Best way to decide, I’m a mechanic and we see at least 3 subarus a week for blown stuff. Toyotas? Never. Just oil changes. I think I’ll buy the rav4

@Aliyah_666

2 жыл бұрын

Yup amen there Toyota has a thoroughly proven track record. Plus that turbo 4 banger would be pricey to fix.

@michaelfletcher1224

Жыл бұрын

I rather pay weekly to fix the Subaru than drive a RAV4. Lol

@jackjack4412

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelfletcher1224 hope you're made of money and down time

@michaelfletcher1224

Жыл бұрын

@@jackjack4412 pretty much lol… I drive a 5th gen 4Runner (Toyotas are great) and I bought my daughter a Forester. I just would never drive a RAV4… I’m sure they are reliable… just completely unlikeable. I was kind of joking of course about fixing a car daily but seriously Subaru’s are way more fun and the difference is quality isn’t dramatic in reality. Some Toyotas just have no soul and Rav4s are one of those models. They’re not poorly made they just suck in terms of enjoyment. Camrys, Prius, Rav4s… they are all devoid of any joy. They have no personality. Thats why they suck.

@pedrongoka1759

11 ай бұрын

​@@michaelfletcher1224hard to believe that a grown Man can say that......that's just ridiculous

It is 2020 now. Rav4 still looks great. V6 zips up mountain passes. Wide door top to bottom loads big stuff. Holds full size wheel. Saved us in rear end collision at stop light on highway. 4 speed transmission no problem with V6 - reliable.

@TwoHandsASMR

Жыл бұрын

it’s a 5 speed with the V6 models :)

The rav4 looks attractive I don’t know what he’s talking about. many modern suvs they all look the same. The rav4 had personality. the Subaru and newer rav4s all look the same and like every other crossover

@romariofreitas8346

2 жыл бұрын

Really!👍

@Doc1855

Жыл бұрын

I AGREE !!!

Idk why everyone hates on Rav4 looks, I think it's quite an attractive little SUV that has aged well, especially the sport trim. Especially compared to the horrendously ugly Rav4 yota makes now

@RandomGuyScrollingDown445

6 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

6 жыл бұрын

They have that idiotic reverse opening rear door. I wouldn't buy it for that reason alone.

@khurrammalik5865

5 жыл бұрын

I agree 100% the new Toyota RAV4 is a female version of this legendary muscle truck and I hate the newer version as well

@riasatahmed2594

5 жыл бұрын

randomocityvideos exactly, the new Rav4s are so basic and they don’t stand out. Same with the forester in this video it also looks so basic the tire in the back was unique and gave a nice Jeep look

@josiahbjertness1083

4 жыл бұрын

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I have one and honestly it's the only reason why I don't like it. But hey it was cheap and for good gas mileage and I can fit all of my audio equipment in it so I guess I can't complain.

Glad we could help and thanks for the kind words and watching.

These guys r supprisingly not annoying as car reviewers. Keep up the good work guys

Damn! Guess I’d better try and drive the Forester. I have an 07 RAV4 Limited V6, and it absolutely rips on the streets!

This is my favourite TFL video. Both the Forester and the RAV4 are good cars. My favourite car of all time is my dads 1999 Subaru forester 2,0 manual with low gear. Really fun to drive.

Great video guys! After car shopping for about 3 months I finally narrowed it down to these two vehicles and this video really helped me with pros and cons of each one. Thanks!

I LOVE my 11 Rav 4WD Limited with the V6. It has low pampered mileage. I use Mobile 1 full synthetic oil and change it every 4K miles. The transmission and the rear differential fluid and grease is changed every 30K miles. The heated leather interior still looks new. It’s always garaged. My Rav looks showroom new inside and out. It’s Gold / Tan metallic with Ivory leather interior and burgundy metallic pinstripes. I added a K&N intake and a quiet Flowmaster 3” exhaust system. Before those 2 modifications I was getting 24-25 mpg on the highway and now I’m getting 26-27 , sometimes 28. It’s a lot quicker, has more horsepower and torque than before. It looks like a “Sleeper”, but it hauls ass when needed

We bought our 2010 Rav4 Limited 4 cylinder AWD +options back in March, 2010 for $27k +tax. It's still a great car and it looks like the new 2013 has addressed many of the pre 2013 issues, such as a proper lift gate, better mpg, 6 speed a/t, modernized interior, and lighter weight. We'll be checking it out in a few years when it's time to trade in the 2010. Thanks for this vid.

this is a very good review and comparison of both cars. came here because my dad is giving me his 2010 Forester soon, looking forward to it!

