You guys should do this with the 2018 BRZ and the 2018 Civic Si HFP Coupe.

@americanttm9889

5 жыл бұрын

@random tv 1 rent

BRZ for RWD Fun and the Civic Si for an All-around practicality. Can't go wrong with either, what I would love to see is a BRZ with a K24.

@mikea5205

8 жыл бұрын

BRZ with a K24 is full of win.

@raiyan4212

8 жыл бұрын

That's a new S2000.

@jeffholbrook7411

7 жыл бұрын

k20*

@admirkaralic7209

7 жыл бұрын

Jeff Holbrook K24 ;) more efficient and may get more power out of it.

@royvazquez5892

4 жыл бұрын

@@admirkaralic7209 you can make more power out of k20. K24 are wierd

Red floor mats gives at least 5 more hp

The man drivingvthe brz has a track suit with a honda logo! LOL

@haseebchowdhury4307

8 жыл бұрын

+yadvinder gakhal i was looking for someone to say this

Test drove both cars and due to practicality and a sunroof I had to go with my 2014 Si HFP. I absolutely LOVE my Si. besides at 6'2" the BRZ was way too small

@KingOfEden12

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with the height thing. I have a 15 Si and my girlfriend has a 16 frs and i have MUCH better headroom in the frs compared to my Si and I'm only 5'11. I also tend to have my seat upright which doesn't make it any easier but still more clearance in the FRS. I think it's mostly due to the much lower seating position in the FRS

Thumbs up for the civic...maybe it's because I have one

good review, thx for taking the effort to equal out the cars as best you could.

Love the comparison. Keep the vids coming.

Si has a better engine. BRZ/FRS has better drivetrain better track car. Depends what fits ur needs.

@Sevej1920

4 жыл бұрын

I agree would have been sick would have been a K20 k24 boosted or supercharged BRZ swap drift car

@KingOfEden12

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. The 86 has much more potential as an all around track car. While the Civic would be the better option if you're more into roll racing people on the freeway

I just bought an FR-S yesterday, and I love every second of it. Whats funny is I actually test drove a 2010 Civic SI sedan and chose the FR-S instead. They are just two different animals, but two awesome animals. I wouldn't mind having both cars one day. I have my Beater Audi a4 that is front wheel drive, but honestly the Civic si is more fun to drive than my audi in my book. If it were a quattro that might change.

Thanks for the people who suggested! Got my first car yesterday and my dad bought me the '13 Honda Civic Si sedan and I'm really loving it as a first car and one thing that surprised me is that dad and mom also gave me another car and its a challenger r/t!!

I drove both. Liked both, but I went and got a 2012 Civic SI sedan.

@MrAdrian13

9 жыл бұрын

Why? More comfortable?

@lyfeofajet

9 жыл бұрын

Adrian Lopez the look, performance(vtec), price, and practicality. the interior is better too.

@MrAdrian13

9 жыл бұрын

Michael Massinburg I always say the same thing! Vtec, practicality and interior. Upside of the frs is handling and rear wheel drive tho

@mackcummy4976

8 жыл бұрын

+Adrian Lopez If that's all you care about then yes, get an FRS

@MrAdrian13

8 жыл бұрын

mack cummy actually i just test drove a 2016 frs and i thought i would love it. Nope! It was too slow. Test drove the focus st and fiesta st and man they were both so much better than frs

BRZ hands down.

@kevingonzalez6778

6 жыл бұрын

Philip Geleta both are great cars

@waykool698

5 жыл бұрын

Philip Geleta look who’s talking. Little civic fan boy with a fart can.

@shadowrambo117

5 жыл бұрын

Philip Geleta says the guy with civic that can’t turn for shit

0:42 civic si body roll seems painful...

@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744

5 жыл бұрын

True

@dre160

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing a sway bar can't fix

thanks man...i was unaware of that ;)

25 grand for a smile.. damn being happy is expensive nowadays

Anyone remember the old AWD civic hatchbacks? Imagine how awesome that would that be with with a modern powerplant!

