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The new 659hp GT Speed is probably the best super-GT Bentley has ever made. But is it good enough to outpoint the 650hp Porsche 911 Turbo S - arguably the most capable all-weather sports car currently on sale...
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  • @clownworld-honk410
    @clownworld-honk4102 жыл бұрын

    Oh, to choose between those 2. A nice problem to have.

  • @SubyThamesGroup

    @SubyThamesGroup

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hope we both have this problem in the nearer future 🙏

  • @peterobertson1457

    @peterobertson1457

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dead right. 911 every time though.

  • @judowitzthegreat3062

    @judowitzthegreat3062

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@peterobertson1457 i dont think so :)

  • @abcdLeeXY
    @abcdLeeXY2 жыл бұрын

    Great review that influenced my decision to buy. After watching your in-depth study and considering the advantages and disadvantages of both vehicles, I've decided to purchase a Toyota Yaris. It's more in line with my budget.

  • @kjcsomerville

    @kjcsomerville

    2 жыл бұрын

    Love it !

  • @pigeonpoo1823

    @pigeonpoo1823

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hahahahahaha, Yaris or gr Yaris?

  • @nunyabusiness8441

    @nunyabusiness8441

    2 жыл бұрын

    Be sure not to be just an arrogant jerk when you flaunt your superiority around those sensible & gas saving turns.🎩 💰💸

  • @sofanova6542

    @sofanova6542

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pigeonpoo1823 I'd guess it's a 2014 yaris

  • @kmlckd

    @kmlckd

    Жыл бұрын

    Look at daddy Warbucks over here. I'm over here saving up 6mo wage for a used huffy bike with Shimano brakes.

  • @Carfection
    @Carfection2 жыл бұрын

    Great thorough review!

  • @its_EZ

    @its_EZ

    2 жыл бұрын

    „Now kiss“

  • @GKChan

    @GKChan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Collab👌🏻

  • @danieldickson4656

    @danieldickson4656

    10 ай бұрын

    I miss you guys

  • @mattjonesgt3538
    @mattjonesgt35382 жыл бұрын

    Great review Dan as always. Love the Turbo S, such a weapon in a smart suit. The real winner is VW. They take your money either way.

  • @bonganimazibuko1901

    @bonganimazibuko1901

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @rogerdickinson6944

    @rogerdickinson6944

    2 жыл бұрын

    What money?

  • @IGNT_

    @IGNT_

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rogerdickinson6944 As soon as you buy any of these cars, the money goes into Volkswagen’s pocket! Volkswagen makes both cars.

  • @NetMillionaire
    @NetMillionaire2 жыл бұрын

    Super review, I have owned BOTH cars and still own the BENTLEY, Its more plush and still goes like stink, more roomy and luxurious. Im a HUGE 911 fan and the turbos are ballistic!

  • @liang1981

    @liang1981

    2 жыл бұрын

    Porsche and Bentley are not in the same class at all.

  • @NetMillionaire

    @NetMillionaire

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@liang1981 same class as?

  • @davidowen2859

    @davidowen2859

    Жыл бұрын

    911 Turbo S for me Simon and my Panamera. Best of both worlds.

  • @javiervillapun4908
    @javiervillapun49082 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, great review of two fantastic cars. You perfectly summarised the personality, character and particularities of them. One of your best reviews since you arrived to this channel. Congrats.

  • @mosankoane4938
    @mosankoane49382 жыл бұрын

    I love the Porsche but if I had to choose one, I'd go for the Bentley because of practicality

  • @mortensenvick5711

    @mortensenvick5711

    Жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @stephenlane9168
    @stephenlane91682 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Really enjoyed this. Thanks 🙏 kept me occupied and out of trouble for a while.

  • @thisisanno
    @thisisanno2 жыл бұрын

    One of the best car reviews i've ever seen, outstanding. Well done.

  • @benlowden5799
    @benlowden57992 жыл бұрын

    Great review Dan and superbly shot as always by Harry. Bentley for me please!

  • @Thechriskraft
    @Thechriskraft2 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Never felt hanging on wishing for more information.

