I've owned both cars. The Mazda is faster and handles better. The Honda has a FAR superior transmission and is cheaper to own and operate. Both great in their own ways.

@theshonen8899

8 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. The Mazda shifter (while no Honda) is still fucking fantastic and the car is insanely reliable.

@mitchellmeyer4177

6 жыл бұрын

do you still hold up to the reliability claim? probably buying a gen2 speed soon.

@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268

3 жыл бұрын

theshonen8899 it is better tho my Mazdaspeed3 has a cable for the clutch

@philipma7185

Жыл бұрын

is the ownership cost significant?

You guys should definitely do a comparison between the new Mazda 3 2.5 which makes more torque but a little less hp and the Civic SI. Both with summer tires

Omg. I've seen this video like 8 years ago had no idea who that race car driver was but recognized his voice from Speedacademy. Love that channel.

This was a great review, all the points where well made.

no comparison the todays civic is a small accord for the masses.its surprisingly cheaper then I thought.Honda cant make a bare knuckle bruiser from the factory and sell them like hotcakes so from a business standpoint Hondas just giving the vast market what it wants.ive made my mind up im getting the mazdaspeed 3.

I have a 2013 civic si and I actually really love it. The only things that sucked about it, (and im REALLY picky about cars), was the premium audio system's low end bass response. It was truly garbage compared to other cars in it's class. So, I just threw in a low profile and compact alpine mrv-m500 amp and an alpine sws-d4 12" type-s sub in a compact ported enclosure; problem more-than solved. Second thing that pisses me off is the insanely close-ratio gear box. I mean, you'll literally shift four times before you hit 38mph! It's just annoying and not necessary for the actual performance capabilities of the engine. Also, the final drive gear (6th) is advertised as a long 'over drive' gear which "allows for low RPMs in highway cruising", but that's anything BUT true. In fact, at 70mph, I'm running about 3,200RPM and at 80mph, nearly 4,000rpm. As a result, a realistic crusing top speed is NO MORE than 75mph if you want to save the life of your engine and your fuel tank. Also, this reduces top speed to about 100 mph at nearly 6,000rpm. Unfortunately, there's no cheap fix for this major annoyance. Apart from those two things, I LOVE the car!

@Tcho2100

7 жыл бұрын

Chris Ashby still hav the Si?

@patrickeddy.

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Ashby would love to ask you about the sub you threw in.... even tho this comment was made 4 years ago lol. I’ve got a ‘14 civic and would like a bit more bass out of my car

I drive this track all the time!! nice seeing some local content!

To me the MS3 fits a weird niche between the Si and better cars. If you have the money, a WRX comes with AWD and similar power. It generally gets better time attack numbers as well.

mazda is great with chassis, handling is amazing for FWD and hatchback makes the car so practical mazda know how to make "fun to drive" cars

Fair comparison would've been SI VS GTI and Speed3 VS WRX.

@drumsolofromintheairtonigh5450

8 жыл бұрын

+King Jack Sorry for the late reply, but the WRX is AWD and the MS3 is FWD so it would be an unfair comparison. However, in the future, when the current Gen Mazda 3 gets its speed counterpart, Mazda is saying it'll be AWD. That's when it will be fair to compare it to the WRX.

@Sn0w_Official

7 жыл бұрын

while it would be an unfair comparison its not gonna stop me from beating more subarus in my speed 3 left and right

@quintschumable

6 жыл бұрын

I agree it is unfair as the speed3 has more torque, stiffer chassis, stiffer suspension, better seats, shorter gearing with a more precise gearbox, and costs less then the wrx. The wrx would not have any shot of beating a speed3 apart from 0-60 test numbers. So you're right it is unfair.

@jenzim3639

6 жыл бұрын

my speed takes out wrx and sti

great video! thanks!

For instance I was talking with my honda rep and he had a friend that bought an S2000. Modded it totally out to where it was basically a racecar. In the 4 years he owned it he told me he blew the motor up 3 times because he was pushing the engine way too far with the mods. Finally he listened to his friend the honda rep, and moved on to a more powerful more expensive car.

