We only have a 8k lb Jayco but I just upgraded from a 2015 1500 Silverado to a 2022 3500HD Duramax because we camp at least 80 nights from spring to fall and hauling my two kids, wife and all our belongings SAFELY is most important.

I hope that 6.6 gas will be as or more reliable than the 6.0 The 6.0 is bullet proof engine can easily do 400k+ miles without failures

@edwilson9243

5 жыл бұрын

Agree 100% that 6.0 Liter best V8 GM ever built.

@I5ZQ8

5 жыл бұрын

Or..... About 10 to 15lbs of boost in junkyard dragracing builds with engines well over 100k mikes.... Making 700+ HP

@Talal19954ever

5 жыл бұрын

I5ZQ8 I feel that the 6.0 is better daily driving/towing, if I want to go with high hp build i will pick the 6.2 Yet the one thing that I don't understand is why they stopped using iron blocks after 2009 models ?

@hollowaang5284

5 жыл бұрын

@@edwilson9243 All the LS engines are the best.

@blakeok952

5 жыл бұрын

Hector H like the 4l60 in the 5.3

I just purchased a 2021 8' 3500HD and it only has the ability for 21,000lbs. More than enough for most 5th wheels. I'm a Chevy guy! ;)

Wow, I am actually impressed with that towing tech. Looks useful. Good video

I really appreciate the fact that BTBRV knows and understands it's viewers. Really, thank you very much. Great channel.

I’m never going to tow 35k lbs. But, I would much rather have a truck that can tow 50% more than I want to tow than a truck that is overloaded.

Old video, not sure if you’ll check the comments. Just wondering what your thoughts are on the fact that there’s a 2500 High Country towing a triple axle toy hauler in the stock footage. The lightest Fuzion has 3,000 lbs of pin weight dry. That puts that truck at max payload before the driver even steps in.

Excessive capability is america..great video..

It's true. The other manufacturers are focused on numbers but gm has always focused on the total package.

Crazy numbers the big 3 are putting up these days. I dont see how you could go wrong with any one of them. I am glad to see the competition between them it just gives the consumer a better product. Thanks again JD. your video production has definitely skyrocketed lately. Keep it up. Hands down you are our favorite youtuber!!

Imma be honest. They all can tow the same amount. Period.

@hollowaang5284

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This comment deserves more likes.

@mikz86ta1

5 жыл бұрын

Remember when Ford F150 fudged on their tow capacity by removing the spare tire, Jack, etc. to get their numbers. 😂 It's all subjective BS

@theplayernkc

5 жыл бұрын

@@dieseldave2873 You have that backwards. It's GM then Ram then Ford. Did you not even watch the video?

@theplayernkc

5 жыл бұрын

@@dieseldave2873 No one? Are you sure about that? Right now everyone reviewing this truck is disputing your nonsense.

@frostybandit1

5 жыл бұрын

@@theplayernkc hell, this is what i am doing with my 2002 Chevy 2500HD with 6.0L gasser NV4500 manual i.imgur.com/GJFplAU.png

About damn time chevy caught up with the towing numbers

I think the thing that I find the MOST interesting is the fact that with all the things they upgraded in the drivetrain, they stated that the full power of the engine can be put to the ground in first gear. They don't have to de-tune it until higher speeds/gears. I think this will make a bigger difference than people think.

Can't wait to see this truck kick some Ram ass in the competition!.

This is why I love your channel you keep it real. And you don't buy into the marketing gimmick hype.

@hollowaang5284

5 жыл бұрын

Not like TFLtruck. They suck.

Great Job. i love the new looks and redesign. !!!

It just goes to show how far thier behind in technology they where behind! Just bought a 3500 RAM best Truck Made for the money.

Great video. Thanks!

This version of the chevy hd are good looking .

Great commentary. What an Age of Trucks we live, it's just fantastic.

Your videos are always getting better👍🏽

Wow! I have in command and a Cougar! Chevy just might earn my business next time!

