These guys should win an award for best auto review channel.

@abandonedhope2606

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I hate reading or watching reviews. They dont even mention the hp and torque sometime as in skip the bs and base info right in handling, chassis, real features.

@usmannoor6428

2 жыл бұрын

Yeap agreed!

@TineEdong

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@turbojojol

2 жыл бұрын

I love Hondas as well🤗🤗

@mattdouglas8900

2 жыл бұрын

As the 69th like of this comment, I agree

Im sure I wasnt the only one who ended up taking much longer to watch this video as I was constantly pausing during the Technical Changes section to read and geek out on all the technical goodness haha! Love all the detailed information you guys provide on the changes (but maybe slow down the slides?). Seems like the new Si is a solid improvement on the previous one w all the small but substantial as a whole changes to the chassis, engine, drivetain, etc. I can see those not in the know or not looking further past the numbers just seeing its down 5hp and scoffing at the new Si, but its all about the area under the curve and having torque come on earlier and being able to use more of the power up top rather than just a sharp peak, I can see the new Si being noticeably quicker side by side.

@Yathuprem

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@Hanschepu

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I really really DISLIKE about the new Si is that they lost the adaptive dampers/suspension. I guess in favor of giving another advantage to the Integra, but last gen Si came with adaptive suspension which was Amazing, especially for the price. All in All, it's a trade-off and not a solid upgrade overall imo, at least this one is better looking from the front and side profile, rear end screams Volkswagen tho and pretty much liked the older gen rear end.

@danp8309

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the importance of the powerband but there is NO excuse for it making LESS power. I love the Civic Si but at this point it’s getting quite expensive for the amount of power you get.

@splak_5624

2 жыл бұрын

this is youtube, press the pause button lmao

@revvolutions

2 жыл бұрын

es muy deliciouso

I see that you left Teriyaki Boyz on after testing the drift mode: Rear wheels on cafeteria plates with handbrake on. You sir are a true journalist and wish my wife would chose you over her Tennis instructor.

@The_Clint_Beastwood

2 жыл бұрын

I let out a pretty loud "ha - nice" when I saw that :P

@jwazftw4200

2 жыл бұрын

What a strange comment. Love it.

@The_Clint_Beastwood

2 жыл бұрын

you always have to look for weird backgrounds stuff in savagegeese videos lol, the song on the stereo, a message on a phone, etc. so good

SG: we only have it for 4 hours so it'll be a quick drive. Vid ends up being 14min long & very informative. This is why I love this channel. Keep it up guys 👍

Think we can hear more comparison between this and the 10th gen si? I’m glad they put the new flywheel in and added the auto rev match. Really hope Honda can keep the Si alive into the future, updates like these bode well IMO

@mistamaog

2 жыл бұрын

This is likely the last gen Si with a manual

@Jetamis

2 жыл бұрын

ososik has a drag race video of the two

@markgaudreau8053

2 жыл бұрын

the transmission is the weak link

@RCXDerp

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinhedrick2906 I think he means clutch

@maximus9401

2 жыл бұрын

If you're interested, there's a youtuber who bought a 11th gen Si before the journalists got to release their videos. He raced a 10th gen. 11th gen is slightly slower. Progress

The United States and Canada have different product planning. Some of these decisions are based on internal budgeting and margins. Also keep in mind from a product planning perspective they have to try to keep it fresh over the course of five years which gives them something to add later on.

@RandomlnternetGuy

2 жыл бұрын

I think all the Canadian features are left for the US Integra. They need people to be able to twll the difference.

@sashayav5061

2 жыл бұрын

Keeping it fresh by nickel and dimming customers.

@psewgobind

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of 10th Si, since I drive the Base LX with 6MT and think it's a better car (Canadian model). However, this 11th Si seems to have potential since it behaves like my K20C2 at higher rpms. Sadly, 11th significant improvements to chassis and suspension isn't enough to overcome 10th lightness (about 2700 with rpf1 rims and no spare). I suspect all talents that secretly tuned 10th base Sedan, is now focused on 11th Si.

@tom11zz884

2 жыл бұрын

Hogwash. No reason for the Canadian model to have the heated seats and US version doesn't. Honda USA just don't want it competing with the upcoming Integra.

@psewgobind

2 жыл бұрын

@@tom11zz884 My base 10th gen Civic LX Sedan has heated seat... It does get cold up here.

When all the videos drop at the same time I know Geese Boi is the only one I need to watch. The production and content is so consistently excellent. This channel deserves 3 million subscribers.

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

Why sell them short? 10 million !

I asked my local dealer about one. They want $5,000 over MSRP. Hard pass.

@waynemangan9925

2 жыл бұрын

Thats Elantra N money!