Why would you compare these? The mazdaspeed is way out of the civics league. This is disrespectful to the mazdaspeed 3 haha.

@jonywopo

6 жыл бұрын

Cdubspeed3 yet I’m gapping speed 3s left and right and I only have a intake with a street tune lol

@abemazy8511

6 жыл бұрын

Vera Si your Honda shitcar cannot beat a speed 3 stock idc how aggressive your tune is lmao

@jonywopo

6 жыл бұрын

Abe Mazy without a tune they still don’t pull away, they’re slow boats

@jonywopo

6 жыл бұрын

Abe Mazy small little turbo doesn’t do shit to those 2.3 engines

@jonywopo

6 жыл бұрын

Abe Mazy I’ll post a video of me racing a speed 3 2012 on my KZread soon

The speed 3 premium stereo is amazing. The Honda has a shit stereo but an amazing sat nav. You could go on and on...

@SelimxBradley

8 жыл бұрын

saying the speed's stereo is amazing is a bit of a stretch imo. hah

AGHHHH! I didn't realize I subscribed to a Canadian Channel!!! : O

This was filmed in Cayuga at Toronto Motorsports Park!!!!! :D

What Mazda never has or at least has not had since the RX-7 is design. All their cars look horrible, the MS3 has that bug tail lights thing going on which has never looked good. If the Civic was turbo'd as well, it would shit on the MS3.

Mah-zz-Duh Not Maa-zz-da

@Catcrumbs

8 жыл бұрын

According to whom?

@beetfarmer8933

8 жыл бұрын

+Catcrumbs Americans who properly speak the language.

@Catcrumbs

8 жыл бұрын

Tracie Lyons Japanese?

@xGSFxGoat

7 жыл бұрын

It's Mazda, not Mawzdaw

Great episode, but please do something about the wind noise. I don't care if I see a big mic with a wind sock but cleaner sound is much easier to listen too.

2000 Integra before and honestly I do miss it because I felt like I was sitting right on the pavement, It handled extremely well, nothings better for weaving highway traffic. Car was built really well to, Lasted to 180k and I did most of the maintenance myself. Now I have a speed 3 Its fun but not as comfortable, handling is good but tricky. Also I live in a crowded city now so few chances to really push it. Hard ride with no chance to floor it. Overall I like my MS3 but LOVED my old GSR.

Why is he pronouncing Mazda like that?

@SelimxBradley

8 жыл бұрын

because Canada

This is not a fair comparison ...turbocharged to non turbocharged hmmm ok...now throw a turbo on the civic an it will blow the doors off that MS3!!!!

@stough77 I DO agree with that. It's still a glaring difference in performance value though since they cost about the same off of the lot (at least here in Alberta they do).

If you purchase the 2012 Si you will love it. It is a great car.

hard to compare the Mazdaspeed with the Civic Si. The Honda could compete with the VW GTI in terms of price and performance, and with reliabilty factor stay clear of VW

if only the civic was rwd

@kildli

10 жыл бұрын

if only the ms3 was AWD

@djtraintxk

10 жыл бұрын

jae choi If only the Mazda would be worth $5000 in 2024. #CarTruth

@ZalaProductions

10 жыл бұрын

djtraintxk what is that even supposed to mean?

@chris-love

10 жыл бұрын

ZalaProductions It's supposed to mean that mazda's don't hold NEARLY the value after 10 years that a honda can and will.

@jaechoi5124

10 жыл бұрын

djtraintxk what does it have to do with performance?

I've driven the Gen 8's and like them but I will be looking for a 13' model here around summer. I drive a base cobalt now and have been since 08 and am looking to upgrade.

I have that same Mazda color same gear and I love it I almost got the rx8 but drove the Speed3 and loved it,I was trading from a 03 Cobra so it was hard!! But I wanted at 8 year warr !!!

