Doubt your still active but I buggered up my front end pretty badly. Cracked the radiator, bottom of the core support is gone and pretty much every suspension component in the front end is shot. Who knew an 80 mph jump would do such a thing

That's a lot of work. Mine needs this and a lot more. Oh well it doesn't owe me a penny so I guess it's still cheaper than buying another work truck

Good info thanks for putting up these videos got to do that job on my 2001.

Thanks for the videos! I'm about to tackle this project on my 05 Navigator, also tearing in and doing a full timing job and exhaust manifolds while it's tore apart. Wish me luck!

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck. And thank you for the comments.

This is great I have the same problem with my 02 f150 its rusty and needs to be replaced

I am doing the same job but the mounts were kinda gone so dont really know how they go back on and cant find a video that shows it ,thanks for the washer idea!!

I have a very important message to tell everybody when it comes to Ford trucks and core support units. Please read this as it might help a lot of people. If you have a Ford Expedition, the radiator supports for the expedition have multiple part numbers to confuse people but the real truth is they interchange with many many years. I have been researching this for 3 weeks now every single day and I have spent hundreds of hours online. I've seen so many threads where people had to junk their vehicle because of this problem. Basically the Ford trucks Expedition and F-150 all have hundreds of different part numbers to confuse customers. But the real truth is there's only one or two different units that they use with all of these vehicles within a 10 to 15 year range. This is between F-150 Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator. The other problem is that they discontinued the part from Ford dealer. The reason they did this is because it was a flawed design so they put it off on the aftermarket people. The problem with that is the aftermarket parts are inferior and mechanics and Auto Body people do not like using aftermarket parts because they want everything to line up perfectly and they want to warranty their work because they have to in many cases. In my journey I was able to find a PDF file from a man who does National Insurance crashes he's basically an investigator. And I was able to find an interchange book. I found that from 2002 or 2003 support unit goes all the way to 2009 for all Expedition Lincoln Navigator and possibly even the F-150.5L1Z16138A 4L1Z16138BA Those two part numbers above is an example of how Ford tries to confuse people they will price One support at $500 at the dealer as an example and then the other part will be $1,200 and they know full well that the part is almost identical. I don't know how they get away with this legally but they are professionals and they probably know loopholes. I have read hundreds and hundreds of forums where so many people had this problem. Solution well the solution to this problem is you have two choices. You can buy an aftermarket support and explain to your mechanic that you are buying this support because it's cheaper and it's an aftermarket and his job will be a little bit harder maybe a lot harder? Solution number two would be to go to the salvage yard and pull a salvage support unit that is compatible with your year and use the Salvage support and it will line up good. The problem with the salvage yard is that they had a rusting issue with these core supports and you will almost never find one from a salvage yard unless you go to Arizona or somewhere where it is not humid human and rains a lot. The main purpose of me writing this is to save people from the pain that I have just gone through and I wish I would have done this years ago to save a lot of people from this headache. If you can find one from a junkyard good luck but do not be fooled by Ford and they're switching of part numbers. I even got pictures of several different years from the dealership and they were all identical with different part numbers and someone in my family is an auto body guy and he told me that the aftermarket part works fine. If your mechanic does not want to do the job with the aftermarket part it is because he does not like you or he is a little bit lazy and doesn't want to do the extra work to make the part fit because Ford support for the radiator is a nightmare job to begin with. I am officially done with my rent and I'm happy to help anybody if you have any questions I am officially a master on this subject

No I was able to access enough space. once everthing is freed up you should be able to do the whole job with out disconnecting the A/C it good to have some help manovering components in and out.

@elijahkyriacou9524

6 жыл бұрын

The Nissitissit Pantologist where can I get thoes washers I live in New York and have 2002 Ford F-150 and in the middle of doing the same thing

@timazzarello7870

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Nissitissit Pantologist can you tell me what size those flat washers are like the outside and inside diameter thanks.

Nice video Mark. I have a 2000 Expedition that has the same rust issues and uses the same setup for the radiator support. I'm in the process of replacing the head gaskets as I developed a leak at the 235k mile mark. Seems to be about the right mileage for the head gaskets to give out. If I'm successful with the engine repairs then I'll tackle the support replacement. I may just cut out the bottom 8" or so and weld in the replacement. Not sure I want to do the whole thing and then have issues lining up the fenders and hood.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

valpro99;; If you are going to go to the length of just cutting the bottom off you might as well take it all out. It will be much easier.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment as well.

