I'll remember this next time I need to drive my GTI on a frozen lake.

@markusvdt2540

3 жыл бұрын

Just commenting so you know that your comment did

@musicaddict458

3 жыл бұрын

Salty 🧂

@tylerclaypool3757

3 жыл бұрын

broke ass couldn't even afford a Golf R or S3 lmao

@TecraTube

3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerclaypool3757 the lulz are real

@4o7jo

2 жыл бұрын

666 likes for the vw gang

That "rabbit" sticker looks like an afterthought like Hans came running down from the conference room as GTIs were coming off the assembly line and he was like "dese autos are needing rabbitschticker!"

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@RaytheonNublinski

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. I do like that the name came back but it looked real dumb how they did it. Maybe some stitch work on the seats like you actually tried. It is a German car after all. Come on now. Made in Mexico or not it’s engineered by zee Germans. Real weird they’d let that slide.

@GibbysGarage15

5 жыл бұрын

@@RaytheonNublinski it's not a big deal, more of a joke. When I saw the car in person, the sticker just felt cheap and as if you could peel it off easily with your fingernail. The interior where there's usually an airbag tag on the seat, it says "rabbit" and is integrated nicely.

@K03sport

5 жыл бұрын

@@GibbysGarage15 ...it may feel cheap, but if that sticker needs to be replaced due to an accident it will most likely cost $50, or more, just like the hard emblems that were close to $100 so people didn't make 20thAE clones with the red GTI badges

@MultiWwefan

5 жыл бұрын

Why did I say this with an Arnold Schwarzenegger accent

Was that the drone expert from Storage Wars Canada S02E29 - Ursula Goes Banana. Nice 👍🏻

@DeeJayAdverb

5 жыл бұрын

this guy. lol

@HCChen86

5 жыл бұрын

Spot yuri! The straight pipes ~

@happycamperjack

4 жыл бұрын

I was like, wait a minute, that Yuri looks familiar! And wtf is storage wars? #straightpipes

I just wish they'd give the R a tiny little bit more aggressive styling here and there. Not as overdone and ridiculous as a Civic type R, but except for the exhaust tips and wheels, the GTI Looks like the sportier one.

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Agree. But i love the colours

@acchaladka

5 жыл бұрын

Actually I like the blasé thing on the R because it’s a monster for acceleration and the Golfyness looks, keeps the insurance premiums lower than the GTI - yes for real. What I want on the R is a cloth seat.

@nberkel

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Those GTI wheels look worlds better than the new R ones.

@stevegaspar

5 жыл бұрын

@@acchaladka really? I've got a GTI and was going to get the R. My insurance for the GTI is almost 1/2 than what the R would have cost me. Not sure how it would be different for you

@acchaladka

5 жыл бұрын

@@stevegaspar according to my insurance agent the GTI is stolen more often, possibly because it looks more naff. I was surprised too, but that makes sense to me. A few people have told me that the GTI looks more expensive and powerful to their non-car-obsessed eyes as well.

Owned both. R all day long. GTi great through corners but the power from the R is superb

@rayhilton9261

3 жыл бұрын

What years did you own?

Throttle House is the new deal on car journalism for me. Also, happy birthday James !

@jamesengelsman9369

5 жыл бұрын

Woooo thanks buddy!

@vaselinos5597

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t really consider paid promotions journalism...

Seriously, my new favourite channel. Definitely in top 3 (including thestraightpipes and car throttle)

And hat tip to Yuri from The Straight Pipes on a special appearance!

@perrolocoxexitoblog

4 жыл бұрын

The Yuriy's we like to drive cars!!

For the R, pull the ABS and stability fuses. The brake differential is what's killing your drive in the big drifts. Disconnecting the front sway bar helps too but is obviously more of a pain. Without the brake diffs it will be a little slower to put power down but it can do Ken Block level ice drifts all day!

3:24 it’s not just a tune that gives it more power. It has a completely different turbo then the gti.

@JacesOwnWorld

4 жыл бұрын

It’s actually a very similar turbo. Just bigger.

@chop2093

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. IHI IS 20 in the GTI, IHI IS 38 in the R

You guys and the Straight Pipes are my favorite automotive KZreadrs and it makes me so happy that you guys are friends 😂

@SyChO4Life

5 жыл бұрын

And Canadian!! (Except for the British dude obviously)

What was the point off this video? Are people buying Golfs to drift on ice? Or only to drift? Golf R feels faster on that surface. Isn't that the point off having R over normal GTI? If so, why there is no track time to compare them? I mean, I love all this great shots, I love the cars, but this video is kind a missed opportunity to actual answer the question: Is it OK to have normal GTI on the snow because you are not losing too much comparing to R version or not? Drifting is 1% of the use if ever, so that is pretty much pointless if other things are not answered.