This guy is way too biased to the Si..Not a helpful comparisn

@TommyBlazeHD

8 жыл бұрын

He was not biased. He said the motor didn't make the notice the previous version did, it was sprung too soft, and felt beaver in the corners due to the suspension. He said the transmission was better, and the brake pedal felt better. That was not biased, but an honest opinion. Do you think that you might be biased subconsciously...?

i love how this host has a hardon for the civic and he keeps trying to lead the guy to the honda and get him ti praise it. The fact is the mazda is just a better car, even if the nerdy host is a fanboi. Nothing worse than an unbiased host doing a camparo.

@GhadSpeed

6 жыл бұрын

Draceb it is not the better car. Lol quit smoking laced weed.

Mazdaspeed 3 > Civic si........no shit!...when I first saw this video title i literally thought it was a joke, p.s....its hilarious how these cars are priced the same

thank you!! much more respect outta the vw world!

@Kolyan24k Exactly. And to me even that still sounds high without aftermarket parts

I'm just happy Honda has a car in this class still.

@philipchan2008 the same can be said about the MS3 with light mods.

@mmdaniels33 that depends on the motor, the f20c s2k motor holds up to 15 psi on stock internals which is more then the sti is boostn stock. Any motor thats high compression is gonna have those issues, but thats where u replace head gaskter, valve seals, springs, etc..., its not hard 2 do, and not expensive, its like that with every high compression motor. But hondas are known to handle alot of boost on stock motors, as for toyotas as well, besides Im saving up for the new ft-86, dream car.

This one was over before it even began.

Honda and Mazda are my favourite brands although i own a honda prelude :)

Both good cars... Own an 8th gen si, and love the thing, vtec screams and handling is great. If only it had more torque. I plan on buying something turbo down the road.

Good choice and congrats, I'm a bit jealous...

@KoukiMS6 (2) So making MY assumption, they're travelling slow enough so that the 2 second gap as mentioned in the video, is not as large as the one made in your assumption of the cars travelling roughly 100 miles an hour.

When you think about it, the Mazda's design was introduced in 2008, nearly 5 years ago, and it goes to show how far their design was ahead considering it still competes against modern rivals.

@PumpUPdaBase I got a GTI for $23,700 and tuned it to have 253hp and 303tq with an ECU flash. Even with the $600 tune the total cost was still below invoice :D

@mgibbs88 FYI, when he says Mazda, it really means Mozda in U.S. english.

Glad I got the 2011 civic si

nice!!! love the speed 3

i'm a die hard Honda fan, but in honesty, that new Si is just a compact car with a sport badge on it. there aren't too many things actually sporty about it. comparing a turbo to a NA is never really fair, in terms of lap times, but mad respect to the Mazdaspeed lineup. they're great cars.

@PumpUPdaBase Taxes and fees came to about $2000. The GTI isn't really a sports car by any measure so it shouldn't cost you any more to insure than a typical econo-box. As far as performance, it's between the Si and MS3, closer to the MS3. But in terms of refinement and cabin quality its up there with Audi and BMW. Even in a base model GTI nothing feels cheap.

My friend Matt owns the MS3 and He runs an e85 tune on methanol. I own the 2012 Si Sedan and I have dropped around 9k into it, completely redone the suspension - Buddy club coils, sway bars, tie bars, chassis brace and I also have a few mods such as I/E/Flashpro, Short throw shifter, pulley kit, Hasport engine mounts. His car is faster in a straight line but their is a mountain around here that we like to run and I can stay right on his ass all the way up. Overall for performance he has the better car but I will say that My car is way more fun to drive. I have never had anyone get out of the Si without a smile on their face. We also run that mountain with a 2015 focus st, 2005 sti, 2012 Gti, Trail blazer SS, Rx8, and a 2014 wrx and none of them can catch either of us.

i drove both of these cars and wound up buying a 2013 mazdaspeed3. im not saying one is better.. but i recommend driving them. you will choose the mazda

The breaks on the Mazda are pretty sensitive. First time I drove mine I would slam the breaks when I only meant to slow down a little haha. You get used to it though and it becomes something you enjoy because you can break better if you need to.

honestly, no lie I gathered a crowd on the parking lot in Oakville with my Si coupe, sometimes its not about the numbers, its about the racing soul, . . . . this Si, unlike the 8th, has soul! FTW!!!

love the mazda!

