1988 Catholics vs. Convicts -- Notre Dame 31 Miami 30

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October 15, 1988: Top ranked Miami was a 4 point favorite over fourth ranked Notre Dame in South Bend. The over/under was 41.5.
The famous Cleveland Gary play is at 2:38:15. The officiating crew unbelievably botched the call, somehow believing it was 4th and goal. To this day conventional wisdom and countless summaries of the game call it a fumble. It was not ruled a fumble. The referees incorrectly awarded the ball to Notre Dame on downs. Initially one member of the officiating crew admitted the gaffe. Then the entire group clammed up once it became obvious that if they merely shut up they could avoid scrutiny and embarrassment while the college football world conveniently described it as a fumble.
Google the phrase, "Ref: UM fumble call was wrong" to see the related article in the Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel from three days after the game, including many devastating quotes from that unnamed member of the officiating crew.

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  • @tomsurber2293
    @tomsurber22933 жыл бұрын

    I've been a devout Notre Dame fan through eight different decades and I'm blessed to have seen countless incredible moments in person at Notre Dame Stadium. I could watch a thousand years of Notre Dame football and no game could ever mean as much to me as this one. Lou was right in saying it was the Notre Dame spirit that was the difference, because only in that atmosphere at Notre Dame Stadium would that incredible Miami team turn the ball over seven times, which contributed greatly to ND winning by a single point. It was an incredible game played by two fantastic teams and it will always be my favorite college football memory.

  • @thefrase7884

    @thefrase7884

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree Tom.... the greatest college game I’ve ever seen. I’m glad I watched it being neutral. I couldn’t imagine being a fan of one of these schools

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    2 жыл бұрын

    Respect to your comment. I am a Miami alum and attended the rematch game, in the Orange Bowl, at night, the following year (November 1989). It was my senior year as an undergraduate student. That "payback" game -- which far and away was the loudest the Orange Bowl had ever been, and broke all OB attendance records at 80,000+ fans, and you can include all college and NFL games played there, including four Super Bowls -- wouldn't have had much meaning had this 1988 game not been the epic that it was.

  • @melissaobryant6663

    @melissaobryant6663

    2 жыл бұрын

    T ml mo

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    College sucks. Nobody is allowed into notre dame and miami. You have to be a rich Cuban to live in miami. The nfl is the best.

  • @irishcole3516

    @irishcole3516

    Жыл бұрын

    Well put sir here’s hoping that you enjoy many more years to watch Notre Dame football.

  • @BrianPex
    @BrianPex Жыл бұрын

    It’s great that all these years later CBS still has the same exact theme music - the best of all sports. It’s awesome.

  • @BruceWayne-ri4wr

    @BruceWayne-ri4wr

    Жыл бұрын

    Back when this was so awesome One of my great memories of college football even though I'm in Nebraska fan and I hated Miami lol but these games were awesome and I'm also a devout Christian they would never let him have a title now called Christians versus convicts which is what a Catholic is a Christian cuz I'm Catholic we're Christians Christians versus convicts in Miami loved being called the convicts because they like to be in the bad guys now they would say you're calling black guys criminals lol they would never let him say that even though none of these black guys were offended we just lived in a different world then cuz we knew we weren't actually calling them criminals it was just their image and they loved it like Michael Irvin said we love that but now they would call you a bigot for saying that The world is just screwed up I want this world back right here when this game was played the way the world was

  • @BigRob0329
    @BigRob03293 жыл бұрын

    I love watching these old football games with the commercials.

  • @pauledwards1157
    @pauledwards11572 жыл бұрын

    I was a senior at Notre Dame when this game was played. I still remember that day very well. Incredible atmosphere and the best college football game I’ve ever seen. Still remember the feeling when they missed the two point conversion and storming the field. It was awesome!

  • @jemeeladams1197

    @jemeeladams1197

    Жыл бұрын

    That's awesome!

  • @brettfavreify
    @brettfavreify5 жыл бұрын

    I shudder to think what this rivalry would be like with social media today. The NCAA would probably call out the National Guard.

  • @damienkirksey7026

    @damienkirksey7026

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Mitchell Movie Productions No he's right

  • @thefrase7884

    @thefrase7884

    3 жыл бұрын

    Liberals vs Trump supporters

  • @johnwalker6393

    @johnwalker6393

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL GOOD ONE

  • @shshskateproductions2250

    @shshskateproductions2250

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thefrase7884 you spelled terrorist wrong.

  • @Jerzydeb

    @Jerzydeb

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@shshskateproductions2250 u r right, Terrorist vs Trump Supporters. .... or Taliban Supporters vs Trump Supporters- thats more like it.

  • @JLayneHudson
    @JLayneHudson3 жыл бұрын

    I grew up in South Bend and have been a die hard Irish fan my whole life. I was 20 years old when this game was played and will never forget the excitement before, during and after this game. I had one of those famous t-shirts that I treasured but sadly lost track of it decades ago.

  • @swedejohanson7739

    @swedejohanson7739

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had the shirt too. Was on Campus two weeks before this game and a guy walked up w a box of em. I remember they were all the same size, XL, and the guy wasn’t trying to hang around. It was done quickly. Hell, it may of been one of the guys on the 30 for 30? Who knows? I think the shirt was $10 bucks. I wish I still had it

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    Notre dame wouldn't let you in. You didn't even try for the stadium janitor like Rudy did. Are you making minimum wage?

  • @dentonyoung4314
    @dentonyoung43146 жыл бұрын

    That last Miami "touchdown" would have been an incomplete pass by today's catch rules.

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    They re updated the rule so now it stands again today in '22

  • @benjaminraff7878

    @benjaminraff7878

    Жыл бұрын

    But today's rules aren't relevant to 34 years ago.

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    He didn't catch it. Plain and simple. Ref missed it.

  • @monroemitchell8175
    @monroemitchell81753 жыл бұрын

    Miami had 7 turnovers and lost by one point. That's crazy.

