This is for all the comments asking why you cant see tracers coming from the bombers/why are they not shooting back. The way a tracer round works is that it has a chemical burning behind the bullet so you usually cant see the tracer of the bullet being shot at you during the day, only from the sides or the rear. So yes the bombers are shooting back you just cant see the 50 cal tracers from the perspective of the german fighter pilots.

@higgydufrane

4 жыл бұрын

@Purple Nurp - Hello, I am not discounting what you are saying, I just believe that a lot of this really close, clear film comes from when they have already killed the tail gunner, or the gunners that should be covering their approach. Very nasty business.

@jimritzheimer7465

4 жыл бұрын

You both could be right. But I've seen numerous gun camera videos and you can see the tail Gunner's tracers firing back. They look like they're in slow motion

@tomkovar3586

4 жыл бұрын

THE TAIL GUNNER IS DEAD ??

@sped17373

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomkovar3586 Yes, the trail gunner was usually targeted first--once he's taken out, the attacking fighter can almost match speed with the bomber and just sit behind it and just sort of strafe back and forth aiming for the bomber's engines.

@colinkelly5420

4 жыл бұрын

@@sped17373 Some of these attacks are on groups of US bombers (such as 4:59), and not all their gunners are going to be dead. I think the footage is just too grainy to see the US tracers being fired at the fighters. The OP is right in that tracers are less visible from the front than the rear. Luftwaffe pilots attacking bombers do mention they could see US tracers coming their way, but what may have be visible to their eyes may be lost in the grainy footage we are watching.

My father was a German soldier in the last days of WW2 (sent to the Italian front aged 17 in Jan 45). He told me a story just before he died of riding his bicycle near his village in eastern Germany, and being caught in an air raid. He got off the road and crawled into a field, then the bombers which were shot down started crashing all around him. He said the crews were still in them for the most part. He especially remembered seeing African american airmen among the dead, he had never seen a black man before. Hard to imagine growing up in a time when death was all around like that. He certainly never got over it.

@georgemiller151

2 жыл бұрын

There were no African American airmen in the Bombers. There were airmen in segregated fighter squadrons.

@andibdg2291

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgemiller151 probably fighter plane piloted by tuskagee airmen who were shot down when escorted bombers during allies raid.

@uosmanyakskl6248

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgemiller151 So, it was racist versus more racist!

@frydemwingz

2 жыл бұрын

based

@knakajima1347

Жыл бұрын

Yeah most likely one of the mustangs that were one of the escort fighters for the bombers could have been one of those pilots..

I love how these videos dont have the glorious music that's usually played when watching war. It's impossible to ignore the sickening feeling that war is just slaughter and destruction.

@raidertony1356

4 жыл бұрын

@Yuck Foutube idiotic statement, let's see who started the two world wars, hmmm oh yeah Germany.

@16480287

4 жыл бұрын

WAR ! Here we see thru the eyes of our enemy at that time, our American airmen dying , War is created by not these poor pilots who on both sides are being told by their superiors to go KILL and to this day we still follow our orders. All because nations by greed or diplomatic strives for advancement to conquer has been going on since the Roman times till the end of war which will never end ! Allies today and enemies tomorrow is what we see. Will we ever see peace for eternity ? the answer to that will come after we pass.

@sikandermalik6923

4 жыл бұрын

Where the hell is the fighter escort Why are the bombers not firing back This is just turkey shoot

@henryseidel5469

4 жыл бұрын

@Frankly Frank The victory over Germany was achieved by the Soviets, by nobody else. Without Stalin's soldiers having done all the dirty jobs between 1941 and 1944 not a single American or British soldier would have touched European ground. When the US-boys arrived at the Bridge of Remagen in January 1945 the German Army had already been finished between Leningrad, Stalingrad and Berlin.

@ADRAPER1303

4 жыл бұрын

@@sikandermalik6923 they normally attacked bombers that were already damaged and had fallen out of formation. Attacking a B17 formation with it's covering fields of fire was very dangerous, a lot of German fighter planes were shot down trying it.

My uncle, George Lynn Peterson, B-24 pilot, shot down over Friedrichshaven on his 23rd mission, 1944 He remained in the spiraling plane at the controls to allow his crew to bail out. Some made it.

@therealuncleowen2588

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your uncle's story. We should all feel enormous respect for his sacrifice.

@dfelix007

Жыл бұрын

I respect his history.

@isaachenry5692

Жыл бұрын

An American hero.

@infinitecanadian

8 ай бұрын

My sympathies.

@ottogarsber

3 ай бұрын

Das war ein Terrorbomber! Hoffentlich ist er abgeschlossen worden bevor er die Bomben abgeworfen hat!

To all the airman on all sides in the war who lost their lives, may you RIP.

@leightri

Жыл бұрын

My hometown of Portsmouth was heavily bombed by the Nazi airforce. On the night of January 10th 1941, 300 German bomb crews dropped 350 tons of high explosives and 25,000 incendiaries (according to the proudly accurate Nazi records). 930 people were killed, 3,000 injured, presumably many burned alive, and a hospital destroyed. 10% of the homes in the city destroyed. I hope that murderous air crews that were fighting to expand the genocide of the Nazi empire that shot down by the defenses of the city, suffer the same fate as their victim. I do not hope that airmen of all sides who lost their lives, certainly that night, RIP but judgment has been passed on them.

@pain6362

Жыл бұрын

@@markopace974 You better not disappear

@TovGroza

Жыл бұрын

Ну уж нет. Гитлеровцы должны горедь в аду. Тут без вариантов.

@reyzix-jj5of

Жыл бұрын

@@leightri 1.783.612 firebombs, 30.333 explosive Bombs. Over 6.700 people lost ther lifes and 90% of the city centre got destroyed, 140.000 Familys lost their homes. And the perpetrators were not the Nazis, it was the Royal Air Force

@stelware0

Жыл бұрын

The same for the english Crews which bombed Dresden, cologne, and other citys, without having military targets. It is an english phenomenon to accuse the other side, and totaly forgot the own history.

My uncle Bill was a mechanic for the 8th AF during the war - at the time, mechanics were assigned to one plane and crew - he said he knew all about the first crew, their hometowns, girlfriends and such - and then, one day, they didn't come back. So from then on, he just looked at their shoes - because he knew they weren't coming back. He went through 8 crews before the war ended.

@angelonunez8555

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the guys who didn't come back (in shot-down US heavy bombers) ended up as PoWs, unlike most of the crewmen in shot-down RAF heavies, who had a shockingly low survival rate. As an extreme example, I'll give you the stats from the 381st Bomb Group on its August 17th, 1943, mission. From 11 B-17s that didn't return, only five men were KIA, 85 became PoWs, 11 evaded capture and 10 were rescued from the sea after their aircraft was ditched. As an extreme example of how bad it could be for RAF crewmen, 1 Group (Lancasters and Wellingtons) on four missions to Hamburg in late July and early August of 1943, lost 20 aircraft. From those 20 bombers, 126 men were killed, and a pitifully small number of just four men survived as prisoners.