  • @christophernicol4762
    @christophernicol47622 жыл бұрын

    Yours are the most professional reviews in the motoring press.

  • @w75525
    @w755252 жыл бұрын

    I wasn't surprised he mentioned tyre roar what with it wearing Pirelli P Zeros. The P Zero N1 is a fairly noisy tyre. The Michelin PS4S N0 are noticibly quieter in comparison.

  • @user-ei3kz5dv4u
    @user-ei3kz5dv4u2 жыл бұрын

    Been looking for this exact test for a while now to no avail until today. The exact trims and all. I see some people are being critical of the fact they fill different niches and aren't really direct rivals. To me they're both just highly desirable GT cars. They're also some of the crown jewels in my bucket list that I like to delude myself I have any chance of achieving, fingers crossed this ends up being consumer advice!

  • @OD_MAN99

    @OD_MAN99

    2 жыл бұрын

    Couldn’t have said it better. That GT segment is probably the most rewarding one once you find your car

  • @mygoogle1482

    @mygoogle1482

    2 жыл бұрын

    never give it up - that's what Leasing is for! once youre in and feeling you're making money by being ahead of the ballon payment at the end you're not going to break out and will find yourself trading up regularly. much to your partners disbelief. I too love the GT mix - great performance but great compfort 4 wheel drive and great style, but i want at least 4 seats - both these cars offer zero passenger option if either in front are 6 foot. I looked and experinced mercs/bmws/audis and ferrari and the best car id love to fullfil the criteria above is the porshce panmera turbos s ehybrid in sports tourismo form - Drive any in the other catergories then compare the porsche for speed, compfort and handling, mpg/emmisions - i found it won on all of these and is my 'GT' car of preference - but not a GT!

  • @user-ei3kz5dv4u

    @user-ei3kz5dv4u

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ideally would like to own them outright and just hang on to them. I'm talking out of my arse a bit though since I don't make any money as it stands. I love the Panamera and that specific trim is my favourite. I'd like to have it in Viola Metallic with a Crayon interior as well but I only need space for myself so the Conti's a more appealing prospect personally. But again, just a dream.

  • @nbb6609

    @nbb6609

    2 жыл бұрын

    You’ll achieve it one day buddy

  • @mmerritt143
    @mmerritt1432 жыл бұрын

    I picked the 992 911 Turbo S. Mine is in Dolomite silver with black interior. The Bentley was a close second choice.

  • @HiddenWen

    @HiddenWen

    2 жыл бұрын

    Enjoy in good health!

  • @kaiblue5660

    @kaiblue5660

    2 жыл бұрын

    what was your reasoning? and no thoughts on aston?

  • @mmerritt143

    @mmerritt143

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kaiblue5660 I drove both cars and just liked the Porsche better. Also, the Bentley drops like a rock in value. On the Aston, I owned a Vanquish Volante a few years back. Beautiful but does drop fast in value as well. I paid $344,000 for the car and sold it with 9,000 miles on it three years later for $185,000.

  • @kaiblue5660

    @kaiblue5660

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mmerritt143 besides depreciation, was that the only reasoning? i feel like porsche engineering is amazing, they do a good job of keeping the desirable bits and getting rid of the not so good bits. however i feel like aston just speeks class and sex. also is the bentley as big of a boat as people say?

  • @mmerritt143

    @mmerritt143

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kaiblue5660 The Aston is super beautiful but I did not like the driving experience as much as the Porsche. Maybe I am biased, this is my 4th Porche.

  • @garydd6039
    @garydd60392 жыл бұрын

    Great review Dan really enjoyed it !!!!

  • @bob6383
    @bob63832 жыл бұрын

    Great video.... intelligent journalism.... but in the end, the Bentley badge is just pure class 💙

  • @samuelzwj

    @samuelzwj

    2 жыл бұрын

    Love to see a comparison video between turbo s and roma

  • @Jsah11
    @Jsah112 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a brilliant video review. If I won the lottery I’d have both!

  • @fhq547
    @fhq5472 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant and engaging review. Well done.