@sleeksilver

2 жыл бұрын

@@waynemangan9925 Elantra N will also be marked up over $5k.

@ComeOnPelican91

2 жыл бұрын

Bid enflation

@parissmith5727

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComeOnPelican91 Stealth dissent. I like it!

@andrewgarcia3136

2 жыл бұрын

This decade is a massive scam on everything and everyone

I daily drive a 2014 Honda Civic SI Coupe. I only paid 11grand for it 2 years ago!!!! best car I've ever owned!

@edmeyer4800

2 жыл бұрын

The last of the real Civic

@didafm

2 жыл бұрын

@@edmeyer4800 well the 10th gen type r are real nice to

It is a literal event for me when you guys upload a video. As soon as I see the notification I sit down with a cup of coffee and relax while I absorb all the information you spoon feed me. You are the best Mr. Savagegeese.

Funny thing, the Si in Canada gets wireless charging, heated seats, heated steering wheel, the full digital cluster and more for about $1000 less than the US model.

@lastpally

2 жыл бұрын

Heated front and REAR seats and fog lights

@RotaryLover

2 жыл бұрын

@@lastpally Forgot to mention that! Thanks for adding more details.

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

Yep we’ve all heard this 10000x

@DHeld

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah , but then you have to live in Canada 🇨🇦 🤷‍♂️

worth pointing out that the Canadian Si costs less than the US one and features all of the premium features (heated seats and steering wheel, full digital dash, etc) that the US Si lacks

@Wallstreetavarice

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFT-bp8zk no value in pointing out car purchasing details in a video reviewing a car for interested buyers.....right....

@Vin-fu1rm

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody cares tbh

@iHaveTheDocuments

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFT-bp8zk You getting triggered over his comment shows me it was an important issue.

It annoys me that the Canadian version gets the adjustable dampers, heated seats, and full digital instruments for less. Honda pricing has gotten ridiculous. Not sure why I'd get this over a GLI.

@mrbookends

2 жыл бұрын

Should have scrolled through the comments before I posted about this myself!

@kevinnorris6558

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the Canadian version also come with a heated steering wheel and fog lights? US customers got screwed even more this generation compared to last gen.

@LearnAboutFlow

2 жыл бұрын

Um, not sure why you would get a GLI over anything else. VW has the worst reliability and the worst dealers.

@Shorty15c4007

2 жыл бұрын

Japanese Reliability

@sergeysmelnik

2 жыл бұрын

The reliability on the gli is not bad, supposedly it is above average. Also the 2.0t has been around for a while and is probably no less reliable than hondas 1.5t. Id only buy the honda if I was keeping it passed 100k or more miles. I only keep my cars for a few years so Id go for a gli or gti and tune it.

Just bought a 22 civic si in the Canadian market and am very happy with it. I traded in my 2020 si to take advantage of the current used market. Although passive the suspension has greater body control and the shifter is far better than the 10th gen. engine tuning is more progressive and pulls hard all the way to cutoff. It feels more powerful which is borne out by the aftermarket dyno runs ie. hondata showing hp above 220.

Thank god Honda went away from the overstyling and fake plastic air vents. Finally looks like a car an adult would drive.

@williambellisIII

2 жыл бұрын

Last I checked, the average age of Type R owners was 37 or 38. Some of us don’t care what other people think.

As a previous 10th Gen Si owner who modified his car to great lengths with better braking, chassis, suspension, drivetrain and power upgrades, I'm happy to see Honda made the new Si that much better so the average enthusiast won't need to go to such great lengths to eliminate "flaws" (i.e. weak clutch, numb steering, tinny exhaust) and only see improvements after quite a long list of modifications. I've sold the Si and now enjoying my 10th Gen Type R, which extra power aside took care of a lot of the Si's flaws, and doesn't need as many modifications to get me feeling excited about the driving experience. However, as the owner of Unity Performance, a shop dedicated to 10th Gen Civic performance, and shortly the 11th Gen I will continue to modify and test my cars extensively to see where I can make improvements without sacrificing the daily driveability of Honda's out-of-the-box product :)

@rawalqayyum5128

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, did you encounter any issues with the clutch when you were adding power to the SI? The main thing that pulled me off from the 10th gen was the aesthetic. This 11th gen looks so much cleaner, but nobody's mentioning the clutch on this one

@historymjh

2 жыл бұрын

I think I've seen your posts on the CivicX board, they are very helpful! I need to go back and search through what you've said about clutch recommendations. I'm thinking of tuning my 2020, (but no other mods), I'd want a clutch that feels closest to stock (which I like) but still can handle the additional power.