The style of the presenters worked well. The discussion point for both cars informative and focused on what I wanted to hear. Shame the two cars compared were not more similar. IMHO, There needs to be a bigger difference in lap times than 2sec (out of 90-100sec) for there to be a clear winner.

@luminaeus Nice! how much was after taxes stickers and fees? and how much is the insurance on a gti?

@willneverstop im not knowing well about this, is civic si just like a civic sport? its not a type r,right?

Looking foward to one day owning a Civic si. Just got to wait til I'm 60+ years old and i've lost my nerve for fast cars.

Agreed, I actually got back from deployment last fall, and I was looking for a new car and test drove both the SI and Speed3. I will admit the clutch on the 3 takes a bit to get used to, but it is a blast to drive. And going off jsmorel86's comment, all of these people complaining why they compared a turbo vs. aspirated, it was the compact sports car comparison, and price range, and clearly the speed3 just gives you more power for the money. Also, looks are subjective, not objective.

@RamirezRobertoPerez not the 4 cylinder version... but then with the v6 version you would have to compare it against the v6 mustang or an STI or EVO

BAhahaha! He's wearing a Top Gear shirt!! Made my day!

@MisterWordman Ever heard of the Leon Cupra?

Greatest T-Shirt of ALL TIME.

I bought one of the first Mazdaspeed3's ever made in October of 2006. I thought it was sort of ugly, but it was so damn fun to drive; nimble, and stinkin' fast. After a handful of speeding tickets, track days at VIR, and 173,000 miles, it's still a blast. Gas mileage -- high 20's when I can keep my foot out of the boost.

@stratsteveo106

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 speed3 and love VIR. Speed on buddy

have a 2005 rsx type s and it has been a lemmon since I bought it. I have replaced the engine,transmission and am on my second clutch and just today spent 600 bucks on my exhaust system. Really really disappointed in my Type 7. Even wrote to Acura and said it didn't seem that that much should have gone wrong with it but heard nothing at all from them. Looking to buy the Mazda speed3.

I recently bought the Speed3. Love the handling and love the gearbox. Mine is with tech package and it was $23640. I don't think you will get so much of a car with that money as the MS3; neither Honda nor Subaru.

@Tupples1 And the MS3 and GTI have similar packages with even more power. What's your point? The vast majority will not tune their car.

I smoked a tailgating genesis coupe back when my speed was stock.

@ScorpiosBite1 I thought the comparison was quite logical...they are both the stock high-performance edition of two mainstream compact cars. What's not relevant is finding some sort of turbo Si and comparing to a stock MS3.

@dogydoyo many don't like the new 2.4. The screaming K20Z3 was pretty cool you have to admit.

@furious94ls dont forget the preludes, loved them too! Those amazing days in HS are gone:( But now im older and can afford the other cool cars out there that are Non honda! I never thought id say that.

I was looking at both these cars and decided to go with the Si. Reason was all my honda's have treated me really well mechanically when maintained right. All have been totaled or sold when done with them. And a coworker had a Mazda3 Speed and Tranny blew up at 35,000 miles. That kinda drove home I may wanna settle for just adding a few parts to make my Si the best then going with a mazda or another brand I'm not familiar with. Honda parts are easy to get and last forever though and that was big.

Now these cars are comparable in terms of TORQUE. Great video against to that video I've seen comparing an Audi A4 against a Kia Forte.

This would be even more interesting to throw a Ford Focus ST in the comparison test when they come out...

i take that comment back mazda is pretty cool looking

What is the song at the beginning of the video?

true. The Civic FD2 Type R is amazing!

lol the drivers t shirt "I am the Stig" haha

@ScorpiosBite1 u missed the point with other 16 ppl who thumbed up if u slap a turbo in the honda it won't be the same price anymore but even there if u slap a turbo the suspension will still need to be upgraded.

I came to this video last week to research the Civic Si. Then I went out and bought the Mazdaspeed3.