  • @swedejohanson7739

    @swedejohanson7739

    2 жыл бұрын

    ND made alot of mistakes too. The Irish shoulda won this game by 2 scores.

  • @goj2038

    @goj2038

    2 жыл бұрын

    ND had something to do with those 7 turnovers. That’s amazing.

  • @TheSKT946

    @TheSKT946

    Жыл бұрын

    Double crazy. Crazy they would make that many turnovers, albeit against an outstanding coached ND team, and crazy that they only lost by 1 considering.

  • @conorcane1211

    @conorcane1211

    Жыл бұрын

    @@swedejohanson7739 HAHAH THATS FUNNY

  • @shawnyoung8752

    @shawnyoung8752

    Жыл бұрын

    Crazy. FSU missed how many FGs right to let them off the hook.

  • @monroemitchell8175
    @monroemitchell81753 жыл бұрын

    Barry Alvarez would go on to be Wisconsin head coach and athletic director. He was ND defensive coordinator in 1988.

  • @danielmoynihan100

    @danielmoynihan100

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was 49.5 years old when I learned this. Much respect!

  • @thfzn3130

    @thfzn3130

    Жыл бұрын

    He should of got the job after Holtz left.

  • @rodroller6634
    @rodroller66343 жыл бұрын

    God I miss those days. I had a friend whose father had pull in South Bend. His dad would get us tickets to ND games. Being an IU ‘paid in full’ Alumni I had access to b-ball tics. I had no clue how lucky I was in the late 80s to see both teams in their prime. Living in Indiana back then it was assumed that IU would be a Final Four BBall contender and ND would be in the hunt for a NCAA football championship.

  • @dwcushman1
    @dwcushman110 ай бұрын

    The way Rice scored that first touchdown without a hand on him (on the staunch defense of Miami) sent a clear message the Irish were on a mission. This was one of the greatest college football games of all time.

  • @sinker0
    @sinker04 жыл бұрын

    Blessing himself before the kickoff was intense

  • @bigdawg7262
    @bigdawg7262 Жыл бұрын

    I'm a UGA fan, but man I pulled hard for ND this game and was so proud of the intensity and mental toughness the Irish showed.

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    You weren't a uga fan in 88 because they were down. You are one today. Did you finish h.s.?

  • @STMARTIN009

    @STMARTIN009

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@nicksmart7094 when did he say he wasn't a UGA fan in 1988? Do you know how to read?

  • @kbrewski1
    @kbrewski1 Жыл бұрын

    I was at the game. THE most intense nonstop excitement and passion I've ever experienced at a sporting event, and I've gone to a LOT of big time Notre Dame games since 1978! (as well as iconic World Series games, NFL games, and epic college bball reg season and numerous NCAA Tourney games). And to the Miami Conv...er Hurricane fans: 1. Yes, Cleveland Gary lost control of the football before he was down, so it was a FUMBLE. 2. MIAMI was GIFTED their last TD. That WR NEVER CAUGHT THE BALL. IT HIT THE GROUND AND IT WASN'T EVEN IN HIS POSS WHEN HE HIT THE GROUND. OBVIOUS WRONG "MAKEUP" CALL.

  • @bellazoe1

    @bellazoe1

    Жыл бұрын

    It was the biggest cfb game in 40 years at least.

  • @doeupiqojei

    @doeupiqojei

    11 ай бұрын

    Don’t forget the obvious strip sack on Walsh in the 1st quarter that was ruled incomplete and on Miamis first TD, the receiver was clearly down before he got in.

  • @kbrewski1

    @kbrewski1

    11 ай бұрын

    @doeupiqojei Yep, I remember the strip sack, but I'll have to go back and watch the 1st TD again. I just love rewatching the ESPN Catholics vs Convicts special on that epic game. Dan Lebatard is still pizzed to this day about that game.

  • @lynnerose7891
    @lynnerose78913 жыл бұрын

    Back when beating #1 in the regular season actually meant something.

  • @drstephenbond1585

    @drstephenbond1585

    2 жыл бұрын

    So true! Regular season games meant much more back then!

  • @creedyfbaby

    @creedyfbaby

    2 жыл бұрын

    Huh? There’s a playoff now? Regular season games actually might mean more in this modern era so I’m not quite sure where this is going.

  • @jemeeladams1197

    @jemeeladams1197

    Жыл бұрын

    @@creedyfbaby it was just incredible in that day all the powerhouses played each other 80s-90s great time for college football

  • @IAmAHeater

    @IAmAHeater

    Жыл бұрын

    @@creedyfbaby The playoffs system has ruined it in a way because the top tier teams know they can lose 1, maybe 2 games and still have a shot to get in because the pollsters are bias

  • @STMARTIN009

    @STMARTIN009

    Жыл бұрын

    The playoff system in college football has always been a mess. You need a 16 team playoff to be legit.

  • @gabrielanthony2742
    @gabrielanthony27424 жыл бұрын

    I cant imagine what the outcome would have been today with replay. Catches not catches, fumbles ruled a forward pass, touchdowns when the dude was down at the 2 yard line. Crazy.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    Жыл бұрын

    Totally true. But as Jimmy Johnson would tell his players, don't let the refs ever decide the game. That is, win every game in dominating fashion, so that all those blown calls by the refs don't come back to haunt you. Miami let the refs decide this game.

  • @toddsands6000
    @toddsands60003 жыл бұрын

    I listened to this game on the radio for the entire 1st half. Unfortunately I was working that day. I was rooting for my precious 'Canes. Unfortunately work forced me to not listen to the remainder of the game. I couldn't wait to watch the ESPN highlights as I turned off my radio and refused to listen to any updates. I was giddy when UM scored a TD late in the game. And then when they showed the highlights of UM failing the 2 point conversion, I was crushed. I knew that the winner of that game would represent one half of the National Championship game. Although, it was a tough defeat for the UM nation, the game I'm certain was fantastic. And I gave major props to Notre Dame. I'm amazed from ND's storied history, ND fans and media consider this game their greatest victory. It's 2021 and I still have not watched this entire game to date. I'm going to start watching this game from it's beginning. It's amazing how significant this game was for college football.