@humzai9885

2 жыл бұрын

@@rawalqayyum5128 we'll find out in 2-3 months how the new Si's clutch holds up to additional power, I have a feeling the clutch disc will be stronger as that was a huge concern when modifying the 17-20 Si. I experienced clutch slip in mine after a few power adders, and added an ACT Clutch with 17lbs Single Mass Flywheel... totally chances the driving experience, losing 15lbs of inertia did wonders for the car's response!

@humzai9885

2 жыл бұрын

@@historymjh that would be me 😊 For the closest to stock feel I would say Competition Clutch Stage 2 Kit with 22lbs Flywheel is best. Clutch pedal will be very stiff for the first 6-700 miles, but post-break in it'll be just right for daily use. I've helped quite a few forum members and locals with that kit, I do have two left in stock if you wanted one. Certainly do your research, and feel free to PM me on the forum

@historymjh

2 жыл бұрын

@@humzai9885 Thanks! I've been reading about the Phearable tune for so long (and TSP as well), I've been tempted to take the plunge. But I wouldn't do so without at least a backup plan if I do start having clutch issues.

Gone are the days when the SI was a mildly detuned Type R. Now it's just a mildly upgraded EX.

@jellybiscuit

2 жыл бұрын

Those days never existed.

@basithph8958

2 жыл бұрын

@@jellybiscuit The Si was kinda the American Type R especially the 99-00 6th gen and the 06-10 8th gen since we only got the Integra Type R at the time now with the Civic Type R here in America it’s just better to have the Si as a trim model

@malasoat1

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Si used to be the Type R in the states. We didn't get a true Type R till the 10th gen Civic

@jellybiscuit

2 жыл бұрын

@@basithph8958 re: 6th gen... suspension, brakes, transmission, LSD, motor... "mildly detuned" is a huge understatement.

@basithph8958

2 жыл бұрын

@@jellybiscuit yeah it was literally carried over from the FD2 Type R in Japan So I would say this is like close to a coupe version of the Type R however the Si made about 205 hp while the Type R made 220 hp so I would say mildly detuned

Three months down, 6,800 miles driven. I still love my Si. Practical, sporty and reliable. I’m not going to win any races against a WRX or GTIs and I’m fine with that. Great review, as always.

Nice video. The Si is at the top of my list as I shop for a new car, mostly because it seems easier to live with than other cars in the segment (looking sqaurely at the GTI and its infotainment). Now to actually find an Si in stock at a nearby dealiership - car shopping is a lot more of an ordeal than a couple years ago.

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you'll love your boring "Si"

@AsuraTraitorr

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly if you NEED the 4 doors then get an Si, if not the 86 is the best option. It destroys the SI in every single category .

@MaxSpeedMike

2 жыл бұрын

@@AsuraTraitorr i'm with ya on this

@potatoman50009

2 жыл бұрын

i got a leon cupra, same as a gti. the infotainment really sucks. so much that when i drive another car i am just amazed how simple inputs can be

@samramirez6679

2 жыл бұрын

@@AsuraTraitorr The 86/FRS cars are just too small for me. A little uncomfortable and meant for someone on the smaller side. The Civic is incredibly comfortable for someone 6’5 and taller in my opinion.

Thank you new si, this made my 2020 civic si coupe worth way more to me

Still feel the SI lost a lot of it's character when they went away from the high revving 2.0 & 2.4 NA's. As much as the type r has been an addition to the lineup it's also caused a subtraction for the SI.

@andrewgarcia3136

2 жыл бұрын

I agree but fwiw the days of high revving engines in passenger cars have been numbered since 2005. The EPA just doesn't want them out there

@scottgardner5918

2 жыл бұрын

Does this make my 8th gen si coupe go up in value? Should I quit driving it and get another daily?

@shinobusensui9395

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottgardner5918 yes

@scottgardner5918

2 жыл бұрын

@@shinobusensui9395 nice!

@kurtwashere

2 жыл бұрын

The only performance mod I have on my 8th gen is the CARB legal version of Hondata with the optimized stock tune. It's still slow, but it's a blast to drive because of the high revving engine and overall analog feel. Still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, and with the way everything is going digital/assisted, I don't know that I'll ever sell it.

I was just watching the Canadian review of the Si..... comes with more features (LED lighting, additional gauge cluster options, larger 10" full digital display, etc) and is $1000 cheaper (even after the currency exchange) so that's just a kick in the nuts for no reason?

@youngbrevy

2 жыл бұрын

The Honda Civic was one time the best selling car in Canada. They know Canadians love civics so maybe that could be the reason for all the features.