@ragweedmakesmesneeze

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The more relevant...or rather, "interesting to me" test would be, which car handles better in slippery conditions, not which one is more fun to throw sideways. Do you need a Golf R, or is a GTI with winter tires a better choice? (anyway, isn't the answer, both go sideways fine, you just need slightly different techniques)

@OriginalRanger84

3 жыл бұрын

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze the R will be better in the snow no matter what. Awd will get you going and keep you going. But agreed on the point that it would be nice to hear how livable the gti is in the winter. My dad drives a little base mk4 golf and it does just fine 98% of the time in Alaska but I tested a tuned focus st and my first thought was that this has too much power to the front to be useable in the winter. So how would a performance pack gti with a tune dom

@grandcru701

3 жыл бұрын

VW has made it a point to show off their new 2022 Golf R as "the" drifting machine. Unbelievable.

I love that Cornflower Blue GTI! Seriously contemplating buying one

@ceez3841

5 жыл бұрын

Cornflower blue and the other limited colors feels like im driving a simpsons car. TBH the colors are horrid, Im getting a black rabbit personally. Was in the market for a GTI and I didn't even know the rabbit was out this year. Ended up making a financial decision and went with the downgraded trim in the rabbit, and really only getting it because it's cheaper than the Autobahn and SE but comes with R break calipers and descent looking rims, other than that the rabbit is a sad excuse of a limited model. If I had the extra funds I would just go with the Autobahn with performance package.

Man, I’ve been living in this province for almost two years now and haven’t found any frozen lake race tracks. I gotta up my game!

Couldn't tell on the GTI, but it definitely looked like the Golf R was on winter tires. Having owned a 2014 Fiesta ST in Northern New York, I can safely say that winter tires on any car makes a huge difference, and there's no reason you can't go out and hoon a FWD hot hatch in the winter as long as ground clearance isn't an issue. Here in the U.S. , the Golf R comes standard with summer tires and the GTI comes standard with all seasons. If you go out and try these maneuvers on these standard equipment tires in snow and ice, you will not have the same level of control. Unless you have Ken Block type of skills. Good video though, I like the channel. Just think you should mention what kind of tires were on these cars so folks don't get a false sense of security.

Very nice. You’re right the nannies still kick in when “off”. You have to code the system off and code increased traction on to have a more active rear (instead of reactive).

A dependable set of winter tires is more important on this kind of weather either fwd or awd

@scottparis6355

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. We had a blizzard here last night and the Blizzaks on my GTI got me to work just fine.

@FBI-yd6co

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Paris same but I have a golf 1.8t

A month into my new Gold R and I couldn’t be happier. Fun video.

Happy birthday James and awesome job guys!!! I absolutely love your videos and the humour that you put into them. You have become my go to KZread channel to check out cars, especially as you are in Canada and get what it is to live here!!! I love cars too! Great job! Keep it up! Cheers. Jorge

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks jorge

The difference between the motors in the GTI and R are a lot more than just a tune, the turbo and internals such as exhaust cams, pistons, rods, etc is what makes them a lot different

I literally want all their episodes on Netflix.

Throttlehouse has crossed tailpipes with the straightpipes love it

Very informative! Thanks. If you want real AWD... the system is the R is the best I guess for snow/ice

Soooo... you're saying AWD is more fun & better handling than FWD? Who'd have thought...

@hondasarefaster5914

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is awd is not more fun and better handling than fwd. How many awd do you see beat a fwd Honda type r on the track...thought so.

That's all great news that the GTI will drift on the top of frozen lake almost as good as the R. What I wanna know is can the GTI plow itself from a parking spot blocked by the snow bank after a major snow storm in Chicago nearly as good as my R32 can?

@stevekirkey1677

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps with the trick front diff

@cmalone25ify

2 жыл бұрын

No it definitely can't I have a mk7.5 gti and it sucks in winter time don't get me wrong I love the car but in winter snow fall the car sucks

@BucoBucolini

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmalone25ify as much as I love GTIs, I'd have a hard time going to the FWD now. I can't afford the new R either so this R32 will wait its EOL in my hands.

