I was there!! In the audience, the middle of the front row. Doeleman, in person, beside brilliant was a warm, powerful speaker. Reminded me of a young Carl Sagan. I left the event so high I was walking on air. What a supreme privilege to have had this opportunity. Thank you to the World Science Festival for all that it does and for Its generosity in sharing the entire lecture on KZread.

@mal2ksc

4 жыл бұрын

The organization chose its "face" very well. I am accustomed to sitting through less than optimal deliveries because the speaker is worth hearing (Nima Arkani-Hamed comes to mind), but the general public tends to zone out when that happens. I'm so glad to see they found a communicator who can make it simple enough, but not so simple as to be patronizing (although I admit skipping the recap on relativity and black holes historically). This is a difficult balance to strike.

@rayagoldendropofsun397

4 жыл бұрын

Doeleman brilliance led him away from the fact of downward falling motion, and into a Black Hole of mythical science Gravity ! Black Hole's came Gravity, which started with Newton's apple falling downward to earth surface. Picture atmospheric oxygen hydrogen gases before, and after, before they're free going everywhere, and after, at the point of BONDING together, they has become motionless water with its molecules motion trapped within cause a downward falling motion known as RAINDROPS ! Reversal of downward falling motion of RAINDROPS/WATER back into a gaseous state is done by PHOTONS ENERGY splitting the water molecules freeing the oxygen hydrogen gases, which again rise upwards into the atmosphere to continue it's gas BONDING cycle making new water. Gas rise from it's molecules in motion, and falls downward when trapped as in BONDING together !

@barmalini

2 жыл бұрын

You made me watch the video again

@allanroser1070

2 жыл бұрын

You were had! ... it's all garbage

@ericacannon5832

2 жыл бұрын

You weren’t there

Sir Shep Doeleman... You gave a prolific explanation of all about Blackhole in half an hour... Congratulations for your Breakthrough.. Hope to see your team as nobel laureates in 2020

Omg....That's what the flipped shadow is on the black hole!!! It's the material passing behind the black hole who's light was bent above the blackhole and sent towards the observer! This thing has been puzzeling me for so long! I finally understand! Excellent Talk!

Need more of these videoes. They are so great. Thanks for upload

I am here at August 2020. More than an year after the image was released. Even now it feels like it was just last week

What a treat, thank you!

What an exciting time to be alive. Thank you for the beautiful and inspiring work you do!

Very happy you posted this, awesome vid

Excellent work! As an engineer, I have been combing through data for thirty years and have developed countless algorithms to analyze the data. But never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that the sheer magnitude of data could be collected and analyzed like this!

Who is here after that black hole image captured !! It's a dream come true!! Great man

You sparked the imagination of the entire world, that's why. I feel lucky simply that I was able to see something so magnificent. I can only guess how you all felt.

Amazing work! So inspiring!

Truly fantastic. Thank you so much!

This guy will be so excited to see data coming back 6 months from now from JWST

I love the rate at which scientific discoveries are being made. This is awesome.

I really enjoyed this. Thanks for uploading

in moments like this,...I believe mankind has a chance....what an amazing achievement spanning over 100 years.... from Einstein without job, working in patent office...no calculator, no internet...only his powerful brain....and his workings still amaze the world....

the cutting edge of our knowledge of the universe. fantastic!

Well done, excellent work!!

Every researcher should aspire to this level of greatness

I could listen to this guy for hours!

“‘crunching the data” says it all. It’s almost like no one’s ever seen a plasma toroid before...

@stevenverrall4527

4 жыл бұрын

We even see them around ordinary stars! No black hole required!!! Researchers at the national labs know how to generate a plasma torus from jets. As yet, black hole models cannot fully explain how collimated jets form.

@smackout

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenverrall4527 as yet. relativity fails to corroborate all observations.. and is it gravitational lensing or coronal??

@Problembeing

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. A simple experiment with a plasma focus device produces the same effect observed from galactic matter expulsions. It is even admitted that those beams are 'electromagnetic', same as a plasma focus. To travel so far from the spin axis in a straight line in both directions requires a current to carry it.

@Problembeing

4 жыл бұрын

Surely; if the 'black hole' was deforming space time and curving it. As it is supposedly of infinite density and gravity bends light and captures everything, wouldn't these 'jets' bend or fall back into the hole? If the escape velocity of light is the speed of light, then light cannot escape, surely light would not be able to form these jets and escape! Light would have to be traveling faster than light to do so. It's preposterous!