Chevy states, on every new truck, they include a sticker giving all the towing ratings for that particular truck with its unique configuration. That’s great once you buy the truck. Why can’t they calculate those same numbers when you are using the “build and price” on line feature once you have done the configuration? If you find your specific configuration can’t do what you want you can change it BEFORE you buy the truck rather than find out when you pick it up that it isn’t what you want.

@johnwild757

4 жыл бұрын

The actual numbers posted on the sticker are negligible compared to the website numbers. The difference is actual weight the truck gets after it is manufactured.

Windshield cleaning

I’m a northeast truck driver and a Chevy guy so I’m loving this. Hotshot is starting to be a pretty lucrative thing so if you can use your personal vehicle to flatbed and make money with that’s pretty cool

The best reviewer on KZread.

Looks like you won the bet you made at the 2020 GMC HD reveal. I’m with you on the over building of the trucks. Thanks for sharing this information BTBRV.

@BigTruckBigRV

5 жыл бұрын

I wondered if anyone would remember that

@patrickstevens5457

5 жыл бұрын

yep, over build. anyone seen some of theses roads lately?

Great Video.

Big fan of ram's and chevy's but tbh if I'd be towing I'll go with gm but ram for long distance family hauling or just any work unless I'd be towing like 30k pounds

Nice, but, thanks to you, I am totally sold on the F-450. Good information thougth.

@WeatherxCalipha

5 жыл бұрын

Enjoy behind behind the competition.

@lawrencewilliamson3303

5 жыл бұрын

C.T. Productions behind behind ?

@CoyoteFTW

5 жыл бұрын

C.T. Productions - the F450 is the best truck you can buy ? Behind what ?

Amazing how far trucks have come

I Watch your channel because I like your information :) I am "broke" LoL!

Good information

Triple axle Fuzion RV with a minimum of a 3200LBS pin weight behind a 2500HD?

What really sucks is I purchase a new 3500 HD High Country Chevy less then a year ago and Now they come out with this truck, You can't win with these Mortgaged priced trucks lol

@makaikitchel1803

5 жыл бұрын

Less than a year ago they were already talking about this truck though. Don't feel bad you have an awesome truck...

@dillonh321

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I buy base models... Much smaller mortgage LOL.

Wow! That is some fantastic technology! Would love to be able to control travel trailer functions from the truck. Just cranking on the A/C and fans from the cab when you're pulling into a campsite in the summer! Super cool!

JD, I think you are the perfect guy on KZread to get more information on these tow ratings out of the vehicle engineers when you are able to interview them. Specifically, in what area(s) of the SAE J2807 standard were they able to improve and what changes to the vehicle affected the different practices of J2807. Would be some very interesting information for some of us.

Oh ...you would use it. Guaranteed

Finally!!! A Fuzion on your channel! Please do a full review on a Fuzion 429 if you can get your hands on one. We would love to see it!

if a relatively stripped down truck like a regular cab 4x2 has more tow capacity wouldn't a lighter truck not deal with sway or a heavier trailer as well as a heavier truck like a crew cab 4x4 would?

Darn, that is nice...I love my Silverado but at 14 years old we are missing some nice features and I'd love more towing capacity..."Honey, can I spend $80k on a new truck?" HAHA

Hello, great video but I have 1 question. Other than turning on the tow/haul mode and exhaust brake, when towing a 14,000lb 5th wheel do I need to lock it out of overdrive or let the computer do its job?

.......since you're showing the factory video.....you're ok with towing a tri-axle 40+ foot trailer with a SRW? Doesn't jive with what you put out on previous videos??

How soon till you need a CDL to drive a pickup? Lol

@goldenfloof5469

5 жыл бұрын

Well, given you need one to drive a truck and trailer combined of anything more than 26,000 pounds, then it's been required for quite some time now to push them to their max.

@paulzimmerman1227

4 жыл бұрын

Melon Collie 26,001! Lol

Awesome video thank you. Love the Chevy , looks like while towing that 5th wheel though in this video the rear of the truck is down a bit !!!