@tvbopc5416

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelonunez8555 The numbers can be confusing. 8th and 9th AAF lost roughly 55k men over the course of the war, 20K were KIA, and 37K pow or missing. Now, when you assume all the missing are dead, the actual death count is about 37K, or a loss/death rate of roughly 67%. There is some grey area, such as deaths from aircraft not lost, and other types of aircraft, accidents, or unreported deaths in camps or murders by German civilians, but the large majority from US bomber command were in B17s. British survival/loss was about half the AAF rate.

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelonunez8555 You are right, and after the war the US Army put the german pows in Rhine meadow death camps. I wish germany threat the US pows like that than it would be fair !

@therealuncleowen2588

Жыл бұрын

@@spaSSkloppe The Rhine Meadow death camps for post war German POWs are a myth. No such death camps existed. Dr Mark Felton has a very good video on the topic explaining how the myth began.

@spaSSkloppe

Жыл бұрын

@@therealuncleowen2588 The same Myth like the gaschambers ?

Major Hackl at 2:30 was one of the top Luftwaffe aces or experten of WWII - Major Anton Hackl. He was awarded the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords and survived the war.

@davetorre1694

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite WWII pilot. He flew the Messerschmitt against fighters and the Focke-Wulf against bombers. On his first mission with JG 26 in the FW 190D-9, he shot down a P-51, a Mosquito, and a Lancaster in a span of four minutes. He shot down three 4 engined bombers in a span of ten minutes in March of 44.

@paoloviti6156

3 жыл бұрын

@@davetorre1694 I know very little about this pilot but I can understand very well that he was an real "experten"

@mochamadvitoyanuar4903

3 жыл бұрын

I dont understand about german military. Why they still put high rank officers in the field instead office?

@paoloviti6156

3 жыл бұрын

@@mochamadvitoyanuar4903 for the simple reason: after years of fighting there was a serious shortage of well trained pilots so they kept as much as possible the "experten" up to lead the green pilots when fuel was available....

@watching99134

Жыл бұрын

@@paoloviti6156 Also some like Adolf Galland (a distant relative of mine fwiw) hated being behind a desk.

Good footage, lots of scenes of Sturmgruppe pilots, for those who do not know, they flew heavily armed and armoured Focke Wulf 190s initially with 20 mm cannon and machine gun, later versions had 30mm guns, utterly devastating to an allied bomber, what you’re seeing is but a snapshot of the actions, it may look like the bombers are taking lots of punishment, and indeed they are, but the damage to machine and men inside would normally be fatal. One can only imagine the horror going on inside the B-17/24s. Whatever the politics, the men flying all these aircraft were very brave.

@Angrybogan

2 жыл бұрын

My father was a partisan during the war. He said he actually liked the Germans and had no beef with them. He even thought "fair enough" when they took over Italy, since the Italian Army had been wiped out in the USSR. When they went to the Front though and got replaced by Slav and Fascist auxiliaries, that was different. They were brutal.

The guys that flew in those planes had balls of steel. I went into a B17 at an air show and was shocked at how tiny it was inside. The walls were paper thin. 20,000 feet up, -40 outside, and 109s shooting at your ass😳 No thanks. I was a grunt, I’ll stay on the ground. My salute to all those heroes on both sides

@thebassboostedchannel1251

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not like there was a position that you were more likely to survive in on a bomber as well, especially if your a gunner and bullets are just ripping through metal and glass. B17s had a tendency to lose number 2 engine and the entire nose of the plane when faced with heavy flak, it’s not really talked about much but it occurred a good amount during ploesti and the raids on kesselring’s troops.

@leftylimbo

2 жыл бұрын

True. I had the opportunity to board the B-17 Nine-O-Nine (RIP) a few years back, and although I was thoroughly impressed, I also felt some measure of anxiety imagining myself on a bomb run in the midst of flak and enemy fighters. Watching this footage doesn't help, either.

@johnburrows1179

2 жыл бұрын

@@leftylimbo I hear that. I always wondered how many bombers were shot down by accident by other bombers? You had what, 8 fifty cals on a B17, all in formation, guys shooting all over chasing single engine fighters. There had to be friendly fire accidents. I can’t even imagine the kaos. I was an infantry man in Vietnam, it was crazy at times. But at least I didn’t have to worry about falling 30,000 feet on top of everything else. These guys were truly amazing

@leftylimbo

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnburrows1179 There had to have been friendly fire all over the place. Flying in tight formation, it had to have happened. With your adrenaline pumping and an enemy fighter weaving throughout the squadron...sheez. You're right about those walls being paper thin though. I knocked on it while I was inside and was like... man, good luck. This footage though... I mean, literally those bombers looked like sitting ducks. I know there had to be defensive fire somehow, but in this footage I didn't sense any kind of evasive maneuvers by the aggressor. It was like a walk in the park. Strafing on a Sunday morning. I dunno. It's terrible. Is there any footage of P-51s taking out german bombers at least? I can't imagine the chaos you went through in Vietnam, yet I thank you for your bravery and service. It's only relatively recently that I took the time to watch documentaries about that conflict, and can't believe the dire situations our soldiers went through, only to return home to even more hostilities from civilians. I hope you managed to recover from any trauma you experienced in the field.

@jasondonovan1408

2 жыл бұрын

Nazi's weren't heroes.....They started all this carnage.

My Children's Great Grandfather Mr Kenneth Powell, was a gunner on a B-17. Never spoke about it except once, to me to the shock of his kids, told me his story, Rest in Peace Sir.. you are Remembered..

@AtZero138

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Deshon Massive amounts of Respect to him and You.. thanks for sharing..

@robertdavenport5457

4 жыл бұрын

The urge to protect children from the experience apparently continues even after those children age and have their children. Grandchildren seem to be told about wartime experiences more than children.

@BELCAN57

4 жыл бұрын

Many of that generation are extremely reticent to talk about their war experience.

@stefanwiebers9991

3 жыл бұрын

My mother was just seven years old when she was atacked by russian fighter planes. She never talkes about what she saw. Sometimes only a little bit. ..nur for her it was the TOTALE KRIEG !

@Christoph-sd3zi

Жыл бұрын

Killing civilians by dropping bombs on them is something a coward does not something a noble warrior does.

Unteroffizier Vivroux (1:00) and Lt. Gerth (5:29) were among the best shots in this round-up... the number of hits they scored on their respective targets is amazing. For some idea of the relative closing speeds, play the video at 2x... most times you had a window of just mere seconds from the time you get within gun-range and the time you need to break. That being said, at least 1 Luftwaffe pilot (IIRC Walter Krupinski) commented that using the favoured head-on attacks (especially before the B-17G and its chin turret entered service), all it took was a half-second burst to the cockpit area and a kill was practically "guaranteed". High risk, high rewards.

