Correction: The specs shown are correct for the actual cars drag racing ('69 Chevelle, '69 GTX440), but the cars first pictured in the staging lanes are incorrect (a different L78 Chevelle and a '67 GTX Hemi were accidentally posted). Did anyone notice??? Thanks for hanging in there. You guys are awesome!

@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to correct you lol. I noticed.

@timmotel5804

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I owned a 69 440 four bbl TorqueFlite with 3.23 posi. Bought it when it was a year and a half old from the original owner.

That Chevelle chirped the tires going into 4th on the second run! What a beast! Those are two beautiful examples of real muscle cars.

@jackrabbit7389

Жыл бұрын

So my 302 fox body chirps 4th too spins all the way through 1st all the way through 2nd about 1/4 of the way through 3rd and chirps 4th with a basically stock engine and a 3.73 gear on a 275/55-16 sticky tire.

I lived this I had a 69 Chevell 396/375. Dark Green inside and out. 410 posi. I ran against a 440 GTX light yellow. We ran twice. I beat him both times by a car length in a marked quarter.

@garybaker5241

3 жыл бұрын

I always liked GM better then Dodges when it came to racing. I like Chevy better then Dodge over all although I had a couple of Dodges when I was young. I had a 71 340 4 speed swinger. It was very fast. And I had a roadrunner 440 6 pack. I sold the road runner to a dealer in Ardmore Oklahoma for $700. It was a 1972 and it had 18000 miles on it and was in perfect condition. And that was in 1974. No one wanted them then. We had a gas crisis cars were lined up miles at service stations. I bought it about four months before I sold it at the Dodge dealer in Oklahoma City used. I give $1200 cash for it off the lot. Can you believe that. I watched the same car sale on TV for over $160,000 a couple of years ago.

Love the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Racing series. I prefer it over any of the NHRA pro classes with their one car looks identical to every other car, no brand recognition whatsoever, completely homogenous lineups. THIS is excellent drag racing with iconic muscle cars that make drag racing fun to watch again...thanks!

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I found the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags a couple years ago... just wish I would have discovered it sooner!

@josephwirtz8352

Жыл бұрын

Same here!

This is my favorite type of racing all stock.

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

Pure stock is where it's at. Very cool to see near original cars race

@EGGINFOOLS

4 жыл бұрын

@port nut Yes it does!

@dukeman7595

4 жыл бұрын

For me it's the best kind of racing it brings forth the cars best attributes as the designers intended..

@donaldhollums3278

4 жыл бұрын

These films are fun to watch, even if a Fan's favorite car loses.

@jerrycraig6522

3 жыл бұрын

Pure stock, "appearing"!!!

Both actually great cars. Both being rated at 375 hp. But lot of difference between a 4:10 gear and a 3:54.

@CarsAndZebras

4 жыл бұрын

Very true

@Alal-wi8nv

4 жыл бұрын

Chevelle missed a gear on second run - GTX is beautiful

@louf7178

4 жыл бұрын

With such good consideration, in surprised weight was mentioned.

@venomhemi3914

4 жыл бұрын

whats better 410 or 354 for the 1/4 mile?

@venomhemi3914

4 жыл бұрын

@Crown Commando thanks for the reply, I run 11.9 na with 390s... if i go back to 305s when i put a supercharger on would that help or should i keep the 390s??? please and thanks for any info! i have a 5.7 hemi

Awsome video!..i ran a 65 chevelle back in the day with a 68 l78, other then the headers and stock HEI it ran mid 12s all day. The square port heads on the 96 is the secret to its performance.

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

Very cool, the 65s have a great look! Thanks for watching!

@nickajk1

4 жыл бұрын

@Eric Rickel kcir whatever happened I live here in Kansas City I'm 50 years old what's the story behind that

What a great channel. I work with a couple older guys in their 60s and they used to be into cars back in the 60s. I'll have to show em this channel at lunch , I'm sure they are gonna dig it and then here come the war stories from them and that's the best part.

Them 396s are a hell of an engine

That Chevelle is really cool being a 300 Deluxe...I love post cars!

@ronaldlewis6062

5 жыл бұрын

Bob Silver I think it is pretty rare that is the second one I’ve ever seen!!! Love them Chevelles !!!

I really enjoy seen your Videos, Of Muscle Cars Racing. I was Fifteen, Sixteen, and Seventeen Years Old when these cars were new in the Showroom Floor. Brings Back alot of Wonderful Memories!

