At minimum the DCT system is a bloody impressive piece of engineering....I'm an engineer so I appreciate it :D After watching this video would you consider even test riding a DCT, leave your opinions at the door and try one? I would have been fine never riding a DCT bike again, but I'm glad I did in the end :) Give Freeman Motorcycles a shout if you want to buy this one or the manual one :) Both great bikes!

@forestmotoadventures

3 жыл бұрын

I’m converted with you! I share my reservations with giving-up some control of the bike. We have “trust issues” with DCT 😂

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad I did ride a newer DCT bike now as I won't bad mouth them and put people off anymore 😂 It's actually properly good now. Yeah I dunno would I ever 100% trust it but I'm like that anyway with most things 😂 A control freak I believe you'd call me 😂

@Trickhorn

3 жыл бұрын

The DCT is luxurious. And very competent on and off road.

@anton-eg1hh

2 жыл бұрын

I was given an Africa Twin 2020 with DCT as a courtesy bike as mine was totaled It took me 5 minutes to get used to the DCT And i like riding gently in low rpm so the bike was in 5th gear at 30 miles/hour And use engine brake all the time But engine braking at low speed is problematic On this bike using the front brake give me a lot more engine braking and intermittent as well at below 15 miles/hour for my braking pattern in the 10 days i had the bike i did not get used to this

You need a half dozen rides to truly understand all the benifits of DCT. When you are coming up to a corner, even in auto you can shift down a gear with manual hand shifter, or up coming out if you like. There are three sport modes that are easily gained, to give you the "spirited" ride you are wanting. My bud was a Baja racer, another a motocross racer and myself Enduro. We all bought DCT and love it. We ride Mountain gravel and two track with 50-50 tires. You get both auto rides and manual with flick of a toggle switch. In traffic, no clutching. On long tours just relax in "Tour mode" chug along and Check out the Rocky Mountains. 10000 km and absolutely love it. I've got 480 km out of a tank with fuel remaining. Try the ES version. If you like DCT, you'll love electronic suspension even more! I absolutely love my 2020 ATASes. Thanks for the review, you just need more seat time off road with this bike in gravel, or dirt mode. You'll really like it. Cheers, 🇨🇦

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's fair, I'd say you need a fair distance to fully gauge any tech. Sadly first impressions videos is all I'll ever likely get to make! Yeah I understand that, but I don't like the hand shifters much to be honest, if I was going to have to change it myself I'd rather a foot shifter. Yeah the modes are very handy, all modern bikes and their modes are very good, I usually end up just leaving it in the least intrusive mode :) 480km is insane! How many litres! :O I have ridden the previous model ES, I much prefer the lighter model, the ES is great but too heavy for my liking. I usually go for smaller more nimble bikes. I love the bike, but I'd have the manual over the DCT still :) I'd absolutely love to take one off road though, either gearbox! :) Thanks!

@billmcmeekin7909

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker 24.9 liters of fuel, the Adventure Sports will hold, of I recall properly. :-)

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great return for that in fairness. I get about 260km out of 18litres on my cbf

Had my DCT for two weeks haven’t driven a bike for 40 years it was on the dealer floor never drove it. I am 75 so the automatic was super helpful to get back into biking I can shift but really enjoy just driving and not worrying about what gear to be an absolutely love it after two weeks. It has adopted my driving slowly on back roads doesn’t go into six gear right away.peace

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's great! That's honestly brilliant to hear you got back to it and are enjoying it :) And I'm glad DCT helped you to do that. I can see a lot of people switching to it tbh once they try it :)

Stumbled across your channel a few weeks back, very underrated channel, your reviews were a major reason for me wanted a CBF1000 as my second bike, purchased my CBF1000 2006 this week. Keep making these awesome videos.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks :) Glad I could help!! Best of luck with the bike! I just did a track day and all on my one :) I will try to :)

I test rode a DCT thinking I wouldn’t like it, but I have now bought one! So impressed. Even traded my Kawasaki H2 SX SE for it.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

A H2 sx!! I'd love a spin on one of those! But I agree, the new DCT was way more impressive than I was expecting