@hansvonmannschaft9062

Жыл бұрын

Thought exactly the same regarding Unteroffizier Vivroux. Then we also got Hauptmann Wangner, on his BF 110, who took a while but at 4:41 finally began to dish out some serious brutality on the Russian bomber.

@jaykay7932

Жыл бұрын

well no, you use something called a "throttle" and try matching the speed of the target, unless youre being shot at from behind in which case then yes, you'd be flying fast and hard trying to survive/turn the tables

@DenKHK

Жыл бұрын

@@jaykay7932 Except there's this thing called the "combat box" that the bombers flew in, which in the case of B-17s could field up to 700 50 cal guns against an attacking fighter. So you'd be shot at from everywhere and matching speed would make you a sitting duck. Typical German tactics when attacking bombers was to keep the closing speeds high in order to minimise exposure to the wall of defensive fire - fast in, fast out. This is supported by the footage here, which shows what actually went on as opposed to an armchair postulation. So well no, matching speeds was not the norm unless the skies were clear of escort fighters - increasingly rare from late 1943 onwards - and the bomber was a straggler, making it a "separation kill".

@paulwelsh9345

Жыл бұрын

Quite. The Sturmstaffel guys signed a waiver saying they understood they were expected to make a kill on each mission and if they didn’t make it with the guns they were to ram the bomber. They were for all intents being told they shouldn’t expect to survive. Their 190s carried increased armour and later the devastating 30mm cannons for that frontal attack. Maximovitz and vivroux were part of the Sturmstaffel. They developed techniques like the frontal attack that at least improved their own survival chances and were broken up in 44 I believe, dispersing the pilots

@hansvonmannschaft9062

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwelsh9345 Whoah, _thar be hope,_ and internet miracles once in a while, like yours sir, where out of the blue you showed up to share a very nice amount of info. Wonder if that Staffel/Schwadron got broken up due to equipment needs and/or lack thereof, or, due to something else. Great input Paul, thank you!

The pilot of video number two was quite a shot. The way he raked left and right along the wings and got so many hits shows either experience or talent. Dunno which

Imagine sitting in one of those aircraft and listening to the shells? WOW!

@alexg3534

3 жыл бұрын

its call " pisdez "

@joshboyfuture9698

3 жыл бұрын

Does 20 and 30 mm are going to be doing more than making noise even in a big old bomber they're probably going to punch all the way through if they're not detonating and exploding

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshboyfuture9698 Between the impacts you see are Armour Piercing and Fire Shells that hit without a pluff. A 20mm AP Shell can break a tank, imagine what this thing do with a Aluminium platete Objekt and how deep this thing penetrade!

@joshboyfuture9698

3 жыл бұрын

@@spaSSkloppe yeah specially if they were German shells lot of people don't realize they had actually invented a certain type of Cannon shell that was really feared by the Allies I can't remember what exactly done that send apart but I think it was something about detonating inside of planes rather than on impact.

@daBEAGLE1017

3 жыл бұрын

Terrifying

Thank you for sharing this, I’ve not seen this footage before. In case anyone is wondering the “DB 3” at 3:02 is the Ilyushin DB-3, a Soviet twin-engined bomber.

@bilbobigbollix7318

4 жыл бұрын

Ah! Was wondering. Many thanks.

@doug4932

4 жыл бұрын

thank you, I was wondering myself

@brushwolf

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering. Cool!

@zombywoof1072

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I was wondering. I'll add something. At 4:18. My guess is: a rocket fired by another Me-110 attacking from another quarter. These films were shot overcranked (slow motion) and the rockets were slow. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werfer-Granate_21

@blowingfree6928

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering thanks, I thought it might be a Boston, as when I googled DB3 it came up as an Aston Martin car.

Jimmy Stewart stated in the great series 'World at War' that "the single-engine fighter really was the boogeyman" and that the German pilots tended to be really good. The Focke-Wolfe 190 really did earn the moniker of 'butcher bird'. 1 in 20 American deaths in WWII were in the 8th Air Force alone-nearly 20,000 men to give an idea of just how bad things were for bomber crews. They still had a better chance than Luftwaffe pilots that flew until they died. The few that survived racked up 200+ victories as they flew for the duration.

@ajjackson1526

4 жыл бұрын

Dude! I just checked out the first few episodes of World at war and It is probably the best ww2 documentary of all time. Crow says hi btw...

@chiphailstone589

4 жыл бұрын

Theres more than a few flashes from the gun positions on the craft they attacking, and quite right, you dont see a tracer comming at you, till its past you....

@jean-marccloutier4309

4 жыл бұрын

The 4 minute mark, the carnage inside there, I cant imagine .. .. . " , , Thats why I came here to maybe see, My Dad was a newly trained Navigator at the time, England, 23 yrs old, Flight Sergeant, R.C.A.F, Trained and ready .. late summer of 1944, scheduled to Sail and fight in the Pacific, packed duffel bags ready to go, " I Still have one of two of them, one traveled with me, well used has a Hockey Duffel bag, Atom and Pee-wee days, ...luckily, by Spring, the war ended, it was over,, he was glad then, and I was glad before I knew I could even conceive of being glad, ..... great clip for what the brave boys did, remember them

@richmerowitz5610

4 жыл бұрын

The thing to bear in mind regarding the high scores of the "experten" is that they operated in a "target rich" environment.

@dukecraig2402

4 жыл бұрын

@@richmerowitz5610 Something else to bear in mind is that something like one third of all 8th Air Force deaths were due to accidents, so one must subtract that number from credits given to German pilots, then you have the amount that can be attributed to flak, and the German AA gunners were notoriously good, my family lost someone who was a navigator on a B24 to 88 fire at 23,000 feet, so one must subtract that number from credits people instinctively want to give to German pilots also.

Imagine being the tail gunner on that B17 and the predominant attack is from the six o clock. You can see why tight formations were critically important.

@joseywilds3133

4 жыл бұрын

It looks like they (B-17) are on the way home? Could be out of ammo, respect! To both sides! The German that was shooting that B-17 aiming for the engines, just trying to down the plane,

@northdakotaham1752

4 жыл бұрын

@Rock Hard cool! What was there to shoot? If I was the tail gunner on the B17 in the video, I would be praying that the waist gunner in the wing man's plane paid attention during gunnery school. If there was a wing man's plane that is.

@Athrun82

4 жыл бұрын

I try to imagine the shock of bomber pilots when the Germans decided to attack from the front since the "easiest" way to down a bomber is by killing the pilots.

@tomservo5347

4 жыл бұрын

@@Athrun82 Actually the frontal attacks were concentrating on the fuel tanks in between engines-the 'sweet spot'. Plus the fact with the exception of the limited mid-upper turret there were no defensive guns facing forward until the 'G' models came out with a Bendix powered chin turret. The average gunner carried about 500 rounds per operation or less than 2 minutes of firing due to weight restrictions. They tried having bombers on 'Purple Heart corner' (the extreme edge of formations) with twin mounted waist guns carry nothing but ammunition (no bombs) so they could fire continuously but abandoned the idea as they couldn't keep up with the bombers after they'd dropped their payloads.