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    I remember watching it on TV since I was a freshman at Penn State that year and I was rooting for Miami because I hated Notre Dame so much because they played us every year back then and their fans were so arrogant that year --- but overall it was a super-hyped game that actually lived up to the hype and it really put college football on the map and I think this game was the true national championship of 1988

  • @toddsands6000

    @toddsands6000

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fredwerza3478 As I mentioned, it was tough watching Notre Dame eventually win it all as a "U" fan. But other than the iconic game against the 'Canes at South Bend, Notre Dame's win over USC cemented Notre Dame's legacy too that year. I don't think fans remembered how hyped up the Notre Dame vs USC game was also. USC the week before beat a very highly ranked and previously undefeated UCLA team. I still have a photo in my man cave of that iconic Lou Holtz SI photo of him in the center of his team's huddle at the Colosseum in LA. The title of the SI photo said: "Go Get 'Em Men." Not a Notre Dame fan, but that photo looked so iconic to me. I had to frame it with my other 'Canes and other college football memorabilia I enjoy collecting as a sports fan.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    Жыл бұрын

    In a way, as a Canes fan, it doesn't bother me too much that Miami lost this game. Because it set the stage for the 27-10 victory against ND in the Orange Bowl (all-time OB attendance record at over 80,000), which many consider to be the greatest game in Miami program history, if not tied with the first national championship game against Nebraska.

  • @jayzee7538
    @jayzee75385 жыл бұрын

    CBS still has that same theme song today.

  • @docfrazier99

    @docfrazier99

    4 жыл бұрын

    Since Super Bowl 21, January 25, 1987

  • @bradlewis6514

    @bradlewis6514

    4 жыл бұрын

    The first major college matchup to use it was Miami Florida St 1987

  • @crgray1979

    @crgray1979

    3 жыл бұрын

    Still the best sports anthem

  • @crgray1979

    @crgray1979

    3 жыл бұрын

    Fox has used the same theme for the NFL since they got nfl in 94

  • @parkasat
    @parkasat3 жыл бұрын

    What a fucking atmosphere my goodness.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was crazy that day. But not as crazy as the rematch the following year in the Orange Bowl, at night. "Absolute pandemonium" would be an understatement.

  • @frankienewman9664
    @frankienewman966410 ай бұрын

    There are no games today that come close to the Miami/Notre Dame and Miami/FSU games back in the 80's.

  • @joedeangelis4528
    @joedeangelis452810 ай бұрын

    Was flying from NYC to Atlanta that afternoon. Pilot came over the intercom - "if anyone is interested, Notre Dame 31, Miami 30. Great Memory. BTW - same day (night) Gibson's HR off Eckersley game one, 88 WS.

  • @martymcfly3253
    @martymcfly325310 ай бұрын

    I grew up in Mishawaka right by South Bend. The goodyear blimp would fly right over our house on big game Saturdays. My parents had season tickets so I got to go to to a lot of games, but this was the best one by far,

  • @bigal1024
    @bigal10243 жыл бұрын

    God I miss these days

  • @steveguerriero7788
    @steveguerriero7788 Жыл бұрын

    I'm a huge ND fan growing up in Youngstown Ohio. I live on the west coast now for 30 years. I've been to rose bowls Fiesta bowls. National championship games playoffs. And when I lived in Ohio been to all the big games. Notre dame games Michigan games, been to Ohio st , Penn st. I was a 23 year old kid when this game was played, was the happiest I ever was as a ND fan. The greatest win in history. I'm still pissed I didn't get in my car and drive 7 hours to South Bend and go to this game probably would have to pay $600.00 in 1988 to get into this game it would have been well worth it.

  • @Lava1964
    @Lava19645 жыл бұрын

    Lou Holtz post-game interview: "This was won by the Notre Dame spirit...Shut up!!!" That always makes me laugh.

  • @priccostein2746

    @priccostein2746

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought he yelled “Salute!”

  • @tomsurber2293

    @tomsurber2293

    2 жыл бұрын

    Holtz was absolutely right. Real Domers know what the Notre Dame spirit is. It's in our bone marrow and we cherish it. It's the reason why a little itty-bitty Catholic school in Northeast Indiana became what it is spiritually, academically and in football. If you feel it, you can't explain it. If you don't, it can't be explained to you. Hate that all you want, but that's the way it is.

  • @tomsurber2293

    @tomsurber2293

    Жыл бұрын

    100 percent correct!

  • @Lava1964

    @Lava1964

    9 ай бұрын

    Well said. I live in Canada. I've never set foot on Notre Dame's campus. I've only been to Indiana once in my life, but I completely understand the "spirit of Notre Dame."@@tomsurber2293

  • @andrewthetextbook489

    @andrewthetextbook489

    8 ай бұрын

    3:02:10

  • @canyonoverlook9937
    @canyonoverlook99372 жыл бұрын

    The uniforms didn't have any company logo like Nike, New Era etc. Even Holtz's pullover and hat had no logo other than ND. It is too bad these companies had to ruin the gear with their logo. MLB caps are ruined by the New Ere logo. All hats have a company logo on them now. If I buy a team hat or shirt, I only want the team's name or logo on it.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    I completely agree. Those hideous company logos tarnished every uniform they appeared on.

  • @TheSBleeder
    @TheSBleeder4 жыл бұрын

    Bizarre to see WRs in a 3-point stance. I wonder what the reasoning was for that. By 1990 they were going from the modern 2-point stance.