My Mechanic said same thing bro, and he's steered me right for 20 years. From my Silverado, Z-28, to my civics.

Colum Wood? Didn't he work for ConsumerReports as well?

Got to love Mazda

@ColdNapalm42 you could probably get the same power from other engines like srt4's, cobalt ss,evo's,sti's, etc. you might even be able to get more but honda engines are known to last and its amazing how much power you could get without rebuilding the motor.Its the power to weight ratio that gets them to do 10 and under in quarter mile. Not saying there the best cars but its amazing what car enthusiasts do with them.

@Xcorgi I don't know how true you could say that is. I have a Mazdaspeed6 with 98k all original miles (and counting), all put on by me. I've had no major issues with the car other than having to fix the rear driver's side axle because of a pothole I hit. Of course that has nothing to do with reliability and more my not seeing the pothole and the sheer force messing up the axle... the same of which can happen in a Honda.

I do partially agree with you. But they are also a direct comparison price wise. If you want a civic with zing i would still say take a look at the basic mazda 3. the basic 3 felt considerably quicker than the honda civic for daily driving under 4k rpm and in the corners when i test drove them, but also the mazda 3 was cheaper to get the same type of features such as power windows, power locks, and a sun roof. as for reliablity they are about the same. it honestly boils to personal preference

it already offer more than what others have

'Value' is somewhat subjective. I like speed and handling, but needed practicality at an affordable price. So for me, the MS3 was it. And for reasons I outlined before, I don't buy the argument that Hondas are more reliable. Today, the majority of cars will last if taken care of. My MS3 is going on 7 years. Still pulls strong as ever. No oil leaks, no turbo issues, no engine issues.

Now imagine what would happen to those 1/10's if you installed a turbo and proper exuast on the Si. I would say do the same for the MS3 but its all ready maxed out.

I had a 2.0 SI and just replaced it with a 2013 MS3 w/tech. These cars hardly belong in a comparison together. The tightly sprung and communicative MS3 devours the slalom at 72+ MPH, brakes like a banshee (no idea where the wooden comment is coming from), and puts a smile on your face in a straight line. My wife's Camry V6 with 4 passengers walks my Si like it's a minvan. Honda *must* do something to address the lack of power or they risk dropping out of the sport compact segment.

@Mycoughlin its happy because its faster that a lot of cars for the price!

I have a 2010 Speed and it will demolish this SI...in fact I have several times. However, I think the Si is a really nice car and have been considering getting one because I drive my car a lot for work and want better mileage yet want something that's still fun to drive. I love the interior on it too.

Dude was tailgating on my drive to work and I was stuck behind traffic. Anyway right before road opened up to 4 lanes, i put it in 5th. When it opened up going uphill i nailed it. Wasn't even close. But, those things are heavy with the v6 not making much more hp than the speed.

Relax, the updated/refreshed civic lineup is coming soon.

It even beats the NSX, EVO VI, RX-7 and the GTR on the Suzuka circuit in Japan.

What 2012 type R in america are you referring to? The SI is the sporty model just like the mazda speed 3. Honda's arent better by comparison very often.

My speed3 has 160,000 km/ 6year warranty/ roadside assistance. My repair costs are quite low. Quite. (I haven't had any yet, but I'm well covered, is what I'm saying)

@TheJuniorCop You missed my point. My comment was to get people to think about more than "2 secs" (which is actually closer to 2.6 secs.). People were saying "it has a turbo and only won by 2 seconds?!" using only time to judge distance. And my point wasn't to say they are doing 100mph, my point was that 2 seconds could be slaughter depending on how fast they were going. My 350hp Mazdaspeed6 is "only 2 seconds" behind a Z06 in the 1/4 mile. Might not sound that bad.

@rforracing Considering the power difference, 2 seconds is pretty close.

I got a 12 which is the same except for new interior. You'll love it. Kills stock stangs so don't get scared unless a shelby or GT pulls up next to you.

@DenverJohnBradley wait a second... you do know that the mazda is turbocharged with over 60 more horespower and the honda is natrualy aspirated with 201hp right ?