@jerrytkaczyk7372

5 жыл бұрын

Heber Clement III GM dropped the bed hight just like Ford to accommodate fifth wheel and I think; not one hundred percent sure, but I think both companies are designing transmissions together. All these trucks are great.

Now this is making me wish I'd waited. Those other features are nice.

I LIKED

Hey nice truck gm I think they were waiting for ram are ford to put out there specs first and I don’t think it’s a different between 300 pounds a big deal but I bet ford will top all those numbers and be number 1 in every category if they don’t I will be surprised but good job by the big 3 outstanding trucks coming our way.

Now that the big three are goin well over 30k, the 5th wheel hitch manufactures will need to step up their game.

To new, can't afford it. Going for an older Chevy truck.

I think you make a great point, the consumer is the making out on the new trucks. All big 3 will tow more trailer than you can buy, so I really could care less if Chevy is towing 400lbs more than Ram, I'm sure Ford next week will hit the 36K mark.

JD again great research and info. Somehow I missed this video, although I have been subscribed. It has been 2yrs since you posted but I JUST NOW found it. Ironically this is the same timing when Im actually researching and looking for these specific stats. I have commented several times over the years, but here is my 1st question/scenario for you to help me... I am comparing these tow stats in order to tow a Grand Design 31MB 5th wheel (1,834 hitch weight 12000 GVWR 36ft ) and trying to decide purchase between 2500HD or 3500HD. The 3500HD has better suspension and robust , but the 2500HD suspension offers softer ride for my daily commute and comfort. I do travel full time and usually stay long term (3-6months)...then relocate 2 or 3 States away 1000 miles (another 3-6 months). I travel ALL States and relocate 3-4 times a year. I'm looking for your advise and experience between a) comfortable & smooth daily driving and b) strong suspension when I continue to relocate and tow 5th wheel 1000 miles each few months (sometimes driving Mountains of Northwest, snow in the Northeast or MidWest States, and sometimes SouthEast States). The 3500HD is great...but im concerned about the stiffer suspension as my daily driver (while 5th wheel is detached). Since I drive 200-300 miles daily (just the truck) mostly on open highway and then some off-road trails. The rig stays at RV park 3-6months, until it's time for me to relocate. I remember one of your other videos explaining to also consider the payload, gross weight & capacities, etc...not just the tow rating...and I fully agree. Do you have any thoughts...advise...recommendations between these 3500HD vs 2500HD ??

The weight in 5th wheel bypass storage is the added to the tongue weight for the truck payload?

I guess Chevy is trying to say that their truck is so advanced that they are advocating hauling a huge triple axle fifth wheel with a non dually pick up.

Good job GM, but getting a GMC. Can't stand that Aztec front end.

@derekortiz3663

5 жыл бұрын

Dammit. Cant unsee that now.

@daltonhill5110

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry

@tomcooper920

5 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of either really. I think they missed the mark there!

@scott250r2

5 жыл бұрын

The GMC looks gr8 and is awesome. Smokin Truck

Does the trailer application work with keystone Montana (In Command)?

I want to see the tow numbers with specific gear ratios on the gas burners.

I'll be happy towing no more than 7,000 lbs 26' trailer. Thinking Ford F-250 and it's like in the other brands. Edit: staying positive.

short bed truck...cause i want a truck, just not the whole truck

Hi can you do a video on gas dually trucks

@thenextchapter6223

5 жыл бұрын

Uhhh...... What?

@christianyepez5186

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenextchapter6223 , they used to sell dually pickups with gas engines ik ram has the 6.4 gas engine on a dually

@christianyepez5186

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oISjk7Wap7XHXbA.html

On the 6.6 gas is it direct injection only? I’m worried about carbon buildup. Can you ask GM engineers if they have a solution like ford and Toyota have done with port and direct injection.

How does that 3/4 T crew cab have the payload to absorb the pin weight of that Fusion fifth wheel?

@aaronkerns6808

3 жыл бұрын

Let me know if someone answers this

The Allison is made in house at G.M. not the company of Allison is what I've heard from another channel.

