Take a mopar to catch a mopar

@therealojsimpson8024

3 жыл бұрын

Or a ZL1 🔪

@danmyers9372

3 жыл бұрын

Or a ZL1 to leave it in the dust.

@captainobvious5993

3 жыл бұрын

It should have raced at least a 426 hemi car

@taylorpinkney7253

3 жыл бұрын

I just saw a ZL 1 get dusted by a 340 Mopar

@therobert9521

3 жыл бұрын

I still don't believe a stock normally aspirated 426 would catch that thing. That ZL1 was stupid fast.

Takes some kinda man to go racing in a million dollar muscle car. Mad respect.

When i saw that aluminum block, my jaw dropped

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Me too 😎

Both cars make me pitch a tent. 🔪

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Dang OJ

I’m going ZL-1. Chevrolet, on the gas and kicking ass.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Good guess!

The Camaro looked like it was pulling the wheels off the ground... I'm really impressed at how quick the Challenger was, didnt expect mid 11s. I'd love to see these guys throw some slicks on just for fun.

@howabouthetruth2157

3 жыл бұрын

While racing slicks would make both cars even quicker, the ZL-1 would gain even more of an advantage.

How has no one acknowledged that awesome American Psycho reference???

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

One of the best movie scenes ever 👍

Fantastic races! The '69 ZL1 Camaro is the most impressive GM pony car of all time for me. It's an incredible machine! And it's incredibly expensive, of course;-) The Challenger's 11.68 ET is definitely great. And the 440 Six pack... I love that sound! Thanks so much for this video. Great job.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching 👍

Dude come on you forgot to make a “ 69” joke when referencing how many copo camaro’s were made. I’m disappointed In you

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

gotta save some for the future

@gzuzsavz

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras ...speaking of.. It's the future today! Hope ya'll are ok. We miss your voice overs.

There weren't many cars back in the day that could touch a COPO ZL1.....power to weight ratio was insane! Maybe a well tuned Hemi would have given it a run for it's money. Both of these cars are awesome classics! Thanks for posting.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@bman99ss

3 жыл бұрын

13's stock

@bradhardy2629

3 жыл бұрын

Hemi cars have dominated the drag strip for over 50 year's so . There's a reason why top fuel and funny cars run the same configuration.

@masterjerry5442

3 жыл бұрын

well tuned hemi's are next to impossible.

@howabouthetruth2157

3 жыл бұрын

@@bman99ss Yeah, but who in the hell would've spent that kind of money for a ZL1, and not tweak & tune it to run much faster. Answer: Hardly anyone.

All hail the mighty ZL1!

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

The zl take smokin on a regular basis from the hemis and wedge mopars.im a chevy guy.

Now THESE are two fantastic cars! Who did you think would win?

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

@@vintagesavoiur not a bad guess!

@therealojsimpson8024

3 жыл бұрын

🔪😘

@danmyers9372

3 жыл бұрын

ZL1 and it wouldn’t be close.

@tmseh

3 жыл бұрын

*AMERICA WINS!*

@tmseh

3 жыл бұрын

Ben Shapiro! I didn't expect that. Now I have to clean beer off my tablet!🤣🤣🤣🤣

I thought the Challenger had it with that holeshot but that big block Chevy turns 7k rpm💪 great match up.

@ervinthompson6598

3 жыл бұрын

A 440 will turn 7800 , but you run the risk of spun bearings because the rod caps will expand.

@barto6577

3 жыл бұрын

@@ervinthompson6598 Try again. A 440 can and will turn 9 Grand,,,However race points are needed in the distributor, and you will be replacing them every 500-1000 miles. Been there done that with a 1970 440 stuffed in a 67 Plymouth. Turned 10.8s at the old Hawaii Raceway Park in the early 80s.

@stephennutt2636

2 жыл бұрын

The taller gearing is actually a disadvantage for the 440.

The 440 6 Pack is my favorite Mopar engine (yes, I prefer it to the Hemi) but running against a ZL1 is tough. Good driving by both. Thanks for the great content, stay safe 👍

@VG-iq8xq

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the Challenger would’ve won if the ZL1 had a 4 speed? The couple videos I’ve seen they can’t get off the line at all with those tires

@ShariaLawAllDay

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you prefer it over the 426 Hemi? I actually prefer the Hemi over the six pack

@charlesdalton985

3 жыл бұрын

Omar Properly setup, the 440 will run with the 426, without being as temperamental. The 426 is a beast, but requires more work to keep it in peak tune. Both are great engines - no two ways about it.