@jaywhy2016

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngbrevy The Civic was the best selling car in Canada for the last 23 years but as of this year (first quarter of 2021), the Corolla is out selling it, probably due to price. The base price for the 2021 Corolla is $5000 cheaper than the base price of a 2021 Civic. Still, the top 6 vehicles sold in Canada are trucks/SUV. BTW, the best selling car in the US is the Camry

@historymjh

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at the Honda Canada site, you see that they choose to set up the Civic features to be based off the Touring (rather than the EX in the USA) and priced accordingly. In Canada, the Si is the most expensive Civic you can buy. When setting pricing there, they also have to factor in provincial taxes, which I think run in the 13-15 percent range. So it's a bit of apples to oranges situation. Personally I'd love it if the Si was based off the touring here in the USA, but . . .

@Channel21Jaymz

2 жыл бұрын

And their affordable Sport Hatch trim actually comes with a 1.5T.

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

Yea we all know. There are reasons for everything. It’s called product planning. We’ll get all of that in a mid cycle refresh.

Former EP and FG owner. Regardless of specs, anybody picking up an SI will be a very satisfied owner. Honda just makes great cars.

Just last year I was watching this review among others and I had to have this car. Manage to get ahold of the only one that came to my town last year. Paid 33k. They wouldn't budge. That said. It's been a pure joy. Everytime I take it for a ride. Traded my 2021 Accord sport for it. No regrets. One of the best cars I've ever owned.

Not sure I've ever seen a home-page video recommendation and clicked faster than this one. Not because I'm in the market, but because I both love the car's heritage and love the way Savagegeese produces content. It's a match made in heaven.

I think the new civic is a great car, I have a 2020 Si and I really love the heated seats and the dual auto climate which the new one doesn't have. I think a lot of people are right, with the integra entering the market they started stripping the Si so it didn't compete directly.

@papa_pt

2 жыл бұрын

they stripped it while making it $2k more. No longer the huge bargain it used to be around 26k

@suiton20

2 жыл бұрын

@@papa_pt I bought one back 2017 it was in the 24k range and had all touring features except leather and navigation. I think Honda is trying to increase sales on the touring this time around where it was more or less of a ripoff in the 10th gen or encourage integra sales

@velocitywot9573

2 жыл бұрын

they put all the new features like that on the 2022 Canadian si model. We get shafted here in the states.

@maxk1273

2 жыл бұрын

@@velocitywot9573 to be fair, we're all getting paid in funny money. a job that pays US$50k in the States will likely pay CA$50k in Canada, except the Canadian dollar is worth US$0.78 so we have less buying power. use your freedom bucks and get the Integra!

@2010ngojo

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxk1273 The Canadian si is cheaper with direct currency conversion. You would have more buying power in this case.

Merry Christmas guys. I won’t even look at a car until I watch one of your reviews. They are the best. Thank you

Drove a last gen sport when picking a car for my 16 year old (now 18) and was really impressed with steering feel vs. all the competition. With all the mentioned improvements I kind of want one of these for myself.

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

The Mazda 3 steering is even better

@meh-87

2 жыл бұрын

@@2004cyrus Can't fit in it 🙁 6'4"

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

@@meh-87 I am 6’5” and fit okay. So does my dad. Have you already tried?

I looked up the designers of this Civic. It's a Japanese team. Thank you Honda for giving the design control to a Japanese team. Nothing can beat the master piece that was the 4th generation but this one comes close.

@kasio22B

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad their Acura division is designed by American here in California. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it's just not the same anymore.

@ottbee6976

2 жыл бұрын

@@kasio22B The entire Acura brand was created for North America. They created some excellent cars such as the 2nd and 3rd gen Integra, the Legend and of course the NSX. All Japanese designed. They kinda lost the plot when designs started to come out of North America. I'm not saying that NA designs are bad. I'm just saying that we love Japanese cars for their Japanese designs and we love American cars for their American designs. Why mix the paints and get beige.

@kasio22B

2 жыл бұрын

Looking back, Acura has lost their mojo after 08'. The rise of the wired and huge beak-it's evolution of the xenomorph...

I think this new Si looks damn good all around! Would love to drive one someday.

@cheesecurd100s

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's just me but the front end is fugly

I really like the interior look of the new Civic. If I were to have enough money for a new car in a few years, this Civic Si might be it.

Man such a great looking car compared fron last gen. It's a shame they ginped the US market out of features and not having a handbrake is a buzzkill

@Wheeliethai

2 жыл бұрын

it hasn't had a handbrake since 2016 you get used to it.

@gwot

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wheeliethai it's not about getting used to... it's about not able to slide the rear wheels.

@BESTNOODLEREVIEWS

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwot gotta go old school, bring out the McDonald's food trays lol

@v8_sami

2 жыл бұрын

@@BESTNOODLEREVIEWS rofl ahh the nostalgia

@ryanb8736

2 жыл бұрын

@@BESTNOODLEREVIEWS bring back the cassette tapes too.