  • @Odlar_Yurdu_Baku
    @Odlar_Yurdu_Baku2 жыл бұрын

    Bentley ❤ Because everything in life is no speed !! Porsch 911 only track. Bentley in city+Autobahn

  • @karelesterhuizen7117
    @karelesterhuizen71172 жыл бұрын

    Great review mate

  • @andrewhurstcars
    @andrewhurstcars2 жыл бұрын

    First press car Turbo S without the sports suspension - seems like it works better in this setup without it. As for the Bentley, they should do the V8 with the Speed suspension/axle/diff improvements

  • @mychaelpierce8049
    @mychaelpierce80492 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thanks for sharing!

  • @SuperBear128
    @SuperBear1282 жыл бұрын

    What a great great review!

  • @rootsmanuva82
    @rootsmanuva82 Жыл бұрын

    The tire noise in the 911 Turbo is probably influenced by…. wait for it…. the tires more than anything else. I had a pair of Pirelli’s and I didn’t really notice how dreadfully loud they were until I switched to a set of Michelins. The reduction in road noise was massive.

  • @mickcundall4036
    @mickcundall40362 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video. Two of my absolute favourite cars so really enjoyed it. And I'll take either one thanks!

  • @marka4664
    @marka46642 жыл бұрын

    911Turbo is a complete ballistic missile; can be used in all occasions, haven’t driven latest version but previous one I love. Bentley too ostentatious for my taste but appreciate the 911 is not for everyone

  • @Shane-zx4ps

    @Shane-zx4ps

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree with you sir, I’ve never driven an 911, but any video I’ve watched on the new turbo s it is mind blowingingly brilliant.

  • @robertocalvo934
    @robertocalvo9342 жыл бұрын

    The GT is so smooth, so planted that in side view it looks like those old movies filmed in studio. You see the trees moving but the car looks still. Brilliant.

  • @superbike1
    @superbike12 жыл бұрын

    Both are winners, Porsche for short to medium journeys without question and Bentley for longer journeys without question.

  • @pigeonpoo1823

    @pigeonpoo1823

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, VW wins!

  • @christopherhirezi5686
    @christopherhirezi56862 жыл бұрын

    crazy how i was configuring a 911 turbo s and a GT speed, then when I opened KZread, this of all videos is the first one to pop up.

  • @simongodfrey7886
    @simongodfrey78862 жыл бұрын

    Loved it. And love that little stretch of road - proper gem

  • @kodi.hartMTB
    @kodi.hartMTB2 жыл бұрын

    That is genuinly the best gt review ever

  • @MonicaHolly143
    @MonicaHolly1432 жыл бұрын

    This cars are known for having comfort and speed The porsche is 70% speed 30% comfort The bentley is 70% comfort 30% speed Would be nice owning this 2 plus an offroader like bronco and a sedan like m5

  • @tmchesney56
    @tmchesney562 жыл бұрын

    Great review. It would be a really hard choice.

  • @SuperAmo87
    @SuperAmo872 жыл бұрын

    The Porsche for me, that timeless design will always looks nice unlike the Bentley which will be dated once the new gen is launched.

  • @SoulTouchMusic93

    @SoulTouchMusic93

    2 жыл бұрын

    Idk, the gt was around for a while now and it barely changed.

  • @barrymccloskey
    @barrymccloskey2 жыл бұрын

    At 1:06 I'm already slavering! That description of the 911... Guess I'm biased already! Gonna enjoy this!

  • @ivovasilev2671
    @ivovasilev26712 жыл бұрын

    Loadsa car videos, but I keep coming here to see when the heads get piston

  • @MarMPB
    @MarMPB2 жыл бұрын

    Love the comparison, but you can only call a Porsche Turbo S a GT car because there is a GT3 model. That is a really a Sport Car with GT abilities. The real competition for the Bentley GT Speed would be a Panamera Turbo S 2 door coupé if such a thing would exist. In the real world it’s adversaries are the M8 Competition, the S63 AMG Coupe and maybe a few others. But both are gorgeous cars, of course!