@ShariaLawAllDay

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesdalton985 Thank you for that. Don't want to bug you with a whole bunch of questions, but why is the 426 more temperamental and requires more maintenance? Was there some kind of factory defect in it?

@charlesdalton985

3 жыл бұрын

Omar None at all. Mechanical lifters require more frequent maintenance. The 440 had hydraulic lifters. Because the hemi made its power higher in the RPM range, keeping the lifters in adjustment became even more important. By, I believe, 71 Chrylser put hydraulic lifters in the Hemi. Additionally, the 440 made its torque lower in the RPM range, far more useful on the street. This is all just my opinion, based on my life, my experiences. 👍

Two my favorite cars! 5 years ago, I would take Carmaro and now I want challenger r t.. if I had money, I would buy both cars

Take my thumbs up after that sweet Free Willy editing. lol. Keep the vids coming bud.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks. 👍

@livewire2759

3 жыл бұрын

"Oh, no... Willy crushed our boy!"

ZL1 spotted him pretty good, then left.

A blind folded man could have predicted the outcome of the race. Weight to horsepower ratio difference between these two is HUGE !! Taking the two cars differences into consideration they BOTH performed phenomenal !!

To me, those old camaros looked like smaller challengers, minus a couple headlights. I love both cars.

Both are awesome cars!! Really should have raced a HEMI Challenger but nonetheless...Those are very rare Camaro's factory 500 +hp cars..They did run mid 11's brand new with slicks of the day that were equal to modern radials...so yeah 10's are a sure possibility..440 6bbl were 450'ish the 4bbl had 410(not the under rated 375 lol). My Dad has a 70 'Cuda 440 6bbl,bought it new in July 1970,he ran 11.70-11.80's 2 weeks later.. He added slicks of the day that had no more traction than modern radials,and he had headers(Camaro 427 had headers)...The Cuda got quicker mopar or then direct connection purple cam,head work etc.and was 10.90 car for several years.. But new with headers/slicks/carbs tuned to perfection he ran 11.70's-11.80's with 3.54 Dana rear diff..quicker with 4.10's as he lost to his buddy with the same car with 4.10's..Yes my Dad still owns it,it is like new and he is in his mid 80's and still cruises in it,not like when I was a kid or 10 or so years ago but he still drives it..I grew up with my Dads buddies with Mopars,Ford,GM all models and all performance engines,they raced all the time!! Remember a low compression 400 4bbl 1974 Road Runner can run 13.90's and they did thats a total smog motor that was stock!All old roat tests of performance back then were bogus as different testing methods,tracks if used(usually were not) were not like todays..Tires even slicks you can spin as they had no more traction than a modern radial..It's funny,road tests then say the car hooked yet it went sideways with 2 black marks and smoke pouring out the tires lol..it didnt hook,hook then meant spinning 2 car lengths not 6 so year 2 car lengths with slicks was hooking!

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of people forgot what you can do with some simple tuning. MOPAR suspension back then was also very supportive for drag racing.

@jimmycline4778

3 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t have mattered, this Camaro is a lot lighter! Actuality over 500hp

@tdozzy991

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmycline4778 i dont think the 170 pound difference would have mattered. Lol

These times are almost as amazing as that pillow fight! Was thinking how cool it would be to see someone with deep pockets run a 1966 427 Shelby AC Cobra in PSDR!

While the 440-6 is awesome, it's not hemi awesome to compete with the ZL1

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That’s true. A good match would be against the blue Hemi Super Bee I’ve shown on the channel before, but even that was running around 11 - 11.1 that day. Really hot temps. I’d like to see them run on a cooler day.

@futon02

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras Amen

@wymple09

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen magazine shootouts where the 440 6 pack outran the hemi stock.

I was stunned to watch the bonus round of the 68 firebird 400. Noice. I can't figure out why it was that slow! I have a 68 350HO that was almost 14 flat when I took it out. Stock except better exhaust and an open 3.23 I love how quick the ZL car was and the Mopar was hell of a bang for the buck. Good looking too. All these cars were wonderful. Thanks for running this channel C and Z

New sub. Love your videos. I love drag racing and classic American muscle, and humor. Score!!