So let me get this straight...they removed fog lights, dual climate control, heated seats, adaptive dampers, reduced horsepower and increased the price...? Wow, what's not to love.

I will say the new gen civic looks very good in person. My neighbor got a red one with black wheels a while back and I was very impressed just looking at it parked. I think it’s way better looking than the previous gen

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

You look impressive in that pic

@milli2385

2 жыл бұрын

@@2004cyrus thank you

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

@@milli2385 very welcome!

@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx

2 жыл бұрын

@@2004cyrus I agree

You guys deserve a JD POWER! award of some sorts

Best auto reviews period. I've been able to research so many cars that I've purchased. Keep up the good work guys.

Sadly the Canadian version is a more complete version than what we get in the US.

@morstyrannis1951

2 жыл бұрын

We add heated front and rear seats. 'Cause it can get cold here, eh? What are the other differences?

@BryanW916

2 жыл бұрын

@@morstyrannis1951 heated steering wheel, full LCD display, fog lights, integrated turn signals in the mirrors and it’s STILL cheaper than the US version when converting CAD to USD

@alexc7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryanW916 wireless charger and dedicated shift light too

@johnu2008

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexc7864 don't forget the heated side view mirrors, auto dimming rear view mirror, integrated home link for garage doors, parking sensors, and dual climate control... To top off the BS the 10th generation has the Dual climate control, Heated seats at least in the front, heated mirrors, and electronic adjustable dampers. Its very disappointing the more you look at it.

@alexc7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnu2008 Canada really just gets the Si Touring 😭

To late my brother. Tried to buy a fully loaded sport hatch here in Georgia Every dealership charged up to $10,000 over MRSP. Freaking people. So I'm almost sure the Si and type R will be a UN-lubricated event.

@volt6008

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch, greedy people eh

Axing the heated seats, in something that is intended to be an everyday driver vehicle, at nearly $30k is a huge WTF move. It might not matter to those in warmer climates, but for those of us living up north, it can make it a tougher sell, especially once you’ve owned a vehicle with them and used them daily for 6+ months out of the year.

@skyiswomb1

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. That should be standard now for sure, especially on an SI trim…

@ijm0711

2 жыл бұрын

@@skyiswomb1 Hell, they’re in lower trim Civics. Don’t re-use the same engine from the previous Si, bushings from the previous Type R, remove the adjustable dampers and heated seats, and then charge $2.5k more than the last generation. You want to omit heated seats on a track-focused car like the Type R? I guess, go ahead. But on a car intended to be daily driven every day, that’s costs nearly $30k? GTFO.

This car has performance in its DNA

Mark launching the Civic like its 2000 all over again 🤣🤣🤣

Such enjoyable viewing, love that you include the actual changes from generations and trim levels. It’s just a shame Australia doesn’t get manual civics and hasn’t received the SI trim level forever. Honda Australia need to take their head for a sh!t and get this car here.

im always worried your channel will become a commercial for cars.. but im glad ya'll are keeping it real!

Makes me miss my first car the 1990 Honda CRXsi. I’d love to get one even though I’m over 50. Seems like a great deal and looks better than the new Integra.

Very nice and fair review, as always. After all the crap i've been reading on social media about the Integra and SI it's just a relief to finally look at people having a neutral opinion and appreciate the car for what it is. I just love you guys, top quality video production, script, in dept look about the engineering that goes into the car a little bit of comedy here and there.

Would love to see a comparison with the 2022 Si and the 2022 GR86/BRZ for the young enthusiast considering their future car

@wayward03

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine it'll depend on needing to only have one car (space, price) and how much you want rwd. I'm in the same boat but less young enthusiasts and more recovering from 3 kids financially and not waiting til I'm 55 to buy a vette. The original brz is the only car I regret selling.

@champion5545

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayward03 Yeah, I meant more in terms of comparing just the driving dynamics and performance, as well as ride quality.

@mikekeller5202

2 жыл бұрын

They’re not really comparable. That’d be rwd vs fwd, coupe vs sedan, turbo vs na, etc

@champion5545

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikekeller5202 Sure they are, they're in the same price bracket and are targeted at that young enthusiast audience, more of a driver's car. I'd throw the GTI in the mix too, but I'm not a fan of the MK8 design wise

This one is much better looking than the previous one. Inside and out

Integrated led side mirrors, wireless cell phone charger, full digital display with shift lights, heat steering wheel, front seats and rear seats, more customizable display options, fog lights and more in the Canadian Si version. Ends up being cheaper with all the features than the American SI without. Americans got burned on the 2022 SI

Si and Bronco in the same week. The Teriyaki boyz have been busy

Thank-you for providing intelligent and engaging auto reviews. I appreciate your candor and contextual criticism. Keep driving like an as whole. Life is short.