I’m seriously considering going the DCT route in the near future. Most likely by the end of the year. Great video.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

If you want to, do it! I can at least say now that most biking humans won't dislike it, it's a brilliant system :) Thanks!! :)

Outstanding review, thankyou, will help with next bike.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you I'm glad you found it helpful :)

Another great video sir I don't know anything about that bike but looked like u could have some fun on it

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man :) It's a very fun bike! You should try one if you can :)

I've just bought a 2021 AT dct base model. I rode a few ADV bikes, but instantly fell for the dct! Personally I like to blip on a down shift! It was a very difficult decision to make, but the dct won! It's so easy and effortless! I've never done any green laning b4. Some prefer manual, some prefer dct, it's all about your own preference and what the bike is used for!

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

Congrats! Best of luck with it! I'm very happy you like it, like I said I think it's a brilliant technology, I just have never been able to picture myself wanting one over a manual. I ride every day and have never found changing gear to be something I want to get rid of. :) Absolutely agreed though, very much a personal preference thing, the tech is excellent.

I've had a 2018 DCT model for couple of years now and I love it. Really seamless and easy to do a long journey. I still like manual bikes and its not as difficult as I thought it'd be to transition between the two.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

The previous gen I tried was a 2014 as far as I remember and I really didn't like it. Honestly nothing but praise for this I can see why people would buy it. Still not for me, but now it's purely a preference thing rather than a "there's something wrong with it" if you get me. I can see it being very nice on long trips :)

When the decision is that hard it means it's really good.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely, it is really really good! I just prefer manual from a personal point but the tech, excellent.

I love the DCT and I'm buying one in a couple of days. The 2022 version red and black. I'm 270 pounds and I'm glad I watched your first review on the manual. I was worried about the suspension. I know I will need to change it out at some point, but not right away. Thanks for the review, I enjoyed it.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

Ah excellent best of luck with the bike :) Oh yeah it's on the softer side for us larger humans but I hadn't even dialled up preload or anything so you'll be absolutely fine :) Thanks, glad you liked it :)

Thank you for two good videos of AF manual and DCT. Using manual mode in cars with auto boxes can be meningful in some models. Take fx. Mercedes C63 6,2 V8. It is a true joy to be exactly in the right gear and feel the throttle respons that a naturally asperated engine gives you. Super fast when hitting exactly the right revs. Also the engine breaking is immense with the big displacement motor. Something you can't feel when in auto. Sorry for the long read and not even about bikes! Again thank you for your content. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Can you see my previous reply or has it deleted itself?

I’d consider Test riding a DCT but man, my escape is shifting through the gears. Like you say tho, it’s a modern marvel we are to a spot with automatic transmission in motorbikes, I’m just not there yet. Cheers brother, great job in the review and digging the extra camera placement.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I would still buy a manual over a DCT myself but honestly man get your ass on a Honda DCT for a test ride. Do it, make the video, I bet the newest gen DCT will surprise you. Thanks man, I'll stay playing around with the 360 but I like that spot myself :)

Didnt realise you had a review of the DCT on the Africa Twin. I am hoping to buy one in the next year or two and this has given me a much better review of the DCT than i have seen anywhere else. Especially for our shit roads, plus, like me you still prefer manual.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

KZread hid it from you :P I do prefer manual, but it was honestly nice getting to experience just how good the modern system is. Mad impressive really.

A couple of my friends purchased the new Honda DCT. Took them a while to not use a clutch, but they do like it now.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I can see why they like it to be honest. A very good system!

