Try this with a indian rider who actually knows how to ride a bike.

@SJJsolomonSJJ

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I think it’ll be a helluva difference with a better rider

@DaddyDog

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly 🤦‍♂️

@Backroadsbehindhdbars

3 жыл бұрын

That guy sucks

@justinsanders5144

3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT!!! How can you even try to compare em when the indian dude can barely warm up a tire

@chaz951

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Switch riders! Let the Harley rider take the Indian for a spin and you all know what the result will be!

@josephwinkler4863

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more

@stalineasy

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@matttaylor206

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't let that clown on my harley.. Couldn't even warm his tire up without someone holding him

@terrancegriffin1046

2 жыл бұрын

Hated aide a flowing! Indian nation forevermore

@chrisc6188

2 жыл бұрын

The result would be another used RG traded in at the local Indian dealer.

Where did they find the Indian rider? Put a real rider on it, and street tires don't need to be heated up. 😤

@fogit4668

3 жыл бұрын

That is ok. The Indian rider did not know how to heat up the tires.

@FoxtrotUniformCharlieKilo774

11 күн бұрын

@@fogit4668 or shift, or use the clutch, or figure out what gear he was in, or how to launch a bike....

No way the Harley Davidson would win if the pilot of both had the same skills 🤠

@SuperSummit123

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding and the Indian rider was half the weight

@mcyclhound

3 жыл бұрын

That Big Chief will get You home when the Hardley-Abelson has puked its guts out

@northrider8628

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcyclhound I don't know about that🤠 but they aren't going to win a race against that Indian stock against stock...

@landonfolken03

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly considering the Indian made a huge comeback on the first run and almost won

@MaverickIFFI

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcyclhound that's a Challenger

This isn't a put down, but perhaps the Indian rider can go to the Chris Moore drag racing class. Helpful criticism hopefully. T.S. RACING 💪🏍🇺🇸

@tonyt8805

3 жыл бұрын

Not a put down at all! 💯 I think everyone would’ve love to see equal riding skills and the same weight of the riders. To give us a real performance data. 😉

@t.s.racing

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tony 👍🇺🇸

@SJJsolomonSJJ

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@tonymiller4109

3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree

@josephwinkler4863

2 жыл бұрын

In the nicest way possible I would say the exact same thing

The difference was in riders. You can tell the Indian rider didn’t have near the amount of experience then the RG rider. The guy had trouble warming up the tire on the first run. And road the shit out of the clutch on the first run too. The only thing that saved the Indian rider was the horse power. Having nearly 33 more HP definitely helped him catch up to the RG. Switch riders and see what happens. I bet the RG rider would dust the Indian rider if they switched bikes.

I have a 2020 Challenger. I've had a 2018 Harley Heritage 114 and a modded 2007 Street Glide. The Challenger stomps a mudhole in both their asses from a performance/handling/braking/comfort standpoint. As a performance bagger, the Indian is a cut above. That being said, with such competition, Harley will continue to improve their product and we all benefit in the long run. Riding the new Pan America demonstrates the capability of the motor company.

@donniebaker5984

3 жыл бұрын

pan American = 150 HP ...wonder how many will be stolen for the engine to build a chopper

@ModernNeandertal

3 жыл бұрын

I test rode the Pan Am yesterday and that mother is fast.

@KevXRDuke

2 жыл бұрын

The Sportster looks good too. Except for the single disc in the front. Whoever thought of that setup needs to find a new job. Even Roadsters had dual discs upfront.The new Sportster has double the HP. I ride a 2010 XR1200. With Nissin dual discs. Same as the Honda CBR600RR.

@sokodad

2 жыл бұрын

Love the Pan American but bit too rich for my blood.

@paulf9653

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad the engines are failing on the PanAms. Haven't heard of any issues with the Sportster S yet. Hopefully HD gets it figured out.

I like both brands but I’m a firm believer in bring what you have and that includes rider/driver. A better rider will make a difference no doubt. Indian bike needed a better rider.

Love my Harley Davidson street glide and hopefully I'll never have to get rid of it... But, I was to buy brand new tomorrow, it would be a liquid cooled engine. I dig those new challengers

@redline455

Жыл бұрын

Just get the Harley Twin Cooled Milwaukee 8. Then you don't have to ditch the Harley love, and you get your liquid cooled engine. Best of both worlds.