  • @cib2413
    @cib24132 жыл бұрын

    Dan, have you test driven the DBS Superleggera? I would be curious to get your thoughts on that car in warmer weather.

  • @sjaakmcd1804
    @sjaakmcd18042 жыл бұрын

    911 is not a Grand Tourer, it is a Sports Tourer as it has no luggage space which a true GT has.

  • @jjoomusic

    @jjoomusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wtf is a sports tourer.. stop making shet up

  • @somerandomfella
    @somerandomfella2 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for the Super Sports 🔥🔥

  • @edjohn4590
    @edjohn45902 жыл бұрын

    Porsche all day… everyday!

  • @HiddenWen
    @HiddenWen2 жыл бұрын

    Both are amazing cars. I really enjoy driving dynamics, so the 911 would be the one for me. But you can't go wrong with any, and I'm sure the buyers will mostly pick the right car based on their preferences.

  • @Bmontepeque11
    @Bmontepeque112 жыл бұрын

    I feel like the Bentley is a "Sporty Luxury Car" while the Porsche is a "Luxurious Sports Car" which sound like the same thing but they aren't 🧐

  • @martinmcdonald4207
    @martinmcdonald42072 жыл бұрын

    This is Porsches best bang for buck weapon ever. This really puts it up to the opposition more than ever. Still the King of driving.

  • @alexandrucaragea3820
    @alexandrucaragea38202 жыл бұрын

    The seats in the Bentley are to die for

  • @borinvlogs
    @borinvlogs2 жыл бұрын

    Next video: Range Rover SVR vs Cayman GT4

  • @VinodKumar-ee1st
    @VinodKumar-ee1st2 жыл бұрын

    Bentley continental GT is incredible, nice masterpiece

  • @williamsongarrett1
    @williamsongarrett12 жыл бұрын

    I don't see how it's a MUST to have 600+hp just to have fun in the snow. I've had some great fun in the snow with an Audi A5 with under 300hp

  • @josesousa272

    @josesousa272

    2 жыл бұрын

    Big numbers sells

  • @jjoomusic

    @jjoomusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    No torque in your toy car

  • @dnice362
    @dnice3622 жыл бұрын

    Need more videos!

  • @clubsportlarry4835
    @clubsportlarry48352 жыл бұрын

    Great review. Dan is always on point. He should be on Top Gear.

  • @erwinhans2579
    @erwinhans25792 жыл бұрын

    I just love the 911. Such an enormous daily ride!! Beautiful

  • @richardkaplan1913
    @richardkaplan19137 ай бұрын

    Can you drive with summer tires in the winter? What the lowest temp you can drive this turbo s 2023 ?

  • @chrissorreda4982
    @chrissorreda49822 жыл бұрын

    Im actually not convinced that the Turbo is a GT car. Yes its an absolute missile, but its still more of a sportscar than a true GT car. The Continental on the other hand, now that’s a GT car. Quiet, luxurious, comfortable, but an absolute unit when it needs to be.

  • @blacklist_tln
    @blacklist_tln Жыл бұрын

    2 fantastic cars, one as a daily and the other for weekend fun!

  • @tysanborn554
    @tysanborn5542 жыл бұрын

    Awesome stuff

  • @chrisfranks6867
    @chrisfranks68672 жыл бұрын

    Interesting that you implied (or seemed to) that the Carrera GTS is sportier than the Turbo S. Both are turbo'd Carreras, I'm surprised to hear that.

  • @essendon72
    @essendon722 жыл бұрын

    Loved it. Love both cars ;)

  • @Tousanx
    @Tousanx2 жыл бұрын

    That cream interior of the 911 turbo S is so good

  • @justpeter7336
    @justpeter73362 жыл бұрын

    "Bentley has the best interior" *Lexus: we make boats innit?*

  • @irnickkkknowles
    @irnickkkknowles2 жыл бұрын

    Saw one of these Bentley's today. Amazing thing and very very low. I have one delivered for summer please.

  • @kingoneeyed3433
    @kingoneeyed34332 жыл бұрын

    Nice, I'll take both of them.