@Stormshadow11114

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Servo , very interesting I never knew that!

That guy Maximowitz (27 victories) always flew with an MP-40 Machinepistol in his cocpit against the Russians in 1945, to be able to shoot his way out if he was forced down behind their lines. He failed to return 20 april 1945 after combat with russian fighters.

@markberryhill2715

3 жыл бұрын

He was a badass, just for the wrong side.

@bazbbeeb7226

3 жыл бұрын

@@markberryhill2715 killing commies, id say he was on the right side.

@chevinbarghest8453

2 жыл бұрын

@@bazbbeeb7226 ...... There are may who think like that...they are called insurrectionists nowadays.. lol

@Dilley_G45

2 жыл бұрын

@@markberryhill2715 the so called democratic nations in ww2 were supporting the wrong side...uSSr

@cloroxbleach9222

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dilley_G45 The Natsocs were invading peaceful European nations and liquidated their perceived enemies in the countries they invaded and occupied, not just in their own. I'm damn sure the Allies did the right thing in destroying the Nazis before looking at fighting the Soviets

How amazing should be these vids with The sound of The 30 mm Rheinmetal cannon....!!!!

@jeffreywitty3088

2 жыл бұрын

20 mm MG 151

@DannyBoy777777

2 жыл бұрын

@Crazymoose And the sounds of those screaming and dying too.....

I've watched a lot of gun camera films and this is the best because it documents the date and pilots unlike all of the other videos. I love details and this film provides the needed details. I admire all of the brave airmen of WWII regardless of who they flew for although I admire Luftwaffe pilots the most!

@jimmyhaley727

3 жыл бұрын

then i would guess that you vote BLUE

@antoniogomes4975

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyhaley727 what could that possibly mean?

@sahb7834

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyhaley727 you got it reversed, Trump tard!!!🤣🤣

@YouT00ber

Жыл бұрын

@@antoniogomes4975 means he’s a Nazi loving tard

My great grampa was a B17 ball turret gunner. It's such a small space, you have to sit with your legs spread on either side of the 2x .50cal guns and your knees up by your elbows. A very uncomfortable position, made all the more uncomfortable in the knowledge that if you get hit, you'll likely take it in your balls.

@get_emld

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard that the ball turret was the safest place in an aircraft, statistically.

@surplus2720

3 жыл бұрын

@@get_emld in fact tail gunner had the highest death rate 😅.... Image staying inside those glass turret when 20 up 30mm and flak booming and pewing all around...

@swanwickmil

3 жыл бұрын

Ball turrets we’re the worst , hardest to escape , usually he went with down with the plane . Turret must be in posn for exit door to be used . Power lost and you were stuck in there .

@grizwoldphantasia5005

Ай бұрын

Their legs were between the two guns, which provided some side armor effect.

The FW190 was nicknamed the "Butcher Bird", due to the hard hitting machine guns and cannons that it carried.

@nickmitsialis

3 жыл бұрын

a mean little bird of prey called a 'shrike'. It's habit of impaling it's prey on thorns and barbed wire fences for 'later use' is why it's called The Butcher Bird;

@heinrichgafus1495

3 жыл бұрын

Aber leider sind viel zu wenige von euch vom Himmel gefallen, wir hätte mehrere Hartmanns gebraucht, dann würde Die Welt heute ein besserer Platz sein, und Amerika, nicht der allmächtige Kriegstreiber

@kpl455

Жыл бұрын

@@heinrichgafus1495 Würden Sie lieber Russland oder China als weltweite Führungsmacht haben? Ich bin mit den Amerikanern ganz zufrieden.

Such massive firepower the German fighters had! Impressed.

@richardbaxter8001

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately for the rest of the world they just didn't have enough firepower to save Nazi cities, factories and rail marshalling yards.

@nogoodnameleft

Жыл бұрын

3,626 B-24s and 4,688 B-17s were shot down or damaged beyond repair by Axis flak and fighters in Europe and North Africa!!!! These figures are not even including the Pacific theater! For the 8th Air Force it was 26,000 dead U.S. crewmen and about the same number who became MIA/POWs. Don't forget that there were the 12th and 15th Air Forces that the U.S. operated in Africa and Europe that flew into Romania, Italy, Austria, and Germany and suffered even more KIA/MIA/POWs that you can add more casualties to the 8th Air Force also! Just think about that. That means about 40% of all B-17s ever built were shot down by Germans or their allies in WWII in the European theater alone!!! No wonder Hollywood tries so hard to overhype and romanticize the B-17. This nosecam footage from German fighters shows that these bombers were sitting ducks until the P-51s arrived in early 1944. However, if you notice a certain date on many of the different videos it states April 29, 1944, which was one of the most disastrous 8th Air Force bombing raids of the whole war. 65 B-17s and B-24s were shot down by German planes and flak and never made it back to England safely! 432 heavy bombers were damaged in this same raid!!!! For some reason this infamous raid, which happened 2 months after the Luftwaffe was supposedly destroyed in the Big Week of February 1944, is conveniently forgotten by WWII historians. There were more shot down and damaged heavy bombers on 4/29/44 than in the famous 3 bomber raids of 1943 (the two Schweinfurt raids and the Ploesti oil raid)!!! The Luftwaffe had many other days similar to this all throughout the rest of 1944, which is why the total U.S. B-24/B-17 losses in Europe was a whopping 8,314!!! This is not even counting the British air losses in Europe. The British lost 57,000 dead heavy bomber airmen (NOT including Spitfire and other British fighters, btw!) and about 15,000 shot down heavy bombers in Europe during WWII!!!! So you have to add all the KIA/MIA/POWs British and American heavy bomber crew casualties and all those heavy bombers shot down and it adds up to around the Germans shot down 23,000+ heavy bombers in WWII! The German flak and fighters were something else. And the British sure love hyping up the German plane losses during the Battle of Britain but never ever like talking about their own casualties and catastrophic heavy bomber losses over Germany and the rest of Europe.

@patrikeriksson6052

Жыл бұрын

Yes, those auto canon they had make a 50 cal look weak.

@jagenau6334

9 ай бұрын

20mm and 30mm explosive shells.

When I worked for the German Red Cross I met a lot of veterans and even more children that still remembered the war like it was yesterday. One of them was very open talking about his experiences, he was just 11 when the war ended. Since school was hardly considered important anymore him and his classmates were usually used to guard Soviet POWs, drafted from camps to help with the fruit harvest. The man said the Russians were quite happy to do so as they ate some of the apples and pears and thus had better rations than most other POWs. He also spoke of air raids and ground attacks. Said he had to hit the ditch several times when American fighters came in low for strafing runs on trains and horse carriages (this was deep in Central Germany). One day the nearby city was firebombed first by the RAF and then by the USAAF. One of the bombers (by his description probably a B17) took several hits and made an emergency landing in a ditch not far from his village. Naturally the kids all went to see the downed bomber and were there before any Army officials had arrived. One crewman was already dead, the tail gunner was badly wounded but didnt get any help and died moments later. The rest of the crew were unharmed and taken prisoner. Once officials arrived the wreck was inspected for any potentially new technology, then disassembled and hauled off. Whenever we drove by that ditch he said every time he looked down there he could still see the bomber, almost 70 years later.