  • @redriderbbgun8018
    @redriderbbgun8018 Жыл бұрын

    Best players on Notre Dame's 1988 defense: Frank Stams, Chris Zorich, Ned Bolcar, Mike Stonebreaker, Todd Lyght & Pat Terrell

  • @jdgoodwin3136
    @jdgoodwin313610 ай бұрын

    A reporter dug a little deeper on the "Catholics versus Convicts" game. It turns out that Miami had more Catholics on their squad than Notre Dame. Apparently, Notre Dame football recruited heavily from the Bible Belt, thus a high proportion of Baptists. Just as interesting, the Notre Dame squad logged more arrests that year than Miami.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    Only because Miami was better at concealing their nefarious activities.

  • @jdgoodwin3136

    @jdgoodwin3136

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MaximusWolfe Do you have evidence, or this how you feel?

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jdgoodwin3136 Was only joking man.

  • @kevintuohy6402

    @kevintuohy6402

    2 ай бұрын

    ND did not have more arrests

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kevintuohy6402 Yeah, I found that statement quite dubious. I guess this guy is hoping no one will actually do a check on that. I doubt very seriously that there were more arrests on the Notre Dame team.

  • @kingssuck06
    @kingssuck063 жыл бұрын

    Damn this is a nostalgia tornado

  • @templedown
    @templedown4 жыл бұрын

    one of all time great games in any sport. Miami was the best team in college football that year, but had a heap of turnovers in this game and could've tied it at 31. the following year Notre Dame was the best team in college football. they whupped Colorado in the Orange Bowl, but lost to the Hurricanes in the regular season, so Miami was voted national champs.

  • @optimus2g

    @optimus2g

    2 жыл бұрын

    Miami was the best team both years. Get real.

  • @bartleygorman3546

    @bartleygorman3546

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely not, 88 Notre Dame would of beat them anywhere or anytime. They beat the # 1,2,3 teams that year, Miami didn’t. This team had talent, speed defense etc, Miami couldn’t run on them at all

  • @ThankGodImBlack370

    @ThankGodImBlack370

    4 ай бұрын

    Miami won NC in 87 and 89 and only lost this game in 88 away by one point. I hated the Canes in the 80s but they were the team of that whole decade.

  • @wwilliaml619
    @wwilliaml6194 жыл бұрын

    I am and still am Canes to this day. I remember how sad I was they lost BUT loved going for 2. Love the decision no matter what the outcome was. 89 seemed so anti climatic after this game. I knew they were going to beat Notre Dame next year but for me this is the best game as far as dislike and intensity that I have ever seen...

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was a game for the ages --- the whole "Catholics vs. Convicts" thing was stupid but the game lived up to the hype!

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    Miami would have rejected your application.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nicksmart7094 On what basis would Miami have rejected his application?? Do tell us, Mr. Smart.

  • @JohnnyBallgame88
    @JohnnyBallgame884 жыл бұрын

    As a Georgia fan this was and still is the best non Georgia game I have ever seen. Glad the Catholics won

  • @bennyrobinson1935

    @bennyrobinson1935

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd say the greatest games were the 2013 iron bowl and 1997&2006 Rose Bowls

  • @nicksmart7094

    @nicksmart7094

    Жыл бұрын

    You a bandwagonner. Miami was your team in 88. What's the highest grade you completed?

  • @danielnowak6469
    @danielnowak64695 жыл бұрын

    I agree completely that Cleveland Gary did not fumble down at the Notre Dame goal line at the 2:38:17 mark. Bad call by the officials. With instant replay nowadays, that call would have been overturned and Miami would have had a first and goal at the ND goal line. However with at being said, the fact of the matter is that Miami did commit 7 turnovers in this game(4 fumbles/3 interceptions). I don't care who you are or who you play, you will most likely loose if you commit that many turnovers in a single game; especially on the road. The Hurricanes only have themselves to blame for this loss. Most of these turnovers occurred inside Notre Dame territory when the Hurricanes were driving the ball. If Miami doesn't turn the ball over in this game they most likely win in a blowout.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's right. When I was a college kid at Miami (watching this game live on TV), you fume and say, "we would have won if the refs didn't blow the call". And then the kid becomes old and wise, and you think what Jimmy Johnson used to say: "never ever let the referees decide a game." Meaning, score enough points that a blown call proves not to be decisive. You're right, 7 (or 6) turnovers is sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

  • @chrismatava8128

    @chrismatava8128

    4 жыл бұрын

    Only if your a hurricanes fan would u say it was a bad call

  • @tmarsh0307

    @tmarsh0307

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know this is unpopular, but for the very reason that you said, Miami committed seven turnovers, Miami should have played for the tie. When you are on the road, and you've played the worst game of the season, and still have a chance to get out of there still alive, then take the tie. Notre Dame and Miami would have rematched in the Fiesta, or Miami would have played West Virginia, and Miami would have won either of those matchups and been 1988 National Champions. The one-point loss eliminated Miami from the National Championship.

  • @rolltide9547

    @rolltide9547

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was not a fumble typical homer refs for ND.

  • @youtubepro9201

    @youtubepro9201

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chrismatava8128 I'm a Florida State fan since 1988. that was a bad call touchdown or he was down !

  • @Lava1964
    @Lava19648 ай бұрын

    The two most gripping sports events I've witnessed in my 60 years: Game #6 of the 1975 World Series and this absolute classic college football game.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    Game 7 of the 1984 NBA finals belongs in that conversation.

  • @rogerbrodniak5644
    @rogerbrodniak56444 жыл бұрын

    The best play in the entire game might be Anthony Johnson's recovery of the onside kick. Not an easy play to make. 2:59:20

  • @tommymaroon4189
    @tommymaroon418911 ай бұрын

    I was not alive for this game, but I once ran into someone at a Baldwin Wallace (the college I attend) volleyball tailgate who was an ND student that year. He remembered that every student was at the game and that he had no voice the next day from all the yelling. He called it one of the most memorable Irish games he ever attended, and he and his college friends still call Jimmy Johnson “Satan”

  • @michaelkinley3581
    @michaelkinley35813 жыл бұрын

    Those were the days of great rivalries and good hard nosed tough football. I miss those days.