@cmalone25ify

2 жыл бұрын

@@BucoBucolini I feel ya man I'd love an r so idk what I'm gonna do come this winter I'm considering a subaru but I have a struggle trusting the motors on wrx/sti

@nahumburca3448

2 жыл бұрын

@@BucoBucolini cant you just get like a a3 or a4 with awd and the 2.0t

4:38 is golden. Nice Power Sliding 👍

I may eventually be convinced the GTI can be as good as the R on a closed circuit but in real world conditions it is not realistic (and safe) to try to enter too fast in curves to provoke power oversteer on any public roads. For that reason and because of every acceleration from a stop in wet or snow the R is hands down the top dog.

@brianreardon7700

5 жыл бұрын

Snow tires on any front wheel drive car will do just fine ...awd is over rated on any car! I have had 6 gti s and one golf r .. over 28 years in New England..if you did not know.. it snows a lot here lol... and the gti with good snow tires dose just as well than my golf r did with snow tires! Just don't get too cutesy lol

@lagerace227

5 жыл бұрын

In an area that’s flat, sure a GTI is great. Living in the mountains 🇨🇦 of British Columbia, All the FWD’s in my neighbourhood including my GLI and other GTI’s can’t make it up the street. Got sick of fighting winter, now have Golf R and Tiguan .Storm Troopers they are 😉

@RaytheonNublinski

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Reardon My GTI was a snow beast when I lived up north. I have no clue other than standing starts why you’d want awd on the street. GTI all day long.

@victorvorng3070

5 жыл бұрын

FWD is perfectly fine and safe for most winter conditions with good tires, but it is HALF the fun

@RaytheonNublinski

5 жыл бұрын

Victor Vorng Yeah nobody actually does that with their R though. Just like nobody takes their SUV off-road. If you don’t need it don’t buy it. That said the new GLI autobahn for 30 grand is a steal so I don’t even care anymore. If I was buying something I’d get that thing no question.

just finding your channel and liking the content, PT Cruiser DM sent!haha

You guys seriously kill me!! The best. And thanks for more VW’s!

AWD is definitely a must!

@jimmywoo7875

4 жыл бұрын

Its not awd its 4motion same same but diffrnt

@serpico1375

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmywoo7875 its a reactive awd system

From the title of this video, I thought you guys were going to compare Golf FWD and 4Motion in real world driving with traction control engaged. Because you know.....we spend a lot of time driving on occasionally icy and wet roads in Missouri. Instead what I saw was a Hoonigan drifting comparison between these cars.

@donw758

5 жыл бұрын

J. Christopher Wehrle same thought I had

@foolioxcoolio997

5 жыл бұрын

lot of us actually live in this type of weather so this is a good insight. This ain't just about you buddy.

Its my birthday today as well! Happy birthday to you too! Great video. I had the 2013 GTI driver's edition. What a great car that was.

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday Francisco!

I nearly crashed my R in the snow going only 15 mph around a corner. As soon as the front slipped the rear kicked in sending the rear out across the road,this probably wouldn't Of happened in the gti. Good job it only snows once a year but rains alot. Off the mark in the rain is amazing.

The wheels were hypnotic in slow mo 😎

Makes me love my R even more

*cracks knuckles* Finally a target for my 6gb collection of PT Cruiser pics.

Yes...the Golf R is fun...way more fun. Worth every penny more here in Canada than the GTI. I am loving it.

I'm actually surprised you don't have as many subscribers as many other auto focused channels. Good stuff guys!

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

We are just getting warmed up!

@jasons2697

5 жыл бұрын

Its because Throttle House put out professional quality material and videos, unlike the "norm" of just people putting out lame vlogs, which seems to be what kids like to watch on KZread more. I prefer these kind of videos that Throttle House puts out much more than the other stuff.

Just love your intros... and da rest too of course

I own a golf R , but I also love the GTI ... love both always will always have ....❤️

My touareg was pretty simular to the golf R on ice! I went to an ice racing school with the touareg, and it's fun

GTI was on all-season-tires while the Golf R was on snow tires. Talk about unfair advantage!

That GTI spec is top😁

It's also a matter of not having chains. Awd cars with snow tires are not illegal on the road when chains are required. Also when I got my golf r, I punched it in the snow and the awd sorted it out and I took off. It is one of the most well rounded cars I've ever driven and you can easily make it more aggressive and keep all the practicality.

Love my Mk7 GTI, but I wouldn't mind the AWD for better launches!

So sick!