The FW-190 was indeed " the butcher bird !"

If I'm in a bad mood I watch this and immediately cheer up.

@MG101

9 ай бұрын

Bro.. you’re not a good person

Thanks for allowing comments. They add much to the film

Incredible. How do you get these footages? Do you have other Luftwaffe gun cameras that weren't posted yet? I would like to access them. Thanks for bringing this up for us with so good quality.

From my mother's sleep I fell into the State, And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze. Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life, I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters. When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose. Randall Jarrell. 1945.

@dreamdancer8212

3 жыл бұрын

Sad words . . .

My Pop was a .50 cal tailgunner in B24, he passed in 2011 and didn't talk about it much at all other than "we had to bail out into the pacific at times".

It's amazing how tough the aircraft are to take so many hits and continue flying. I hope everyone has the sense not to be pursueded by politicians and the compliant media into fighting or supporting a war thinking that a war is worth it.

@ImpeachObamaASAP2010

2 жыл бұрын

"thinking that a war is worth it." i guess you'd rather be speaking german

@umpman04

Жыл бұрын

Thats ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ! ! War is ALWAYS about Money ! Always has been, always will be, If you can disagree with that, 1 of 2 things is apparent. You're ether in on it or blindly F'n RETARDED in need of a education because you're being poisoned by govt. propaganda! ! ! You know them. They're the people WITH the money looking for the fools to believe them and go FIGHT the wars................Sickening! ! ! ! .................

@ImpeachObamaASAP2010

Жыл бұрын

@Mister Google you should rethink what you said 1 the US government starts wars not the people 2 any war that is fought to defend your own country, an ally's country, or a country desperate for help (ukraine?) is justified. 3 ok let's look at the wars the US has been involved in since 1945: Korean War - The US entered at the request of the Korean gov Vietnam War - The us entered at the request of the Vietnamese gov The Gulf War - The US entered at the request of the Kuwaiti gov War in Afghanistan - The US entered at the request of the Afghani gov The Iraq War - The US entered the war to remove a sadistic dictator and free up the world's 5th largest oil deposit so since WWII (another war fought to defend our own country and the world) the US has only been involved in 1 war in which it was the aggressor and that was against a POS dictator that uses biological weapons on his own people and should have been removed by an international military intervention long before his downfall

@ImpeachObamaASAP2010

Жыл бұрын

@Mister Google so next time, just say "Thanks! I don't like speaking German."

@kokoeteantigha389

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes they are.

Thank you so much for not making this a theatrical mess.

The thought that with each mission there would be a good chance you wouldn't be returning must have been unreal. These men were truly courageous.

The translation "hunter killer squadrons" is very wrong. A correct translation is "fighter and destroyer squadrons". In german, fighter aircraft are called hunters and destroyer refers to the Bf-110

B-17's could take an insane amount of damage and still fly.

@nicholasteng9910

3 жыл бұрын

War Thunder B-17's get shredded compared to the real life B-17's

@ken-dw4or

3 жыл бұрын

My friends father was a bombardier on a B-17 with the 15thAF/97BG flew 2 tours (50missions) with the same crew made it home before the wars end. He told me if it wasn't for the B-17 he probably wouldn't made it home. Orginally trained in B-24 in Texas but the crew was broken up an put in a replacement pool and he was put in the 15th AF when it was being expanded. The reason for the crew break up was the captain caught a bad case of VD going to the whore houses in Mexico.

@lindabarkwell4223

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasteng9910 ikr, one bullet and ur tail section or wing in gone

@bmused55

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasteng9910 The fragility of Bombers in War Thunder is ridiculous. And if your team isn't on the job to provide some cover, you rarely get anything done.

@nicholasteng9910

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmused55 At least let them soak up enough 20 mm and 30 mm cannon rounds before they go down.

Having checked historical records for Hackl, it appears that the P47 from The April 4, 1944 film was not confirmed; later on April 15, 1944 he and his Gruppe caught and mauled a P38 group (downing 7 or 8 P38s) but as his gruppe was landing, they were bounced by P47s (specifically the 56th FG) and Hackl was shot down and wounded.

@BatMan-xr8gg

3 жыл бұрын

Good facts and well researched. Thank you for the info. Cheers

@nickmitsialis

3 жыл бұрын

@@BatMan-xr8gg Glad you liked it; I got the info from another handy (but lately apparently abandoned) site www.luftwaffe.cz/

As an American watching these videos it gives an entirely different perspective on the war. Growing up as a post war kid we usually only saw video of enemy planes being shot down. My gut aches to see our guys getting chewed up.

@nkristianschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

great heroes www.pinterest.de/pin/299700550172165509/

@dickfitzwelliner2807

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I couldnt finish the video

@trossk

4 жыл бұрын

But firebombing civilians is ok?

@toast2610

4 жыл бұрын

I'd bed you can watch reel after reel of civilians being burned alive in the cities since its other people's guys

@Oberkommando

4 жыл бұрын

The German pilots were determined to shoot the american terrorbombers down before they could firebomb their families

I guess the Tail Gunner went first.

@1977Yakko

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in some of the footage you see the 20mm cannon shells exploding right on the tail gunner.

@shietnewfeature.delethethis

4 жыл бұрын

@@1977Yakko probably not much left of that poor guy

@chpman2013

3 жыл бұрын

In any attack on a bomber's 6 'o clock position, the tail-gunner is often the first to go.

@anibalcesarnishizk2205

3 жыл бұрын

I read that ground personnel had to wash off the tail gun what was left of the gunner with hoses.🤤🤤

@vh2337

3 жыл бұрын

Nose gunner like my Dad.

Awesome! These videos rock!

Tracers appear behind bullets, if you could see it from the front, you could avoid the incoming fire, thus tracers are only seen by those shooting the.

The second Fockewulf aim was on point. He was sniping excellently

It's a shame to see that ww2 never ended. It's still being fought in the comments below.

So sad that the targets are young, terrified men, flesh and blood, sons, brothers and fathers of a distant family. No wonder tail gunners only lived one or two missions. Very sad and very brave.

@kw19193

3 жыл бұрын

Believe it or not the casualty rates for the waist gunners was higher than that of the tail gunners, not by a huge margin but nonetheless surprising. Cheers!

@rider6500

3 жыл бұрын

At least they were soldiers. The targets of the bombers were the wives and chidren of the other side, 'to break the fighting spirit of the Germans and to make them start a revolution'.