Is it a wirless or corded camera for the trailer?

I love how the video is showing a 5th Wheel Toy Hauler with a Chevy Silverado 2500... So was this on purpose or an editing flaw?

@aaronkerns6808

3 жыл бұрын

Would think payload would have been maxed out with that toy hauler

What do you think of fords new 7.3L gas engine? Interesting they went with a push rod as well.

@I5ZQ8

5 жыл бұрын

Funny how they talled about efficiency and reliability and pointed at a pushrod V8

@buckhorncortez

5 жыл бұрын

@@I5ZQ8 Why is that "funny"? Ford has made pushrod V8's for 70 years.

@AkioWasRight

5 жыл бұрын

@@I5ZQ8 It's not funny. OHV engines are lighter, simpler, have few moving parts to break. Combine that with the focus on lower RPM power, it can mean greater overall efficiency.

@rxonmymind8362

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not a 100% does Toyota Tundra have that as well? Old school v8?

these new trucks are starting to grow on me .But my question is between the GMC and the chevy why are they going against each other why don't they get there heads together and go against the other two Dodge and ford they almost have the same people talking about the two GM trucks? .P.S like like watching your videos.

That truck in the video looked like a 2500 towing way more than 19,000 crew, which means a single cab Chevy Dually can take at least 36,000

Forget the Chevy 2020 2500HD gas version!, they dropped 4.10 gear option which has been around since the beginning of time. 2019 and earlier versions offered 4.10 rear gear ratios. Here is the difference in performance in max trailer weights for 2019 and older crew cab short bed models with 4.10 was 14200#, and 3.73 were 9700#. It would have been ok if they changed the transmission ratios but they didnt on the gas version! From 14200# to 9700# is a huge difference, saying you make up for it by increasing the engine torque wont make up for it on the hills. You need the extra gear ratio on the hills because the RPMs will drop too much when it shifts. Also the 3.73 will put more stress on the clutches that engage when the transmission shifts. I love my 2012 2500HD with gas, but the gears on the hills are barely acceptable and I cant afford to make them worse. Time to go to Ford that offers 4.30 gear ratios!

Would like to learn more about how manufacturers determine their tow ratings...

I just purchased a 2016 40.5 foot momentum 376TH 5th wheel.( GVWR 19,500) We may take it out a few times a year. Im looking at purchasing a new truck to tow with. I'd like to stay away from a dually. The 3500 SRW Crew Cab Sierra Denali 6.6 Diesel is on the top of our list. What are your thoughts on this truck for our new 5th wheel considering the volume of use?

Did GM change anything about the 2020 2500HD/3500HD Gooseneck/5th Wheel OEM setup? I've been told by several manufactures that they do not have an OEM 5th wheel puck mounted hitch due to GM changing things. Hard to believe that GM would do that given the "Industry Standard" previously used by GM and still used by Ford and Dodge.

Wow that's a good looking truck!

JD, are the back seats in the GM HD's as big as the Fords as far as room?

@jerrytkaczyk7372

5 жыл бұрын

Reklaw I’m not jd but I know all cabs are being stretched 3 inches. It dose not seem like much but I sat in the half ton and believe me, it’s nice.

I'm starting to think all these towing numbers are like the points on "Who's Line Is It Anyway". I predict Fords new numbers will be near 36K.

The footage towing the toy hauler with a srw cc short box must have given you a stroke lol

Taht video is crazy. that Fuzion loaded is 20k lbs and that truck is a shortbed crew cab SRW. I dont know about you but I want DRW pulling a triple axle Ffith wheel rv.

@chrisludwig9783

5 жыл бұрын

McClung Farm for sure

@tortue71

5 жыл бұрын

yep and a 2500 !! geez that's not very smart on their part ! the truck is probably not overloaded on payload because everything is empty with a gas engine but still.... it says to people that they can tow that rv with a 2500 ... wich there is no way that you can do this in real life without being overloaded

Wow

What about the 2500HD, what does that tow?? All heard was the 3500HD dually.