  • @83GC
    @83GC Жыл бұрын

    As a devout Catholic & lifelong Notre Dame fan I was displeased with the Catholic vs Convicts even if it was catchy. It gave off a sense of superiority or judgemental. That said I HATED Miami & still love to watch this game!

  • @dccanes11
    @dccanes115 ай бұрын

    arguably one of the best football games of the second half of the 20th century. Go Canes.

  • @chrisbarger1086
    @chrisbarger108611 ай бұрын

    I’ve from Chicago (Nobody) watched football besides Notre Dame I’m still a fan I remember this game I believe Rice is still the best quarterback we’ve had he was a winner

  • @jonporter300
    @jonporter3005 жыл бұрын

    I remember watching this game. The replays were clear that Gary stretched across the goal line with the ball and touched the ground. The ground cannot cause a fumble. Whether his knee was down before the ball broke the plane is hard to tell, but even if it was he had enough yards for the 1st down. Major error on the part of the officials. Great game though. The championship should have been a rematch between Miami and Notre Dame. West Virginia may have been 12-0, but they were no where near the level of Miami and Notre Dame. Kinda like BYU going 12-0... sorry weak opponents. Miami played 6 top 15 teams that year.

  • @antrellhopkins3263

    @antrellhopkins3263

    5 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff huge cane fan here

  • @danielnowak6469

    @danielnowak6469

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree completely that Cleveland Gary did not fumble down at the Notre Dame goal line at the 2:38:17 mark. Bad call by the officials. With instant replay nowadays, that call would have been overturned and Miami would have had a first and goal at the ND goal line. However with at being said, the fact of the matter is that Miami did commit 7 turnovers in this game(4 fumbles/3 interceptions). I don't care who you are or who you play, you will most likely loose if you commit that many turnovers in a single game; especially on the road. The Hurricanes only have themselves to blame for this loss. Most of these turnovers occurred inside Notre Dame territory when the Hurricanes were driving the ball. If Miami doesn't turn the ball over in this game they most likely win in a blowout.

  • @rogerbrodniak5644

    @rogerbrodniak5644

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@danielnowak64692:00:11 Maybe just as bad a call...if you're the better team you shouldn't put the game in the hands of a fake punt right there...

  • @bradlewis6514

    @bradlewis6514

    4 жыл бұрын

    The only reason BYU won the national championship in '84 was the fact they were 12-0, ranked #1 and then won their bowl game over a 7-4 Michigan team the day after Christmas! They were de facto #1 before the New Year's Bowl Games! Cougars only had two quality wins (Pittsburgh and Air Force) all year before they beat Michigan, but none of that mattered! I remember them winning it vividly (was in seventh grade at the time)! Regardless of the fact most still hate that they won it all - it was the era of the polls and they were in no way gonna drop after winning the Holiday Bowl! Michigan was not their usual, but they're brand is why BYU didn't fall despite a close call (24-17)

  • @rogerbrodniak5644

    @rogerbrodniak5644

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bradlewis6514 Are you sure you're posting this comment to the proper video?

  • @jersey2983
    @jersey29832 жыл бұрын

    What a shame this rivalry ended.Notre Dame should play Michigan and Miami every year.

  • @MikeJones-cs8gi

    @MikeJones-cs8gi

    Жыл бұрын

    And USC

  • @jersey2983

    @jersey2983

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MikeJones-cs8gi yes sir!! They is one I forgot about

  • @danavharris
    @danavharris8 күн бұрын

    Greatest regular season college football game in history. GO CANES !!!

  • @JoeMama-mp9jb
    @JoeMama-mp9jb2 жыл бұрын

    If Miami went for the tie instead of the outright win they would have remained #1 and go on to win the National championship. As an Irish fan I’m glad they didn’t but I never could figure that one out

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm still perplexed about it as well but college football didnt have overtime until 1996 so I think a lot of coaches hated ties back then and usually went for 2 points to avoid the tie, even if it meant losing the game --- I kinda miss that balls out attitude and I wish we saw it more often

  • @cgh7337

    @cgh7337

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jimmy Johnson still pissed about the Cleveland Gary fumble. Funny how he never mentions that UM's last TD should not have counted as the ball bounced off the ground & should've been an incomplete pass.

  • @johnl5350

    @johnl5350

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom Osbourne gifted Mimi their first title doing the same thing. Huge mistake

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    Жыл бұрын

    @@johnl5350 Osborn didn't gift anything. It would have been a puszy move if Osborn won the title by kicking an extra-point to tie the game.

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cgh7337 That has always baffled me. He just didn't catch the pass. He didn't. The ball deflected so far away that the ref just didn't see it, I guess. But that was no TD.

  • @ScumBagInFL
    @ScumBagInFL2 жыл бұрын

    Sad what would happen to Jeff Alm in 5 years

  • @ellenguadagnino6522

    @ellenguadagnino6522

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very sad 😔. And heartbreaking…

  • @cgh7337

    @cgh7337

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. RIP.

  • @ScumBagInFL

    @ScumBagInFL

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yea while I was a always a diehard Hurricane fan . I remember always liking alm for his play and being completely floored hearing that news in 93. Rip to Alm and his friend who passed away .

  • @drstephenbond4685
    @drstephenbond46853 жыл бұрын

    One of the best college football games ever! I did not like the "Catholics vs Convicts" term, but it was a physical and well played game!

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a UM alum, attended during the height of the Program in the late 1980s. Every opposing team in the late 80s and early 90s was referring to the U and its players as "convicts." It made my blood boil. Quite a racist reference, too.

  • @drstephenbond4685

    @drstephenbond4685

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zoso73 Exactly! Thats why I hated the term. They dont talk about those guys who graduated and did well. When i played football in highschool we were stereotyped and we had good grades!