Those 396 were Bad to the Bone!! Back then we all had muscle cars!! I had a 54 Merc 2 door post with a 390 4 Barrel and 3 speed standard in the floor! A real sleeper. From Texas 🤠🥳

Both of these are awesome rides. 68-69 is definitely my favorite Chevelle body style and the L78 396/375 was the top engine you could get in a Chevelle SS in 69 unless you went the COPO route and ordered the L72 427. But if I had to choose one I'm taking the 69 GTX because B-Body Mopars have always been my favorite muscle cars. My dad bought a Roadrunner brand new in 69 with the 383/727 auto and 3.55 rear axle. His brother(my uncle) was a Pontiac man and had a 66 GTO with the 389 4bbl and a 4 speed and he used to get so pissed off that he could never beat Dad's Roadrunner and he paid $800 more for his GTO in 1966 than my dad paid for his Roadrunner in 1969. The base model Roadrunner and Super Bee were the best bang for the buck muscle car you could buy during that era. You got alot of car for right around $3,000 depending on options. I think the base price of a Roadrunner was $2,800 and a Super Bee was about $100 more. I believe the only difference was the Super Bee had carpet and the Roadrunner came with rubber floors

@CarsAndZebras

4 жыл бұрын

The only car in 1969 that could have matched (or even slightly edged) the Road Runner value-wise was the Dart Swinger 340. Mopar was a pretty good value back then.

@tomglorius5091

4 жыл бұрын

Ya I had many old dodges and Plymouth s. In and around 1985 u could get em for 700 $$$lol miss em to expensive now 🎃

@drippinglass

3 жыл бұрын

The Super Bee also came with the Charger instrument cluster. So you got the round gauges with a 150 MPH speedo and an oil pressure gauge.

@ronlind1757

Жыл бұрын

Jeremy Thompson... actually, the top engine you could get in a 68' 69' Chevelle, not counting copo, was the L78 L89 aluminum head 396.

I love your channel. I would love to see another angle at the end of the track to see how close there were. Maybe a remote / stationary camera at the pre-focused spot where they cross

Both beautiful cars. Fantastic channel too.

The Chevelle had a nice plume of smoke when it missed 4th gear.

I love it, basically stock races!!!!!! Good to see what these cars can do..

Nice, reminds me of the good old days 70s and 80s. Cool stuff. 👍👍🏁

@dv7431

4 жыл бұрын

Let's be clear there was no cool stuff in the 80s

@TheMrmmkkpro

4 жыл бұрын

@@dv7431 Well Dave, you would be wrong about that. The fact is the mid 80s started seeing the return of performance, fox body mustangs, 3rd gen camaro and trans ams among others. The C4 corvette in ZR1 trim was in phase 1 of development and actually installed in C4 platforms. The fact is the 1990 ZR-1 broke the 24 hour world speed record at just under 175 mph. A showroom stock LT5 with the throttle limited to 70% of wot. The record still stands for an actual production car that was released to the public. Porsche tried to break it and failed, Ford tried to break it and failed among others. Finally it took a prototype V-12 VW to break the record and it was purpose built. Drag racing was alive and well all through the 80s, I was driving a 1968 firebird with a LS6 bored. 60 over with 13 to 1 compression a tunnel ram with two 850 holley carbs traveling through a muncie 4 speed. There were many more tracks than there are now because some developer decides to build a development beside the dragstrip and then whines about the noise. When your generation builds a production car that breaks the 24 hour world speed record let me know. Meanwhile I will be cruising in my 1990 ZR1 and enjoying the fact it proved itself and yes it is from the 80s.

A very good race!

Great runs for both of those cars! Both good driver's as well I'd take the Plymouth over the Chevy though👍

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

That's actually my favorite year for the Chevelle, and favorite year for the GTX. Pretty rare to see a real GTX that came in black from the factory.

yes get the year right by 69 Plymouth vas very different for 1967 as shown

The Chevelle missed 4th in the second race but still posted a faster trap speed. It was the quicker car no doubt. I was beating a 440 GTX at a stoplight race with my 67 327 Chevelle all the way up to 80 mph when I had to shut it down (mine had crappy drum brakes) but he was charging up fast on me and would have blown past. It was a fun run.

Not sure but I think the 4 speed might have been a problem for the gtx driver. Possibly a torqueflite better.to use the torque for that high gear??

Plymouth for me. Just rode in a 440 4 speed 69 GTX, my friend's car. Best time I ever had with my clothes on. My recent video)). He also has an original 331 Hemi and a '68 GTX 4 speed convertible

@CarsAndZebras

4 жыл бұрын

Lucky guy!