The Camaro is the champion every day.

I am surprised that there aren't more people in the grandstands. These would be fun to watch.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That was actually more than the usual!

@archiebunker6059

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt it would be fun to see and participate 👍

@thephantomzoneboxing

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras in donk drag racing they really show up the place is always overflowed lol checkout donkmaster on youtube some of his races

There is an abundance of fantastic references in this video.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

HA! Abundance and quality are two very different things! 👍

Both awsome cars of the era and excellent times for what are 50 year old cars.

I built an iron version of the ZL1 back in the 70's and put it in my '64 Malibu. It was the fastest car in town for years.

Nice matched fight !!! boils down to hooking up!

@danmyers9372

3 жыл бұрын

MOPAR actually appeared to be slightly ahead at 1/8th (torque) but then the ZL1’s HP advantage took over and it just walked away from the Challenger. The real HP for the ZL1 was closer to 550 and no other stock car could compete with that.

@therobert9521

3 жыл бұрын

That Camaro would eat that Challengers lunch all day.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

MOPAR suspension from that era always seems to hook rather well.

Assuming a race weight (driver and fuel) of ~3600 lbs for the ZL1 the calculators say it takes 552HP to run a 10.88 1/4 mile. Yeah, I would say it was underrated at 430 HP.

@tmseh

3 жыл бұрын

Waaaaay underrated. Your calculation is on the money from what I've read about the motor years ago.

@baldscarlettjohansson6433

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve read that it really made 525 - 550. I’m sure with modern tuning technology 552 is pretty easy to obtain with that engine and its aggressive cam.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

The digging I’ve done showed easily 525, but yeah, like more the 550 mark. Torque was more like 550 or slightly higher. Of course with modern dyno tuning you can do some unbelievable things. 👍

@danmyers9372

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras - And of course the rules would allow a 1.5 bump in CR to 13.5.

@danmyers9372

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras - I don’t see anything in your summary of the rules about fuel. Are the cars allowed to run race fuel? This would allow way more aggressive timing.

10.88 with exhaust manifolds and bias ply? That’s ludicrous speed!

@VG-iq8xq

3 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to add being a chevy guy I’ve always dreamed about the 69 ZL1. Or just any COPO car . But I also love muscle cars from all makes and this has to be one of the sweetest 70 Challengers ever! That plum crazy color with the steel rims and dog dish hub caps are awesome! Not to mention it’s crazy fast! Would love to see these cars run best of 3!

Videos like this makes this the bestus youtube channel in human history

Hemi Dart would have been a better race than the Challenger

@andrewp1998

3 жыл бұрын

70 hemi cuda or 68 rt coronet hemi

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

No it wouldnt.the dart would kill it.even a challenger in stock trim is quicker.

The drivers never get enough credit making these things hook and boogie on those half inch wide polyglass tires!

Damn!!!!! Those ZL1's were fast...... Hold it

1/29/2024: Good Day from The "Future". I've been enjoying your videos for years. Some of the cars that you show, are cars that I've owned. I'm an old MOPAR Guy, as far as ownership is concerned. Three 440 Magnums, a 383, a 340 and lastly a 318. I now drive a 2004 Z06 Corvette Commemorative that I bought new. These two cars are superb. What I'd give for that ZL1. As always, Keep up your great work & Best Regards. P.S. I like it when you post the temperature and humidity. It does matter.

L88 427, the holy grail!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏

@norristammislideshowmulgre877

3 жыл бұрын

Nice muscle car. But the 1964 or 1965 Plymouth Savoy with the 413 max wedge was quicker than all of them. It was the first factory production car to break 11sec in the quarter mile. It ran 10.97 sec in the quarter mile.

@jaredmayer3960

3 жыл бұрын

You sure you don’t mean ZL-1? Lol

Heck ya. Both superb 🥂

It's really nice to see these cars (especially the ZL1) outside of a garage or a car show, show what they do really do! I haven't seen a ZL1 race, since I was a kid! That Challenger was pretty darn guick also, just not enough to beat that ZL1!