@valpro99

7 жыл бұрын

My concern of replacing it all is the effort to get everything back aligned. Why the heck didn't Ford design this as a bolt in like my 57 Chevy. Remove a few bolts and be done with it. The rest of the under body is so rusted I'm having 2nd thoughts against doing any more work on it. Forget the head gasket replacements. I love my Expedition and really hate to give up on it. Not sure which way I want to go at the moment. Trash the SUV or forge ahead with tons of labor. I'll keep you posted.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

valpro99 Not sure where you live, but in New England if a vehicle lasts 15 years and 250,000 miles, you got your money's worth. I have 2000 F250 with 198,000 miles and it's pushed a 9ft snow plow all its life on Comercial plow contracts. I put a factory rebuilt transmission in it at 189,000 miles. now it's at a point of not on the road. I don't plow Comercial anymore, just my drive way. I'm selling it plow and all after this season. I'm not fixing it any more. I'v made the decision to let it go, rockers gone, bed has been changed once, floors going. it's time. for it to go. it doesn't owe me a penny.

@valpro99

7 жыл бұрын

I purchased my Expedition on Ebay for! 5k back in 2008 with 156k miles on it. I've done only minor repairs and love the vehicle. I just pulled off the intake manifold. Took me about 4 hours to get to that point. Ugh!. Tomorrow I'll be working on trying to free up the heads. The exhaust manifold will be a job. I was told to just torch off the bolt heads and my machinist will replace all of them in his shop. We'll see.

Hey thanks for the video. Can you tell me a few things: (1) What is the part number for the washers for the mount? (2) Are there any special tools required for the job? So far I am tracking a spot weld cutter. Any other information would be helpful as I am going to try to get all this done in 2 days.Many thanks for your time and for the video.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

6 жыл бұрын

John Poissant I Cant recall the part number. but take son measurements, and bring the new body mount with you to Fastenal they will fix you up with correct washer. As far as special tools that up the person doing the job, I have all the tools, because I am an aircraft mechanic by trade. if I had say what was special a might welder, lot's of 2inch scotch bright discs of various courses. and 90 degree grinder to do the sanding. Sorry if that isn't to helpful. let me know if you need more specifics.

@artfd3552

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenissitissitpantologist1905 I used up a lot of metal cutting wheels with my angle grinder to open up my work space. I was lucky that my heavy metal beams under the rotten core support sheet metal had only surface rust & needed nothing but a wire brushing & some antirust coating.

i plan to do same but the mounts is that a seperate part

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

5 жыл бұрын

The frame mounts are part of the repair if you find it rotted out like mine.

Thanks for the video. Did your fenders fit back on OK without any alignment issues?

I have a 2000 expedition Eddie bauer version with similar issues. I am not an auto body guy by any means.. my Lower radiator support brackets that the bottom posts of the radiator slide into are gone and both unibody support L brackets the bottom horizontal part of the L is corroded away that sits on the ladder frame brackets that you fixed.with the washers.. Are the lower brackets for the radiator and the unibody support brackets part of the radiator support frame? Or did you have to do something else to deal with that. It looked like your unibody brackets were gone as well. I can't find a close image of the area that shows me what is actually down there. Too much is missing to tell what was actually there originally.

Did you have to bend the spot with a single spot weld at the front to install the support Thanks

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure I understand your question, the only place I had to move around was one the drivers side, where the two channels came together.. and then it was because of a large gap formed from the new part.

Your welcome

On that 150 rad craddle, did you ever have any problems with the hood being too high to the fenders. I'm doing exactly this repair right now and am thinking of putting the washers to repair the body mount on the bottom of the frame instead of the top.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

5 жыл бұрын

The original problem was the hood and fenders sank at the front and we couldn't get the hood to open, all the rusted components was the cause. When everything is back together you will have to shim and adjust to make things fit correctly. An auto body shop can supply the necessary body shims if needed. Putting the washers on top or bottom makes no difference other then ease of welding, you will still have to make adjustments during assembly. Hope this helps.

@Randybootseric

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenissitissitpantologist1905 Yep, this helped, thank you. Now onto the rocker panels.

Great vid nobody else seemed to have one let alone as setback, info, expierence..I read somewhere these can be bolted in of there is clearence? I assume mine is just as rusted if not more than yours...so my question is which all the bending and mods you had to do needless to say I assume bolting in is kinda way out in left feild and not pratical once you start seeing how deep the rust goes?? Thanks in advanced great vid you guys did a stellar job!!

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

3 жыл бұрын

Mike ; I used self taping sheet metal screws to set things in place. then spot welded the whole thing together.