Have mine for 5 months and have only 3500k miles and i have not had not one complaint as a daily driver.

I'm sure it handles great but the average comsumer probably cares more about the more powerful engines in Elantra N and Mazda 3 Turbo.

Thanks for the early review of this Integra lol

Yes, I would buy this car even though it would have been preferable to me in lift back form. It’s all the car I need and what my budget would allow.

Thanks, They should offer the SI on the 5-door hatchback! That would be my choice. I owned a 90 Civic SI 3-door hatch and it's still my favorite car.

The mild hp rating shows confidence on Hondas part. They aren’t chasing attention grabbing power figures in a FWD car like 265 hp (example old Mazdaspeed 3, Focus ST were peaky w/torque steer). It’s dynamically balanced with just enough power.

I feel like they took away a lot of the features like heated seats so people would buy the Acura version. Just not sure why Canada gets those features though.

@lukewalker1051

2 жыл бұрын

Because if you live in Canada, nobody buys a new car without heated seats.

@effa114

2 жыл бұрын

Because even in the most southerly parts of our country it’s cold AF.

@s2knorth153

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukewalker1051 Amen to that, and heated steering wheel is a must have as well!!!!

@alankingchiu

2 жыл бұрын

Because we need heated seats and steering wheel when it's -40 outside.

@John-vh1fk

2 жыл бұрын

@@alankingchiu I understand that but why Canadians get more for less money doesn’t make sense.

All the dealers near me are adding a $8k markup. Fun stuff. Honda dealers have been awful with this lately. Funnily enough, all the VW dealerships are selling the new GTIs at MSRP.

@dougrobinson8602

2 жыл бұрын

Honda really thinks their doodie doesn't stink. Then there's the 'Earth Dreams' engine. SMH.

@ramk2443

2 жыл бұрын

In current market GTI is far better than civic si

@The_Noticer.

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramk2443 it is. It is also dual injected, so no carbon fouling on the valves in the long run..

@joe718gt4

2 жыл бұрын

I would put up with the awful infotainment for MSRP

@jdipietronh

2 жыл бұрын

That depends on the dealer. GTIs are getting dealer markups in some locations. Seems to be about 50/50 right now.

Solid review / break down as always. Savagegeese continues to be the best automotive review channel on YT, period.

I love the song you guys have choose to show on the infotainment lol. 🤣

Savage dismisses the features missing: Canadian Si enters the chat. American buyers: RAGE!!!!!!! when they see that on a dollar conversion, the Canadian Si is less expensive and gets all the Touring toys.

Love the car, but Honda’s 1.5L Turbo was notorious for oil dilution and carbon buildup. I’m sure it’s a fun car to drive, but for now, I’m not taking a chance on it until I see how it does for others over time.

@MaddNomad1015

2 жыл бұрын

That was from people not letting their engine warm up properly I believe.

@The_Noticer.

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaddNomad1015 GDI Turboengines will always do this.

@drivedb7

2 жыл бұрын

IIRC, Honda’s “fix” for that issue was extending the warranty and offering a software update for a handful of “cold weather” states. The current Honda is not the Honda of old. They’re more of a Japanese VW at this point.

@justtwoseats

2 жыл бұрын

@@drivedb7 Eh, they did the same thing a decade ago for the Insight which was experiencing battery problems. It's certainly not a new thing.

@drivedb7

2 жыл бұрын

@@justtwoseats - Agreed. Honda’s fall from grace is not a new thing. They haven’t built a really “good” car in 15 years or so.

Savage Geese reviews are on another level. They are insightful, quality videos that truly inform decision making when buying a car. Thank you. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed.

I love how much you guys love cars. Really nice review 👌

I really like the rear styling of the Civic Si. Finally true dual exhaust tips. I’ve seen many on the roads, I’m not that impressed with the front fascia. It would be nice if they made it different from the regular Civic.

@wayward03

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that front end looked better on the accord than the civic but it's still better than the last gen. The civic honestly has been ugly more times than not IMHO.

I've never seen a car get so many reviews in different trim levels

@2004cyrus

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s great because they are all different

@ccoedo808

2 жыл бұрын

@@2004cyrus I get that and not to undermine Honda but there are car manufacturers that launch more popular models and the differences are more mechanical than the "upholstery with red stitching"

I find it amazing that you think this new one is substantially better than the old. I owned a 19 Si and that thing did not wallow about and was extremely rigid and planted in sport mode, yet felt like a WRX in normal mode. I'm so absolutely shocked by your take that I looked up the measured performance to see this "50%" better you quoted. The X outperformed the new 11th gen in average g force on the skidpad, a had a faster figure eight, better braking, faster quarter mile time, and was quicker to 60 than the new Xi Si. . For me, the X was an excellent car. Great gas mileage, fairly comfortable, and wasn't expensive. In fact, I got more for trading it in 2 years later than I did buying it. Personally, I think the X's front end and gauges are way better while the dash and rear end of the Xi look way better. Though, those red seats are horrific. Sure does look like the new Si, which is lighter than the old, has lost 5hp considering it's slower. . It's kind of funny how I went from a car I drove 80-85mph everywhere to a truck that I'm happy cruising at 65-75mph in.

like the top-of-the dash/instrument panel, and the driver point-of-view camera mountings.