Love this rivalry, do t ever want it to stop! INDIAN NATION FOREVER!!!!

It’s NOT the machine , it’s THE man……. Both bikes are outstanding masterpiece.

Me personally, doesn't really matter, They're both good bikes. It's just personal preference. But I like the harley a little more over the Indian for small things. I don't really care about more power and more speed, mine has plenty to get me down the road very efficiently and Alive. I'm after the relaxing ride, Not a Drag race every time I get on it..

@user-bm7oz6ez5d

7 ай бұрын

Then it would be the Indian. My opinion

I am a dyed in the wool Harley man but those Indians kick ass, lets be honest... Still wouldnt buy one though 😆😆

@paulliberato689

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve owned 14 Harleys. I have an Indian Challenger now. Miss the Harley mystique and brotherhood but the Indian is a better machine.

@samcook2003

2 жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏🏾

@SSgtBlueUSMC0369

Жыл бұрын

@@paulliberato689 That’s why I’ll be making the switch also. I’m tired of spending $$$$ to fix all the shorty comings on my RGL. The CP is just next level. Bone stock it’s a bad bike for sure. Can’t wait to take one on a 1000 mile ride this next year!

Too bad their riding skills weren't equal. 💯 Come on Jack...... Ken Koby vs Barney Fife 😂😂😂😂

Wow!!! Give the indian a shot with a guy that doesn't suck!!!

Put pro riders that are similar weight on them. For shit sake, the Harley guy is 6 inches taller and 75lbs more in weight.

It's like watching stationwagons drag race... I love my baggers ,but I surely don't buy them to set land speed records .. I mean how fast do you need to get to bike night ? Lol

@AltoAtik

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao facts bought mine for comfort and long distance trips

@marcmaz21

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say like 2 hippos racing, but station wagons is pure genius. Well done.

@dsiz9421

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Exactly

I’d say the Challenger lot of it is in the driver two

That’s the very first time I have ever seen someone stall a motorcycle in a drag race 😂

@tripacer8259

8 ай бұрын

He was kind of a "limp wrist" rider at best.....

I am a Harley-Davidson fanatic but that Indian motorcycle is nice as hell man and I would pick the Indian over the Harley, because it's just a better looking Bike, that makes good power

@bobbertwentytank9267

3 жыл бұрын

and besides that, it pushes more HP and to get the Harley to look like the Indian your going to need another 10k

@Mildern

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know man... I own an Indian Challenger and while I think it is better than the road glide in most ways, looks isn't one of them. Power. Specs. Tech. Sure.. but the road glide wins on looks imo.

@sokodad

2 жыл бұрын

Road Glide is far better looking bike to me. Like the Chieftain/Roadmaster fairing better.

@BadActor-

2 жыл бұрын

Resale Blows...

@ljohnson9440

2 жыл бұрын

@@BadActor- Big time and unfortunately it will never change.

Me and my stunning 2019 Indian Springfield in gray and burgundy are watching this together. Friends to the end! Cruiser heaven, all day, every day. Come on all you Harley snobs, try an Indian, you know you wanna!

Find a driver for that Indian motorcycle, that knows what he's doing please!

I'm 56 years old, been riding motorcycles since I was 8 years old and I'm hear to tell you, neither of those guys know how to drag. Both of the riders are short shifting the whole way down the track.

@daviddavis8653

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, 52 years old here and riding since 7 years old, neither of them were shifting their bikes at the right time, I could probably beat both of them with my 107 Tri-Glide

Lmfao put a real rider on that Challenger and it’s lights out any day of the week

@ttrguy9952

3 жыл бұрын

NOPE!!

@beerentsgarage90

3 жыл бұрын

Guy on road glide polished knew what he was doing… guy on challenger asleep at the tree and choked, but won 3rd race proof is in the pudding

@germanengineering204

3 жыл бұрын

@@ttrguy9952 yes not even close, and this is coming from an owner of a Road glide!