When replacing the support did you have a problem getting it to fit with the new rubber mounts on the frame? I put the new mounts in but can't get the support to slide into the channel left by the old support at the top left & right where the fender mounts. It seems like the rubbers aren't squashed enough. I tried tightening them more but just stripped the thread out of the mount itself. I think I might need to cut some of the metal itself to get it to line up but I was hoping for a bit of a "trick" to get it to fit.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

5 жыл бұрын

I left every thing loose while assembling. once everything was welded in then I tightened the mounts. pry bars and jacks go a long way to helping with alignment.

@JohnDavis-ij4rm

5 жыл бұрын

@@thenissitissitpantologist1905 They for sure did help. I was wondering if you had a problem with the fender not lining up one one side or the other as well, or how much adjustment did you have to do to get the gapping right between hood and fender?

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

5 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDavis-ij4rm any time you do repairs like this there is a certain amount of adjustments that need to be made all the body bolts are slotted for just that reason, you might need some body shims as well.

Where can I get thoes washers and what are the sizes I'm doing the same thing on my 2002 Ford f150

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

6 жыл бұрын

Elijah Kyriacou.Fastenal for the wahers. 2-1/4" x 4.750" OD Low Carbon Plain Finish Steel USS General Purpose Flat Washer

@elijahkyriacou9524

6 жыл бұрын

The Nissitissit Pantologist is there an email or number I can text you I I got the same size washer but they seem big for the bushing but I'm not too sure wanted too send it too you make sure it's correct

@elijahkyriacou9524

6 жыл бұрын

The Nissitissit Pantologist nevermine i got it thanks for help tho

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

6 жыл бұрын

Elijah Kyriacou email me at tugman3461@gmail.com

hello! i have Expedition 2003 and found Support on rockauto for 82$. The same time on ebay it cost 163$. Is it good idea buy on rockauto?

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

John Yes the Rock auto is a firm price, and you get it quickly.

@pilotivanovich

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Also I record video Ford Expedition - Backlash of the joints /watch?v=10r29Ksb9LI // Please, look it, is it normal ?

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

John that is normal gear backlash in the differential. Also you should check for joint ware with weight on wheels. sorry for the delay.

@pilotivanovich

7 жыл бұрын

thanks, try to look

My Ford dealer told me yesterday that the core support (I assume that's the same as the radiator support) on my 2002 F150 is rusted apart on the drivers side and almost apart on the passenger side. This may be a stupid question but just how dangerous is that for me to continue to drive it?

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

omega19628, Well?????? I suppose that is up to the owner and wether, or not you have to pass a safety inspection as we do here in Massachusetts? This particular truck got to the point where the headlights wouldn't aim correctly, and the hood wouldn't open with out a lot of trouble. but when it failed the safety inspection that's when to owner made the decision to do something. Now it should be said that the owner is close personal friend. When he asked my advise. I said let's fix it. The other alternative was to shit can the truck. As for the driving part. it should drive ok, but you risk some light aiming demise, and over the long time you doors eventually will have clearance problems from saging fenders. I hope this helps.

@omega19628

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Yes, that does help. We don't have safety inspections here in Ohio so my concern is for my personal safety. Seems like a shame to have to junk the truck because of a $200 part excluding labor considering the vehicle is still in great shape otherwise except for an oil leak which I can live with. I just can't afford a new truck. How much would you estimate it would cost to repair? The dealer didn't even quote me except to say that it would be in the thousands and not worth putting into a 15 y/o truck.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

omega19628, The cost is the $54,000 question. It depends on how far you want to take the repair, your budget, wether you are willing to take on the task yourself. In my video I think we had a couple hundred in parts. My time wasn't figured in, but if I had to figure that in, I think i had about 18 hours in it and my shop rate is around 85 an hour, so 18 x 85 = $1530.00 and would adjust that down a little, but don't forget I have welding gas, sanding and grinding supplies and a bunch of small shop incidentals. So the adjustments won't be much. My shop rate is considerablely less then most shops around here. And one must take in considerations unseen damage, that will ad to cost also.

@omega19628

7 жыл бұрын

Okay, thanks. That gives me an idea what I'd be looking at if I decide to have someone do it. No way I would attempt it myself. I don't have the tools, the space nor the experience.

@thenissitissitpantologist1905

7 жыл бұрын

omega19628 Good luck in your endeavors. thanks for asking question, knowledge is great.

Hi Mark,I'm from New England as well and have to do the exact same job on my 2002 F150. Did you have to disconnect the AC evaporator coil in anyway? Body shop told me they would need to reclaim refrigerant and remove coil. Looks like you were able to work around it with out removing. Going to attempt this in April once the warmer weather is here. Great videos big help!!!!Thanks,Justin