@peterognianov

2 ай бұрын

My dad gave me his 2011 Forester a couple years ago, probably around the time of your comment. My first car. We got it new in 2011 when I was a kid. Very special car to me. Unfortunately, it was burning oil like crazy, among other problems, and began to have overheating issues; engine was definitely going to blow soon. We sold it less than a month ago and I got a 2009 RAV4.

Love my RAV4. Driven through 45 states with it. I have the 2007 four banger. I think the V6 option was there from the beginning though.

rav4 v6 is quick and doesn't need premium unleaded fuel. 5 speed auto is smooth and effortless. when it hit's 4,000 revs it turns into a Beast on Roids.

@spidermight8054

4 жыл бұрын

John Smith Agreed, if you can get it to 4000 rpms before getting pulled over and ticketed! It’s not a monster off the line, but from a roll, look out! It’ll embarrass other vehicles you wouldn’t expect it to whoop.

It's 2021 and I just purchased a 2010 Rav4 4cyl with 100K miles. I seriously considered a Forester, having owned a 2006 Outback for 10 years and 100,000 miles I was tired of fighting oil leaks from the head gaskets and valve cover gaskets of the boxer and having to lift the engine to replace spark plugs. Every Forester I looked at in the 80K mile range gushed oil. The Toyota 4 is dry as a bone and runs as smooth as it did when it came from the factory.

@qwertylolman

Жыл бұрын

man, you are doing the engine rebuild once and it's still good as brand new Subaru for next 80k-100k. that's the biggest benefit of owning used Subaru with EJ engine. every weak part is known and easy to fix. just a big Lego Technic set for man.

Nice review! Since the forest 2014 and Rav 4 2013 have been redesigned and are different from their previous models, would you guy have a mashup review for them again soon? Many thanks!

Here it is almost 2018 and the 2011 Rav 4 still looks contemporary with Escapes, CRVs, Volvo 65, BMW, 2018 VW Tiguan except today's SUVs lack the accessible Hummer-like full wheel on the back.

@blammod

6 жыл бұрын

While I like the spare on the door it seems the rest of buyers didn't

@rmh6668

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I totally agree with you. I truly believe that an SUV is an "SUV" if theres a spare tyre at the back!

Engine is fast and the car is powerful! Maybe the other way around.

@davibrass

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing

One thing you guys never mention about the rav4 is that it comes with a locking center diff. Which I think would be pretty important in comparisons like this considering none of the competing cars do.

@mattyee9369

3 жыл бұрын

It needs it tho. Subaru is superior in mud and snow/ice. Their symmetrical awd system is no joke.

@patrickmartin3322

Жыл бұрын

And Subarus have a permanently locked center dif

@bernardf209

Жыл бұрын

Well you have two old guys doing reviews on this suv? That doesn’t really know what there doing! You need mechanics professional to do this kind if reviews. Not some guys like this that looks like just came from care home lol.

@hugolafhugolaf

Жыл бұрын

The Nissan Rogue had a 4x4 lock feature.

@814gt Well you certainly get your money's worth with only four gears. Each gear gets used a lot more ;-)

I really liked the review. Honest and real. This will help me sell more Subies! Now the 2012 model boasts a timing chain, and an oil filter on TOP of the motor.

I don’t understand the love it or hate it on the looks of the 2006-2012 Toyota RAV4. Yes, I own a 2009 RAV4 and I think this look has aged really well. Yes, the new one’s have the updated safety features but they can’t beat the looks of the 2006-2012. Love the the spare tire hanging on the back door.

@tinhinnh You're right, however the only difference in suspension is the front struts. The sway bars, links, and rear struts are identical in the Limited and Sport versions. You can check out the OEM parts list online.