@CaptainFALKEN

4 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras He's had'em for quite awhile! Wish I could've grown up in that time.

@tomglorius5091

4 жыл бұрын

Wow nice 😀

Does anybody out there know if a L78 was available in a 67 Chevelle Malibu SS convertible ? I was only 12 when they came out.

I was there to man! my 69 had the 325 hp and 400 Trans mine was a train wreck when I rescued it no motor or Trans both grenaded I restored the car while in a school called B.O.C.E.S. Vocational training car came out looking,and sounding strong not factory rally red but blue metallic no vinyl top just chrome surround mag.500 wheels and a fm converter for the am radio those were the days!

Cool cars

subscribed!

Beautiful muscle ...

I'm surprised the Chevelle doesn't do a little better with 410 gears

@markr5132

4 жыл бұрын

The Chevelle driver must have missed a gear the 2nd race because his trap speed was down 3mph. Gear can only help so much when your tires are 5 inches wide!

@howabouthetruth2157

4 жыл бұрын

@@markr5132 Yes, he missed the shift from 3rd going into 4th gear.

From my observation of the drivers of the cars alone, the Plymouth already has a weight advantage.

We got both of those cars also with 440s

For those that mention the gearing difference, the Chevelle still ran more MPH. Gear wouldn't change that fact. Would have been closer, though. Dude in the Chevelle was shifting the hell out of it, though, chirping tires in every gear. Other than the last run where he missed one, lol. 2 sweet rides. Glad to see them on the track, where they belong, instead of on a trailer or in the garage. Cars are meant to be driven.

Ouch, the Chevelle missed a gear in the 2nd round, not good. Had a 396 in a 69 Camaro not sure if it was a 325,350 or 375 HP car, but it had a nasty cam headers and so on. Anyway, one night (and this was in the early 70's) my buddy and I were drinking beer and smoking some weed, and decided to get on the highway and raise a little hell. Stopped the car wanged the engine dumped the clutch (the car had a vertical gate shifter) banged 2nd banged 3 rd banged 4th and missed the gear, remember I was drunk and stoned, scattered rods all over the highway. A couple days latter pulled the engine, the cam came out in 3 pcs, a piston pin was sticking out of the block, both heads were junk. Lesson... don't over rev a 396, lol

I wonder how the L78 would perform with a larger 850 CFM or a 6 pack ?

same hp but the gear ratio is not the same. why not race a chevy 350 cu in against a plymouth 340 cu 1/4 mile run???

Missed shift on the 2nd race for the bowtie?? Love this class.

Thing about these older cars is the horsepower "ratings" weren't really accurate chevy said 375 but for all we know it coulda made 500 they were rated this way for 2 main reasons 1. Insurance. It was often hard for vehicles making for than 1 hp per cubic inch to get insured. 2. GM power to weight limits. The General Motor Company (Owner of Chevrolet) used to limit vehicles produced under their companies to 1hp per 10 pounds this is most obvious with the Pontiac GTO and the Trans Am the GTO was rated at 350hp for the 400 while the trans am was rated at 335hp despite them having the same engine this was because the pontiac GTO weighed 3500 pounds while the trans am weighed right around 3350 pounds.

That was too close to call. 2 great cars.

That Chevelle ran him down & passed him at the big end of the track during the first race. But he missed a shift going into 4th during the 2nd race, and was still right there with him.

Was that Woodarson's car at :24?

Shout out for high gear chirps.

I had a 72 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 400, single four, factory dual exhaust , turbo 400 trans and posi rear. . My boss borrowed my car one day,, raced a 68 GTX 440, 4 spd and beat him. I paid $400 for that car, drove it for 3 years and never put a dime in it except oil, gas, rear tires and a can of Gumout.

@scooterp7009

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a car that would be sweet to have in the garage today...(!)

@ONTHEEDGEFRED

4 жыл бұрын

I took a 73 Grand Prix 400 turbo 400 and walked off and left a new 79 Trans am with that dog 403 engine, wasnt even close. Loved them Grand Prixs.

@timhallas4275

4 жыл бұрын

@@scooterp7009 It was considered a mid-size in the 70s,, at almost 4,000 lbs, it would be a truck today. Yet it could run a 12 second 1/4 at 125mph. That motor was a beast.

@lewisshepard9239

2 жыл бұрын

@@timhallas4275 there’s no stock 72 Pontiac run a 12 second quarter.

I like the ramchargers

I’ll take the X.

@CarsAndZebras

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll take both!