I think if these 2 stock bikes were being piloted by seasoned drag riders you would find a very different result. I have seen the Challenger dominating the bagger class in GP style racing. I will say this I have rode all the models of Harley-Davidson baggers and all the Indian Baggers and I believe that the Indian ThunderStroke has more torque on tap in a totally stock format. The Challenger is a different breed in its design and makes more power in the mids and highs with its engine. If Harley were to take the Pan-Am engine and make it 108 CI and put it in a redesigned RoadGlide chassis I think it would be a better comparison. I prefer the ergonomics of the Indian's cockpit. I am not a very big guy and Harley-Davidson's bagger cockpits feel very cramped for me. I feel more comfortable and relaxed on a Chieftain. That said, I still own a 1959 XLCH as a bar-hopper stunt around town ripper. When I decide to pull the trigger on a bagger it will be a Chieftain with a 116. I love that bike for an American Tourer. To be fair though, I will also put a Triumph Rocket Triple full touring in the shed too. My thing is I want one of each of the 3 oldest names in the game that being Indian in 1901, Triumph in 1902, and Harley-Davidson in 1903. I am not a brand loyalist, I am a 2 wheel enthusiast. If I buy another Harley it is going to be a flathead powered servi-car that I will build as a clone of the one my dad had when I was a kid. Let the rivalry between Harley and Indian continue to go back and forth because it was that rivalry in the beginning that drove them to continually innovate and produce amazing machines for the consumer. You can't go wrong with either machine they are both legends and provide incredible products. Each have their shortcomings and superior features. To answer is one better than the other is impossible because it depends completely on an individual's perspective and what the person values as important to their riding experience. As long as you have the wind in your beard, the sun at your back, the horizon ahead, and no desire to stop, it doesn't matter what you choose because you understand the calling. Thanks for sharing.

Guy on the Indian is no Rider. That’s the difference.

@ORTEZW

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly right a problem can't even do a burnout

Harley-davidson all the way. It's what I grew up with and still ride. After seeing that launch all I can say is don't line up besides me

The price of these bikes are more like $28,000-$30,000

@SJJsolomonSJJ

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking 🤔

@easonjones3676

3 жыл бұрын

That is the only place they are close.

@todddillon3907

3 жыл бұрын

I paid $23,000 for my challenger at Daytona during bike week. Not in sale. Base model

@Mildern

3 жыл бұрын

The Challenger in this video was a base model about 23.5k. The road glide was a road glide special that goes around 28k.

Both great American motorcycles👌🇺🇸🏍💨🔥

I have three HDs and I know the Indian at stock to stock has us beat. Nice engineering, it's just the customization and nostalgia that keeps me with HD.

@paulf9653

2 жыл бұрын

@Car&Track7 maybe but that will push Indian to up its game. Too bad the PanAm engines are already failing and HD doesn't know why.

@thehardcorecollector9355

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulf9653 Yes competition is needed for both the American V twin makers. Personally riding Harley Davidson I believe in the long term harley still has an overall advantage in terms of the customization and dealer support and even culture. The machines are solid is just a matter of doing a little after market stuff to really make it your perfect ride, but the same can be said for any other motorcycle company. Both of these manufacturers like all the other ones have to contend with the EPA restrictions which has forced Indian and soon Harley to go full liquid cooled. I think the biggest issue with the new Harley bikes is all of the new electronics that are being put into them as Indian has had similar issues with all the new electronics in their bikes early on. That new revmax platform really has a lot riding on it and from what I've heard the engine does perform it's just a matter of making the overall product more fine tuned, but since it is a new product I'm sure it will take a little bit of time to truly perfect. There is a ass ton of technology in the revmax engine and as long as Harley keeps the quality control up and keeps investing into their platform (which they have said that they are going to do) I'm sure the RevMax platform eventually will be a real cultural phenomenon shift because the possibilities will be increased even more for American Motorcycling.

Overhead valves will always beat the pushrod in a race but you can’t beat the sound of that pushrod thump

@breakoutpete210

3 жыл бұрын

Harley-Davidson Character and soul…🔥🔥🔥

@thollingsworth4910

3 жыл бұрын

Both twins have overhead valves

@rickykeaton9236

3 жыл бұрын

@@thollingsworth4910 Indian his overhead cam and overhead valve’s. New patent 2019 Harley stayed with pushrods on both sides of the engine and overhead valves on the new engine. The Indian will waste harley in every race.To get the thump from the pushrods you have to change the cams In the new Harleys

@thollingsworth4910

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickykeaton9236 I ride a victory. I'm well aware of what the Indian is all I'm saying is I don't see no flat head engines on any of those bikes 🤣

@white_devil73

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickykeaton9236 the stock Harley cam and the slightly unbalanced crank is what gives the signature sound. Mine has a slightly quicker idle but still has that "thump."