Can't wait to see a new mash up video with the new redesigns. :)

@markhenderson123 Remember, I also said "groan" when I mentioned CVT because they tend to have flaws like you experienced with the Legacy. If I want the Legacy, I'll consider the one with the flat-6 engine with a 5 speed auto. Thanks for the info.

Serious question, r u guys gonna do a 2013 RAV4 vs. 2013 forester video? Really need some advice on this. If you guys do have the plan, would you put some more emphasis on performance in snowy condition? which AWD system is better sort of thing~

I noticed that in a lot of the 'random car vs subaru' comparisons, the subaru generally wins because it's more fun to drive and it's extremely capable. I don't think you'd be bored driving a subaru, which is something you can't say about most vehicles.

@jgallant9275

Жыл бұрын

change your head gaskets and get back to me

@dwynepen7626

3 ай бұрын

@@jgallant9275 we've all been lied to about Subaru. Love my 06 Forester

I had the 1st, 2 door RAV4 years ago. It lasted until my boyfriend got rearended in it at the beach. I miss it. The new ones are too big for me. Thanks for the review!

Rav4 was the best selling cuv last year so a lot of people like it and it is getting redesign so next year it should sell even more. Btw if they don't like the transmission in the Subaru they should have got a manual.

Drove a Rav4, Honda CR-v and Subaru Forester when comparing vehicles and went with the Rav4. Traction control on the Rav is a PIA when you want to throttle it up in the winter $ if you disengage it you're FWD only. Subie had a sportier cockpit but was small and the Subie is not near as roomy as the RAV for passengers. CRVs seats don't fold flat and it only had a 4 cyl engine but was nice overall. Subie dealer wouldn't let me drive the turbo unless we did purchase #'s 1st. 26MPG avg for RAV

All i really got from this video was an over use of the word QUIRK.

@joeswelding8193

3 жыл бұрын

Quirky quirks

Good review but you guys need to use a word other than "quirk" to describe the differences in cars. Quirk has a negative connotation as in "hang up" or "peculiar oddity" or "foible." Why don't you say "advantage" rather than "quirk" when you are describing a car's comparative benefits?

@nikolavonfulton5195

7 жыл бұрын

Ronald Jensen I just thought they were talking about the star trek character

@DerrickWesonga

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of Doug DeMuro? He makes a living out of quirks!!

Brilliant show, hosts are excellent.

The RAV4 "Sport" is an option package which adds a spoiler and a red badge and bigger wheels. Not really performance upgrades but could possible make the car feel more fun to drive.

Cool! Thanks again! I will call the hotline mentioned in the article. Thanks for taking the time to tell me about that. Massive amounts of good karma to you and yours!

u 2 need to find a road for awd. this road my 2wdr can go with zero problem.

I just got my first car. 2006 Subaru Forester 2.5X. I can't wait for winter since I know I can always get home safely.

I prefer a N/A motor over turbo any day, in these types of vehicles anyways. For everyday driving, occasional snow, and very light duty off roading, the V6 RAV4 is awesome. Very quick/powerful, cheap, practical, above average fuel economy for a V6, and very reliable. The RAV4 just makes sense for me and my needs. Highly recommend if you can find a good one used. Toyota needs to bring back the V6 in the RAV4!

What were the issues? I have the same engine in my '07 RAV. Thanks

I agree that CUV's are largely pointless. I think a lot of people like the seating position. Aside from that, I think the RAV4 V6 AWD makes a very compelling argument. Power, weight, storage space, comfort, and mileage, are all top of the price class. I haven't yet driven it myself, I have ridden in it. C&D says the handling is pretty good. Throw on a few mods and you'll be good to go.

I don't think they know what quirk means.

@johnfrench9700

6 жыл бұрын

pikehk captain .. quirk .. you know .. starship enterprise ! . 😉😉😉

@Lainer1

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe they meant PERK

@joshahhhyeah9993

2 жыл бұрын

they dont know a lot imo

@Twixx32 I said the same thing until I drove the forester. I drove about 6 'crossovers' and it was the best overall choice. Turbo forester is a blast to drive. When I'm on cottage side roads, driving on the highway, city driving I don't even realize that it has 4 gears. But, do what you need to so you feel good about your next purchase.

