My first car was a 1970 Charger 440 six pack. The sound of those 3 Holley’s was like taking viagra. It just kept on giving.

@plymouthdie-castreplicas

2 жыл бұрын

Amen🙏

@justpray365

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadhaire1711 390hp gross. Remember I bought this car in 1972. So this was a fast car for that time. The center carb was 500cfm, and the outer 2 carbs were 350cfm. So yes, it sounded like viagra when it all was tuned and came in right. My current Challenger would have run circles around it, but these cars didn’t exist then.

@rondpert5167

2 жыл бұрын

@@justpray365 Corvettes were 500 in the center and 350 for the outers, which equal 1200 cfm. Mopar used 350 in the center and 500's for the outers, which equal 1350 like he said in the video. Just a note: 2 barrel carbs are rated differently than 4 barrel. Divide 2v barrels by 1.414. 1350/1.414 = 955 cfm. 1200/1.414 = 849

@justpray365

2 жыл бұрын

@@rondpert5167 You are absolutely correct. I had a 50 year brain fart. The sound was glorious and I still remember that.

@jimmeyer7632

Жыл бұрын

OHHH 70 CHARGER RT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FAST BUT THE LOOKS WERE SECOND TO NONE

That 396cid is fast Chevy masterpiece

I'm a Ford guy, but I love all the GM/Mopar performance engines, even the small-blocks. Great race, like always, C&Z.

@ricktaylor3748

2 жыл бұрын

Never underestimate the 340 small block, they had MUCH more horsepower than advertised. They wear advertised @ 290 horsepower, but actually produced 350-360 hp.

@WildDiamond07

2 жыл бұрын

The 1969 Dart's 340 made 320-330 HP according to the NHRA. But my favorite Mopar 340 has to be the 6-BBL/Six Pack from the AARs and T/As. Those made 350-360 HP as well I believe.

holy hell, both of these cars are insane!! nobody really seems to understand how quick a 12 second quarter mile is these days, what with all the sub 10 second cars they're running, but I really think it's amazing that they're able to run that fast considering their age. props to the owners for having them running so well, I love seeing these races!

@VG-iq8xq

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? The Camaro test back in '69 was a whole 2 seconds slower? I'd really like to see what the owner did to it

@calebrose4607

2 жыл бұрын

@@VG-iq8xq I would be curious to hear what the owner did to it too(obviously sticking to the factory stock rules), because let's be honest, that's quick, even for modern standards

@billhoman694

2 жыл бұрын

And that's on narrow tires to boot! Put a set of drag radials on those cars. And they might dip into the high 11s! And that's naturally aspirated. Cars today that run better times are all forced induction.

@billhoman694

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadhaire1711 , this class is "fast " factory appearing stock tire. They run the biggest factory option cam. Do a substantial amount of cylinder head work , distributor curving, carb work and chassis tuning. They even hog out the cast iron exhaust manifolds. And for better traction wear down the tread on the bias tire. But, it goes to show how doing that extra work on factory components can really increase the engine output and how the car can launch on a polyglas bias tire.

@glennkamp4645

2 жыл бұрын

Especially at the weight of those cars as well

Incredible driving by both - those reaction times would make a Mongoose jealous! A BB Chevy, and a 440 Six Pack? NICE! Thank you as always.

THAT LITTLE BIG BLOCK WAS SCREAMING DOWN THAT STRIP...HIGH REV BIG BLOCKS BY CHEVROLET.👍👍👍👍

@josephmartinez8803

2 жыл бұрын

The 396 is the 327s big brother 👍🏁

@danielslocum7169

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephmartinez8803 the more cubes the better for making those big intake ports work.

That was close racing, you have to love a Superbee with a six pack too

That's a super insect A12!💪

One of the best matchups on this channel. I think I splooged at least twice per race. The sounds of those cars, you just can't beat it.

Man I love that A12 super bee, definitely one of my top mopar picks. That was some really close racing there to be honest, hats off to both drivers on that one.

WOW, the symphony of big blocks.... intoxicating 🤘

This was about the most even match I've seen in a while. Love both and thumb up for posting them.

Fantastic match up C&Z, I'm a diehard Mopar guy with a sweet spot for those A12 440 Sixpack/barrel Superbees and Roadrunners, but damn! do I always weaken in the knees when I hear a the sweet sound of a SS396 especially if its in a Camaro! Both of those cars are no slouch when it comes to speed! And the Red A12 Superbee brings back a lot of good memories for me, because my dad use to drive a '69 Dodge Coronet 500 (originally a 318, swapped for a 383) it wasn't the "fastest" but it was cirtainly quick! It also was very close to that shade of red. Again, thanks for the close race and post, I love seeing these classic cars doing what they were built to do... Go fast, and haul a$$!