Anyone in the US who buys this Si is part of the problem. Just look up what all Canadia got EXTRA for 2k LESS than what they're making the suckers pay in the US. I'm done with Honda.

@andrewgarcia3136

2 жыл бұрын

While you aren't wrong, I don't think there is a better sedan to be had in that segment

@mjbakedbeans

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgarcia3136 the Jetta gli is a competitor, having more power and more features although I think it’s uglier

@mjbakedbeans

2 жыл бұрын

Honda and Acura Canadian cars usually have more stuff just not as big of a difference as this civic si

@mistamaog

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjbakedbeans The GLI costs noticeably more, but the GTI is closer in price.

When I first saw one of these from the side I thought it was an A4! Honda really grew up and I’m proud of them. Too bad it’s only offered with a turbocharged direct injection engine. You now these things aren’t going to last as long as Civic Si’s from the past. My 2008 Civic Si Sedan has over 164K on the clock. I’m the original owner too. My starter motor went at 146K, my alternator went at 162K and that’s it, I’m still on the original clutch. Port injection and naturally aspirated will always supersede anything. Good news is Honda offers a Civic with a manual, Port injection and a NA engine, but it’s the base Sport model.

@ds4390

2 жыл бұрын

Saying it looks like an a4 is not a compliment.

@matts6551

2 жыл бұрын

@@ds4390 - what a well articulated reply

@ds4390

2 жыл бұрын

@@matts6551 I'm sorry you can't read.

Diggin that color & intro music

Awesome review and awesome car. Many people drive these cars and forget they aren't track cars rather than what they are, fun everyday driving cars. Yes some in class offers more hp, or more expensive looking interiors, etc...but, the Honda products will outlast and also age better. Plus, Honda in F1 racing 🏎 and manufacturer with more racing division than any other manufacturer speaks volumes, plus robotics, hondajet, motorcycles 🏍, lawnmower and various products including boats, off road ATVs, etc...people that say negative about Honda, really have no clues...like, they only see top of iceberg, but so much more that they don't see.

Personally I am glad they made the Si a sedan and not the 4-door hatchback. I completely understand from the practicality aspect why someone would want a hatchback variant, but I think the 4-door hatchback rear end styling that Honda has been doing just doesn't look as good as the sedan. It makes them look more like mini crossovers, with the new Integra being a good example.

@ifarhani

2 жыл бұрын

You have to see it in person. I thought it looked a little soft from the back in videos and pictures, but In person it’s low and wide. Looks really good, especially in boost blue.

I really love how this thing looks.

that's a proper dash design that is

I hope I get to drive one of these. The Sport Touring is a wonderful car that drives great and this looks to be even better.

Hey guys, really like the channel and content. You guys put a lot of effort into producing content on, often I’m guessing, vehicles that market demands require you to review, but perhaps you don’t love *cough* generic suvs *cough* appreciate the effort and acknowledge the frustration. Just wondering what cars you’ve been genuinely excited about/ enjoyed your time with this past year?

@jackholmes8105

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. 992 gt3(video comes out friday), gr86, 992 turbo, mk8 golf r, regular civic hatch are some stand outs at the top of my mind.

I wish I could option out the red accents for black leather similarly to how the Camry has V6 trims above the TRD. I love the SI upgrades, but as a professional I can’t justify all of the “sporty” accents.

@sergeysmelnik

2 жыл бұрын

Well they gotta add a little rice somewhere

Another reason this car feels more responsive is the fact it has a true ram air intake like the type r. Instead of the 10th gen having the intake sucking hot engine bay air, the 11th is pulling cold air from the front grille area. That constant air volume being forced into the intake makes a huge difference.

Freakin love the driver! No BS kinda dude! Great review! I’m getting one!

I would much rather have this than the new GTI. Unlike the VW, it has a real interior with physical knobs and switchgear.

@anthonyfarnan5935

2 жыл бұрын

Just get a low mile mk 7.5 GTI 🤷‍♂️

@haze1123

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyfarnan5935 That would be good, too. I do love the GTI.