I happen to drive a 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L w/Nav & DVD, my dad's van, and compared to a typical 3 row crossover it, it's roomy and comfortable. Because I'm the choir leader in my church, I have to haul 7 choir members of them to the practice every other weekend. The ages of these members are between 10 and 17.

Great post, saved me the time to tell boberson that anyone who thinks a minivan or wagon is cooler than, well, just about anything, has no business commenting on anything automotive, except perhaps, which fabric pattern was more attractive in the Gremlin

Hey Romanmicagearguy! I was wondering where the dirt roads you tested these two vehicles are? Is it near Boulder like you said in the video? If so, where in Boulder?

But, you failed to tell everyone about Toyota stakes in Subaru. Also, how can you simply just come out and say that Subaru is better? It's called personal preference and your opinions do not speak for everyone else. I like both. Which did I buy? RAV4. It works better for ME. I also like the quieter engine sound in the Toyota vs the Subaru. Again, personal preference. In this video, all you did was drive them and base your opinions on what You like. It makes the world go round and round ;-)

I've been told Rav4s are pretty cramped, but CUV's arent very rigid, you would need to add a truck frame, tough suspension, skid plates, low range, lockers, and better tires for offroad and towing ability, and in the end you end up getting only 13-17 mpg, even with a v6, which is what 2 door v6 wranglers get. Honestly, it's a good car for a crossover, but large sedans probably get the same storage, better comfort, same handling, and better mpg, although I do admire your respectful input.

If you get the Sport version RAV4 it is a lot more fun and the steering is more direct. They may have thought about that before the test,. I have a 2008 RAV4 Sport FWD and get over 28mpg on the highway and with the K&N it definitely is fun . My last car was an M3 so I never thought I would like anything like this but the RAV 4 puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Drove from Dallas to LA and back then this year to Daytona for the 24 hour race and the journeys were smooth, cheap and fun

@814gt I bought a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.It's a 2.0 TDI from Audi,Ralliart version with over 180hp and 400Nm of torque.It has complete sport package with sport suspension,19" wheels and other stuff.It's very nice to drive,very powerful.I mean could you believe i outran a 2002 V6 Porsche Cayenne on the highway?While offering this great performance,it does combined 42 mpg!I think that's amazing. It has all the options and gadgets i need and it has decent off-road capabilities.i'm very satisfied

the 2006-present Toyota RAV4 is assembled in Tahara, Aichi, Japan Obu, Aichi, Japan Woodstock, Ontario, Canada (from November 2008) Tianjin, China

What's with the overuse of the word "quirk"?

@dynamo1796

10 жыл бұрын

It appears they don't actually know the definition of 'Quirk' either

@DrMarv

6 жыл бұрын

HAHA. I was just about to say the same thing...

@robertgodfrey3755

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Goodall iii

I love the bits of music in this video and in your forester raw and unleashed video, how can we find out what the name of the music and artist are and purchase it?

We have a Toyota RAV4 with a tire on the back there was a bad snow storm and we made it through all the other cars were stuck

@theherbpuffer

9 ай бұрын

The Subies were crusin along with you and some

259hp for the Rav4, 224hp for the Forester. Both impressive stats, but how much torque do each engine deliver? I do find the Forester to be better looking than the Rav4, and with the boxer engine mounted the way it is, makes better sense, particularly for 4wd, since the engine and driveshaft are aligned with each other in a symmetrical design. I'm not against honest. In fact, I'm all for form follows function.

Good review! Nevertheless I'm waiting to see the new model of forester and Rav4.

@NathanDAdlen LOL I often would correct people when referring to a Van Dyke as a goatee. Somewhere along the way I gave up. I'm actually glad you corrected me for I, too, have a Van Dyke.

I have a Forester, and the 4 speed really isn't noticeable for someone like me who uses the car to drive to work and occasional long distances. I'm so glad I went with it instead of the RAV4; the Forester got me through the Chicago blizzard in February no problem, and I saw 2 RAV4s abandoned on the main road. :P

In case anyone watching this is going to test drive one of the forester xt automatic models from this time period... switch it into the manual-matic mode or at least “sport” automatic mode and it’ll feel like a different car. I only leave it in regular mode when I’m trying to drink coffee in traffic

at around 1:10, I was convinced. Thank you for going half airborn for me.