I’m taking the BRZ.

It also has a snow option I went for a test drive in the winter last week and all seemed good.

You guys should do a comparison of the 2013 Subaru BRZ to an 87 Civic Si next!

Oh btw i dont hate frs/brz, its just that i dont like the way it looks, its just my taste but still a nice car with a boxer engine an rwd.

I see the problem the civic has no stickers.

Picked up my BRZ three weeks ago and have not stopped smiling. I owned an 88 VW GTI years ago and almost went that route again. I loved that GTI but this BRZ is in a whole different class in terms of being a true sports car.

Some good videos of the 2014 Civic Si on my channel! Come check it out!

Subaru is better looking and has superior handling.

haha "just a FEW years ago" puberty lol

Well in iowa we have snow to, and I know plenty of people that drive a rwd car and get around just fine. Granted it does make it does help to have fwd or 4x4

The end was a little too "we're having a conversation through a script", made up for with the great drift at the end. Thumbs up.

honda did lose their touch and their style is outdated... even my 2005 honda s2000 looks newer and updated than the 2014 honda civic si. Shame on you honda. You put the best engines in the civic but forget to fire the civic designer.

@joej800

10 жыл бұрын

Dont quote me but i believe hondas ownership are one of the most arrogant groups.

@MetalsForBrunch

10 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Honda was at it's peak for street performance and forgot what the true essence of what honda really stands for. The current image of honda isn't the same anymore after they stopped production model cars only made in Japan such as the s2000 and acura nsx. Worst move by honda.

@XBMD86X

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the S2000's are still great looking cars, they beat many new cars today. Same with the Acura NSX.

@joej800

10 жыл бұрын

MetalsForBrunch BMDGaming The s2000 is still an amazing looking car. That era hondas designs are timeless. Even old preludes looks nice. I was in an all honda jdm crew back in those days with my jdm acura integra. Honda could of catered to us and they could have still controlled that market but they disrespected us constantly, While subura and mitsu took over that market. And as we grew up we moved on to mercs and other brands.

@XBMD86X

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I like the S2000 but I'm more of a German car person, Audi's and BMW's.

The si coupe doesn't look nice to me went with the sedan

Solid drift and the end!

hard to believe you got a challenger too but my parents got me a 2013 si sedan since the insurance is cheaper on 4 doors. Car is super fun and super reasonable

Honda. Just make the civic Si RWD with turbo.

@jarrydjackson361

7 жыл бұрын

Danny Hayson why?

@hondamanvtec2894

7 жыл бұрын

Jarryd Jackson Why must you ask yourself 😅

@jarrydjackson361

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know! What's the answer??

@pufferz6788

7 жыл бұрын

Honda wanted to make it classic and original, all the civics and most Hondas are front wheel drive.

@jamesbaker1392

7 жыл бұрын

I think they don't just because of the price jump, would be quite significant. Probably add 5 to 10 grand and do you really want to pay 35 grand for a civic? Does anybody want to pay that? I don't know if many people would. But that's just my opinion on why I think they don't make it RWD

Good review I like the track time and HONDA WINS ;-)

Was deciding between getting a 2013 FRS or a 2014 Si coupe. Chose the si for the tech that comes standard, and the daily driving aspect. Couldn’t get over that huge torque dip in the 3500 rpm range. Love both cars, just chose the si for practical preference in the interior.

when did they hire MGMT to do their music?

im a civic si fan but that thing is just fugly. looking forward to owning a frs/brz in the future

try the 2013 Civic Si....or the 2014..... Hand Down

@harrisanwar85

9 жыл бұрын

Rai ONLY 2014, coupe got redesigned

@Yudit3sBeastGamePlay

4 жыл бұрын

Harris Anwar nah the sedan got redesigned in 2013 when they changed up the interior with the carbon fiber looking plastic and the redesigned front and rear bumper

DUDE that video was uploaded in 2012!

Love that helmet that the guy with glasses!