Both cars won in the right lane, must of been a slight advantage.

@wydopnthrtl

Жыл бұрын

Naw.. watch the front end pop up at launch. Who ever cut the better tree won.

I figured that 396 would be way over matched against that 440 six pack, guess I was wrong... AGAIN! LOL. 😂😂😂

@chrishill1286

2 жыл бұрын

I actually thought with the gearing difference the Dodge would take it.

@steveferguson6809

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrishill1286 they both have the same gears Camaro not Camero

@gary9426

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the Camaro would take this just because of the lighter weight. If the Super Bee had a Hemi, I think he would have taken the best of 3, imho.

@bw3506

2 жыл бұрын

Wow that 396 propels that Camaro better than I have seen them do on the Chevelles but I bet the Camaro is lighter. Nice matchup though. Sweet cars for sure.

@hillybillysillysally5086

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveferguson6809 I’ve seen several comments over time on these videos of people calling them Cameros. Wonder if they really think that’s how it’s spelled or if their phone is auto correcting lol

Always enjoy seeing cars from my generation racing. Especially a Camaro beating a Dodge. I've owned 9 Camaros over the years. My most valuable one was a 67 Z-28. Wish I still had that one!

Goodday C & Z, What an absolute treat for Sunday morning whilst having my breakfast & washing it down with good old Greek coffee. That has to be the best racing so far this year. Went down to the wire, all 3 races were super close from 2 of the best muscle cars back in the day. Thank you for highlighting how back in 1965 the L78 in the Impala & Corvette were rated at 425 hp. I have at least 120 muscle car books & not one of them goes into detail the difference between the 425 hp L78 & the 1966 375 hp L78. If you can shine some light on it, or anyone it would be greatly appreciated. A quick reference to Ronnie Sox & what quarter mile he ran in a bone stock Plymouth Roadrunner 6BBL manual back in the day. It was a feature in a magazine & I believe he managed to get high 12's in it. Hope you are well. Freezing cold winter in Melbourne. Summer time in your neck of the woods. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

Love this channel. And my wife will watch it with me. Lol

great cars. great racing. thank you.

Assuming this was live on May 21st at 10am, that's a good crowd turnout.

Best matchup I've seen in a while, thanks.

😳 love both of them.

Absolutely great drag race between these two amazing machines. I'm sad I can only give you 1 thumbs up because this close race deserves more than just 1. Excellent video Cars and Zebras, keep up the great work!

@frankjohnson6342

Жыл бұрын

@@chadhaire1711 a lot of these muscle cars from that era suffered from t ET robbing facts . One was the stock exhaust didn’t flow enough air to satisfy a lawn tractor and two they suffered from a major lack of traction in first and second gear. A set of headers and 9” slicks will put both of the se car in NHRA stock class and would be solidly in the ten second 1/4 mile times.

I'm a total Mopar dude and the bee is my favorite car in life I used to own a 69 but hats off to the Camaro too brilliant classic Hot rods I love it

Both cars had HP motors ! Good match up !

One of your best match ups. Thanks for all the fun memories 😊

Wow if I had the chance I couldn't pick one. Both beautiful cars and very fast love them both. Great video. Good to hear some of your comments Iike them also.

Nice close matchup, I like them both. THANKS C&Z!!!

Great race. I really thought the SB was going to take it

I've been to about 6 of those PSMCDR at Mid-Michigan. In all of my 53yrs of life its been the most fun car event (as a spectator) I've ever been to. It's so much fun to go around and look at these museum quality cars then watch them run. Usually the air is cool, the track is ultra sticky and the cars look stock but... run a bit quicker than they would have back in the day. 😉

As far as the difference in horsepower ratings of that L78 if I remember right it was for insurance purposes. The motor was the same but when they factory tested it they rated the later year using a lower RPM limit.

Some serious racin' here, folks. That Camaro is super strong.

Another awesome race! Can't get much closer than this...I love both these cars. Two of the quickest from the muscle car era. Would like to see a 440+6 Cuda or Challenger run against this Camaro..I think it would be an interesting matchup. Thanks for another great video, C&Z!

@thegreenerthemeaner

2 жыл бұрын

That A12 could transfer some weight and actually better than a Cuda due to wheelbase. But it did give 300 lbs away to the Camaro. A Cuda weighed the same as the A12, 35xx, showing that the A12 were stripped down pretty good. They were bare bones and lots of induction on lots of cubic inches. They were faster than a Hemi Super Bee of the same year.