@troycruse

5 жыл бұрын

The 2500HD 18500 conventional and 18500 gooseneck diesel can’t remember the gas but it’s on the TFLtruck channel

G.M. dropped the ball as far as the interior.

Not a Ram fan, but it has 1,000 ft pounds of torque

What about GVWR capacity?

Hi I do enjoy most of your videos, they are good. But why is it it that you all focus on the biggest weight categories only. I don't know the %s of users that want a dually verses no dually. So I have an idea for you as a niche. What are the biggest weights for a srw in all the brands 2st in diesel then in gas with a crew cab? Isn't that the biggest market that people will care about? Do a good job on that guess what'll happen to your market share.

@BigTruckBigRV

5 жыл бұрын

My friend, I've done a large number of videos on that topic sir. You might be catching mainly the videos on heavier trucks, but if you go back you'll see a huge number of videos on 1/2ton trucks and trailer as well as 3/4 and 1 ton SRW trucks. I do appreciate the feedback

@timothycoates4723

5 жыл бұрын

Can you send me links, are they 2019 or 2020

Ford will be at 36000 and 1200 torque quote me

@BigTruckBigRV

5 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing 35,900 and 1025lb ft. No reason to make big jumps when you can make small ones to reclaim thentitle

@bpaul1201awesome

5 жыл бұрын

Im guessing 36k towing, 1,025lb ft tq, and 7.9k-8k carrying capacity.

@hollowaang5284

5 жыл бұрын

More Torque + Less Horsepower = Gutless Truck.

@lancehartman9905

5 жыл бұрын

There probably just going to put the biggest numbers out there to get there fanboys excited, and overrate all those numbers like they always do, so they can have the biggest numbers on paper out of everyone else, but at the end of the day, everyone knows its about how capable and powerful the trucks are in the real world, and not on paper. That being said though, no matter what truck you buy for yourself, you can definitely be confident that you got a truck that can easily get the job done. Especially now that they are probably rated over 35,000lbs. Pretty much the same weight lots of semi trucks haul.

@kubeanie18

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks.for the replies ppl cool.to.be highlighted.

I think a more important observation is does someone really need to be towing almost 40,000 pounds with a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck? There are people who come to videos like this or experience that can tow that much weight properly and SAFELY. But the average person would say if it can do almost 40,000 why not another 10% or 20%. I see more dangers of towing that much with that little of a truck. Anyway who knows? I'm a mechanical engineer so it's not my field.

@stacymanley161

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Colegate anything over 30000 you have to have cdl

@jamesbeaman6337

5 жыл бұрын

Alex, as an engineer, don't you trust that SAE has developed the J2807 testing standard with sufficient safety in mind for those who are licensed to tow those weights? Assuming the manufacturers are all following that standard now (which is my understanding), that is what gives me confidence that the trucks can safely tow those weights.

My old 2017 Ram 2500 could tow my 40ft. 5th wheel with ease with the 6.7 Cummins but that doesn't mean its the right truck to tow with.

Keep in mind. While GM and ford are releasing their 2020 tow figures now, Ram is just now releasing their 2019 figures. So at the current moment GM is ahead with 35.5k tow rating, you can bet Ram will trump this with their 2020 release. So for the 2019 models, Ram is ahead.

@blakeok952

5 жыл бұрын

Its a nitpicking fight of upping numbed just a bit

Daggum

If the dealer says i can tow 35k it can tow more. We push the trucks. Well most of us do

@blakeok952

5 жыл бұрын

The general rule is to rate things at 80% of your product

I’ll stick with my 17 F-350 more than enough power for what I need it for

@benroberts17

5 жыл бұрын

michael santiago there’s definitely no reason to change especially if you have a 350 already and that Ford didn’t come out with a new model that’s worth upgrading for

But, but it's that a 2500 D-Max towing that toyhauler?