If you want to take a girl on a date, they'll pick the brz over the civic regardless of any knowledge on cars.. they'll still want to sit in a brz. LOL

@josemujica1818

9 жыл бұрын

Very true lol

@Jay_Murs

9 жыл бұрын

MetalsForBrunch i know most women (that arent knowledgeable about cars) only care if the car is 1.) New/ newish 2.) not broken down 3.) comfortable/ clean interior 4.) sometimes the brand....ok alot of the time the brand (catches their eye if its exotic) I had a 2013 civic SI coupe , and most the women i dated when i had it loved my car and how "aerodynamic" it looks and that it was sexy, but now that i have my 2015 Mustang GT, they fucking beg me to drive them around lol, not really, but they always comment on how nice it is walking up to it after dinner, if i got a BRZ instead of a civic a couple years ago i would have gotten more comments on how it looks outside but my god that thing is fucking gutted and god awful boring to sit in

@_Brutal_

8 жыл бұрын

+James supreme everyone has a mustang, what makes them want to "drive it around"?

can we leave the racing suits at home? They come off as pretentiously douchey, like i'm just making a suggestion is all. It's kind of tacky.

@niceprince

9 жыл бұрын

Sharod101 Do you watch Best Motoring?

because when your the one of the group with a well tuned and customized civic you feel good about your self

Really hoping to be into a BRZ/GT86/FR-S in a few years.. first new car I'd be willing to give up my current mid-90's ride for in a LONG time!!

Complaining that the tires aren't grippy enough.. Haha! I know, it's his job to critique the car, but.. Those stock tires make perfect sense for several good reasons.. The lack of grip makes it easier to kick the rear end out a bit, which is what the car was made for! They are much cheaper to replace after you burn them up while having fun.. AND, Toyota/Subaru knew that if enthusiasts wanted to upgrade to big meaty, sticky tires, stockers would never have been good enough anyways!!.. So, those are exactly the right tires for the car!

@FredNitroJunk

9 жыл бұрын

Tires Cheap to replace???? Dude, have you ever shop these? They are costy as hell.

@bliglum

9 жыл бұрын

FredNitroJunk Aren't they like 60 or $70? I didn't say they were cheap, just cheaper.. And they are much cheaper than a higher performance car's tires. Corvette tires for example start at like $400 apiece!

@FredNitroJunk

9 жыл бұрын

bliglum 222$ each (canadian but still...) when i brought mine 1 year ago they were 235$ piece. I don't know if the link will work: m.tires.canadiantire.ca/mt/tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/all-season-touring-tires/product/0080319P/michelin-primacy-hp/2084977/?un_jtt_jse=14a411c9087_c0a8621247f89a4b80e3fe9018e7b383&un_jtt_v_searchbyvehicle=2013_Scion_FR-S_2%20Dr%20Coupe_Base_215%252F45R17%2523REGULAR%2523Both

@bliglum

9 жыл бұрын

FredNitroJunk Shnat! Well, I wouldn't go with OEM tires then for sure.. Tires must be pretty pricy where you are too, because I can find examples of that size (215/45 R17) for as cheap as $62 each! Though, better brand, higher performance running gear is around $100-$120.

@FredNitroJunk

9 жыл бұрын

bliglum well, for about the same price (240$ or so) i have installed 255/35ZR18 (245 front) hankook ventus evo 12 on my frs. Very good tires if you ask me. Safe under any condition, sporty enough for the track, good looking tread, very satisfy. But i do agree why your opinion: they put it on that car to make it more "sporty", the get a drifting feel at low speed. The down side is that all the safety features go crazy at every corner. You quickly get use to activate the sport mode as soon as you turn on the ingnition.

Civic Resale value..!

I would love to have both

My favorite Celi is the 94-99 I saw a gunmetal gray one just lastnight. Much sexier back than FRS.

BRZ/FRS FTW why would you want a front wheel drive over rated SI lmao

@vernonprice5986

10 жыл бұрын

Razeiken What compromise? What are you gaining with the Civic?