@stevenverrall4527

4 жыл бұрын

Astronomical lensing effects can be caused by refraction through plasma density gradients.

Excellent work and thank you, this is truly an amazing discovery.

Congratulations to the people involved with this project! Absolutely Mind Bending in its scale and complexity!

@thehorsecockexpress1068

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations to Shepard, for doing 95% of the work and not getting world wide recognition for it..

I love the idea of recombining the radio telescope data in both space and time to create a virtual parabolic mirror. And the spinning of the earth helps fill in the surface area of this virtual mirror over time. I’d like to know what other mathematical operations they did to improve the resolution. e.g. did they create a network graph to interpolate what data they would have received if there were a telescope at [X,Y,Z,T]? Then render as many virtual telescopes as you want? Though it doesn’t contain more information perhaps it still increases resolution? We also know the earth orbits the sun. Could they record for a year and get a virtual mirror the size of the earths orbit?

I love that guy!!!!!! I might listen him hours and hours So much information

we need to support these kind of people so they can progress alot better

@nadiakojo1313

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

tnx

The geniuses of our day. Makes me feel both small and proud.

@MadnessMotorcycle

4 жыл бұрын

Truly a low bar.

@jonathanlebon9705

4 жыл бұрын

@@MadnessMotorcycle .,.really?

What a great video with a guy knowing what he is talking about. Awesome!

This has been fascinating! Thank you!

And i struggle to assembly an ikea table

Someone needs to invent a cheap system to show the laser pointer on the slide we see out in the digital world. It would help a lot in understanding. Incredible technique and resolution to display a true image of a Black hole.

@mal2ksc

4 жыл бұрын

There are some facilities working virtual laser pointers into the presentation software to get around this. That is almost certainly the cheapest fix. The Hubble Space Telescope presentations recently switched to such a system.

The satellite idea is cool, might want to start working on the data transfer problem now though. Hard to send a 747 to LEO.

Could a black hole be the unseen forces of or clone Rachel Field that is so powerful it reacts to time space in a manner that we call a black hole, If so would it be possible to send information from one the universe to the next if we cannot travel yet Through a black hole.

Nicely elaborated .. a major BREAKTHROUGH .. after THEORY OF RELATIVITY .. a FIRST STEP towards PRACTICALITY OF RELATIVITY THEORY .. Best WISHES for FUTURE ENDEAVOURS .. from PAKISTAN .. !!

Thanks Brian Green

if light cann't get out of the black hole does it mean that it is in fact slowed down by attraction of the black hole to a point that it is stopped (and has to "return" ?) ..... ?? could it also mean that it is trapped into too much concentration of matter like in the big bang where it also could not escape .... turning around in a move around the center deviated by the attraction of that center ? or could it also mean that it is traveling faster than lichtspeed while going more and more deeper into the black hole ???

He's an exceptional speaker

Have you heard of refraction?

Those 13 year old gamers have a term for what you did and it's not "impossible". The correct term would be "epic", more specifically epic win.

Subtitles / text in english in the video is coming soon!

at the resolution of 16:03 exactly, and from thenceforth, it appears to be the spiral of a tightly knit rendering of the same sort of gravitational lensing that occurs in the whole refsdal thing. it looks like it might even be copies of our universe copied back at us perfectly, along the ways of its path to and from our current iteration. it all keeps looping tighter and tighter until there's a gap and then blam, the actual image of the black hole itself, but before all of that is the universe copied back at us, the "jets" are the real thing that's shooting the map across the coil for us, like a kind of spool for one of those old self playing pianos

@TheZombiesAreComing

2 жыл бұрын

That is magnification, not resolution. Resolution is in reference to it's scale and how many pixels it is composed of which for whatever reason, no one wants to say.

That was interesting but would have liked a bit more info about how they record and correct the doppler shifts introduced by the Earth's rotation and proper motion around the sun and galactic plane. Putting a few telescopes in a Mars sized orbit would give 40,000 times even better resolution, but would need laser comms to get the data home. Pity it's not yet possible to do optical VLBI.

@pjetrs

3 жыл бұрын

The originator of this project, Heino Falcke, wrote an excellent book about this research. It doesn't go that in depth, but its a very good read

So is the Hubble useless now ?