@Toncor12

3 жыл бұрын

@@rider6500 Pay-back for what Germans did to English wives and kids in London perhaps?

@rider6500

3 жыл бұрын

@@Toncor12 Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way round. Germany made about 80 peace offers during the course of the war, they were all declined by Britain.

@Snipurss

2 жыл бұрын

@@rider6500 Also don't forget the first air raids targeting cities were the RAF against Germany, not the other way around

Moin! Beeindruckende Aufnahmen! So,in dieser Art noch nie gesehen! Danke fürs zeigen!

Two German 20mm's in the ME-109 were sure effective on the B-17. scary to see the other side having success.

One of my uncles was a tail gunner on one of those B-17s. Nerves of steel.

Amazing how much of a pounding the B17 could take and still keep flying .

@JonathanVanHornsoundjon

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Davidson you are right, but most of those planes that take that sort of beating don't make their final destination

@xeigen2

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the crew dead, most of the engines either dead or losing oil and will soon seize. Losing fuel. Gradually losing altitude even on 2 engines. Make no mistake these planes are going down. But it is still quite impressive yeah.

@xeigen2

Жыл бұрын

@Mister Google Impossible to tell in a lot of cases if they're running or the props are just windmilling. Either way those radial engines could run for a while with a hole in the crankcase or even a cylinder missing but would eventually seize due to oil starvation. Same if an oil cooler is hit, it'll run for a while but the lack of oil will stop it.

Very informative, Coach

私の亡くなった祖父は大日本帝国陸軍工兵二等兵でした。北朝鮮国境を防衛。敗戦でソビエト軍の捕虜になり、数年間シベリアで強制労働。 この映像とは次元が違う・・・ありふれた招集兵。

All them brave men. RIP

Não é atoa que eles são chamados de "A Grande Geração", bravos soldados lutando para defender os seus respectivos povos, grandes homens que se sacrificaram por um mundo que não lhes dá o devido valor. 🤚🏻SH!!! meus camaradas, que Deus abençoe suas almas.

Videos show just how hard it was to bring down those B-17's. Took those hits and just kept trucking. Grandfather was a B-17 Pilot on the "Idiot's Delight". He said rounds and shrapnel just passed threw like butter. He snuck steel plates to put around his seat in the cockpit. Never wanted to talk to much about it. Had a lot of buddies that weren't so lucky. He was most proud of the ball bearing plant's they leveled and when he returned home started a job at the local SKF Ball bearing plant and stayed there until he retired.

Hey there guys and gals. Go to 4 minutes and 15 seconds in this video and watch from right to left and you will a classic Foo-fighter enter the screen then turn into the camera on the left side. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

@isaccsanmiguel362

Жыл бұрын

Dude I was thinking the same looking at the comments to see if anyone noticed

@jeffreyb8770

4 ай бұрын

I noticed it, too. Surreal.

Those B-17 are like flying fortess..just keep hiting over and over and just keep going..like an video game final boss..

@TacticalPhoenixYT

3 жыл бұрын

Unless packing MK108.

Very interesting! New sequences I havent seen before!

@budusaf6264

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, these are "new".

@jagdpanther9RCaircraft

4 жыл бұрын

agreed . this must be recently found.

@dukecraig2402

4 жыл бұрын

German gun camera footage is pretty rare because the storage facility where it was kept at a Luftwaffe base or wherever got flattened by an Allied bombing run late in the war and most of it was destroyed.

@teatime6597

4 жыл бұрын

@@dukecraig2402 Thats really sad. But since these appear now, perhaps there are more films to resurface from archives...One can hope.

@dukecraig2402

4 жыл бұрын

@@teatime6597 Could be, but I kinda doubt it. Old film like that is highly flammable and over time it becomes unstable and can actually spontaneously combust, so anything that hasn't already been transferred to modern film or a digital media probably won't be any good if it is discovered nowadays. There's a video here on KZread from a few years back of a WW2 US fighter pilot who takes his gun camera footage to a place to have it transferred to a digital process, as soon as the woman who runs the place opens the canister and see's the condition the films in she makes everyone evacuate the place and calls the bomb squad, she explains to the guy that just handling the film could cause it to burst into flames given the advanced state of deterioration that it's in. When he explains to her that it's been sitting on a shelf in the top of one of his closets in his house she tells him he's lucky it didn't burn his house down. I never knew it but apparently US fighter pilots were allowed to keep their own gun camera footage at the end of the war.

My dad was shot down on his 10th mission and was imprisoned at Stalagluft IV and I til war's end.

Watching the bit around 1:45 to 2 mins. Do the missed rounds explode after a certain distance?

The stones on these chads, both sides, dwarfs our puny contemporaries

Its amazing watching these videos from a different time that really wasn't that long ago war is a terrible thing but also terrible interesting

@Aengus42

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, I was born 19 years after VE day. It's no wonder the first stories I remember my Nan telling me was if the fires of London lighting up the sky during the blitz. There was an ARP helmet in the garage. And the nose of a 3.7" timed fuze AA shell in a draw in the writing desk. Now I'm an adult I realise that 19 years is nothing! Such s huge event! Like my Mum, on the way to school, having to dive in the hedge as a German aircraft strafed the playground, schoolkids scattering. My Mom said the plane rolled as it flew over her, the last image she had was of the pilot laughing. No wonder I grew up with stories of the war so fresh in my families minds. I got "Paranoid", an album by Black Sabbath. On it is a track called "War Pigs". It starts with a WWll air raid siren. My Mum would suddenly "jump". It induced that fight or flight reflex in her every time I played it. I got headphones from her next birthday! kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWJuteKZr3Kado.html

No question why these guys are called the greatest generation. I couldn’t imagine being part of the air crew

@peterbondy

3 жыл бұрын

While I don’t entirely disagree I think the veterans of WWI were perhaps part of an even more horrific war. In any case I too can’t even begin to imagine how these brave men did this even once let alone day after day.

@bigsarge8795

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterbondy ill agree with that.

Looks like a "Foo Fighter" at minute 4:17 go from right to left across the screen.

Honestly, where do they find these? I’ve never seen this one before! Are they just laying around in a museum or barn?

@colinkelly5420

4 жыл бұрын

I'm also surprised they found this stuff. I've been told a lot of the gun cam footage from the Luftwaffe was stored in Dresden and went up in flame along with the city in 1945. I never expected to see any new stuff like this.

@Iahusha777Iahuah

4 жыл бұрын

@@colinkelly5420 thats a nice way to bring up the atrocity of dresden. Thanks

@toast2610

4 жыл бұрын

They have probably been suppressed or self-suppressed.

@eugeneoreilly9356

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iahusha777Iahuah They have down the wind, now they will reap the whirlwind.

@jimm4268

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iahusha777Iahuah ---- Atrocity? That’s arguable and has been since 1945. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

To put it in perspective, imagine hiding underneath an overturned aluminum boat and have someone spray 20mm cannon shells at it. Aluminum is not going to stop anything and you have no place to hide.