@mekkakat

10 жыл бұрын

not all of us live where there isn't snow

@nathandaignault

10 жыл бұрын

thats true! but I live in shitty Winnipeg lol

@Trussme96

10 жыл бұрын

Vernon Price More power and Torque to the wheels and practicality.

@vernonprice5986

10 жыл бұрын

TyranitarComedian You mean one more HP? And what practicality? They're both 2 door coupes. And while you get ONE more HP with the civic the BRZ weighs less so it's still faster. And let's not forget that you are losing RWD with the civic.

too bad a 98 type R is faster than both lol

@TheBb6prelude

8 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly lol

@farhan007

8 жыл бұрын

+Kellan Goins not really

@blaqjac21

8 жыл бұрын

+Farhan Chowdhury how .. please explain

@justcallmejefe

7 жыл бұрын

BRZ did a 1:26.6, 1998 ITR did a 1:27.03.

@blaqjac21

7 жыл бұрын

.400 of a second ? easily can be found somewhere on track , and it had worn smaller tires .

In Canada we have snow. When it snows don't think about leaving your driveway with a RWD transmission. If there is any snow on the ground don't think about it either. Assuming the road is dry then you can drive it.

thanks for pointing that out......

I love my honda s2000 and I would have to say that the BRZ is the winner. More interesting, better looking, lighter stronger and RWD. I will never drive civic si and I pray that honda will release the civic type R turbo in the near future. Honda is wasting a ton of money on their civic si production bc no one will ever pay so much for a heavy slow souless honda. Shame on you Honda.

@10RRedSI

10 жыл бұрын

Honda's are awesome!

@Asian4runner

10 жыл бұрын

***** well when ur so rich, u have a city name after u, money is the least thing u worried about lol

@MetalsForBrunch

10 жыл бұрын

***** civic si does outsell the brz with its long history.. Brz out sells the civic si this year and a rwd or awd is the proper sportscar. Civics have the edge on FWD.

@Asian4runner

10 жыл бұрын

***** lol i meant toyota have a town name after them in japan. if u want to talk about who sell the most car, the answer is toyota with their corolla. corolla out sold any car since it was first release and is still being rated as the most sold car in the world.

@guyproulx1660

9 жыл бұрын

honda civic has been the most sold car in north america for 16 years in a row, i guess they are doing something right, very reliable car, toyota corolla comes in 2nd

S2000 WOULD OUTLAST A BRZ PERIOD

@NMChiphopdawg

4 жыл бұрын

Subaru STI would outlast a S2000 period

Ahh cool. Regarding the spoiler, I think I like it equally with & without, but I suppose I'd have to see both ways in person. I bet that'll be an easy fix after a couple years though.. either bought used/from a junkyard and/or an aftermarket knockoff etc.

If you do some research, people are getting well into the 30 mpg range on the BRZ. Also there is a BRZ with a turbo kit putting out 520 hp to the wheels on stock engine. So for those who are wanting more power. It's possible too.

Not to mention one is gorgeous and one is, well, a sedan.

@AlwaysDiamonds

9 жыл бұрын

Sedan?

@JLJE54

9 жыл бұрын

Sedan?

@jmendoza328

9 жыл бұрын

They are both coupes...

Yeah the Si looks ugly as hell compared to the BRZ

@Saahiltech

10 жыл бұрын

I think your blind if you say the honda civic si looks ugly

@Saahiltech

10 жыл бұрын

I think your blind if the honda civic si is ugly

@Shorty15c4007

10 жыл бұрын

Saahil Siddique You're* If you're going to insult someone, do it right geniuses. How sad is it that the Kia Koup looks better then the Si.

@killerkhalsa27

9 жыл бұрын

Shorty15c4007 than*

@Shorty15c4007

9 жыл бұрын

killerkhalsa27 Thanks =)

Also I wanted to say I wanna hug the person at hyundi who came up with the genesis ever since they made that car every car company is making rear wheel drive. Its amazing how many people think front wheel has better handling but generally its just cause they are lighter and smaller cars. Now that they are making the same little light cars RWD the driving and handling is just great with the ability to have way more fun.