Just curious... why colorize the image orange, why not blue? And why colorize the image at all? I sense that the color orange was chosen to enhance the effect on the public. Am I wrong? Is the area around a black hole truly orange? If it was colorized, why was this not stated in simple terms.

@pjetrs

3 жыл бұрын

Heino Falcke (who came up with this whole project) explains it this way: he said science needs to be attractive to the public for them to care and understand. The radio signals could have been shown in graphs, numbers or black-white pictures. However he chose to go for the red colourscale, reminding of a solar eclipse he once saw and for the fact that the red scale gives the black hole a sense of being something where a lot of energy is racing around, for normal people red colours are more easy to associate with energy than blue for example. He wanted it to be an iconic picture. Just like the big bang wasnt an actual 'bang' and black holes aren't really holes. But its a way to make it comprehensable

@michaelc424

3 жыл бұрын

@@pjetrs Does the public know that this is a colorized picture? Upon finding out it is a flat out colorized picture, would the public find the pic more or less believable?

@michaelc424

3 жыл бұрын

@@pjetrs Is this a quote from Falcke? If so could you provide a link to the quote.

What does he mean by hitching the trailer to gamers?? Is he speaking on just the generalization of Moore's law and how the technology (bandwidth capabilities) was able to advance as fast due to gaming and other things like that? Or deeper than that the using of the satellites in conjunction to all view the same Target as a unit similarly to how gamers play with each other at the same "time" thanks too algorithms that create the singular view for everyone in the match

@mal2ksc

4 жыл бұрын

Bandwidth and connectivity in general, but also not really discussed was the use of GPUs to crunch all that data. They most definitely have gamers to thank for those being commodities they can just pick up off the shelf and use.

Can you please add an Arabic subtitle

16:49 yeah! take a picture! cause you won't find it on the internet!

Fuck. If I had knew about such a meeting at that time in Nijmegen. It’s just next to my city.

Can someone tell me the true resolution of these telescopes are and not some nonsense such as "twenty microarcseconds". How many pixels are they? The pictures I am seeing from them are around 1080x1620 pixels which is lower than a modern camera phone. Also since when has the electromagnetic spectrum been referred to as "resolution" and "archseconds", it makes no sense.

But they don't tell you that they this image from 6 pixels. LOL!

These guys would probably hate elon musk right now with his wanting 25000 satelites in orbit

Fucking amazing.

U gotta put a telescope in nz

👽Fiction has nothing on your reality.

how did someone come up with the square root of 27 ?????

@Kalumbatsch

4 жыл бұрын

Look up "The Escape of Photons from Gravitationally Intense Stars", Synge 1966

Speaking for the black holes what by telescope is observed is speaking nothing by what the black holes are performed. To know by what the black holes are performed is to know that the black holes do not exist at all, because except the human reason by no telescope or by no microscope can be ascertained what by invisibly behavior of the matter is performed.

its best time to use the scientist telescopes to find the mystery of space because the atmosphere is cleaner than ever becoz world is closed for corona virus 🦠

Namaste brother

beein in VLBI for a long time but i love th human bias thing

Thank god for science. Shep, would you and the EHT team consider running my joke country (the UK) for a while? You have form in doing impossible things.

@MetaphysicalAxiom

4 жыл бұрын

Has absolutely nothing to do with archaic concepts of God. Are you trying to dominate neurological real estate just like people have been doing with religion for centuries? Just a primitive R-complex pissing everywhere to mark territory? Science and God are not friends. Positive effects on our physical reality, very little should be attributed to religion in any way. It should not be respected nor revered and certainly not thanked. Religion was invented before we invented toilet paper. It's time to drop this fake as fuck culture and traditions. You don't know what you are, you don't know what others are. All identities are fake. Time to accept your ignorance and face the fears that come with it, like an adult. Being a delusional fake as fuck liability your whole life or enabling others or using the concept of God or religion as a honeydicking manipulation for the sake of social survival it's not only atrocious but dangerous. There is no acceptance of your behavior or of people's delusions. No more conformity. no more enabling people their psychological security blankets. Grow the fuck up.

Elon!!! Where you at bro!!!!! 😂

It's an impossible image.. completely make believe.

17:58 these two sucker kept on talking all throughout the speech... someone get them out plzz

This is a new level of paparazzi

@toddymcgann5856

3 жыл бұрын

You probably think the moon landing is fake, the wow signal is fake, and the earth is flat right?