??? You guys do realize this is already been done with both in stock form and both stage two and Indian destroys by almost half a second get a real rider on the Indian

Before even watching the video I’m gonna say I prefer the tech of the Indian. Harleys are undeniably fun to look at as an art form but I haven’t been beaten yet on my 800cc Honda Interceptor by by a Harley. Gotta admit, a V Rod smoked me after we hit about a buck fifty but that’s a Porsche engine, so doesn’t count. I’m not a hater. V Rods are dope af and Harleys are beautiful. 🏍

@ljohnson9440

2 жыл бұрын

The motor was tuned by Porsche for streetability ,it is a Harley made motor.

@robpatton647

2 жыл бұрын

Birth of the VRod will tell everything about the Revolution engine. I believe the engine came from the VR 1000 Harley racing bike but kept overheating and Porsche came in with their touch to keep it cool.

@michaelhaddix2024

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 Harley Davidson Muscle and she tops out at the rev limiter at 150 mph. I will state it gets there pretty quick for a Harley though and it is fun to ride around town.

These are touring bikes but i guess the Harley can start the road trip faster.

Even when the Indian Rider still can't get off the line .. he has a trap speed of 102.8 vs 95.3 MPH that is seriously faster.. If Indian Copied HD they made a lot of improvments too like way better suspension components and a Cast Alluminum frame..

I look at the most important thing which is dealership support and their network, Harley Davidson has them best hands down. Most HD dealerships are even open 7 days a week. There are no Indian dealerships in my area. If I'm traveling across the country and have a mechanical i want the peace of mind.

@liscomb20

3 жыл бұрын

See the thing is we don't need a dealership in every town Indians are more reliable. Lol

@kennethwise7108

3 жыл бұрын

@@liscomb20 and NEVER need serviced either? GTFOH

@billbiker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm on an Indian and I have to admit you're right. I don't know if there is an Indian dealership open on Sunday and many close way before 5 on Saturday. Also Harley dealerships really know how to make you feel like you're part of a community. My experience with Indian was: thanks for buying our 30 grand bike.. bye👋LOL. But damn it's a nice ride and this guy never put it in sport mode he had it in touring or rain mode.

@kennethwise7108

3 жыл бұрын

@@billbiker thank you for your honesty I would own an Indian if there was a dealer Network and one especially in my area. There used to be a victory dealer but since they pulled the plug on Victory this owner has no desire to open up an Indian dealership there. Makes no sense at all

@rodfriesen245

3 жыл бұрын

This is what Harley is left clinging to?

I'm a Harley Rider and I would still pick my Road Glide over the Indian just because I like the looks of the Road Glide better... but anybody who's paying attention knows that a stock Challenger is going to spank a stock Road Glide any day, so this was seriously a very pointless video. What I was hoping to see is a custom built Road Glide against a custom-built Challenger, that would be a fun race... since the Challenger is liquid-cooled it still probably has more potential but would still be fun to watch.

I've ridden both bikes. The Indian is faster. And not by a little bit either. It's a lot faster.

@landonfolken03

3 жыл бұрын

Made a huge comeback and almost won the first run. It's obvious who the winner is.

@noname-jr1vo

3 жыл бұрын

@@landonfolken03 I didn't watch the whole thing. I don't really watch slow bikes race. But I am a Harley Tech. I own a shop. I've ridden both bikes. Multiple times. The Indian is a lot faster. It has less horsepower than the harley. But it weighs less and has almost twice the torque. And the Indian scout. It's the fastest little cruiser I've ever ridden. That little thing is a rocket ship. Polaris did a good job designing and building those bikes.

Stock Harley ain't beating a stock challenger. That 108 challenger eclipses the competition.