I was looking for a bike that would do everything as in commuting,touring and some off road. In 2018 I had put my money down for a Tiger 800, I was dead against the DCT but after a impromptu test ride I just fell in love with it. Mine is the 2018 DCT and some 35k kms later absolutely in love with it. The latest gear box that you have tested is even better since it has a 6 axis imu it enables the DCT to know when you are leaning into a corner so it holds gears. I use the Urban mode for everyday commute considering the traffic and roads in my nick of the woods (india). Off road depending on the terrain I engage the G mode and run the gravel mode, have not faced any issues. More technical trails will require precise input since there is no way to kill the power to the rear, the rear brake is what's used. That will come in time super easy to ride about, and considering its a 1000 cc it generates next to nothing in terms of heat. Absolutely love this bike won't be swapping it out for another 5 to 10 years easy :)

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm still not in love with it and wouldn't personally buy a DCT bike, yet, but it's a bloody brilliant tech now :) The fact it is linked to the 6 axis IMU is why I tried it tbh, the 2014 version I had tried gave me a scare and I didn't trust them at all. Glad you found a bike you properly love anyway, best of luck with it :)

While I really appreciate the engineering a bike gives me a more visceral feeling than a car. Your out in the open and for me a huge part of that feeling is being responsible for what the bike is doing if that makes sense. So shifting gears is a huge part of that. I'm lucky enough to live near some great biking roads and to my mind the dct would take away some of the joy of biking. Great review of both bikes👍

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Makes complete sense :) Like I said at the end I'd still personally take the manual over the DCT. But quite honestly I don't think DCT in sport mode would take anything away from the joy of biking, it changes it most definitely but you enjoy other bits more and can focus on other things. I was a naysayer until I tried this model too :) Thanks!

Nice video. I ended up buying the DCT standard model Africa twin and I love it to death.The only thing I wish they had was a clutch lever just to disengage the clutches entirely and allow it to coast.

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Nice congrats! That's actually a very fair point I hadn't thought of, I'd also love if they gave you a foot shifter as an option instead of the buttons.

@jb1Jedi

Жыл бұрын

@TheGorillaBiker Honda actually does offer a foot lever shifter for the DCT (08U70-MKS-E50) but it's a bit expensive and seems like a pain to install. It really just duplicates the paddle shifter function down at your foot, but if that's easier for you, it makes total sense.

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

@@jb1Jedi well that's good to know at least. I found the buttons horrendously awkward to use naturally so would just default to let the bike do it's thing, which is admittedly very very good in sport mode.

I'm waiting on a manual Africa Twin Adventure Sports now (actually waiting on spring for less snow and ice so I can pick it up). Went with manual because it's what I'm familiar with for off-road riding, and I don't want to mix it up with riding some manual bikes and a DCT off-road; I'm not smart enough to manage that. But for me, if I did have a DCT, the manual mode would be for controlling gears off-road, where a change at the wrong time will cause you to lose your power and momentum up a difficult climb.

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

Ah nice! Congrats on the bike :) I just think that DCT isn't as fun overall and at an extra 1000 or so to buy I really can't see any reason I'd ever go for one. Unless I badly injured my left side or something. Yeah that's a good point, that I can see it'd be useful for.

Me never going back to Manual gearbox. Drive mode . Sport mode 1,2,3. It also has 2 usar mode so you can enjoy both world and the Manual mode yes sometimes 😚. Honda africa twin best bike I ever bought . Its very underrated bike. Anyway thank you for the very informative review 👌👍

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Fair enough :) I'd love to get one, I don't think it's under rated here, people do like them and know they're great, for some reason people here go for the more heavyweight bikes here usually. Glad you enjoyed it :)

Damn it... now I may actually consider a DCT. Thanks!

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

Haha personally like I said at the same end I think manual still reigns supreme, but DCT is a very good tech if you're after something like that :)

@coolhandchunk

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker Would you be happy with the AT1100 for street riding over your old CBF1000? I have second gen CBF1000 and am having a moral dilemma parting with it (it's a great bike).

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

I think I would yes, but I try to ride less spirited on roads these days anyway so a more comfy adv thing with torque for days would be grand. I miss my cbf daily.