That ZL1 is literally my dream car white inter blue exterior fucking awesome now I wanna see it go up against a 426 challenger

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t really see that ZL1 too often. Hopefully it’ll be out again this coming season

@norristammislideshowmulgre877

3 жыл бұрын

Like to see the Camaro go up against the 1971 cuda 426 Hemi 4 speed.

@andrewp1998

3 жыл бұрын

@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 70 hemi cuda

@stefanovichmichael9686

3 жыл бұрын

Factory hemi's could never run with a ZL-1.Even their 340 and 440 could match the Hemi.They were much over rated.Check the facts not the here say.

@andrewp1998

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanovichmichael9686 nope..I did. The 427 tied thats about it

Loving the new production value

That Camaro is stunning 10.88 on a 91 degree day through a set of cast iron manifolds to me that's beyond impressive !!!!

Anyone know who own that Challenger. Want to know how wide the 14" wheels are. Interested to run same tire dimension polyglas good year G70-14 on my challenger. Asume its 14x6" but ofcourse hard to say.

Both running in the 11's outstanding

The Copo Camaro's and L88 C3 Stingrays squat under acceleration more than any other cars I have ever seen! They really load the suspensions on those cars for weight transfer.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Very true and interesting to see! 👍

Nice video, love the Challenger!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Funny shit bud. Keep em coming.

That's the Quickest ZL1 I've seen on here..That Mopar ain't no joke either... Historically a Bow Tie Guy but for the money that Mopar's a win/win

It would cool to see those classic race against their new counterparts!🏁🏁

@danpals7678

3 жыл бұрын

Even a 340 Demon can beat a hellcat

Dude that guy’s leg sweep was fkin extreme

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Textbook technique

Holy S. That Free Willy scene made me laugh pretty hard!!!!

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

😎

I lol’d pretty hard at the Free Willy reference

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That car was just too heavy to make that jump

I noticed a brief cameo by George Krem's legendary Brown Wrapper Studebaker Lark just prior to that classic Dodge commercial.

Nice race

Both Excellent cars. If they had slicks and headers be even faster certainly in the 10 second range. With more tuning the old school ZL1 could beat a Hellcat.

That Marina Blue ZL1 is such a Beauty and would take it any day over that Challenger. #ChevyGuy #TeamChevy 🛠🏁

If the dodge weight was the same as the ZL1. It would be evenly matched.

@howabouthetruth2157

3 жыл бұрын

The weight difference was only a hundred & something lbs.

Geez that ZL-1 is FAST! The ZL-1 option was more than base car prices even with options in most cases.

Yep, before the race I was expecting that ZL1 to win. That's a powerful musclecar, and only guys that own oil wells in Texas and Oklahoma can buy them

Those ZL1s are ridiculous.

Slowpars, crapars, what is the difference?

Goodday C & Z, What a way to start the year with 2 HD Heavy Hitters, what a great race. It was a given the ZL1 was going to win but by how much, & it was a lot closer than you would expect. That Challenger wasn't hanging around it looks like it got the jump on the Camaro. That was a hell of alot of money back in 1969 for the ZL1, yet Bob Jane which I have written about before managed to score 2 of them back to Australia. Just 2 minute walk from my house park in a show room, never seeing the road again. I believe that is a T/A hood on the R/T & I think you can actually order that hood factory fitted if you knew the right code, still extremely rare to still see. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

Love that Mopar. Looks wise it's the winner. But that copo is no joke with that 427 aluminum block.

3:08 2020 will be remembered for Ben's best quote ever : spit in my mouth. Look up the Ben Shapiro wap remix 😝

@imstandingrightbehindyou9185

3 жыл бұрын

I think he knew that would happen. Great exposure for him and his WAP

@MrTheHillfolk

3 жыл бұрын

@@imstandingrightbehindyou9185 He's got one of the biggest 🤣🤣

The COPO ZL1 Launch....Beautiful!

I think this is way more exciting than watching modern cars drag race. Even though I was born 33 years after the Challenger was made it makes me feel like I am in the 70s watching these go down the strip when they were brand new

@1spunkymonkey2

3 жыл бұрын

@port nut Exactly. Driver aids like launch control, dual clutch transmissions and traction control require no driver skill. The aids do all of the difficult stuff for the driver while the driver just sits there and pushes the gas. New muscle cars are badass but there is no comparison to these old beasts, they have none of the electronic BS modern cars have and actually take talent to master

I love these videos. Was this a pure stock race or F.A.S.T. race?