@robertdavenport5457

4 жыл бұрын

www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/1519644/bomber-crew-protection/ Some help but lots of areas in the open for damage. The crew wasn't able to take advantage of the armadillo defensive maneuver that may have helped an infantry man wearing the same equipment during an artillery air burst.

I didn't notice any return fire, tracer etc. Yes we will always be grateful to those who gave so much.

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the glory Luftwaffe gave all to stop this Childmurder.

@sahhull

3 жыл бұрын

Tracers are only seen from the shooters perspective... So you'll never see incoming tracer fire.

A couple of my neighbors flew on bombers during WW2. One neighbor that lived across the street had his leather flight jacket in the garage and you could see bombs (one bomb for each mission) and a couple parachutes (bailed out?) on the front of the jacket.

I cannot imagine the terror of those bomber crews.

Ein Hoch, auf die deutsche Luftwaffe!

Amazing kill shots... Very rare footage

Amazing footage 😮

As a crew of one of those bombers, I cannot imagine the horror of suddenly realising you were being targeted.

@dustysmoke4996

Жыл бұрын

Try not to imagine what it was like for the ball gunner in the belly of the bird, laying on your back and curled up like a snail in its shell, no room for a parachute in there, and almost impossible to get out of it if the plane starts to go down. Suicide job.

Lots of brave men going to their deaths in this video. I hope we never forget to honor them.

@eltigre249

3 жыл бұрын

Loyce Edward Deen

@davetorre1694

3 жыл бұрын

Those who are real people will never forget.

@LTPottenger

3 жыл бұрын

yes 'brave' people bombing civilians. What's next 'brave' snipers? lol

@LTPottenger

2 жыл бұрын

@L Most of them were not drafted, though I would not blame the common soldier/gunner much if any. And of course they are war crimes, any carpet bombing was and anyone who says other is just a criminal too. Dresden was not a legit target in any way, it was an open city full of refugees and undefended with no industry or military targets at all. All the foreigners caught in germany were also in dresden and murdered by churchill. Dresden is also nothing compared carpet bombing that took place it's just the one an american guy witnessed so became famous. They carpet bombed the center of every village and killed almost entirely women and children. Anyone who supports it is scum, plain and simple. Congratulation, inhuman scum.

That is really chilling to watch, and very sad.

Recientemente vi este video restaurado y a todo color en tiktok, es impresionante lo que hace la tecnología I recently saw this restored and full color video on tiktok, it's amazing what technology does

Vivroux at 1,20 minutes is a Sniper!!!..........long range very accurate shots!!!!!!

@sped17373

4 жыл бұрын

I used to have a book titled "The Sturmgruppen" in which Gerhard Vivroux is mentioned.....he had only a handful of aerial victories (less than 10). On his last sortie he was badly injured by return fire from a bomber he was attacking, forcing him to make an emergency crash landing. He died from his injuries several days later. Unlike your typical fighter pilot, Vivroux was fairly tall--there are several photos of him in that book as well as a color profile of the Fw-190 he flew.

you sure dont get to see these lovely shots in cinema. There is no doubt, victors write history

@someguy5035

Жыл бұрын

The germans lost. It isn't a written by the victors thing.

@kingcamilo

Жыл бұрын

@@someguy5035 yes it is, they control what is exposed and what isnt. Like the war crimes the allies committed

@someguy5035

Жыл бұрын

@@kingcamilo Then how is this video here?

Good shot boys!

@openbordersforisrael6169

Жыл бұрын

The legions of Satan got what they deserved in this video

Wow ! Merci beaucoup ! 👍

@PeriscopeFilm

3 жыл бұрын

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I love German air force during WW2!

Respect to these brave men

New clips ..super

Always very interesting. God bless you.

Poor kids. I hate to think of the terror they went through in their final moments.

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, every killed Bomber save 100 Kids.

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

@Dave C Mmhh yes total war, germany accept the total war in 1943. A bit too late I think because the allied start his Terrorbombing earlier.

@sailorman8668

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaSSkloppe You seem to have forgotten about the bombing of London by the Germans? Did they not think they were killing innocent civilians?

@spaSSkloppe

2 жыл бұрын

@@sailorman8668 What is with London...England start his bombing campain against civillians in germany a half year before, what did you think is the answere of this.

@bw6524

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaSSkloppe Germany set the precident, they were bombing civilians in the first minutes of the war.

Thanks for allowing, admitly snarky sometimes, comments

Does anyone know why the outgoing tracer rounds appear unstable? Is it vibration on the camera or the rounds tumbling

This is so exciting.

Fun fact- you can’t see tracers when they’re being fired At you

@unhippy1

4 жыл бұрын

having had them shot at me, i can say your wrong

@BadWolf762

4 жыл бұрын

Tracers work both ways.

@mitchbertone3809

4 жыл бұрын

@@BadWolf762 tracer rounds are only lit in the back, you can't see them coming at you only when they pass you and you look back unless you are wearing night vision optics, which will enhance the light of the burning tracer. Seeing tracers coming at you is in Hollywood movie or Star Wars.

@colinkelly5420

4 жыл бұрын

@@mitchbertone3809 No that is not the case. The US tracers were visible to German pilots, in fact the Americans wanted the tracers to be visible to scare the hell out of the Germans attacking the massed formations and being shot at by dozens of guns: "Instead of splitting the defensive fire, the Amis can concentrate on me. I see the wall of tracers and shrink as small as I can behind my big radial engine. I find the B-17 i am heading towards in the Revi and squeeze the trigger briefly. Then "Ground floor and exit!" Split-S, smoke in the cockpit, electrical sparks- fortunately there is no fire" --Eberhard Burath I./JG 1 US tracers were red, I suspect they are just not showing up well on the grainy grey guncam footage we are watching. To Luftwaffe pilots, the tracers were certainly visible, at least as far as their accounts claim.

@tbjr1150

4 жыл бұрын

Larger triple A looks like balls of fire floating up at a pilot.

Wahnsinn, wie dicht die da ran mussten!

@spaSSkloppe

3 жыл бұрын

Die haben ordentlich was vertragen!

@seitenwind7940

3 жыл бұрын

@@spaSSkloppe Das waren todesmutige Freiwillige. Zumindest bei den Sturmgruppen, wie im Titel steht. Die Sturmgruppen hatten die Aufgabe, unter Inkaufnahme des konzentrierten Abwehrfeuers des Bomberpulks ganz dicht an die Bomber ranzufliegen, und erst auf kurze Distanz das Feuer zu eröffnen. Dazu waren deren FW190 zusätzlich schwer gepanzert worden, was deren Flugleistungen im Vergleich zur Normalversion stark beeinträchtigte. Daher wurden für die Sturmgruppen extra Abwehrjägereinheiten bereitgestellt, welche die Verteidigungsjäger der Bomber beschäftigten, damit die Sturmgruppen überhaupt eine Chance hatten, an die Bomber heranzukommen, selbst Rammaktionen waren nicht ausgeschlossen. Der deutsche Begleitschutz soll wohl erstklassig gewesen sein, habe ich gelesen. Der Mut der damals notwendig war, kann man sich heute kaum vorstellen.