Sir Shep try Elon Musks thousands satellites for your next virtual telescope

27:22 Make sure you get all the data correct first so it's not seen as fiction or dated in 100 years or so.

Fake date ? Animation ?Vitrtuel?is not a picture,it,s collect data .it is a so simple ? The universe still expend right . In his own words it is magic.

Wrong he imaged a energy around something they did not see. Thus it looked black therefore they think it must be a Black hole.

When a Noble Price winner makes a presentation of his/their discovery I hope to end up with more answers than questions. His was too much of a skeletal presentation which makes it a mockery of the work involved in the discovery.

@markbroadheaf1593

2 жыл бұрын

OK Einstein

cooling i justce 😎

Whoever does the audio setup? Please make sure that mics are clipped somewhere that it doesn't pick up clicks or other weird sounds that shouldn't be there. If need be, stop the presenter and fix the fucking mic. There has to be a technique you can apply that prevents this. So annoying.

Not an image or a photo, but rather a computer simulation!

Ever heard of a taurus? It's a thing.

Have you heard of a plasmoid. It's a thing.

Thanks god allah

Do most physicists agree that black holes are super dense spheres of mass (not unlike neutron stars or white holes, just more dense) that have become dense and massive enough that their event horizon diameter exceeds the sphere’s diameter, going black from our view? I think Einstein's wrong, that time is constant and that dark matter is the limiting factor to the speed of light. I think it’s not space-time bending but rather gravitational waves and a greater density of dark matter. The common illustration showing a flat plane turning into a cone drawn into a black hole at one point is simply incorrect and absolutely misleading. A black hole is a super dense sphere of mass and everything should be illustrated with its gravity pulling everything into its center of mass from all directions. Event horizons are spherical in shape, not round and 2D. Please do a video on how horribly incorrect those common illustrations are.

*Sorry but no cigar* This image (the new horizon telescope M87 image) is actually a computer generated image, it is not a photograph. The image construction was done by using radio telescopes data only (only radio spectrum) it is also known that in the process of creating this image a vast amount of data was judged to be just noise, and just Evey small part was selected to be of vaule. *Selective data processing in action.* Its a wonders what you can do, with just a one billionth of the data set received and computer graphics software, it's called *Data sculpturing!* Richard Feynman famous quote, “You must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” Unfortunately this is exactly what they've done, together with a gullible public.

@dirremoire

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo! Big Data science, isn't really science. It basically bypasses peer review since no reviewer is going to go line by line through the source code used to generate the result. Bottom line, you spend a billion dollars to image a black hole, and you damn well better get an image of a black hole.

Sorry guys. No black holes, no dark energy, no dark matter but keep on searching. Maybe you will realise someday.

@Stevethethird677

4 жыл бұрын

Any links to back up that claim?

@TheBureroger

4 жыл бұрын

Jǫrmungandr 18 14 A plasmoid would be my strongest bet.

@excelsistenz

3 жыл бұрын

that earth is flat? that earth is the center of the universe, like many priests said years ago?

@randymartin5500

2 ай бұрын

Where did you get your PhD and how long did that take to conclude your bullshit

There is no way possible to do this without calibrating the telescopes used simultaneously as they are being used, that did not happen. Also you created amplitude out of nothing, there was no amplitude, so you fabricated it. And the fringe steering data was left out. You show calibration for the FSD but not the actual data collected. The signal to noise ratio was also manipulated from almost non-existent to meet the needs of your fabricated claims. Nothing more than fabricated data from manipulated measurements, otherwise known as lies. Complete garbage.

Sorry Shemp, no black hole has been imaged. Only imagined.

@esv5182

4 жыл бұрын

They got you. Y'all sat back as the "experts", having contributed absolutely nothing, only insults. And they mopped the floor with your asses. That must be some serious butthurt you people are feeling right now.

Lol what a load of garbage

Earth is flat, God damm it! >:(

just give us the information without the comedy attempts

Do you believe in God? I believe Science more💞

@buildinit6523

4 жыл бұрын

SEE ABOVE COMMENT

@rubenanthonymartinez7034

3 жыл бұрын

“The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless,” the great theoretical physicist, and prolific author Steven Weinberg

@ramendramishra1360

3 жыл бұрын

@@rubenanthonymartinez7034 Thanks for this beautiful quotation 😊

@ramendramishra1360

3 жыл бұрын

And I believe that's the beauty of being human... You can question everything, explain certain things but yet be known to nothing 😅

@rubenanthonymartinez7034

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramendramishra1360 beautiful? I think not, this man is depressed. For this genius of a man sees the wonders of the universe, Yet he knows that he will die and disappear, and this is the end of it, these words are true for a hopeless person. For everything is pointless in a atheistic philosophy.