  • @ericgamino478

    @ericgamino478

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe if those Miami players didn't act like a bunch of a--*****, people wouldn't have called them that. Had nothing to do with race. Had everything to do with class. Or lack thereof.

  • @jrutt2675

    @jrutt2675

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zoso73 How is it racist. Miami's white kids were thuggish as well! Notre Dames Black kids were hard working and disciplined. The 87 Fiesta Bowl was a perfect example. Miami took Penn state for granted and payed for it! Even Ricky Watters stayed out of trouble at Notre Dame!

  • @debbiehenson1096

    @debbiehenson1096

    Жыл бұрын

    Perfect description of the Miami thugs.

  • @bnegs521
    @bnegs5212 жыл бұрын

    Jimmy should have gone for 1 On the road.

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    Still befuddles me why he didnt --- if he did, the Canes would've stayed #1 and likely became national champs

  • @bnegs521

    @bnegs521

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fredwerza3478 At the very least they would have been co national champs. Also Fred there could have been a rematch for all the marbles at the Fiesta Bowl. They would have been 1-2 in the polls. 🤔

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bnegs521 well one thing that was probably running through Jimmy's head was that UCLA and USC were ranked #2 and #3 mid-season --- so he prolly thought if both those schools finished undefeated they would play for the national title, since Miami would have the tie and likely ranked #3

  • @bnegs521

    @bnegs521

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fredwerza3478 nah usc played notre dame that year and notre dame won easy. And ucla and usc were gonna play each other too. The shine was off ucla they weren't running the table and like I said usc played nd that year at usc usc was getting eliminated anyway.

  • @nathaniellathy6559
    @nathaniellathy65592 жыл бұрын

    1 of 2 losses still haunting Miami fans to this day

  • @primarylenders1663

    @primarylenders1663

    2 жыл бұрын

    The other being the Fiesta bowl fiasco.

  • @nathaniellathy6559

    @nathaniellathy6559

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@primarylenders1663 sad thing about Fiesta Bowl loss is Miami football declined after that and hasn't done much since.

  • @zoso73

    @zoso73

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nathaniellathy6559 He meant the 1986 Fiesta Bowl fiasco. I believe you meant the 2002 Fiesta Bowl fiasco. The two worst losses in UM program history, IMO, are the 1986 Fiesta Bowl fiasco (UM lost to a clearly inferior team in Penn State) and the regular season loss to Washington in the Orange Bowl that snapped The Streak (the 58-game home-game winning streak in the OB).

  • @ThankGodImBlack370

    @ThankGodImBlack370

    4 ай бұрын

    I'm a Michigan fan so it doesn't matter, but it's always hilarious when a person thinks they know the mindset of a whole fan base. All the Miami fans I know are proud of the teams they had.

  • @ThankGodImBlack370

    @ThankGodImBlack370

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@nathaniellathy6559That's because all the teams in Florida snitch on them so Miami talent doesn't always go to Miami. Miami STAYS in sanctions so other Fla.teams can pick from the Miami talent pool.

  • @fjm1235
    @fjm123510 ай бұрын

    I was at this game. The Canes ruled college football in the 80's through the mid 90's.

  • @Therealgordongekko
    @Therealgordongekko7 ай бұрын

    3 players from Miami (Bubba McDowell, Darryl Spencer, Hurlie Brown) and 1 player from Notre Dame (Derek Brown) all went to the same high school. Merritt Island High school… Home of the Mustangs! In 1986 they were the best team in the country. 11 players got D1 scholarships… Unbelievable

  • @BlorbusUnimax
    @BlorbusUnimax2 күн бұрын

    commercials make you miss the 80s

  • @igorslocks
    @igorslocks2 жыл бұрын

    Lot of Chicago kids playing in this epic game. Miami always came up to Chicago in 80s to get kids, particularly linemen.

  • @dfertefwergwergrfgwr

    @dfertefwergwergrfgwr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Too bad they didn't get students.

  • @igorslocks

    @igorslocks

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dfertefwergwergrfgwr suntan or study? Maybe I'll go to class tomorrow, lol😁

  • @MrDuds1984
    @MrDuds19842 ай бұрын

    A few hours later Kirk Gibson came off the bench and took Dennis Eckersley downtown and won Game 1 for the Dodgers

  • @pardonmedoug886
    @pardonmedoug8863 жыл бұрын

    If you didn't know the outcome of this game you can thank the uploader for including the score in his header. Hard to call it a spoiler but for some it is. Uploader did a good job with the Catholics vs Convicts title but should have left the score out. Thanks anyway for the upload.

  • @rogerbrodniak5644
    @rogerbrodniak56444 жыл бұрын

    2:00:11 Nobody talks about the fake punt call...basically telling Notre Dame that Miami had to gamble to stay in the game. Then Notre Dame hits Watters to the 4 yard line on the next play, Eilers scores the play after that. Crowd back in it, Notre Dame keeps the lead the rest of the game. Not a good call, folks.

  • @nathaniellathy6559

    @nathaniellathy6559

    2 жыл бұрын

    Miami had their chances.Just like the loss to Ohio State in 2003 Fiesta Bowl

  • @thefrase7884
    @thefrase78843 жыл бұрын

    I know WV was in undefeated but there should have been a rematch for the National championship.

  • @bradjames891

    @bradjames891

    2 жыл бұрын

    Major Harris!

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    In my eyes, this was the national championship game for 1988 --- WV had no business being in the mix

  • @BigDave50
    @BigDave502 жыл бұрын

    Miami got Rob in this game that fumble near the end zone was a touchdown

  • @johnbattaglia8045

    @johnbattaglia8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    If so, refs sure made up for it by calling that 4th down pass in the end zone to Andre Brown a touchdown. No way in the world was that a complete pass, especially to a WR with a reputation for dropping the ball. They gifted him his first TD too. Clearly out of bounds and laying on his belly as he reaches the ball at the 2 yard line. Refs should’ve stayed home that day. Just putrid.