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Part of FAST, but their factory stock class. Nearly identical to Pure Stock.

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras not internally. The fast guys get a lot of extra play area .are the fast guys still acid dipping fuel lines and everything else to lighten?

@lunchsack6861

3 жыл бұрын

@@metalmauler you didn’t pay attention to what he said. He said fast FACTORY STOCK. Their factory stock class doesn’t allow internal mods and adhere to near identical rules as pure stock. You are referring to the standard FAST class.

Man those rear ends were squatting like my dog does when he rubs his ass across the carpet

Both cars are awesome 11 second cars sick

Just a point of interest for the hard core collectors that noticed the T/A 340 6 Pack fiberglass hood on a R/T. it was actually a factory replacement for some R/Ts when they opted for the shaker as there was a bit of a supply issue during production. The ZL1 was a monster, had know doubt it would clean the Changers clock.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

The N94 hood was included with the T/A and optional on all 4bbl V8 challengers (except the SE) starting April 1970. I believe the shaker shortage was late ‘69/early 1970, so prior to the availability of the N94. So those cars received the regular R/T hood during the shortage. “The Black Ghost” is a good example of this, though, I don’t know anyone who actually called that car The Black Ghost until that documentary came out.

@512bb

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras I beg to differ, you are correct the N94 was the standard & only T/A 6 Pack hood, The twin snorkle hood was the standard hood on the R/T's with the shaker optional However the fiberglass T/A hood was not a officially offered option, you could order it through the parts department & install it yourself, although I never ran across anyone that did. I have owned quite a few Challengers including one ordered with the shaker but delivered with the T/A hood & only learned about this because I fell into it by happenstance & soon discovered not many people were aware of it.

@therealhonestabe7839

3 жыл бұрын

@@512bb dude you’re wrong. C&z is right. The N94 WAS A FACTORY OPTION. You can even find the documentation of several 1970 hemi cars that came from the factory with the N94, I believe there were 4. you can even find the April 1970 memo sent to Dodge dealerships letting them know about the release of that option. The fact that you thought the N94 was a replacement for the shaker during the shortage, a stupid myth that was proven wrong decades ago, makes you lose all credibility.

@512bb

3 жыл бұрын

@@therealhonestabe7839 I was working just from memory, as I sold my 440 6 Pack back in 91 . When I bought the car in the 80s I was questioned many times about the originality of the T/A hood which is when I first heard of the anomaly & put it out of my mind since. I was aware they did build a few Hemi Challangers with the N96 hoodbfrom the factory so I was just speaking of my 440, which I had never seen until this video & it jumped out right away. It was apparent that you know muscle cars so I did do some research & found that they officially added the N96 hood as a option in April so I stand corrected. Interestly my car was produced before April, not sure how that figures into it but as I am still very active in our hobby this was the only other R/T Challenger I've seen with the N96 hood. Even though I still own some muscle cars, the one car I regret to this day selling was theat Challenger & it was a Plumg crazy 4 spd to boot. I hadn't thought about for many years till seeing this particular car, thanks for setting the record straight & apologies to Cars & Zebras.

And yes I also heard about that protest in DC

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That Challenger just has too much torque.

@andrebriscoe9949

3 жыл бұрын

Yea me to

First off the Challenger isn't a Hemi secondly it was very competitive race, thirdly since the Camaro is a factory race car put it up again a factory Super Stock Hemi Cuda and watch it get destroyed.

@williamthot3978

3 жыл бұрын

You knew the Camaro would have the advantage at the top end but the impressive way the Challenger got off the line I thought the Challenger just might have it. I want the Hemi race.

@calvinarmitage9199

29 күн бұрын

Zl car was king in the day

HAHA! THAT girl was very thirsty 😁

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

😛

I need a classic in my life

Love the color

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Both are extremely clean! 👍

@therealojsimpson8024

3 жыл бұрын

I’m more of a fan of red 🩸

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

@@therealojsimpson8024 Dang OJ

I wonder how much they actually make on a Dyno, those 440+6 are around 495hp+ but that 12-1 compression chevy has me curious

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

550 575 i believe dont quote on that i might be over guessing.