Good on ya for trying the DCT. I've heard people talk down about DCT but that's just wrong thinking. It's another technology. Do automatic cars make it easier for most people to drive them? Yes, maybe too easy. Will solid DCT bring more people to motorcycling? I don't know but I hope so. I have spoken with people that don't want to bother to learn shifting on a motorcycle and that's okay. I prefer manual on my cars and motorcycles, but I only prefer that as long as I can keep doing it well. Some day I may not be so well suited to shifting as I ride or drive, and then I'll look to DCT or automatic cars. I think it's also important to look at it and understand it so you know how it works and you won't potentially get left in the dust. Of course when EVs come we won't have to worry about transmission shifting and we'll all be just twist and go so let's celebrate what we have now and enjoy it.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'd never turn down a bike test ride :P I'll be honest though after riding the old version I wasn't mad keen on the idea, really glad I did though as this latest version is brilliant. I hope DCT does bring motorcycling to more people and honestly after using this version I'm now happy that it won't put people in bad spots like the old version, will it make it easier for people to ride the bike? Yes. Is that a bad thing once it's doing it's job correctly and safely? No. That's it really, you have to be aware of advancements even if you don't want them, I'm still hoping synthetic fuel takes off tbh :P

I bought that exact bike. It is great.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like your one :)

ive had my Africa Twin DCT since 2017. I would definitely get the dct again. I usually ride mine in drive mode. mine gets about 50 MPG in drive mode.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Ah so the model not linked to the IMU, do you ever find it puts you in the wrong gear or changes gear as you're cornering? So 60 of the UK's mpgs I think that's really really good for a big bike in real life! :)

@BRAMMOTO

3 жыл бұрын

No I have not had any cornering issues. I do not usually ride aggressively, but have with no problem. I have also done some off-roading with it and the fact that you can’t stall it is a benefit. I really enjoy riding it.

DCT all the way.(If I was to buy the Honda.)I have ridden one.Magic fun.For the moment its Quick Shifter for me on my existing bikes.Thks.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I personally much prefer the manual option(quickshifter would be a nice addition tho) DCT is brilliant but I dunno, I just prefer the manualness!

Did u ride the larger ATAS in DCT at all mate ? I’m tossing up between the DCT in either the base model or the larger ATAS. Any thoughts ?

@TheGorillaBiker

8 ай бұрын

i never rode the ATAS in DCT but I have in manual. The only difference you get on the ATAS is the bigger tank, more weight and a better on road screen from the jump. I also prefer the colours. It really depends on your use case, if it's primarily on road - ATAS, off road - base model imo.

What are you not getting Sir? It is a manual too, 1 second switch and you are in a manual mode. Did you actually familiarize yourself with the technical aspects of the bike? Instead of your foot you use you fingers, a lot more convenient. Other than not understanding the manual function of the bike great review. Thank you.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha I am well aware that DCT is a manual gearbox at its heart. But. And this is important, it works automatically....which makes it automatic. Next time try have a conversation with about 5000% less aggression bud.

@macwalen

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker just your "I prefer manual" when manual is already there. Not aggressive at all, just be fair to the bike, it already offers what you asked for, like complaining about a car with paddle shifting at it's steering wheel because it doesn't have a gear stick Sir.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I do prefer manual. In the classic sense, with a clutch and my foot. If you want to argue semantics you can but it was very clear what I meant in the video. At no point did I denigrate the technology for the sake of it. It's good tech, I just prefer changing gears with my foot and a clutch. Changing gears by pressing a button also isn't manual technically. It's semi auto. Also....saying you prefer a gear stick over paddle shift is a completly legitimate preference and statement to make. You came across very aggressive bud. Read your very first sentence. I have no issue debating opposing points of view with someone who approaches it in a reasonable manner. I'm no Sir.

I've had filling stations in the UK not turn the fuel pump on if I'm sat on the bike. My first reaction to DCT is no no no, but I would have to have a really long test ride. Smooth two up touring it looks good. I admire the Honda engineering but I do enjoy using a manual gearbox, its part of the skills of riding.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that used to happen a lot more here, they havent really a leg to stand on anymore tho since everyone is masked these days so no one knows who anyone is :D I was the same, even after riding that other model....but this one, honestly impressive what they've done. Get a test ride on one. Seriously impressive. I'm the the same boat really, massively impressed with what they've done, but I'd still have a manual.