  • @redriderbbgun8018

    @redriderbbgun8018

    Жыл бұрын

    Refs screwed the Irish in the first quarter too! Stams caused Walsh to fumble (for the second time) deep in Miami territory, but the idiot ref called it a forward pass...just a horrendous call.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    @@johnbattaglia8045 Yeah, that first td was not even close. No idea what the zebra was seeing there. Terrible call that the announcers didn’t even examine for some odd reason.

  • @camoanddonuts7894
    @camoanddonuts7894 Жыл бұрын

    Swagger, 80s style

  • @brucedavis3816
    @brucedavis38163 жыл бұрын

    I didn't know Miami was a catholic school!!!!!!

  • @chadw6837
    @chadw68375 ай бұрын

    First " Fumble" by Walsh was a forward pass called a fumble. The 2nd was called an incomplete pass but was a fumble lol

  • @jrg2010

    @jrg2010

    8 күн бұрын

    Where in the game did those plays occur? I’ve heard that one of them occurred on a Miami scoring drive but can’t seem to find it; very curious to see the play and if replay would have overturned the call on the field. They left that one out of the 30 for 30😅

  • @josephbarrett3860
    @josephbarrett386018 күн бұрын

    A real back & forth battle. Between 2 talented teams. Miami was sloppy at times during this game.

  • @rolltide9547
    @rolltide95473 жыл бұрын

    Refs gave this game to Notre Dame.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    Not true at all. In fact the refs gifted that first Miami touchdown as the guy was 2 yards short of the goal line at a minimum. Stop making excuses.

  • @posysdogovych2065
    @posysdogovych20653 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad games go into overtime these days. Back then the team trailing by a point was left with two bad options: kick the extra point and look like a coward, or feel compelled to go for 2 with low odds of completing the conversation.

  • @crgray1979

    @crgray1979

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ask Tom Osborne about that after the 84 orange bowl

  • @johnl5350

    @johnl5350

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@crgray1979 I was about to say the same thing. As a Sooner id rather have seen them win the 83 OB than Schnellenberger. Hell, it might have saved us a godawful season and some near deaths from an idiot not giving his players water in the Oklahoma heat. The drunk shouldve been arrested for what he did to those guys.

  • @kkadera
    @kkadera2 жыл бұрын

    New century.. still not a fumble. New century and ND still hasn't gotten another ring.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    It was a fumble. The ball was coming out before he hit the ground.

  • @kkadera

    @kkadera

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MaximusWolfe 🤣 nein

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kkadera Nope

  • @bigal1024
    @bigal10243 жыл бұрын

    Wow Lou holtz ... “ shut up””.... bang !!! Quiet

  • @billjones3497
    @billjones34974 жыл бұрын

    Did cheerleaders not have breasts in the 80s???

  • @veritas1007
    @veritas10074 жыл бұрын

    4 teams I cannot stand : Notre Dame "fighting Holtz'$, Jimmy J'$ Miami hurricanes, Penn State Nittany chumps and not the least USC Trojans.

  • @r3taliate359
    @r3taliate3593 жыл бұрын

    Kickoff at 15:48

  • @abfnjewbgalr
    @abfnjewbgalr3 жыл бұрын

    lol bill cosby commercials

  • @fload46d
    @fload46d Жыл бұрын

    ND football. Pound, pound, pound and then throw it. Also excellent defense that surprised Miami. But Rice was the big weapon. Then there is the genius of Coach Lou.

  • @josephsmith7022
    @josephsmith7022Ай бұрын

    The after effects of this game changed the whole football landscape Lou holzt would win his only championship,jimmy Johnson go on and build the greatest cowboys dynasty and Miami would go on and have its best four year run 89-92 in in school history winning two national championships we would get introduced to a guy named Randle the trill hill the next year the the u swagger would hit it’s all time high

  • @marcosjuarez7809
    @marcosjuarez780910 ай бұрын

    Back when the UM Hurricanes were kicking and screaming with all those Bowl games that they played and they have that “It’s All About the U” meaning. That so-called “Catholics vs. Convicts” game against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish was ugly as it was.

  • @NewGuyTcan
    @NewGuyTcan24 күн бұрын

    always will be remembered for the one bad call (among several) that handed a cheap victory to Notre Dame. ND had no business stepping on the field with a team as talented as Miami at the time.

  • @chrisbridges655
    @chrisbridges655Ай бұрын

    Lou Holtz tipping the scales at 89 pounds.

  • @clairethebearplays4463
    @clairethebearplays44633 жыл бұрын

    48:50 mans having a great view ;)

  • @Therealgordongekko
    @Therealgordongekko7 ай бұрын

    I swear Lou Holtz should've thrown to Derek Brown 15 times a game! So underutilized !

  • @michaelblair5566
    @michaelblair5566 Жыл бұрын

    I was going to a Catholic school at this time. Of course I was a Notre Dame fan!

  • @Tony-rz4ks
    @Tony-rz4ks10 ай бұрын

    i still remember this game....almost having a heart attack at 14 year olds lol

  • @user-ds9jc8sm1b
    @user-ds9jc8sm1b7 ай бұрын

    The U could never admit it: when they lost to PSU they "beat themselves", and when they lost to ND they "were victims to a bad call"

  • @ThankGodImBlack370
    @ThankGodImBlack3704 ай бұрын

    Catholics vs Convicts made me think this was a Catholic intersquad game.

  • @willgazlay5711
    @willgazlay57114 жыл бұрын

    Game was nearly 32 years ago and Lou Holtz still sounded like a 90 year old stroke victim.

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's from eastern Ohio which is like Appalachia which is hillbilly country

  • @The4thWayExperience

    @The4thWayExperience

    2 жыл бұрын

    thats how he sounds though since the day he was able to speak

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    Trivia: Holtz played Granny Clampett in "The Beverly Hillbillies."