@redline455

Жыл бұрын

Very true. That is until you get on a Road Glide ST. That 117 is a great engine, makes better bottom end twist than the Challenger and feels like it pulls close to the same on thr top end. They both put about 105HP down at the rear wheel so it should be pretty comparable. I've riden both and both are great machines. Harley has the edge when it comes to quality and fit and finish though. Ride safe.

Jack that was funny as hell when you said those women go out there In search of THOSE Winners 🏆 LMMFAO, I could have died laughing when you said that as I'm sitting here on my bar stool at home watching this video...

@chaz951

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The Indian bike isn't the problem, its the rider

His skill level was low and still almost won, that speaks volumes to the bike. He probably didn’t even put it in sport mode

@SJJsolomonSJJ

3 жыл бұрын

You got a point

Indian might be faster but it won't ever look as good as a Harley.

@boburwell9921

3 жыл бұрын

Never. I looked at a scout up close looks very honda

I think they are both great bikes, and each bring a lot to the table in their own rights. I think the Harley has the edge in quality of product, but Polaris..er...Indian has things done right with that liquid cooled twin. Seems to be a nice engine. Most just comes down to rider preference. Strong low end twist from the 114 Milwaukee 8, or top end power of the Liquid cooled twin....that's what makes competition great. Both products will push the other to improve. For both Harley and Indian fans, it will just benefit both camps for the consumer in the long run. Ride safe everyone.

That Burnout ain’t looking to good!! 😂

Guy on the Indian weighs like 50 lbs less and, can't ride.

I'm a Harley rider, but I bought a Challenger when they 1st came out, I really liked the looks of them, but I couldn't take it no more, I had to get rid of the Challenger. I had nothing but engine issues, and Indians lack of a dealer network, ment my Challenger sat at 2 dealers for a total of 8 mos.. So glad I kept my Harley, otherwise I wouldn't been able to ride. I know its a machine made by man, and they all have their issues, but after 2 dealerships and countless techs couldn't fix my Challenger, not to mention Indian wouldn't buy it back, I said no more. Never had those issues with my Harleys, I have 60k on my '04 Electra and she's never left me stranded.

@AmericanOutlaw

2 жыл бұрын

BS

@paulf9653

2 жыл бұрын

Challengers may have a few quirks but the engine ain't one of them. That engine is rock solid.

Video starts at 6:00

The RG price you quoted is for the 114 or 107? Just saying 😌

Still buying an Indian and letting loydz do its magic just waiting for cam and big bore.

I ride a 2011 Harley Streetglide 103 with some tuning done. I recently test rode a stock 2022 Harley 114 Roadglide and a stock 2020 Indian 116 Chieftain. The Chieftain felt more powerful and was faster than the Roadglide.

@thehardcorecollector9355

Жыл бұрын

It's funny that people always say that as if Indian has completely reinvented the wheel. No disrespect to Indian but once Harley Davidson has to go full liquid cooled it's gonna be a whole new ball game and the Indian tribe are gonna have to watch out because they won't be able to compare their liquid cool engines to twin cooled or air cool engines of Harley. I think it's an underappreciated fact how much Harley can push air cooled motors in the 21st century but like all things that will eventually come to an end due to the EPA restrictions

Wow. I dont need to watch this to tell you i smoke road glides all day with my challenger. Switch riders, see what happens.

Indian isn’t an Indian it’s a Polaris plus they don’t look nearly as good as the Harley Davidsons. There also isn’t Dodge or Ram or Jeep anymore, they are all Fiats now.

@tonyt8805

3 жыл бұрын

🔥 💯 🔥

@Hayabusa0268

3 жыл бұрын

Still both American made. "Indialaris" still more power to the ground 💪😅🤣😂

@mauricedavis2905

3 жыл бұрын

Harley Davidson bikes look old as hell and the engines are hat garbage

@oldridersteve217

3 жыл бұрын

Likely the Indian has more American parts and labor in it than Harley. Polaris is a solid co. Been on there snowmobiles 40yrs. I have owned both and love both. Currently disgusted with Indians customer serv, it may kill them.

That was a circus!!

Indian motors are engineered by S&S Motors, the internals are S&S the exterior look is Indian. They also build the Indian Flat Track bikes at S&S Headquarters, saw it myself 3 of them sitting on build benches.

This is about as legit as the presidential election....