Tc

Civic Si is more powerful, and it has a WAAAAAY more reliable engine.

@MrRogvolta

10 жыл бұрын

honda more reliable than toyota? bro ur CRAAAAAAZY

@roybatty-

10 жыл бұрын

ricardo Volta Its a Subaru engine....

@MrRogvolta

10 жыл бұрын

Wrong!! Its made by toyota! Get your info right! Toyota did the engine and interior and subaru the exterior FYI!! PEACE

@roybatty-

10 жыл бұрын

ricardo Volta Its a 4 cylinder Subaru boxer engine. If you open the hood on either the Frs or BRZ "Subaru" is very clearly written on top of the engine.

@MrRogvolta

10 жыл бұрын

Do some research men pleaaaase! Google it or something

i like how hes in the brz with a honda jacket

You could have linked those corners at 4:23!

I'm getting a brz next year after nursing school is over! Woot!

All of the power goes to the center diff in end of the trans and it sends it backward or forward depending on traction. The Evo is different because of the horizontal mounting of the engine. The split on my Wrx is 50/50 all the time. The STI can go more to the rear with 35/65 set on the DCCD. Newer Rally cars are turning into land yachts so i do understand your point but add boost and you cant tell. My car has a horrible suspension but this thing grips even in the worst situations

And it all depends on what type of track. A high percentage of tracks are high speed ones. There are not a lot of twisty type that people race on a lot. Also they only thing limiting a new mustang is the drive shaft, speed limiter, and low eco tune. Turn those around and it is a completely different type of car

BRZ/FRS is getting a turbo version called the FT-86 g sports

omg thats dave from speed factory 😱

@Charlie Harper i beg to differ mate. i have two bmw's both rwd. my m3 sleeps thru winter, but my 328i is my winter beater...a good set of winters and traction control along with s steady right foot is all u need to beat winter driving. i've never had any problems.

What my cousin did to ease the pain of the looks from the front, is open the headlight housing and sprayed it black thus the chrome is gone. Back taillights are still kinda ugly, but i've driven it. He had an aftermarket exhaust on and it sounds badass, very throaty not bee-like like Hondas. Interior is very nicely designed, but seats are very low. Its a fun car to drive, and it will have its following, but they should've offered VVT-i but don't know if it will work with boxer engine.

19" 225/35 Dunlop Direzza perfect tire upgrade for the frs. Still drifts but handles way better than stock

Mike I'd love to see that! If Honda would import a Civic Type R to America they would win back some of the street creed they had in the '80's and 90's

Even with HFP suspension, that body roll....

I had a Civic Si for a few years as well... I test drove the Scion FR-S... it's amazing how different it feels. Plus, the layout of the engine bay was designed with car enthusiasts in mind... The alternator is within arm's reach on top/in front of the engine, and there is space behind the engine for a bolt-on turbo if they make one. Car drives beautifully. Go drive one you won't be disappointed!

@KingOfEden12

2 жыл бұрын

I own a 15 Si and my girlfriend has a 16 FRS and that car is much more capable for track related modifications. The Si handles decently sure, but that understeer isn't fun at all. Whereas the FRS feels so planted and grippy especially on turn in even with stock tires and suspension. My car currently has coilovers, camber arms, sway bars a rear subframe brace along with aftermarket wheels and tires. My girlfriends frs only has tires and lowering springs and she can easily pass lose me in the canyons

I live in North Jersey right now until i'm done with school. After going through so many cars i just don't consider front wheel drive cars sports cars. They are sporty but thats as far they can go in my eyes. Being able to control a cars direction with the throttle is somewhat important to me and is something my Subaru lacks until i get the funds to finish the suspension. In a front wheel drive car you are always at the mercy of the front wheels.

doing reviews for the US market in Canada. Interesting. Do you guys use actual US spec cars?