  • @DanLMH
    @DanLMH2 жыл бұрын

    A normal Conti GT will do me fine all year round pls

  • @dombower
    @dombower2 жыл бұрын

    The potential to tune the Bentley must be huge!

  • @PutSomeDsonThatBlink
    @PutSomeDsonThatBlink2 жыл бұрын

    Do you still have the Alpine? I feel that could tick a lot of the boxes for this test

  • @74aamer

    @74aamer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Porsche starts at £164000

  • @31415926535ism
    @31415926535ism2 жыл бұрын

    You cannot buy the porsche 2 year waiting list.

  • @boogboog8097
    @boogboog80972 жыл бұрын

    Flying spur and the 911, ideal garage, gives more space between them imo.

  • @abhiram118
    @abhiram1182 жыл бұрын

    love both

  • @ricosuave855
    @ricosuave85513 күн бұрын

    Brilliant I get the same rush at the helm of my 206 1.4 Hdi This beast easily yields 78.5mpg at motorway speeds. Oh and its turbo charged For road hugging grip 195/55R15 Michelins at £695 you don't need a loan. Its a hoot on the A303 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖😂😂😂😂

  • @turbine6338
    @turbine63382 жыл бұрын

    No mention of the Speed "New" rear diff system with rear wheel steering which have been incorporated to the Speed. Check next time

  • @thomsonaj
    @thomsonaj2 жыл бұрын

    Is it me or is the stitching on the Bentley's door a bit skewiff?

  • @HawkMillFarm
    @HawkMillFarm2 жыл бұрын

    Shame about the tyre noise from 911s, yes it is bearable but could be better which would make touring a little more pleasant. I have memories of a concrete stretch of road between Dunkirk and Ypres in a 997 turbo!!! the Bentley would have done it better but I think its too big and too heavy compared to the Porsche.

  • @jimj2683

    @jimj2683

    Жыл бұрын

    just put some noise cancelling airpods on

  • @VinodKumar-ee1st
    @VinodKumar-ee1st2 жыл бұрын

    Porsche is also good, very powerful car

  • @Marius.B
    @Marius.B Жыл бұрын

    After this video, I considered both of these cars so I went ahead and bought…a second hand BMW 3 series. I guess the rich people will not look at a video on KZread but they’ll go to the car dealers and test them.

  • @bravofoxable
    @bravofoxable2 жыл бұрын

    Wow! What a comparison.... Apples and oranges, but somehow both supreme beings hey. Impossible choice. The overall spec on Bentley is superb, but the Porsche is something else.... If pressed, I'd say Bentley, just screams "presence"

  • @giochinina100
    @giochinina1002 жыл бұрын

    Porsche of course

  • @rcode2007
    @rcode20072 жыл бұрын

    I can't choose 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️both are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @bield7
    @bield72 жыл бұрын

    Another great review. Porsche all day long for me; the Bentley looks clumsy by comparison

  • @robertknights3726
    @robertknights37262 жыл бұрын

    Both epic cars. I have owned 3 Conti GTS, all stunning to drive on long runs, with bags of space, and that W12 is a remarkable engine. This one looks like a great leap forward with b road manners.. The 911 has finally found a way to reach the GT market, apart from the crap baggage space.

  • @brettgoodwin6052
    @brettgoodwin60522 жыл бұрын

    Volkswagon knocking it out the park with both cars!! 😊

  • @robertcook2572
    @robertcook25722 жыл бұрын

    Is that Bentley's steering wheel really as lumpy and baggy as it looks?

  • @DRILLBABYDRIL
    @DRILLBABYDRIL2 жыл бұрын

    Some Nutter bought a 21 plated one of those Bentleys and wrapped it in metallic orange then lacquered the wrap to get a gloss finish, ( looks like a cheap paint job ) then sold it to WBAC now it’s at BCA manchester it’s a mess orange with a red trim. Must of been a footballer

  • @rpp3612
    @rpp36122 жыл бұрын

    When you get back in your A110 Dan, don't all these other cars seem pointless and overpriced? The Bentlley's wheel looks suspiciously similar to standard VW kit.