@matts6551

2 жыл бұрын

Either way you’ll still end up with carbon buildup and have to blast your engine with walnut shells. I think I’ll stick with my 08 Si with port injection and not worry about that nonsense

While I think this Civic looks better than the previous gen, it seems very "Accord". Also it looks as big as a previous gen Accord. Is that a thing?

@parissmith5727

2 жыл бұрын

It is. Hondas have gotten fatter along with the competition. The new "Integra" is a behemoth compared to the Integras of yester year

@gwot

2 жыл бұрын

cars are getting bigger partially due to structural safety, doors have to be thicker to accommodate thicker rebars in the doors and thicker pillars, and to have more impact movement room inside the cabin so it doesn't hit the passengers immediately. Also CUV/SUV are the most popular, they have to increase interior room in the smaller cars in order to still sell some.

@parissmith5727

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwot These new regulations and restrictions for safety need to be lessened for certain designations of vehicles. The rich get whatever they want, whenever they want for "display purposes," so us peasants should be able to at least buy kei cars and such.

@gwot

2 жыл бұрын

@@parissmith5727 so what you're saying is... the safety of a car corelates to the price of the vehicle? so you're only as safe as you can afford? Imagine the backlash a manufacturer gets when the cheaper trim is less structurally safe. I guess that does happen in the real world though... some models you can add safety packages for auto braking and more airbags. If you want a kei Honda, get a fit instead of a civic?

@parissmith5727

2 жыл бұрын

@@gwot No, what I'm saying is the upper crust can avoid restrictions and regulations with expensive exemptions. Actual museums do too, granted, but the elite skirt regulations just because. What I personally want is a separate vehicle designation for the makes and models that we don't get in the USA, day one. So no more 25 year rule (the rich don't have to wait), but I'm content falling under a different tax bracket for a "less safe" vehicle. The entire regulatory structure doesn't make any sense to begin with; Smart cars are allowed for "reasons" but we can't have the S660, Jimny, or Suzuki Swift?

About two weeks ago we were staying at the Westlake Village Inn, in Westlake Village, CA, and about 20 or 30 of these were parked at the hotel. Cool Civics, and knew that something like this was probably going on…must have been fun.

I test drove a 15 SI and I loved it. I can only imagine how nice the new one is.

definitely the best versions were the K20z3 and K24Z7.

Coupe version would have looked cool with the new style…

Mark reminds me of my senior manager at work, not only is he a middle aged bald man with glasses, but very knowledgeable in his trade while being a straight talker with a few f bombs now and then

I've owned a 1984 CRX, 1986 Civic SI, 1989 Civic SI and a 1992 Civic SI. That's when they cost about $13,000. They were a blast to drive. Which I had kept the 1992 Civic SI.

The 1.5 liter is a deal breaker. I love everything else about it though. Bummer.

Lovely car, I'm still sad about the electronic control for the hand brake though :( I'd much rather have a regular handle.

@herrbrahms

2 жыл бұрын

The electronic parking brake adds unnecessary complication while eliminating the ability to modulate braking effort to the in-disc drums. In short, it's bad engineering. But it's trendy.

@marcusvaldes

2 жыл бұрын

GR86 has one.

Beautifully filmed, great audio, and excellent discussion

Today America is lucky they have the si while in Japan only have the hatchback. Here in the Philippines our top spec civic has the si black rims already which is cool. I enjoy watching the video about the si such a quality review.

Great video. I own a tuned 10th Gen. Would you consider this version evolutional and worthy of an upgrade? Saw this at horrendous dealership that marked this up to $38K. Im considering waiting for the Integra or a refreshed version with heated seats.

@vlad1889

2 жыл бұрын

All vehicles from 20-30k got 20-30% mark up right now. It's insane 😳

@maximus9401

2 жыл бұрын

Not worth it to upgrade. 11th gen has some missing features, some additional features. It's a wash. And it's slower slightly. The price increase is not worth it

Cali canyons. SG muscling in on Smoking Tire's territory. Begun the Geese Wars has.

Subscribed! The format of this video is very easy to follow, and I can easily absorb the info you guys are throwing at me. Thanks for this video!

Incredible video as always. Any opinion on this versus the sport touring hatch manual?

Sad about no heated seats. Seeing as it's the same engine as the previous gen, as well as a single mass flywheel, ktuner or Hondata would do wonders to this car. Have a 2017 10th gen and being able to get 260 lb ft and turning off rev hang transformed the car.

@RCXDerp

2 жыл бұрын

my 2020 si still hangs revs even with the ktuner disabling it, its better than stock though. Wonder if the 11th gen flywheel will bolt up.

Does the shifter feel as off-center as it looks? I feel like that would be super noticable.

Underrated channel

Just picked up a Sonic Grey one in NOLA. Love it so far