@maiomonster

3 жыл бұрын

What you're saying is you're not happy with the outcome so you will cry about it.

Get another driver

I'm just now at the 8 minute Mark and still watching the video for the first time but I will tell you the Indian motorcycle needs a rider put on it... I'm sure that's a nice dude and all but he is not a drag racer that's meant to be on a fully dressed out road bike and that Indian with an equal writer on it would probably outrun that Harley every time but that overhead cam isn't such a bad thing when reliable horsepower is concerned

@johngriffim8616

3 жыл бұрын

My little brother bought a '73 Z1 after months before I got a NEW 1980 KZ 1000. He thought it was hot, I smoked him! We traded, I smoked him with his bike! They need to trade, that will put the Harley in its place!

Something that should be mentioned. That liquid cooled Indian can do this all day every day for weeks. The air cooled dinosaur however, will need to be in the shop the next day. All things equal the HP advantage will always go to the liquid cooled motor. It's the HP advantage that allows the Indian to pull away top end. If the Harley doesn't win at the tree it doesn't stand a chance in the 1/4 mile.

Anybody that knows anything about Racing can watch this video can see which BIKE will get down the track faster… it ain’t the HD… I’ve been kicking Non-Stock HD’s Asses on a Victory Vision for a Long, Long Time. The Harley Looks a Little better to me… The on;y place you can’t beat a Harley is on its Kickstand. 😀

Good marketing move Indian, you have the faster bike & then get a dude that cant ride to showcase your product............

@kbp213

3 жыл бұрын

Lol….Facts

You can never wear out a Harley. It's always worth rebuilding unlike other disposable bikes

@ttrguy9952

3 жыл бұрын

YUP!!

@easonjones3676

3 жыл бұрын

Some other bikes never need rebuilding.

@boburwell9921

3 жыл бұрын

Bic lighters

@dsiz9421

Жыл бұрын

You have to mod them just to make them fast. Lol

" KING OF THE BAGGERS ! ! ! " The two top brand cruisers no doubt but at the end of the day it's the rider's skills , but don't take my word for it just ask Tyler O'Hara : WHO'S BAD ? ! ! ! 🗨️☝️😎✨⚡💥💨🔥🔥🔥

Did Harley Davidson get to pick both riders for this race?

My twin cam 88 is faster than that m8, crazy

The HEAT is On ....👍👌👍

Shouldn’t it be stock Indian 108 vs stock Harley 107? And not a 114

Indian seems faster. Harley is there though.

@larrybavis6266

3 жыл бұрын

Correction Indian IS faster as long as you put someone on the bike who can drive the bike and maybe not stall the bike , not even getting out of the gate

@toolbrothers1477

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a Harley guy and yea the challenger is faster. That’s why the bagger racing league says you can only have a 110 Indian or 131 vtwin

Indian all the way because they came into the motorcycle scene before anyone else did and are awesome motorcycles that represents their strong tradition.

@TurboRanger351

3 жыл бұрын

I just wonder how many years Indian didn't even make a motorcycle 🤔

@surendrang3489

3 жыл бұрын

@@TurboRanger351 probably,in the 'stone age' bro...

Right now i have two HD bikes and I have test driven both the RG and Challenger as I am considering my next bike. HD has the fit and finish, but in noway matches the motor of the Challenger. The Challenger has a modern motor with OHC and water cooling. From what I have investigaed, the internals of the Chellenger motor are far superior to the M8. I am waiting for a full up tourer with the Challenger model and then will buy my next bike.

Harley has been anemic for years. I think they got away with the "sell an underpowered bike and rake in thousands for performance parts and labor" racket for too long. The competition from Indian is a good thing.

@JohnDoeSmith08

Жыл бұрын

Unless it's an EPA thing the performance parts can't cost that much more to make. Why not just start with them? I know, they make more money this way.