@moparre

4 жыл бұрын

Id take the chevelle sell it buy a gtx lol

You can have a Hurst shifter in your Chevelle but they can"t always teach you how to work it. Even though I am a Chevy guy I think if the GTX would have had the 4:10 gear it would have eeked out the win.

Did the Chevelle miss a shift in run #2, near lane? Seems like there was a big puff and then. Thing, lost Mo and the GTX slipped by. Both nice cars, but an L78 walks 99/100.

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he missed the shift. I might even have some footage of an original L89 Chevelle, and those were just monsters. Here's a cool article from HotRod about the stock L78 and how they really made ~425 horsepower with stock exhaust manifolds: www.hotrod.com/articles/chevrolet-lied-stone-stock-1969-l78-396-big-block-makes-50-hp-more-than-factory-rating/

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

And ~450 with headers!

@reggietruehl4963

5 жыл бұрын

I believe he missed 3rd! I hate when that happens!

@barbarasteed3966

4 жыл бұрын

Was that a 69 gtx looked like 67 satlite

@caveredecorator5310

4 жыл бұрын

i would miss 3rd gear all the time with that engine because the torque would mess up the motor mount and the linkage wouldnt be in the right spot. you could get a new motor mount but it would bust the rubber right away. you mite notice the engine chained down to the frame out of frustration on some cars at the strip.

Dude! Show the others!

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

All in due time my friend

Pure stock? I’m hearing some pretty radical idles in this video.

If there is any Romneychells watching this let me know?

☘ Irish Honey Badger - 👍

Guess that depends on the definition of pure stock. No way that Chevy is stock the way it sounds.

I have never see a 69 chevelle with 68 wind wings!

That was probably a 67 GTX in the lanes not a 69

@moparre

4 жыл бұрын

Really na thats a 69 67 ain't even the same body style

Holy hell, chevelle guy coulda knocked a second off his time if he hired someone else to drive.

Real easy to see here.... The 440 hydraulic lifter mopar better get it done out of the hole and hold on for dear life on the top end or else that solid lifter rat will make you pay every time on the top end......been drag racing for a long time. Baby rat sacrifices low end for awesome top end charge as trap speed indicates. Bigger is not always better.

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

Those L78 are nasty once they get moving! I can't really think of many other cars that are better from a dig than a 440, though. Maybe the Buick 455

@hilleryclifford2367

5 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras Im gonna show my bias bro, no maybe about it, the stage1 455 is the perfect hot street motor, how do I know this you ask my bro? Well I live close to Flint, Michigan my dad worked there for 48 years and I got to hang out in the dyno cells with the badass buick engineers and dyno operators when I was a kid. I used to sit on the dyno operators lap and they would let me make pulls with a screaming 455 in the cell. They didnt just test their own stuff... At any given time you might see a 440 mopar in there, or say a 460 ford for example. Buick wanted to know how to make their product better than the rest. At the time most attention was being paid to the turbo V6 program. Whos afraid of the big bad hemi? Not a stage 1 guy. Buick engineers got it done with a BS cast iron intake and a single rochester 4V It wasnt till you went to stage2 that you got a hotter cam, an edelbrock intake, and an 850 holly carb, and hooker headers!!!! All could be installed by a hot rod buick dealership, or yourself wich voided your warranty and had buick part numbers. Don't get me started on stage3!!! Anyway my bro love the content, and all that I have told is straight up trueI was there!

@dinojay8410

4 жыл бұрын

The rear gearing and the slight power to weight ratio that favours the Chevelle is the difference between these two cars. The 440 needs better rear gearing ro take advantage of its deep breathing ... the Chevelle is a better package

@burningblue1254

4 жыл бұрын

I think the 440 here is geared just right given the tire limitations. He has the torque off the launch but doesn't overpower the tires and with the 3.54 he still has a good top end charge. The Chevelle had a problem shifting at the top end it seems.

@burningblue1254

4 жыл бұрын

@@hilleryclifford2367 Couldn't disagree with you more. A fast revving small block in a light car with a low gear is the way to go on the street. These big blocks in heavy cars need the 1/4 mile top end charge to win. In a stoplight to stoplight race i.e. 1/8 mile my 340 swinger sent many of these land barges home. My swinger weighed 3200 pounds and your Buick 3900 pounds. By the time your big incher comes to life, I am parked waiting for you.

I don't think that GTX is a '69... Looks more like a '68...

The GTX is probably the heavier of the 2 cars. But that 440 should win most of the time I would think (disconnect the A/C belt! 2 powerful muscle cars!!

@andrewp1998

5 жыл бұрын

yah, was it a 6 pack car?