@gary9426

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreenerthemeaner Thanks for the info! The A12 was definitely a no-frills drag racers special. Were they quicker than the Hemi SB in '69 because of the added weight of the 426?

@thegreenerthemeaner

2 жыл бұрын

@@gary9426 Yes

All the babies out there that whine and moan about these cars being "modified". So what. Most of these modifications can be done on your driveway or in your garage and that's part of what made them so special in the first place. You have to be a wizard today with an arsenal of tech equipment to even attempt to work on the newer cars. The factory knew that it couldn't pump out more HP for many reasons so they let the public do what they wanted with off the shelf factory upgrades available at those dealers. Keep in mind these are naturally aspirated engines and in my opinion, are the best. So keep your turbo while you're at it. Long live the muscle car, the 1st generation of muscle car.

Great race!

Great video C&Z!! Gotta love the Muscle car era races

@sergeantmasson3669

Жыл бұрын

TCT9MM, Camaro is not a Muscle car. It's a pony car.

Note that all A12s had 4:10s.

Great video & race! Thanks for posting...

This is the best race between two amazing cars. Keep them coming!

Can't believe you didn't call-out that Hound`s tooth interior in the Camero...lol

Nice to see a good heads up race. Cars had the same rear gear which really makes it even. Both are beautiful cars. That Camaro runs good.

@danielslocum7169

2 жыл бұрын

except for the big weight difference.

Great match up!! Thx C & Z!!

Loved it ! Keep up the great races so old timers such as myself can re live the good old days. One thing ,not all 396 SS Camaros came with power front disc brakes, I special ordered my '68 RS/SS convertible and it came with drum brakes all around.

Awesome , Thanks C&Z

Wow! That is two really hot cars, well tuned and fast as hell! I love it! Thanks for posting!

Great cars, great racing!

Nice muscle car duel.

Chevy always kicks ass

There weren't many SS Cameros with the 396 that I saw around. Both cars were in exquisite condition. I wonder what a 1/2 mile would look like?

@clevlandblock

2 жыл бұрын

Oil, coolant, and chunks on the tarmac.

@mrkemblegilstrap

2 жыл бұрын

@@clevlandblock ahahahaha!

@gloriamaletta8667

2 жыл бұрын

Sure with 4.10 gears with no overdrive both would be turning 6500rpm+ at 120mph gearing for a half mile would need to be less aggressive 3.23-3.55 unless you'd like to hold the 4.10s at 120mph screaming 6500rpm+ for another 2 blocks

@mrkemblegilstrap

2 жыл бұрын

@@gloriamaletta8667 hah, exactly! in my day, 4.10s are highway gears. I had 4.30s in a challenger that I drove on a 300 mile round trip to race. in my bee, I raced a couple of times in street tires and 4.88s. man, I was sure lookin for the finish those days. did I lift early? no.

Great cars and great racing. Thank You

Some very good racing

Love the rear window decal....but, but, officer!🤣

2 beautiful cars being run HARD!! I love it!!

the only thing I wish is that the SS cars didn't have "Z28" stripes so often. Frankly, I've always liked the striping of both.

Great matchup

Great video. Great information. Good times!:)

Nice! Both cool and fast.

More proof 396's punch above their weight.

Love the 396 vids!!

The A12 Super Bee is my dream car. If I ever come across a lot of money. Its one of the 1st cars I would buy.

"There's no replacement for displacement".... Not always

Hell yeah he's doing the narrating haven't seen one of these videos in a minute

You always talk about weight & I know you know this. 100lbs equals a tenth of a second. So when you mention a 300 lbs that’s 3 blinks of an eye basically. I mean, I do little weight savings things too. But 100-200lbs really is a blink or two away…🤷🏻‍♂️. Keep up the great work & glad you’re back to being yourself…💪🏻😂💯🏁

What graduation between these two cars. I own a 69 Camaro but it doesn’t have anything close to that L 78 under the hood. I love all muscle cars especially the hot ones from the Mopar era. Mr. zebra keep them coming because these are absolutely fantastic racing and the way you put it out there.

pretty even cars, Lighter weight Camaro has slight advantage. Motors put out about the same horsepower. Advantage Mopar on torque though.

Today $28,154, can’t buy you a well equipped Toyota Corolla, or Honda Civic.. That same modernized Camaro with updated horsepower/performance is well over $50,000💰💰💰💰 The buying power for the middle class is gone😩🥺..Automotive greed along with real estate greed have sunk our buying power! Thanks for a great video and a dream😴

Very nice

Great video, of a great match up. Honest, and well informed descriptions of the competitors. The L78 396 was rated at 375 gross horsepower. Actual output was right at 425. The 440 Six Pack was rated at 390, and made about 400 gross horsepower. The A12 Mopar had the advantage in torque. The Camaro had the horsepower, and weight advantage. Both cars ran like they should, and ET right where U expected them. The MPH tell the story. The Camaro is simply making more power. Like I said, a great match up. Two talented drivers/ tuners.