Did that Chevy towing a fifth wheel dare to pull it with a single rear wheel!!! On your channel!!!! How did you allow this

@motohobo8826

4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that he isn't saying he needs a peterbilt now and his f450 is inadequate to pull his travel trailer

I still don't know what to say about the face of the chevy truck even though styling is not really a priority in this class. I need to take a closer look

And we all know Ford will surpass Chevy's claims when they come out with their final numbers - big deal. And, Ford will use a 10 speed transmission, etc., etc. So, Chevy will be the king for a week...then Ram will come out with a 10 speed with more towing, Chevy will attempt something to keep up, Ford will best all of them...rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat...etc. At some point, you just need to buy a Class 8 tractor and be done with it.

@Dive-Bar-Casanova

5 жыл бұрын

The GM will get significantly better MPG and tow every bit as well.

@bigjag47

5 жыл бұрын

Buckhorn, your a bonehead. Having owned and currently owning several GM, Ford and Dodge (Ram) light duty trucks 1500 (150), 2500 (250) and 3500 (350). I can tell you they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Ram is pure power and grunt, falls short with tranny, technology and comfort features, but awesome truck. GM is power and reliable to it's own fault. The comfort and reliability is unmatched. Ford is stylish and comfortable, but the main thing you can rely on is paying several repair bills, the 5.9 was the last great engine and you don't know what will fail first, but know that the Tranny, A/C and electric technology will fail you, not to mention the 6.7.

@stacymanley161

5 жыл бұрын

bigjag47 the ford 6.7 is a good engine an don’t give problems the ram has the best ride an interior the chevy rides the roughest of any

@rsdna9698

5 жыл бұрын

@@stacymanley161Ummm, have you actually been in either of these trucks? or maybe you're talking about the half-ton versions? Either way, your completely off, Chevy has the best ride, Ram has the worst By Far, no comparison. at least as of 2017 when I test drove both. I'm also not downing Ram here, because they sacrifice ride quality for the solid front axle, which is fine with me.

@justinw.2376

5 жыл бұрын

RSD N/A you’re the first one that has said gm has the best ride that I’ve seen. I still think ford has the most comfortable interior and ride. But hey I also have a 66 f100 and that rides like a brick lol even with all new suspension parts

Damn 35k that’s a lot

So it's ok for a 3/4 ton to pull 35000+lbs. but not ok for a 1/2 ton f150 to pull it's rated 11300 lbs. eh? So I guess THAT ignorant argument is mute. 3/4 ton towing 3.5lbs. per 1 lb. of truck weight makes a 1/2 ton towing 2.2 lbs. per 1 lb. of truck weight seem fairly reasonable.

3/4 ton or 1/2 ton?

@mochamommyATX

5 жыл бұрын

1 ton 3500

@justinw.2376

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure how much scrap metal is on it. Lot of plastic

Good video. Seems weird to me to go from 23,500 LBS to 35,500 LBS in one model year and not increase the horsepower and torque?!

@NWI_Steel

5 жыл бұрын

It's the frame

@ninersforlife7682

5 жыл бұрын

@@NWI_Steel yes frame is part of it but it has to be one hell of a frame upgrade to jump up 12000 lbs. Ford and RAM didn't jump up that much overnight they gradually built their way up to that much weight.

@blakeok952

5 жыл бұрын

My guess is they rated them lower. Most good companies rate their products 80/90% of max

@ninersforlife7682

5 жыл бұрын

@@blakeok952 lol good company. That may be true but it went up 53% not 10 or 20%

@blakeok952

5 жыл бұрын

Fordsuperduty76 thats a 30/40% frame and suspension increase. What I meant by good company was a company that wants a product to be reliable and the products buyers to feel secure

Uhhhhhh chevy .!!! Thats a real nice truck ... to bad I’m a ford fanatic.... nothing handles like a ford... saludos de guatemala mi amigo.. Greetings from guatemala my friend... love your stuff

The best thing on the new Chevy is the 10 speed transmission. The new 6.7 Cummins is going to be a beast!! Stronger Rods, block and a bigger turbo!! 400 hp and1000tq and you know they didn't design that engine without room for it to be increased. Going to interesting to see towing comparisons of the two.