0:00 I don't know how many times I replayed this part. Lol.

Hi men, i

@ehcivicracer, I dont agree with you on that had a ej1 coupe with full interior, full stereo, a/c, power steering,locks,windows, sun roof so i dont think it was any lighter than a Integra gsr. I went to my local drag strip when i recently put in a '94 us spec gsr b18 bone stock still breathing out of the civic 1.5inch exhaust and 15inch street tires it was still able to put down a 14.7 1/4mile time. I bet on slicks it would also drop to low 14's, bolts ons mybe high 13's?

which car would be better for everyday driving kind of thing? i live in the city and i don't plan to race, but both these cars are very appealing to me. any suggestions?

Yeah, no joke! (on the comment editing) I feel the same about colors as well, not that that detail really factors into the conversation. ;) Regarding models though, the keyless entry/starting might be the only thing that's got me considering a BRZ over FR-S. (or maybe 86, dunno & I've not looked at all optional colors) Either way, I'm not buying in for a couple years yet, as I'm too cheap to go for brand new anything, lol. (plus I'd like to see how they fair etc)

Tom Anderson is a Genius, putting a V6 in comparison with NA 4 cyl engines. Think before speaking.

These are both fantastic cars. I mean they're among the most durable vehicles and stylish.

That vtech on the straights

Whats with the full race helmet? Considering the cars your driving wouldn't a bicycle helmet work just as well?

happens with suspension. my car would lift a rear wheel if i did a hard turn at 50-60. now it doesnt.

I'd stick with the Civic SI. It's a fun daily driver with enough space to fit most things that you need.

I own an si but i really want a brz. maybe i should buy a brz and have the advantages of fwd and rwd whenever i feel like.

BRZ and FR-S are all looking good, but I am not sure about the built quality since these cars are fairly new to the market.

How do you not understear like crazy in that BRZ? (I'm sitting in one right now contemplating all the FWD cars I've had that didn't understear anywhere near as bad as this RWD one.)

Not sure what they were thinking other than those economy tires helped achieve the published mileage numbers. Not bad for the price, but it'd be nice if it had more power stock. I know it's not in production anymore, but a S2000 v.s. BRZ/FRS would be entertaining :)

Voice crack at 5:18 makes me laugh every time.

Both cars have personality but it's the BRZ

I stand corrected. Good to know the US's AWD's aren't as watered down as they were recently. As you said, they're land yachts anymore though and I can't really consider them sports cars. (you can add power & grip to pretty much anything these days) If only either company would make a 2/3d.. instead they just add size/weight/power to their 4d family boats. I got excited for Subaru/the segment, when I first heard of the BRZ. Then I realized they weren't going to have their own AWD variant. :(

with the scion/subaru you can flick the car around and it just won't fight back. You can also take a tight corner much better because of the rwd vs the civic's fwd. Also, the civic feels like a tank around the corners.

Because I deleted it & reposted with "used" before saying I was interested in an FR-S. KZread does stupid shit with double and/or deleted comments sometimes but if you re-check your inbox it may show back up. Anyways, the Honda may have a performance suspension, but they specifically commented how much body roll it had just the same.

My 08 M5 cost me around 32k and my 13' Accord v6 35k but once my warranty is over on the M5. I might just sell it right away, I've barely had the M5 for couple months and it had an expensive leak already good thing the dealer covered it. That's one of the reasons i sold my old 05 745i, to expensive to maintain it without warranty.

I regularly amaze people with how well I've got around in the winter in my Miata's, but yea.. I don't care what the diehard RWD guys say, in equally skilled hands/tires etc, FWD's definitely got an edge in blustery stuff, especially when it gets deep. Push vs. pull, (as well as what you said), as well as weight distribution & whatnot mixed in.

Like the review except for the last comment about FWD for snow. A RWD can do just fine in the snow, and with snow tires I actually prefer RWD…easier to keep the car stable, imo.

There all badge swaps, the toyota 86 is sold in usa as well as the brz, but the frs is sold in canada