Thanks Bro! I'll definitely do that. I was very surprised and disappointed, because I know lots of people who have 200,000-300,000 miles on camrys, tacomas, tercels, etc.with little or no problems. They used too be the best cars you could buy!

I still have my 2008 (brought it in 2008 brand new) rav4 limited v6 as backup car. Over the years, I changed multiple cars, but rav4 has always been the car I kept. And most likely I will keep it by the time I replace my 2024 BMX X7😆

I do agree on all the line!!

The Subaru has a 4 speed because if you can't drive manual you don't deserve to have as much fun.

@simong1411

9 жыл бұрын

sadly there is no option to buy it as a manual

@kiddeath921

9 жыл бұрын

Simon G yes there is where did you get that from? It is literally on their website i can even give you a link

@simong1411

9 жыл бұрын

where are you from? they dont sell them manual everywhere. the 2015 xt only comes with a cvt

@kiddeath921

9 жыл бұрын

Simon G I'm talking about the forester the base model has a 6 speed manual www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282&WebPageID=19201&Range=Forester&ModelYear=2015&CarID=772 here is a link go all the way to the bottom and the base model Subaru comes standard with a six speed manual here is another link which is easier www.edmunds.com/subaru/forester/2015/?tab-id=specs-tab&style=200689820

@simong1411

9 жыл бұрын

the one in the vid is an xt fk the base model

This is such a funny review!! I like it.

Sure wish toyota would put the v6 back in rav4. I'd buy one immediately.

@Y10Q

7 жыл бұрын

I have a Sienna with a V6 setup and honestly, all that power means shit if you can't put it down. And even though it says 260hp, it feels like 120hp given all the weight.

Forester could be my next suv, love turbocharge and awd..it wont be as good as my evo x, but maybe close. love handling vehicles..

I know this is an old video but where is this road? It looks so familiar but I can't place it. I know it's in Colorado

I like the way the rav4 looks better. I also like the side swing rear gate because I have a low roof carport under my house. I wouldn't buy either car if my main concern was performance or acceleration. Kinda weird for perfomance and looks to be such deciding factors when they both are kinda potato. Would have been better to see an off road comparison and see how many pieces of luggage fit in the back including the rav4 subtrunk. Other notable comparisons to make would have been stereo and power outlets. But you got 1.2 million views so I guess it doesn't matter.

@rdiaz206 Sorry for mixing up the terms; Too easy to mismatch due to marketing lingo these days. Yes i know: 4wd means locking center/rear diffs and on-demand traction used in trucks and Wranglers, and the AWD is a full-time system used on roads. Doesn't change the fact the Toyota's AWD system (marketed as 4wd for whatever reason) is not as good as the multi-plate unit found in the Subaru AWD.

which 1 of these is good for towing in a desert with a 2litre diesel engine?

Regardless of these comments, and these facts. Some people out there know that theres just something about subaru..other than about its specs. against other competitors such as Toyota. I see both of these cars in front of me every time I walk out of my house, but most of the time I choose to have subaru keys in my hand.

Por que siempre los mejores videos estan en ingles y en español cuando?

@814gt Still 4 spd sounds outdated. An extra gear could come handy on the highway

V-6 RAV4 AWD is the #1 suv from 2006 to 2012...that V-6 engine can tow up to 3500 pounds ... if you go camping and put a lot of weight on your SUV That V-6 on the rav4 got you covered...the MPG on the rav4 v-6 is 19 city and 26 hwy wish is exelent! compared to the 4 cylinder AWD Subaru wish only gives you 21 city 26 hwy

@rightlanehog3151

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

i love both brands...but i just purchased my 3rd Subie....Outback. Wife drives Camry...will retire at 55.

Man Toyota is the underdog here. plus Subaru is more expensive off the line and repairs as well . Toyota is famous for their unbreakable engines . It’s got 4wd . More hp and tq . I didn’t see you guys use the DAC system which Toyota did excellent with as well. The RAV4 did everything the subí did and it’s much more fun to drive anywhere . V6 less stress . Better power to weight . TOYOTA LETS GO PLACES !

who would rather pick a toyota for a Subaru? i mean im a honda fanboy but given the chance to pick CR-V of Forester, i would pick the forester in a heartbeat

Its to help keep engine rpm down so when you want you can get better fuel economy. The best part is at 65 on the freeway in 8th gear your cruising just above 1,000 rpm, well worth it if you ask me. plus you get better acceleration.

i liked these guys review.