@Banditmanuk

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker The fuel stations, think it was BP or Shell told us to get off because of the fire risk. They said if we spilt fuel and it ignited on the hot engine that we were more at risk being sat on the bike. I argued I could get my tank more full upright but they were having non of it. Comply or leave.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's a fairly weak argument really. It makes some kind of sense but in reality you'd fairly be in bother either way. Sure look. The whole reserve the right to serve you thing comes in to play there eh.

Another great video, the big question would you recommend a dct for beginners?

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks :) If you just want a bike and aren't concerned about learning manual gears, absolutely. It's a brilliant system and probably is better at gears than I am at this point, it'd take a large chunk of the initial learning curve out of bike riding. But if you ever want to track a bike etc, then get a manual first :) Horses for courses I suppose :)

@paulieboscobyrne7548

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker really thinking of between vulcan s 650 or rebel 1100 and keep it in rain for few months

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest if you do end up going for DCT youll be grand, just leave it in regular drive mode and take it handy on the throttle, if you go manual rain mode is a good plan too :) Either way, just take it handy on the throttle and give yourself plenty of space and time and you'll be laughing

I would like DCT also easy here in crazy busy traffic

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

It's a good system! Personally even with traffic I'd still have manual for now, DCT is a great tech tho! I'm glad it's available for people

I'm just curious as you mention sport mode but not if you used S1 2 or 3, which sport mode was it in that you liked. I generally use S1 when I'm feeling lazy, S2 when normal riding and S3 when I want all the fun..

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I actually had to check that one afterwards. I believe it was in S3 all of the time. Maybe that's why it was so much fun :D

Yes, unbelievable - it is priced here in Finland as 22500eur... And we live in the "common Market" EU... Been waiting for a hand-operated/automatic transmission to be offered to clients for some time. Maybe not for me, at least for now, but I could think there is some use for it.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow that is crazy expensive! Is that for the base model? How much is the Adventure model :O There is definitely use for it, some people just don't like to or want to change gear, definitely not for me either at this point in my life but it is a great technology :)

DCT is awesome - you will LOVE the foot gear lever as an option …

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

It's good for sure, but not for me currently! I'd happily try one with the foot gear lever but I don't think it'd make me want to buy a DCT.

So giving the D in urban. One thing worth notice I do believe electric motors do not have a gearing system fully depending on the torque generated by the cells. I may be wrong. Honestly I have not tried an electric bike, would love to do so, however, I do not feel like testing a bike without a "manual" gearbox xD I do get the idea that you where enjoying it and even considered a auto car.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yes 😂 No most don't it's just a direct drive motor, you can gear them or have them as a sort of CVT etc but most are just a single powerful motor. I'm telling you, test ride a Dct if you can, I still wouldn't buy one over a manual bike, I like manual bikes it's part of the experience for me, but it's impressive technology :) Ah cars are ruined here for me tbh. Very expensive to even own nice fast ones so I'll just stick to my bikes :)

I'm not quite ready to go auto on bikes, it is one of the things that puts me off electric bikes. As a tourer, I may consider it, especially one with cruise control, but not for an adv bike where you may want to get in the mud

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Me neither. I'm actually more ok with it on electric bikes because it doesn't make sense from them to have gears. That's understandable, honestly I don't think I'd ever buy one over a manual unless I was old and broken buuuuut the tech is now actually really really good. Which is cool, cus I'm a nerd :D

@HippoDrones

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker It is something that I think will take a bit of learning when switching to electric bikes, even on the road I use the clutch as a means to control the power applied through the throttle, and 100% rely on doing so on more gnarly off road sections to get up them!