Dangggg I’m a fan of both but let’s be real if that Indian had an actual rider mod on it the Indian would of won hands down

I will stick with the company that has never gone out of business, Sorry there is only one. Harley all the way, the rest just follow and try to copy them

@vaughnfontenot4535

3 жыл бұрын

What about when they sold off to the bowling ball guys

@heraldlee8112

3 жыл бұрын

Polaris n victory..lol

@six0twodot1dotlove

3 жыл бұрын

AMF owned harley for years Ronald Reagan bailed them out then Kawasaki bought harley i don't know why harley guys always bring up Polaris. Indian is really a better bike. The Victory was arguably the best bike on the road before discontinued for Indian. I know people are loyal to a brand but don't dog others for handling business

@DCdrumrdad1

3 жыл бұрын

@@six0twodot1dotlove It’s ALL in the NADA or KBB resale value when you’re talking “big twin” touring models. Harley-Davidson Motor Co. still wins by a huge margin (source-WSJ).

@davidleonard8369

3 жыл бұрын

@@six0twodot1dotlove Kawasaki bought Harley Davidson ? Please elaborate.

Better rider would help the Indian fo sho 😉

A stock Harley won’t beat a stock Indian challenger. Coming from a Harley owner!

Tip for the Indian rider- 1. Lean forward man... 2. Stop being afraid of the bike, its far too heavy to cartwheel. 3. SEND IT MAN! King of the Baggers champion 2 times running: Indian Challenger. 126hp 126tq That's on a restrictive, government compliant, emissions based limp dick OEM tune. Throw on an exhaust, intake and proper tune... lord have mercy what it can do...

The Polaris Indian Challenger is a nice bike for sure , But the Harley stirs my soul more.. and that’s what matters with these types of bikes .

@charlielawe7388

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the AMF bowling pin, that Honda bailed out and brought Harley away from almost extinction. Is nice but i prefer technology and pure liquid cooling over the old styling.

@charlielawe7388

3 жыл бұрын

Don't be mad because I know the truth 🤣😂. And FYI Indian started 1901 so I'll stick with the original motorcycle manufacturer.

@charlielawe7388

3 жыл бұрын

@Bob Davidson history is a teacher

@incrediblydrunk

3 жыл бұрын

Indian ceased in 1953 . Polaris bought the Indian name in 2011. One would have to infer they had difficulty selling under the Victory brand even though the bikes themselves were well loved .hence they bought a name which carried recognition,. Seems to be a good business move so far . Still a Polaris Indian though .

@harleyhawk7959

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlielawe7388 crap statement and BS

The REAL competition is which holds its value better! American consumers choose H-D for that reason quite often.

@reecetbobby5347

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure Harley will be the resale champion after the company goes belly up. Time will tell I guess....

Rg with 114 starts at $26,699.....and that's a base challenger which starts at $23,999....terrible info in this video. And get equal riders....

Harley has the 131 engine now, no? Bring a road glide equipped with one next for curiosity's sake.

I am considering purchasing a Yamaha V-Max for the Pure simple Pleaser of totally embarassing HD Stage IV bikes with a bone stokc V-Max still way faster..

@KevXRDuke

2 жыл бұрын

Are you insane? You think a VMAX is way faster than these 2 bikes???? A VMAX is way, way, way fucking faster!!!!!

@dsiz9421

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! These vids always crack me up. You have to mod both of these engines just to be fast!

I would love to race my stock Victory Vision against a 107 or 114 Stock Road -Glide. My buddies all state they need to put on the stage 2 prior to racing me.

@ljohnson9440

2 жыл бұрын

Both would smoke you,one easier than the other.

@thehardcorecollector9355

Жыл бұрын

It is true that you get more power stock from Indian but so many people get caught up simply on value based purchasing and spec sheet read out. Once Harley Davidson has to go full liquid cooled I think Indian is gonna have to go back to their drawing board, but of course I definitely want the best for both of them although I do personally favor harley due to the overall culture, style, sound, feel, customization and support that the brand has both from factory and 3rd party. We'll just have to see how it goes, I just hope the last couple years of air cool from Harley will go out with success and that they will be able to find tune their new revolution Max platform because they have already invested a lot, it's just a matter of working out some of the kinks. Mostly electronic from what I've heard.

Indian vs. Harley... It was bound to happen sooner or later... It happened here on Cycle Drags... 150lbs Indian Rider vs. 300lbs. Harley Rider...you know people are going to wanna use everything to excuse a win or loss according to their favorite manufacturer...hp vs torque... motorcycle weight... it'll never end...HD for me...