This is exactly the video I've needed... good possibility of moving from Long Island to Colorado and literally wanted to know how these do in such conditions. Want the Rabbit

@fartman10284

5 жыл бұрын

Better be buying snow tires and chains, two things you don't typically need in a Long Island winter

Very nice in blue !

What more do you need on a regular basis?? A MANUAL TRANSMISSION, that's what. ;-)

Honestly if you just put some decent tires on the GTI, that drastically improves the traction and overall handling. The stock Hankook tires are bad.

@rafaelmillan5800

4 жыл бұрын

ArcadianGenesis what tires do you recommend?

@ArcadianGenesis

4 жыл бұрын

@@rafaelmillan5800 I'm running Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, but any decent summer performance tire will be a noticable improvement.

Love the little elf hat this guy has on 😀. Where can I find a frozen lake to have this much fun in my Golf R?

The Rear wheels only work in golf r if the front wheels slip. Other than that it's a fwd car. You can add a clutch pack and tune that adds more power to the rear

In the rs3 you can switch out electronic interference completely, might be a better match up to the R. I’ve had them all at some point, and they’re all awesome cars!

@Courtesyflush52

Жыл бұрын

RS3 also costs $15k more than the R. that's 60k starting price

Mazda please put the turbo in the 3 for the best of both worlds for much cheaper.

To be honest what car enthusiast doesn’t hate the pt cruiser

Not many people actually try to snow drift in their GTI or R. I'll save u all some time. They are both excellent winter or summer cars as long as you drive them appropriately and with the correct tires. I've owned 3 GTIs, a Golf and the mk7 R. Also a 4motion Passat. The Passat is significantly better for traction in the winter than the R, but it's a different AWD system and much heavier than the R. The GTIs are perfect as well, but you don't have as much GO when in deep snow or icey conditions. The GTI will spin at full throttle in the snow. The R will bite in and rocket ahead.

I did a 4 wheel drift in my brothers golf R and...crashed it. He wasn't pleased. Loving this channel! Also happy birthday James it's mine too

I get that the front wheel drive is all you need, but where I live there is snow/ice on the ground for at least 6 months of the year, so the extra money for the gold R is well worth it for me. Not only for the extra fun but just the safety/convenience of the AWD on bad winter roads. If I lived in Texas however maybe I would have taken the gti.

Saw a 2000 DX Hatch 5sp at the NoFrills parking lot in awesome condition. Just seeing it, I wanted to snatch it up, drop-in all the strut bars and springs/shock combo. With 2400lb, front double wishbone, awesome steering and 103 inch wheelbase, it's going to get twice as much use from the same traction. If you want to bully the Golf R with a front drive on ice, throw that old-school setup at it.

Great video! I've been waiting for a comparison of the two in the snow for a long time. It would've been a much better review if it was a comparison of the two in daily winter snow driving. I'm a Golf R owner myself, but sometimes I wonder if a GTI would suffice for Canadian winter if I remove the 4 Motion out of the equation.

@jamesengelsman9369

5 жыл бұрын

With winter tires the GTI would do you just fine.

@Edwin_Lam

5 жыл бұрын

James Engelsman Thanks! When the R becomes too expensive to maintain, I will make the move.

The colour choices you get, so much better than the UK!

@alextegg3838

5 жыл бұрын

a Bliss In Australia we get about 5 or 6 colours for the R and GTI. I wish we got the UK’s colour choices out here!

The Golf R is in my opinion not worth the extra cash. All wheel drive sounds good, but in reality it's a FWD car that can put a little power to the rear wheels, and at no time more than 50%. That is because its a Haldex system, it helps with traction issues but it's not fun to drive and does not feel like an AWD car, because most of the time it isnt.

@_pewpew_

5 жыл бұрын

alpenjodel24 do some quick long coding with OBDEleven or Vagcom and you can have AWD all of the time

@MrMduchesne23

5 жыл бұрын

@@_pewpew_ yep and be prepared to change the haldex fluid every 15k instead of 60k

@alpenjodel24

5 жыл бұрын

Sanj Sangha but again only up to 50% to the back wheels, in reality a bit less like around 40%. Thats just the physical limitations of a haldex transmission.

@_pewpew_

5 жыл бұрын

mitchell duchesne haldex requires a change way before that for even a stock car, but you’re right in saying that. I did mine on a stage 2 (since 1500kms) R at 28k and the filter and fluid was pretty good. You gotta pay to play.