Like you I have always been a sceptic. If, heaven forbid, I was to buy a Wing then yes it makes perfect sense. But to pay more money for the machine to do something I enjoy doing myself, and have spent years perfecting, then no. I always buy Automatic cars. Cars are for me so sleep inducing anyway, even the fast ones, that changing gear is just so irrelevant. Good demonstration of of how it works, indeed how well it works. Funny to see you floundering about it lol. The problem is you like burning petrol and making noise lol. I always think you over drive your bikes on the road. That is why I was so happy to see you get on a track where your natural bent can find its full expression. So what is next ? Whatever it is I look forward to it.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm honestly glad I gave it another chance, if for some reason my left side stopped working so good there's a great, and still fun, option there. But it'd have to be for that reason or like you, a Goldwing. Makes perfect sense on a colossus like that. Cars have honestly been ruined for me here anyway, not only are they fairly boring at the best of times they're over regulated here now and everyone sees anyone who likes them a little louder or faster as an outright hooligan lunatic. So yes, automatic cars all the way for getting shopping or when it's spilling rain. Haha I do, and I definitely over drive them tbh I won't deny it! :) Track videos should start releasing on Sunday if I don't get mad busy for some reason :) I hope you like them! I have a few more bikes coming :D

I would probably get used to it but I really love changing gears.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm the same. Unless I had to I'd be sticking with manual. Brilliant technology tho.

@mikewatson361

3 жыл бұрын

You can always spec the quick shifter for the DCT box, that way you can use your left foot to change gear instead of your left hand, also sport 2 is even more aggressive 👍🏍

I like automatic on a car, not sure if I'd like it on a bike. For me it would a case of "do i really want to buy a bike with all these modes if im only going to use it in sport?" It's clever no doubt, but I think I'd prefer the manual version..

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can't disagree tbh! With modes I've always just used the least restricted one too so far. Agreed, very clever and good tech but like I said at the end I'd have the manual too. I just rather it :)

I have an XR650 that I like to ride on the trail once in a while the trail once in a while my pals have 250s and 400s they can bog through places slowly and I have trouble but on my friends africa twin dct I can and I love it

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's pretty cool to hear that it's capable off road, especially that type of off road :) You'd always be concerned the fancy electronics would have difficulty!

I am seriously not convinced by an auto bike. I enjoy changing gears also.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'd still buy the manual myself too, but the DCT now that's linked to the IMU....man it's bloody good! I'd love to be able to be all smug and say it's not but it really really is :D

DCT in sport mode 2 or 3 is great

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good system in fairness!

dam you ! 5:30am saturday morning after a nightshift and 3 beers later and now i want a bloody Honda ! to be honest i think ive have the dct

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I would say sorry but I do try show people nice bikes :P So....sorry but also definitely get one :D DCT would no longer stop me getting a bike if really liked it tbh! :) Do iiiiiiit :D

The DCT is one of the best things my ATAS 2018 has.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

It's a great technology :) And I'm glad I tried it again after the poor experience I had with an early model. I still personally prefer manual but it is brilliant :)

@madeiraonwheels

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker Yes it's better to try before saying that it's not for me. But believe me it's not one hour test ride that will show you all it's capabilities. I first tried the DCT on a Integra and on a NC750X. When i bought the ATAS with DCT i immediately knew i made the right decision. My advise to all is to test ride the DCT with careful. It is addictive.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I was Out for a lot longer than an hour :) I don't think I'd ever want it tbh over a manual bike, I enjoy changing gears myself :) A quickshifter, yes if like that, but DCT, while it's great, I'd prefer manual :) But that's just me!

I would go with manual although I'm sure the DCT is really good, just not for me.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. It's brilliant, and I'd honestly advise you to test ride one as I think you'd be surprised in a good way, but I'd still pick a manual too :)

At what point, because of all the tech, does it cease to be a motorcycle and become a two wheeled car?

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it'll ever become a two wheeled car tbh. I personally like older, less techy bikes too but there's nothing wrong with the techy stuff too. Each to their own, plus it's like trying to push back the ocean with your hands, unfortunately manufacturer's aren't going to make nice simple bikes again any time soon!

I believe the bike learns how you ride as to when it should change gear!?

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

Apparently so in D mode, the S modes are different, which is probably why I preferred S. But, I still didn't like how it changed gear in comparison to me changing gear.

@terrystratford1235

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker alot of dct owners say s1 or s2 is best! Manual mode for off road! Don't forget to long left on tc and wheelie control, that turns it off, so u can hill climb!