@billfischer8057

3 жыл бұрын

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Need a real motorcycle rider for that indian. He must be thinking Iam running an autopilot tesla 😆 🤣 😂

The Super Polaris is a soulless appliance Wish version of an HD. The only reason you buy a big American cruiser at these price points is heritage. If it were about objective performance you would buy a Japanese bike, but it isn't. So Harley has the Heritage and this 9th iteration of Indian does not.

@AmericanOutlaw

2 жыл бұрын

The "heritage" of poor customer service, unhonored warranties, manufactuing defects, foreign made parts, and a whole lot of mechandise to get you 'branded' into your cult. You clearly drank the kool-aid, got seconds and then sacrificed yourself on the logo that is HD.

@raceboy1971

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanOutlaw Why are you so angry? None of that is true or at least different like selling merch. I own many bikes Look at my channel, all the recent content is for the 2021 Honda Rebel 1100. Stellar bike, period. The only people in a cult are those drinking the Polaris "heritage" Kool-aid. So much so they pay the premium for something they aren't actually getting and it shows in poor resale values. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

@ronlind1757

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be an absolute fool to pop 24k on the cheesy Polaris. Neighbor has one.. high school kid hack service in the 5 state area, no full cradle frame under the Polaris either (check it out), and there's like 3 accessories you can buy for it to enhance the tasteless styling.. along with shit resale value. Polaris is a bit faster.. so what, can't build the engine like an HD if you chose to. To each his own though....

@mrdude3540

16 күн бұрын

Indian challenger took the crown from Harley hands down. Everyone knows it.

Harley-Davidson is King, period

@rschris

3 жыл бұрын

Well competition is always better for the rider, if that’s what takes to get Harley-Davidson to bring our Road Glides up to date !!

@gerardorockerman69

3 жыл бұрын

It was haha. Harleys are pretty and sound good, you want a better touring bike? Get a BMW better engine, better chassis, better brakes, (brembo) better suspension, adjustable windscreen etc.. etc... etc.. you don't need to spend an arm on engine suspension etc..

@AmericanOutlaw

2 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a true clueless HD cultist

Actually did test rides on both, almost bought a Harley RGST but the dealers were too proud of the bike to sell it… LOL…. So went with a Challenger Dark Horse in the Titanium Smoke Metallic. Did test rides on the Harley product 7 years ago and hated them, hated the shake. Rode them last month and they were much, much better hence the reason I almost bought one. But the Challenger was better equipped and more comfortable.

I don’t think either one of them have to worry about knocking the back tire off! Lol

Results would be different if you had the right rider on the Indian. I've worked for both brands, still currently with Indian. Great rivalry, but I'm for the tribe all the way!

I have a 114 FXDRS and my Challenger will smoke it. Easy. Not to mention the FXDRS is probably 200lbs lighter.

Guy on the Indian must have thought it was a hammock race lol

That track gets sticky if you don't know what you are doing... lol

Seriously, put someone who knows how to ride on that Challenger. I waste Harley's all day long.

Harley rider looks considerably larger than the guy on the Indian. Good fifty pounds or better. Makes a difference

@kodyhowe2729

3 жыл бұрын

Guy on the indian can't ride though. Kinda like most harley riders.

Both great bikes and a 100 year rivalry! Glad I didn’t buy my Road Glide to drag race!

Personally I would have the Indian any day. Harley doesn't dare race Kawasaki , Suzuki or Yamaha in stock class. Harley knows it can't compete with the Japanese bikes. I have Suzuki and Honda bikes and Harley Davidson isn't even close

@toddgittins5692

3 жыл бұрын

Really? You're pretty smart, but they're made of monkey metal. Lot of Kamasuzki boat anchors sailing around the seas.

I'd love to run my s@s T143 against the Indian. But who cares, 2 wheels is still fun to ride around. Each has their own preference though.

@UnrulyRider

2 жыл бұрын

That is a real apples to oranges comparison... 143ci race crate engine vs a stock OEM 108ci engine. Not hard to imagine the outcome of that race.

That’s all he need is more practice 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Where can I buy a New road glide special with paint options for 21500??

This does prove that the rider/driver is very important in drag racing. Get Tim to send Josh to ride the Indian and see what happens. Honestly the Harley-Davidson did better than I thought it would, better rider.