That's a 67 gtx not 69 ... The Chevelle pulled hard on the big end

@moparre

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like somebody needs to go to mopar school thats a 69 67 ain't even that body style

@metalmopars

4 жыл бұрын

The 67 was in the beginning of the video, the 69 was the one racing.

So tame at narrating in your young days

I take a solid running 440 magnum over a 396 any day of the week, this is not what I expected..

@CarsAndZebras

5 жыл бұрын

You just have to remember the L78 396 was way underrated at only 375hp, it actually made closer to 425. Both quick cars though.

@f.mbarnabythelatest6068

4 жыл бұрын

4.10s vs 3.54s is my guess even though im a chevy guy i bet the gtx would do better

@dinojay8410

4 жыл бұрын

@@f.mbarnabythelatest6068 ... precisely. The GTX needs better rear gearing to match up with the deep breathing power curve of the 440. The Chevelle on the other hand is a well put together package that better complements the engine

I think there were 4 different cars. Close races though, wow good drivers outa the hole and with the clutch

Seventies you could buy a great used muscle car for $2,000 all day.

No power shifting . It would knock a 1/4 second off there E.T. If done at maxiumum RPM

Chevelle missed 4th gear on the 2nd run

That's no 69 GTX, because I owned one That's a 67 GTX!

@moparre

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂really

67 GTX Not a 69

If I had one of those classic high power cars I'd not race it. I did that when I was a kid. It ruined my beautiful cars. It just causes such ware and tear. what does anyone gain from the abuse? They only go so fast.

Boomer heaven.

There's no way that Chevelle was stock---a 13.7 ET is LS6 territory

@adamvanallen8062

4 жыл бұрын

justsomeguytoyou , that’s actually about right because of the 4.10 gears. This was actually closer than it should have been though because the GTX had the tall gears. Put 4.10’s in the GTX and the Chevelle would’ve been walked BAD!

@joefulton1164

4 жыл бұрын

justsomeguytoyou The 69 L78 has the exact same specs as the 65 vette 396 but it was rated at 425 hp

@justsumguy2u

4 жыл бұрын

@@joefulton1164 The LS6 was rated at 450, but in reality made closer to 500---it was usually good for 13.6-13.7. L78's were repeatedly tested back in the day, and they never ran in the 13's

@1967davethewave

4 жыл бұрын

@@justsumguy2u Better tires than was available back in the day plus these engines are meticulously blueprinted and are allowed an increase in compression which I'm sure most of these guys take advantage of. The LS6's that run in this class break well into the 12's. Like you said, not what they were running back in 1970.

@justsumguy2u

4 жыл бұрын

@@1967davethewave Oh, I didn't know about the allowed increase in compression, that can be a game changer

Typical , the 440 looses steam on the big end which the Hemi wont do . That's why 440s work so well on the street from stoplight to stoplight , their very quick ! But on the dragstrip they fall flat up top.

Chevys always get owned by ford and Chryslers.

@Welcometofacsistube

4 жыл бұрын

Todd bob always. Except for the Pherd part

@ShyaMiss

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, everytime... except of course for where we just watched the Chevy beat the 440 mopar...

@amc401nash6

4 жыл бұрын

Than I've done a lot of drugs over the past 50 years. Now you're telling me all those Chevy wins were illusionations and the scary part is, I was driving a Nova in some of them.

@GH-el9ch

4 жыл бұрын

The "other" guys were always jealous of Chevy and still are apparently..GM was the largest company in the world back then and everyone loved them for their classic beautiful lines and badass engines whether big block or small block.. and parts interchangeability...all I see is Dodge excuses...butt hurt bc their dodge lost. They lose on a regular basis,..

@amc401nash6

4 жыл бұрын

@@GH-el9ch Not to mention Chevy's over the counter high performance parts program, every trick part they made was available to the general public by doing so they kept the sportsman racers both stiaght line and circle track happy for many years. By the early 60's Chevy had built it's solid performance reputation with the Tri-five's, 348 and 409 W engines and of course the Corvette. Chrysler started playing catch up with it's cross-ram 426 wedge engine but really went off the rails at the first sight of the Gen2 BB Chevy resulting in their out of desperation reinterdiction of the Hemi an engine that had already been discontinued due to excessive production costs just a few years earlier. By bringing what was basically a machine-gun to a knife fight, Chrysler did build somewhat of a false performance image. False because the Hemi's production numbers were so limited it was almost non existent away from the racetrack. However, the SB 340 and BB wedge cars were produced in significant numbers and are responsible for Chrysler's true performance image.