  • @sulemanpatel
    @sulemanpatel2 жыл бұрын

    911 Turbo S all day every day for me just an unbelievable piece of engineering. Once my #SAFEMOON hits £10 I'm getting one of those bad boys! Nice review btw 👍🏼

  • @pmwaffle9348

    @pmwaffle9348

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol

  • @iZephiroth

    @iZephiroth

    Жыл бұрын

    Did you sell it in time? 🫣

  • @daveb5211
    @daveb52112 жыл бұрын

    Can't fool me. That's the bloke from Coldplay.

  • @ryanwhite7969
    @ryanwhite79692 жыл бұрын

    Who was the one to ask for this race? Two different cars that shouldn't be compared if yr talking about speed. Smfh.

  • @Under_Construction100
    @Under_Construction1002 жыл бұрын

    Conti GT any day. Just hate that its seats are RS 7-ish. Otherwise, great car overall.

  • @damonwashington2837
    @damonwashington2837 Жыл бұрын

    Oh God, that Bentley Continental GT Speed is the Shit!!!

  • @pereldh5741
    @pereldh57412 жыл бұрын

    Well. Just because something is fast its not a sportscar. Not even a alcantara steering wheel helps But it’s interesting comparing two very different VW products, sure. For VW geeks I suppose!

  • @edjohn4590
    @edjohn45902 жыл бұрын

    I play the lotto occasionally just to be able to give me a chance to buy a Porsche!🤣

  • @dr-ok3sn
    @dr-ok3sn2 жыл бұрын

    doesn’t really make sense to compare them cause they don’t even compete at all, two different cars for two different purposes🤦🏼‍♂️ and the Continental GT is technically a Panamera coupe, so comparing them makes as much "sense" as comparing a S 63 coupe with the AMG GT too bad, otherwise it's a good video as always

  • @1q2w3e4r5t6zism
    @1q2w3e4r5t6zism Жыл бұрын

    The Porsche is a surgical precision tool. The Bentley is a completely different car - a classical GT for the Autobahn.

  • @jameswalley7234
    @jameswalley7234 Жыл бұрын

    Everything on the Bentley will fail and depreciate but the body and interior. It's decadence made for someone to replace it's mechanical parts. Porsche is still the working mans ultimate sports car. I want a 93 911 not a Bentley Azure

  • @adriancooper78
    @adriancooper782 жыл бұрын

    Bentley speed. A proper British Touring Car with Porsche engineering.

  • @bonganimazibuko1901
    @bonganimazibuko19012 жыл бұрын

    Bentley please. In white with a red and black interior

  • @bpdqofficial8643
    @bpdqofficial86432 жыл бұрын

    One for the gentleman and one for the lady

  • @mikel6236
    @mikel62362 жыл бұрын

    I would say the winner in this category is the BMW M8 competition. Better comfort than the Turbo S and by far better driving machine than the Bentley. And i'm a Turbo S owner, the tyre noise can be irritating.

  • @JTM610

    @JTM610

    2 жыл бұрын

    That M8 isn't even in the same luxury level as the Conti though

  • @mikel6236

    @mikel6236

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JTM610 true, but more than the Porsche.

  • @jamescollins4500
    @jamescollins45002 жыл бұрын

    I wish he had compared a DB11 to the Bentley.

  • @queendesireers6358
    @queendesireers6358 Жыл бұрын

    DO NOT LET, NO ONE GO, IN YOUR VEHICLE; AND DO NOT LET, NO ONE TOUCH, YOUR CART.

  • @kaushikganesh6216
    @kaushikganesh62162 жыл бұрын

    Ftype svr is a perfect blend of gt and a sportscar and isn't ugly like a 911 and isn't boring looking like a bentley.

  • @borisyurinov4822

    @borisyurinov4822

    Жыл бұрын

    Seats are crap

  • @kaushikganesh6216

    @kaushikganesh6216

    Жыл бұрын

    @@borisyurinov4822 better seats than a 911 I've owned both over the years

  • @borisyurinov4822

    @borisyurinov4822

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kaushikganesh6216 I prefer the xkr seats. 4.2 V8 is such a sweet spot

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