@VypeFX

3 жыл бұрын

@@seitenwind7940 Toll zusammengefasst!

@stefanmuller4665

3 жыл бұрын

@@seitenwind7940 Wow, dass die extra FW190 dafür ausgerüstet haben, die sich an die Pötte ran gemacht haben, wusste ich nicht (vielen Dank), habe ich so auch nicht in den Büchern von Adolf Galland oder anderen Autoren gelesen. Macht aber sicher Sinn und das man dann einen Jagschutz benötigt, der sich u.a. mit den Mustangs "beschäftigt" ist auch logisch, sonst gibts ein Tontaubenschiessen auf die weniger wendigen FW190er. Mut und vor allem Wut auf die Angreifer war wohl gleichermaßen nötig!

This footage is in slow motion. Speed it up to 2x and you will see what it was really like. Also, the fighters only had about 15 seconds of ammo. Count it out. They shoot their load then have to land and refuel and re-arm.

One of my Uncles was a waist gunner on a B24. The only thing he told me was he never figured out how he managed to get through the war.

I'm genuinely surprised at how close some of these fighters got. That takes guts. You think with guys in those B-17s with .50cals, they would not have got away with it. At 4:37, im sure he is using the rudder to rake that plane.

@BatMan-xr8gg

3 жыл бұрын

I think you are right about using the rudder. It does look like that.

@brokenlemon9229

3 жыл бұрын

If u notice , the tails guns stopped moving in some clips. That only means one thing dawg..

@pouletbidule9831

3 жыл бұрын

@@brokenlemon9229 could mean malfunction, out of ammo, or injured crew. It's not always death

@razelhamnirif

2 жыл бұрын

You are spot on about the rudder. He found the y-axis sweet spot on engine 3 and just went to town.

Interesting yet hard to watch. The film is a testament to the bravery of the crewmembers.

@cxjeter

4 жыл бұрын

Yes 30mm rounds going thur that thin skin

I can't image. Dog fights are maddening, dude. We thrust ourselves beyond our humanity; out of our element and then battle there. I want to elaborate more on man's gift of ascension, as well as his folly, but I'll leave it at that. War is astonishing and horrific all the same.

Seeing as the fuselages of B-17's and B-24's were little more than hollow tubes, a bit like a railway carriage, and made of quite thin material, imagine yourself sat in one of these as several hundred 20mm and 30mm rounds tore through the aircraft, and bear in mind many of these aircrew were little more than teenagers

@davetorre1694

3 жыл бұрын

No, I can't; must have been terrifying.

I am left wondering what happened to these guys- on both sides. Pray God that the survivors and killed all may rest in peace. I read an account by a USAAF gunner- to the effect that the 30mm cannons on the ME 109G outranged -and outgunned- the 0.50 inch/ 14.5 mm machine guns mounted no the writer's B17. He described the flash from the cannons well out of the range of his own weapons and waiting for the impact of the 30 mm shells. Which are much more substantial than a 14.5 mm round ( =which itself is no slouch)

@GeorgHaeder

4 жыл бұрын

The names mentioned in the video: Uffz. Maximowitz, KiA 20 April 1945 Uffz. Vivroux, WiA 6 October 1944, died 25 October 1944 Lt. Gerth, KiA 2 November 1944 Major Hackl, survived the war and died 9 July 1984 Lt. Schrangel, survived the war. Hptm. Wangner, KiA 27 June 1944

@PlaneEasy

4 жыл бұрын

Thoughtful reply Ron. It's my impression USAAF .50 cal had every bit of the range (even more) and flatter trajectory of the opposing 20 & 30 mm's, but with far less effect. 20mm and 30mm's w/ comparable range & trajectory to the 50cals would be too heavy, bulky, and w/ excessive recoil to be fitted on light weight BF109's & FW190's. The lesser velocity 20's & 30's were ideal though for close range action where these fighters were most effective. They would first dash through a formation (which was hugely risky) hope to cripple something with their big calibers (and not sit there getting chewed up by combined formation supporting fire), and the come back and finish off their targets (as we see in many of these clips) as they fell out of formation from the first dash attack.

@alejandrocasalegno1657

4 жыл бұрын

0.50 inch is 12.70 MM...................14.5 MM is a russian caliber!!!

@markelalagoz8481

4 жыл бұрын

Ron Ti My friend .50 caliber is 12.7 mm not 14.5 mm .14.5 was a Soviet caliber

@ronti2492

4 жыл бұрын

@@markelalagoz8481 Dear Markal aghhhhh. ...you are right, my Bad. Thankyou for your kind reply. This will teach me not to convert callibres- if its "50 cal", it should stay, 50 cal....

Wunderbar!

Anybody else noticed the Foo fighter coming in at a about 4.21 it comes in from right to left and is not a piece of debris. It clearly comes in from above and then right by the left side of the German fighter.

To those only doing what was asked of your country's government. I salute you in the highest respect. Following gruesome orders for what ever your beliefs are is a huge commitment and deserves respect of your dedication. You taught us the rights and wrongs of war even though war is wrong regardless. May you rest in peace.

Heldenhafter Kampf gegen einen Überlegenen Gegner! Hochachtung!

@SThad063

4 жыл бұрын

Ich weiss nicht!

@sanotschi5204

4 жыл бұрын

ist trotzdem scheiße gewesen der ww2

@maddoc68

4 жыл бұрын

So war es!

@barfuss2007

3 жыл бұрын

@Model Cars leider ein heldenhafter Kampf für ein Regime, das Kinder vergast hat, neben vielen anderen unfassbaren Kriegsverbrechen, übrigens auch am Deutschen Volk.

@maddoc68

3 жыл бұрын

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Everyone look at 4:18 to 4:24. I think I see a foo fighter. What do you think? It doesn’t look like a tracer but I guess I have very little reference.

@JonathanVanHornsoundjon

4 жыл бұрын

Legendary it's very obvious, I think it's gotta be a tracer coming from a plane attacking head on, maybe a ricochet? I totally noticed it the first time I saw it and thought it was quite strange, it might be a flare as well?

@zombywoof1072

4 жыл бұрын

My guess is: a rocket fired by another Me-110 attacking from another quarter. These films were shot overcranked (slow motion) and the rockets were slow. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werfer-Granate_21

My wife's uncle, whom she never knew, was a ball turret gunner on a B-17. He went down in '44. RIP Uncle Ralph Ognebene.

I got in a B17 once at an air museum. I grabbed the aluminium side and Thought, THIS SURE AINT GONNA SLOW DOWN 20mm SHELLS. I felt so sorry for those aircrew men of WW2. Those canon shells would cut through that fuselage like hot knife through butter.