@_pewpew_

5 жыл бұрын

alpenjodel24 that’s fair, it’s louder but worked pretty well for people in our club but it consumes a lot more gas. Can’t win.

This is strong and beautiful Golf 7.5 I have one Lovely Car..

@3:48 moisture build-up in headlamp

Good video but you should change locations like a regular floor not only snow

I used to have a 2000 GTi VR6 but I sold because the stability control can never be turned completely off (in it's stock form of course). Since I wasn't interested in trying to override or bypass the system, I sold it and bought a Subaru. Stability control aside, it was a very fun car and made a great sound from the engine.

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Realizing a car can’t fully defeat traction control is like ordering a chocolate sunday but then being given a single scoop of soft yogurt

man that looks fun! :D

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

It kinda was

golf r haldex is underrated.. I love my mk6R. ive done some gnarly drifts in the rain once or twice lol

Testing awd vs fwd in the snow.... makes total sense. /s

You guys are hilarious love the videos best on KZread. And we’re just gonna keep with the hat and hair flip hanging out I can look past it though bc your videos are so good

@ThrottleHouse

5 жыл бұрын

Never gonna stop. every time I wear a hat now 😉

I think the VW Golf won me over. I'm just getting into cars a lot lately and I think for utility the Golf is perfect.

I had an 18 GTI with an APR tune and a 19 Alltrack with APR tune and i preferred the Alltrack. The GTI was definitely quicker but it was very irritating just spinning the tires and not being able to put the power down at low speeds. So basically i need a Golf R powered Alltrack 👌🏼

Yes, I wouldn't be without the 4wd!

Can't say I've noticed the rear wheels adding any traction in my R, although I would add that there's not many frozen lakes in London to really try sliding it. Love the car though, it's a terrific vehicle as a daily drive

@GUITARTIME2024

4 жыл бұрын

Awd helpful in rain?

I'd really like to see a 4motion sportwagen on that ice. Are those videos incoming?

VSC is never fully off. You need to do the peddle trick to get it off for good. But only lasts until you turn the car off

I want a focus rs with vw build quality and interior.

These intros are so shot. You guys are hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣

looking at the tracks////more than a few times getting the shot

Snow tires and a GTI, like you said it all you need. about 8-10k more for a golf r for a tune and awd, ehhhhh.

Time flies

You forgot to mention the Golf R runs a larger Is38 turbo, oil cooler, and forged internals. :)

Do the ST and RS!

Save 18k and get then GTI. Yes. Great review.

That answer is yes.

So, my goal in having AWD is having more traction, not necessarily having more fun when I force the car to lose traction? I have an older FWD A3, which is very similar to a GTI, and I find that it’s pretty easy to spin the wheels when accelerating on wet pavement.

This questionnkeeps me awake, every single night.

hmm.. is a nearly 300 hp awd golf r more fun (on any track) than a gti... that's a tough one

Many Golf R owners started with a GTI before moving up to an R. Once you get an R, there's no going back to a GTI (no one wants to deal with front-end wheel hop/spinning after experiencing AWD). The advice I give peope who are trying to decide between the two is this: just spend the extra money and get the R. It's the superior version and you'll feel the difference in power and GRIP in dry, wet and snowy weather. And a simple stage 1 tune will get you close to 400 hp and the AWD can handle it beautifully. You'll also get most of that extra money back on resale since the R really hold their value (and are also quite limited at least in North America).

Where are you guys situated usually? I bounce back from Peterborough and Norfolk County for school :P and you’re normal vids kinda give a Norfolk vibe :P

That problem on almost all VW group cars is that even when u turn off dsc it keeps coming back

We dont buy the AWD R to drift on an ice lake. We buy it for all around better traction in rain and ice.. and to keep from shredding our front tires every time we pull into traffic..

@GUITARTIME2024

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of tire spin without it in GTI?

Why did VW add digital gauge cluster screens on the Golf R (which was canceled) but still have analog gauge clusters on the 2019 GTI?!

Here in nc, more rain than snow...

I have the same Golf R but I like the cornflower blue GTI look better 😅

Yeah... the famous Montreal forest and lakes 😂 Where was that ?

hi... I have realy fun with my GTI. Does the rabbit manual or electronic handbrake??

Opening scene: *50,000 people used to live here, now its a ghost town*

now do that in an Alltrack...for science and show that ice/snow is the great equalizer showing you don't need GTI//R levels of power to have fun.

previous model year Golf R was 292 HP, now they are showing 288 HP. Same engine, did they detune it more?