@ernestsalazar8026

3 жыл бұрын

Ive seen original 426 hemi consistently pull 480hp on the dyno and a 69 427 dials in at 535hp on the dyno

@ernestsalazar8026

3 жыл бұрын

No clue about the 440 six pack tho havnt gotten to that yet

I have an all original 66 383 Charger and she is a beast. 850 cfm edelbrock carb and huge flow masters help, lol

Great F-150 reference

I can't breathe When I see these cars

This commentary was so good why would you get rid of it

Challenger never had a chance. Two of my 4 favorite cars of the 60's/70's era.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Both great. I don’t really care who wins, it’s just nice to actually see these cars on the road. Just imagine how much money is running down the drag strip when these two race 😳

@cherrylove3656

3 жыл бұрын

sure it did this was one race what do you know about cars Chrysler makes a better engine then Chevy who was behind the wheel makes a difference don't say I don't know anything I have had Chevy Ford and Chrysler Chrysler had more power better in my opinion as far as engine displacement

@anvilranch1888

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras Yep, that's a cubic metric shitload of money going down the track. Glad to see the ZL1 driver thrashing it like GM intended.

@anvilranch1888

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrylove3656 lol. OK.

The camaro is an absolute 👺monster .

440 6 pack makes close to 430hp. and at least 500lbs of torque but that copo is a beast.

Unless the Camaro ZL1 faces a Shelby Cobra 427SC in a drag race the ZL1 Camaro was the second fastest car from factory to even run on the strip!! These 2 are the king of the strip,Hemi's,Six packs,Ls6's just didn't have it for those 2 cars!!...ZL1's and Shebly Cobra SC kicked everything's a*s stock!! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

I would love to see a 1969 Corvette ZL-1 on here. Unfortunately they only made 2.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That’s true, but by the rules someone could bring a replica..... which I’m surprised I’ve never seen.

@livewire2759

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras I've always wanted to build one, but I don't have $300,000 hidden up my ass!

@jeremymcnicol9585

3 жыл бұрын

ZL1 Corvette is not legal for the class. Has to be a product car like L88

@livewire2759

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeremymcnicol9585 Yeah, I don't know how many had to be made to qualify, but I'm sure it's more than the one and only ZL1 that's officially documented.

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeremymcnicol9585 sure it is factory built more than 50 made.

Man look at that camaro distribute and transfer the weight to the back tires and squat! That guy knows how to set up his car

I do feel for the Mopar guys. this race is perfect illustration of what you're up against today. No big secret that these engines only appear "stock". They've been seriously stroked for bigger Cubic inches and while the heads look stock they've been "worked "too. Modern Cam shaft tech is clearly happening as well. For the 440 Mopar guy it's tough these days if you want to run a Carbureted engine resembling what was available back in the day vs your Ford and Chevy competition. The distant 3rd place seller that was Chrysler hasn't seen the same level of aftermarket improvement at a reasonable cost. As always it costs a whole lot more to be a Mopar guy. Can you build a Killer Hemi? Sure but the price will scare the crap out of all but the deepest of pockets. The 440? Not really even an option. It's limited flow heads on a Big Block could make respectable power when 500HP was consider BIG power because the torque available was killer down low due to what amount to small block flowing heads on a Big Block engine with 440 cubic inches of displacement. Today things are quite different than in decades past. Getting these quick times in the Video isn't even probing the limits. In less restrictive classes old school Big Block Chevy and Ford designes are now running stroked Combos with 500cu in plus and making 1,000HP NA with modern cam and head porting flow potential. This isn't gonna happen with Mopar's 440. The Hemi can do it but the $$$$$$ required in comparison to Chevy and Ford certainly tells you why the engine of choice these days is the Big Block Chevy.