Earth is still flat

Einstein's or Newton's Gravity, it makes no difference, neither one of am is factual science, neither one has a physical connection to the physical universe, of which science should be, not some Space Bending myth .

@Kalumbatsch

4 жыл бұрын

What's your alternative?

@rayagoldendropofsun397

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kalumbatsch - Trapped gas molecules/Gas Bonding , and Energy Conservation. Unlike the mythical Gravity GAS BONDING is a physical act !

@Kalumbatsch

4 жыл бұрын

@@rayagoldendropofsun397 Gravity is due to trapped gas molecules? Sorry dude, how old are you?

@rayagoldendropofsun397

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kalumbatsch - Can U tell where Gravity began, it's origin ?

@rayagoldendropofsun397

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kalumbatsch - The machinisim of GAS BONDING totally destroys Einstein's space Bending and Newton's mythical Gravity. Including Newton's apple ! All downward falling motion begins when active rising gas molecules in motion as an ENERGY FLOW becomes trapped, and motionless within the process of making solid objects, which as solid objects with zero ENERGY FLOW of MOLICULAR MOTION can only fall downward. This is scientificly known as the mechanism of GAS BONDING, which take on a state of solid mass blocking out its electrons motion, it's fire power, thus becomes ENERGY LOCK lifeless dead gas molecules, and falls downward in real time, following it's Electrons Unlimited Potential Velocity at the speed of light connects with the earth ENERGY CONSERVATION SYSTEM, establishing a downward falling path for trapped ENERGY LOCK lifeless dead gas molecules/solid objects only. Equating the above FACT with the physical universe, same as Einstein's E = MC2 equates with the physical universe. E = ENERGY = MM = MOLECULE MOTION = Molecules in motion within star flames earth gases birds and balloons plains and rocket's, even us humans rise from molecules in motion creating an ENERGY FLOW, the ruling force of the universe. M = MASS = GB = GAS BONDING = Gas Bonding take on a state of solid mass blocking out its electrons motion, it's fire power, thus becomes ENERGY LOCK lifeless dead gas molecules, and falls downward in real time. C2 = LIGHT SPEED = E = ELECTRONS = Electrons Unlimited Potential Velocity at the speed of light connects with the earth ENERGY CONSERVATION SYSTEM, establishing a downward falling path for trapped ENERGY LOCK lifeless dead gas molecules/ solid objects only. Gravity is a mythical concept that's mentally applied by Newton, solely to guarantee needed results to it's point of origin , the BRAIN ! ====================== Unlike the mythical Gravity, Planets orbital motion is a physical act of ENERGY CONSERVATION in real time, conserving SUNLIGHT PHOTONS ENERGY to obtain and mentain it's orbital motion with upgrades in the now streamlining its Velocity and spacing . ==================== Water do not evaporate ! SUNLIGHT ENERGY splits the water molecules freeing the oxygen hydrogen gases, which then by its molecules in motion rise upwards into the atmosphere to again continue it GAS BONDING cycle making new water, which is now a state of solid mass with trapped gas molecules, and falls downward as RAINDROPS ! Temperature splits water molecules same as it does to solid burning object's seen as gas smoke rising.

you got a prize for false science?

@toddymcgann5856

3 жыл бұрын

Explain?

This is BS. They did not image anything. The calibrations made were without perfect knowledge and there were not enough points to justify their bullshit.

MIGHT......MAYBE..............2 BILLION LIGHT YEARS...............I AM NOT A SCIENTIST BUT IT SEEMS JUST LIKE RELIGION. A LOT OF PROBABILITIES

@excelsistenz

3 жыл бұрын

lol GPS is a religion then.. hahaha.. you know whats religion? Flat earthers...

Every thinking scientist in the world knows that Black holes do not exist yet listen to this recording of non science

@toddymcgann5856

3 жыл бұрын

Who are these “thinking” scientists you speak of?

@excelsistenz

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddymcgann5856 Flat earthers.. hahaha

@toddymcgann5856

3 жыл бұрын

@@excelsistenz lol haha

Fraud.