We started to buy a RAV4, but the Toyota dealer messed all of the paperwork up, and tried to cheat us of an $8,000 difference! After three hours at the Toyota dealer we just left because it really wasn't worth the wait or aggravation. So we went and tried a Forester out and loved it, so we bought it. and I'm really glad we did because it is amazing in the worst of road conditions. Which I assume the RAV4 is too, but I'm really impressed with it

I wish you had the Sport V6 trim on the Rav4 - there are virtually no reviews specifically with Rav4 Sport.

cvt (continuously variable transmission) is how they fixed that with my outback, no gears, no jerks very smooth...

@markhenderson123 I've heard many questions about CVTs. Usually they do well in hybrid vehicles with their drivetrains. The only major manufacturers that do it well is Subaru, but like you said, still has its downfall with from what I hear engine whininess and high rev range, and Nissan. Nissan has that done with their cars and unibody SUVs (Murano and Rogue). The paddle shifters can work as 6 speeds in manual mode (that's what Subaru reps say).

I'm regretting not taking my Escape off road while I still had it.

@shaggyusm26 …Then we are beard brothers indeed. As such, we must find a way to get Andy to grow one as well. Hope you liked the video!

Nothing wrong with a tried and true 4 speed automatic...

Funny, everytime I walk past a Rav4 I think of how pretty I think it is.

@5050kas

8 жыл бұрын

+Johan Sandberg And pretty doesn't get you through the snow....but you could admire it while it sits stuck.

@gypsygirl1485

4 жыл бұрын

​@@5050kas I drive a 2009 RAV 4 V6 Limited 4WD in Colorado during heavy snowstorms...It handles extremely well my RAV 4 has NEVER failed me!

@spidermight8054

4 жыл бұрын

Gypsy G I have the same, only an 07. Just turned 30 k miles. I live in SoCal , so I’ve never been in snow, but it’s always gotten me out of mud and sand. And it rips on the roads!

@chewsir ugh, it has a "Sport-ier" suspension.

This is the top rated subaru forrester video on all of KZread.

11 years late, I love my rav4. Only crossover I don’t hit my head on the rear door with.

i have to say the 2011 forester is one of the best cars out there i daily one and its amazing and actually rolled it twice at 40mph about 3 days ago and i wasnt hurt at all in the slightest and the car still drives just fine just has repairable body damage amazing cars

@billsafreed9982

6 жыл бұрын

He lived! (reference to the Subaru commercial)

@kr8537

5 жыл бұрын

I have Subaru Forester 2011 which is perfect for trip everywhere, anytime in snow, in mud....I had a bad accident but my Subaru didnot have noticeable damages at all. Ideal car for family too.

These 3rd Gen RAV4 odels actually look better than most any small or midsize SUV on the road today.... Funny how that goes, the aggressive stryling toda I find absurdly ugly. The conservative looking 3rd GEN is a Keeper!

@814gt well, it may be great for you but others want a 6spd

@NathanDAdlen My mistake Nathan. A flat 6 would correct. Still 6 cylinders.

@814gt Subaru makes no V6. Never have. They use a horizontally opposed - boxer - 6-cylinder (H6) which is a completely different engine.

If you presented your review more in terms of 'Why you would/wouldn't buy car X" they would be better. Other than this, some very solid reviews. Particular enjoyable because they are different than the others I typically watch.

How does the 5 speed in the Toyota last vs the cvt in the forrester?

@xtong1990

9 жыл бұрын

this typically forester doesn't have a cvt, it's a 4 speed automatic

What area of Colorado. I just took a rav4 to silver falls trail head and a little farther.

@Nbuilder1 do you have a "2011" rav 4?

Not sure if you guys know what "quirk" means, but otherwise, great video! I enjoy watching all your stuff.

@josephcazzuto7198

2 жыл бұрын

Right. They're just Doug Demuro fans 😆