These cars all look really nice and stock, which surely is much of the fun and novelty And I love that. But, any of these races wanting to be competitive surely has to chase the rules to the nth degree. And any musclecar running deep into 11's surely is. As a simple example, I assume this Challenger, running a fiberglass T/A hood, must be allowed this lighter hood, because......it was technically a factory option on a Challenger (surely no factory R/T's got a T/A hood..). So, this hood is one of the allowable nth degree things to try and keep up with the bigger dogs? Regardless, any of the truly competitive cars we see, are pure race cars. That said, it is simply amazing to me how fast a stock appearing car running full exhaust, through some original heads, cam and valvetrain, carbs, and manifolds can be (whether or not even if these parts were a super rare option). Putting up the factory specs is fun, but fairly misleading in this gig. At least for the fastest of these, it is misleading; it is more what can be done, than what was done. Or what these are capable of. So, there is a next level story to be told. I would find as time goes on with your videos it might be entertaining, or perhaps as a sequel or closing chapters, if you can get some or all of the next level story and tell it. Find out what lengths the owners have or haven't gone through (for example, I suspect the Firebird at the end of this video probably was truly close to factory stock, whereas this Challenger or ZL-1 are finding the limits). How do they get a notoriously hoppy Camaro to launch like that. How do you even get any of these cars to launch on those original sized tires. These prepped cars are cranking 500-600 horsepower out of them - how are they doing it? Maybe the owners won't tell their tricks, but that would be way fun to know. It is fun to pretend and wish we were seeing factory cars doing factory performance. But, what we're seeing is next level. You're telling the factory story - tell the next one. The best of the factory combined and tuned and tweaked to amazing capabilities within some past-factory bounds.

Hemi challenger may have a shot, gotta hook. The Challenger in your video has a T/A hood, only available with the 340 6 pack in 1970.

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

That’s not true. It’s not a T/A specific hood, it’s the N94 which was simply included with the T/A. Starting in April 1970 the N94 was also available on any 4bbl V8 Challenger, excluding the SE.

@mitternachtdereiter3936

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras l remember NHRA would buy it with any engine package in stock eliminator. Not a surprise that chrysler would make it an option. Good knowledge by you sir, keep up the good videos.

Cool

Anyone familiar with this Camaro? Enough to know the brand/type of muffler?

The funniest part is calling 10 and 11 second cars pure stock. Ten years ago this class was just touching 12’s🤣

@mesanders1113

3 жыл бұрын

The zl1 was known to make mid 11s 1/4 mile times back when it came out pretty much stock. Once the 70s and 80s came it killed the muscle car. The mid 90s started bringing it back.

@metalmauler

3 жыл бұрын

More driver experience and better dialing reading track conditions.camaro ran a 10.88 on stock bias ply tires through the mufflers.

How about a race between a ZL/1 Camaro and a 1968 Hemi Cuda?

Never bet against the bow tie

So which one was better? The 440 or 426?

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

just depends on what you were looking for. the hemi was slightly quicker, but more expensive. the 440 was also more street friendly.

@lb9gta307

3 жыл бұрын

440 Six Pack cars were quicker to 60. They'd win more stop light drags. The Hemi cars back half better giving them a quicker quarter mile.

Props to the guy driving the ZL-1! All the other ones that are left are trailer queens. Was it matching numbers?

I LOVE YOU CARS & ZEBRA$!!

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 👍

@policeofficer94

3 жыл бұрын

IM SO THRILLED!! Your channel is my Graceland!! Superb videos and research. Fantastic humor. I am nearing completion on a light mechanical restore of my 1968 Mustang GT 390 4-speed coupe. Highland green. Ivy gold interior. White C-stripe. 52,480 original miles. Been in storage since 1974! Only car my father ever bought brand new!! Now mine! 325 HP / 427 Lb-Ft!! Adding premium long tubes. Magnaflow exhaust. Cool fact, 68 had lowest production numbers for mustangs. Ford had 90 day strike in summer of 68. 0 production for 3 months!!

Surprised at how fast that Mopar is. 1/2 the cost as well. No wonder they were so popular.

Partial to my E bodies but that was an excellent pairing and congrats to the rat. I'd like to see that black 340 Demon line up to this COPO,bet it would be a close race. BTW,get your ass back across 8 mile😉

@CarsAndZebras

3 жыл бұрын

The blue Hemi Super Bee featured on the channel could get close to taking down the ZL1, but the conditions would have to be just right.

@WyoCutlass71

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! This race needs to happen! 340 dart vs COPO!

@richardsparrow2743

3 жыл бұрын

Get out the Hemi . A better comparison.