You can put a Honda foot shifter on it for the old model it was 370€ and the older one has 3 sports modes

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest I'd never put a foot shifter on one if I did buy it, it's the same as I said if I had an auto car, I'd just let it do it's job! :)

@dereklawlor8012

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker good point but if u go off road or emergency braking

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

That's a fair point, I couldny test off-road with a loaner but I've heard the new gravel and off-road modes are excellent on the DCT. Still, a foot shifter would make sense for that big time!

I'd go manual mate.

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I dare you to test ride a DCT.

@hachewie

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker that sounds like a dare

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

@@hachewie It.....well it is 😂

@hachewie

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker hahahahaha 😜😁😁😂😂

I also ride like a lot of an arsehole a lot of the time and the DCT is a full on hooligan! Even on the Mitas E07+ tyres! 😃😃

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

We shall call ourselves "spirited" riders :D It is a laugh in sporty gearing mode. Haha once you're used to them you can do mad things on not fully road biased tyres :P

@dynamotightstar3472

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker spirited it is! 🤣 I find D and the manual triggers to really good too. It feels like learns/adapts to your driving style too which is nice.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

@Dynamo Tightstar I honestly wouldn't be mad on the manual triggers, they're fine, but at that point give me an up/down QS and autoblipper and I'd be happy out :) Interesting, must look in to how that works! :) That'd be very cool.

@dynamotightstar3472

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker I used a QS with blipper once on the KTM 690 Enduro R. I fell head ove heals in love with that bike. Not because of the QS though. 😃

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

Those bikes are just amazing fun either way! Hooligan machines 😂

It's nice it's new but how much when ya get a problem with these electronics I see it on a gold wing for sure but nooo not fer me I am a dinosaur as far as these things go, all I see is electrical glitches sorry man : )

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno why you're saying sorry I said I'd buy the manual over it too 😂😂 Cool technology tho

@crumblymal8479

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGorillaBiker Because mi mam installed this high level of politeness in me and I still haven't shaken it off yet .But I am workin on it though : D

@TheGorillaBiker

3 жыл бұрын

Haha well fair play to her 😂 But it's not impolite to disagree with someone anyway :) You weren't rude about it :)

Will never go to the DCT .. just me.

@TheGorillaBiker

2 жыл бұрын

Me neither! Not sure if you got to the end but I said the same really 😂

Your electing not to use the +- paddles shows you don't fully appreciate how the system has capabilities that will add to the positive experience. With the paddles you can make small adjustments that become second nature.If you feel the gear is held too long or you'd like the revs immediately up or down simply tap the paddle any time. The shift is fast and better than a manual adjustment in a standard manual. Your review is thus incomplete. Learn the overall capabilities implement all the available features and DCT is hugely superior to a conventional manual. DCT has added a new (better) experience and made motorcycling that much more enjoyable.

@TheGorillaBiker

Жыл бұрын

I did try them. I think I said that in the review. I didn't like them, it felt clunky to me. As I said DCT is a good system but I'd rather a manual with up/down quick shift. Much more fun experience in my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, it's not a fight like both can coexist peacefully. I'd likely never buy a DCT as I like manual. Some people really defend DCT to the hilt eh, I didn't even say it wasn't good like 😂😂😂

@sunrisejak2709

Жыл бұрын

@The GorillaBiker 😁 Yes of course we can respectfully disagree! I'm surprised the paddle shifts were "clunky". That's unusual. The other area I find beneficial with DCT is heavy traffic. Filtering through jams becomes quite a bit easier. I've had 40 Motorcycles in my riding career. The last two, a Honda XADV and now the NT1100 both of course with DCT. Anyway in the future manual transmissions will disappear and you won't have a choice. Manual boxes have all but gone extinct. Both the auto world and Motorcycle world with gas engines will be legislated out of existence. Eventually (ugh) the Motorcycle industry will be electric. (Ugh again) Bye bye manual gearbox. All EVs will be twist or step and go with no possibility of manually changing gears. Sad really. Hopefully we have a decade or two remaining of manually changing gears! Geez I hope Full Self Driving never comes to motorcycling!!!😬