  • @horrorbuff7803
    @horrorbuff780311 ай бұрын

    Man the refs were terrible in this game. A lot of bad calls that would have been over turned today. Especially at the end with Miami. The dude crossed the plain before the ball came out.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    So what? The refs gifted Miami a td early on. That receiver was 2 yards shy of the goal line.

  • @danlivni2097
    @danlivni20976 жыл бұрын

    OMG that was not a fumble by Cleveland Gary at 2:38:17 . Horrible call by the Refs. Replay at 2:38:54

  • @chrismatava8128

    @chrismatava8128

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually it was a fumble

  • @thefrase7884

    @thefrase7884

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chrismatava8128 .....actually Chris I never thought it was but looking at it closely I have to agree that it was

  • @mgilland2129

    @mgilland2129

    2 жыл бұрын

    What about Miami’s last touchdown? You know, the one that should have been ruled incomplete?

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    Looked like a fumble to me.

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mgilland2129 Not even close to being a catch. Total gift of a TD to Miami.

  • @wethepeople7718
    @wethepeople7718 Жыл бұрын

    instant replay would have altered this game on both sides......refs blew some calls

  • @gruntpadre5337
    @gruntpadre53375 жыл бұрын

    41:53 - That look on Lou's face.."Tony, what the hell...oh well, we got some good yards, next play.." And what do you know? Touchdown. #goirish

  • @ThankGodImBlack370
    @ThankGodImBlack3704 ай бұрын

    How in the World was Walsh considered better than Tony Rice??????????

  • @alexevanoski4588
    @alexevanoski45882 жыл бұрын

    This is what college football is all about

  • @dancahill1812
    @dancahill18129 ай бұрын

    I had tickets for that game.had to be in a wedding.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    Shoulda skipped the wedding-haha.

  • @user-rf5vn5ql9e
    @user-rf5vn5ql9e4 жыл бұрын

    that chevy car...SMH

  • @chadrobert4375
    @chadrobert43752 жыл бұрын

    Why on earth Norte Dame got rid of their grass is beyond me.

  • @cgh7337

    @cgh7337

    2 жыл бұрын

    B/c Brian Kelly wanted sportsturf (or whatever that shit is called)

  • @chadrobert4375

    @chadrobert4375

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cgh7337 really? Just cuz he wanted it? That’ doesn’t seem right. Brian Kelly says I want sports turf and that overrides years of tradition and Notre dames heritage. I’m a Penn State fan and I long for those old school games between ND & PSU. Penn State still has grass. And wasn’t Norte Dames grass kept a little higher than most grass fields so the opposing team would have to adjust to the grass length. Also what’s with the horrible green they use now? What happened to that dark more prestigious looking green they had in their jerseys. Under Armour is making a mockery of Notre Dame apparel.

  • @MaximusWolfe

    @MaximusWolfe

    2 ай бұрын

    Why anyone uses that garbage is hard to fathom.

  • @brian7333
    @brian73338 ай бұрын

    Cosby at 6:20 😂👌

  • @marioboyd4259
    @marioboyd4259 Жыл бұрын

    Cleveland Gary did not fumble! The ball was over the goal line,which makes it a touchdown. I've been saying it for 34 years,for Christmas sakes.*

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    And Andre Brown clearly did NOT catch the last Miami TD pass. Funny how people ignore that.

  • @marioboyd4259

    @marioboyd4259

    Жыл бұрын

    @dashx1103 Now that, I admit is questionable! But they gave it to him. I've got a sports illustrated pic that confirmed it👍🏿

  • @dashx1103

    @dashx1103

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marioboyd4259 Yeah. And Sports Illustrated also confirmed that ND WON!

  • @josephsmith7022
    @josephsmith70222 жыл бұрын

    Even tho I'm a miami fan college football needed somebody to take out the bad guy this is still the most important game in college football history..

  • @frankienewman9664
    @frankienewman96643 жыл бұрын

    Canes were robbed !! I’m still not over the refs robbing Cleveland Gary of a TD and a miami championship!! The 1986 team overlooked Penn St at had 8 turnovers and still only lost 14-10. Miami should have won 4 straight championships.

  • @mgilland2129

    @mgilland2129

    2 жыл бұрын

    Did you forget that Miami’s last TD was clearly incomplete?

  • @stephaniegormley9982

    @stephaniegormley9982

    2 жыл бұрын

    I half agree. I don't think it was a TD or a Notre Dame recovery. It s/have been Miami's ball at the ND one yard line.

  • @shawnyoung8752

    @shawnyoung8752

    Жыл бұрын

    So miami turns the ball over 15 times in 2 games. You think that they should have won 2 more titles? Champion team dont play like that unless they are not ready mentally. Sooners always lost cause the wishbone pitches were off.

  • @andrewlesti55
    @andrewlesti553 жыл бұрын

    Awful decision by Walsh on that 2 pt conversion. Not an easy play but that fade was never going to work.

  • @fredwerza3478

    @fredwerza3478

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that was an awful throw --- a floater that was easy to knock down or pick

  • @jamesbowman8138
    @jamesbowman813810 ай бұрын

    Bill threw his son under bus.6:20

  • @kevintuohy6402
    @kevintuohy640211 ай бұрын

    There were twice as many irish catholics playing for Miami

  • @MrDuds1984

    @MrDuds1984

    2 ай бұрын

    And twice as many convicts

  • @SKF358
    @SKF3589 ай бұрын

    Notre Dame has not won a national championship since this. Put back the grass turf!!!! Bring back the gold spray painted helmets. Straighten up, fly right.

  • @MrDuds1984

    @MrDuds1984

    2 ай бұрын

    They should have won in 93 stupid polls

  • @debbiehenson1096
    @debbiehenson1096 Жыл бұрын

    Only game better than this is when BYU whipped the convicts in1990.

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