@stefanovichmichael9686

2 жыл бұрын

Chevy power was hard to beat,and they were the best looking in anyone's book.

Shows just how much weight plays a part. 300lbs makes a big difference.

Groovy man

Yeah baby!!! Some of the pinnacle n muscle cars. This race back n 69/70 woulda drew 100-150 guys standing on knolls to watch. Heck, even 2 6cylinders with a 3 speed on column woulda been fun....getty up go.

Bellisimo camaro !

The 440 6 pack was a monster but this 396 was under rated and was a big block that was more eager to rev than bigger cubic inch chevy engines like 427 or 454

That 300 lb. weight deficit is tough to overcome.

The power to weight ratio on both is almost identical. Rear end gearing is the same. It came down to reaction time. The Camaro might have a slight aerodynamic advantage. If the Mopar could shed some weight it would have won.

I'm a Mopar guy, but that Camaro is very impressive.

Nice sleds. I like the Chrysler

Very even cars sound good to. Better than two Teslas.

Someone explain to me please how you have a better ET but lose the race?

@e-wing6200

2 жыл бұрын

@@19580822 Ahhhhhh that makes much more sense now. Thank ya👌

Camaro has the weight advantage but it just comes down to the driver's reaction time who ever gets the light first wins

I'd run both with my 2008 Durango 5.7. I bottom the speedometer at 3000rpm.. Too scared to go 5k.

So reaction times taken out of the equation the Camaro went 3 for 3

B E A U T I F U L

The driver of the super Bee weighs 12 lb?

Very close races! In the quarter mile I feel the 396 powered Camaro is slightly faster because of it's take off but the 440 powered Super Bee definetly catches up and if it was longer than a quarter mile I believe the 440 Super Bee would spank the Camaro.

@timsharpe3498

2 жыл бұрын

The Camaro had your MOPAR covered by about 3 mph on every run. The Bee wasn’t catching up.

@robertjohnson4401

11 ай бұрын

I disagree. Both had about 4.1 gears. So beyond a quarter mile it would be a matter of which engine could rev higher. The Chevy 396 has a shorter stroke and has the advantage in top end revs.

Chrysler put all their eggs in one basket, the king Kong Hemi, and it still dominates today. Even chevrolet and ford have slapped their name on all the top fuel and funny cars.

Wich car is cooler? I would own either. Gotta admit , it's all about preference though.

Both cars tweaked to perfection, looks like advantage Camaro in the power to weight category so the reaction time was critical for the mopar. Hard to consistently put out .03 reaction times. That 300 pounds difference was too much. Maybe if the driver was racehorse jockey size••• Didnt know that about the L78 being in the Corvette earlier and rated 425hp! Says a lot. I'm amazed that they can get that power to the ground with those skinny tires.

I have always loved Chrysler cars from the muscle car era, but the company failed to develop a well thought out, lightweight, "A" body car with a big-block engine. They shoehorned big blocks into Darts and Barracudas, but those cars were pigs to drive, and they were not exceptionally quick in stock form. The "end of the era," Cudas and Challengers were almost as heavy as Chrysler's mid-sized cars had been. It was a market that Chrysler missed. They probably didn't have the money to develop the platforms they needed to be competitive in the compact/big block class.

You all know,it seems like ive seen alot of l78 Camaro's with the fender stripes rather than the RS Z28 rally stripes on a 396 SS!! I know you can get them both types of stripes,or even no stripes numbers matching but most 396's in count do seem to have the side stripes on them!! But,i do love these RS Z28 top rally stripes alot more on the 60's Camaro's!! I like the L48 350 Camaro SS,but people,that's just me!! 396 is too strong in a Camaro,i think the Camaro will probably win becayse of the 4:10 gear!!...🇺🇲🇺🇲

i wanna see a 71 demon 340 on the strip

Thats a sweet road runner, but he’s lucky the camaro didn’t have a 427.

Wow, impressive. Another 50 years will go by and they’ll be running 11 flat….

The “396” is really a 402

I doubt that either of these cars were factory stock. :(

One on the left is THE beast......... It's a MOPAR so ya

Cut that tree and cheat like Hell. Rules say, "...stock appearing"

Mooooooopar

You missed the GM ad warning the public that the Camaro was for Courageous Auto Mechanics And Repairmen Only.

Like the match-ups, but miss your humourous soundtracks.