1800HP 3.5L Dart 2JZ Engine Teardown, And What We Learned.
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
It's been a real treat being able to test this new era of 2JZ blocks by Dart, especially with such a wild combination like the 96mm stroker setup we used. While the engine was running well, we wanted to take the chance to tear into it and see how the individual parts were holding up. This brought us some valuable insight as to how these parts work with one another, and where theres room to improve.
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These videos don't hit the same without Jay doing them
@hobmedia-houseofboost793
Күн бұрын
10000%
1800 on an OEM sump and steel rods is nuts ... the fact it didn't grenade is testament of how good that block is. Push it down to 1300 HP and that setup would last forever. Else dry sump.
@francisbeaudry8598
8 күн бұрын
and dis is design 30 year a go to
@FELiPES101
8 күн бұрын
@@francisbeaudry8598 its a brand new aftermarket block bro
@mbdulka
8 күн бұрын
@@francisbeaudry8598 Dart upgraded their design ...
@turbostyler
8 күн бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking. 1300 on e85 all day every day would be a long lasting motor. Also drop the rpm a bit and a smaller turbo would be a stout combo.
@2seep
8 күн бұрын
Because it revs high. So you don’t need that much torque to make as much horsepower. So cylinder pressures are lower. Horsepower = torque x rpm/5252.
You've tried the longest stroke. Now try a shorter stroke with aluninum rods, a dry sump, o ring block and see how much HP you can make!
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
I love this :)
@ArthurSperotto
Күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance New SMX killer? O.O
Shorter titanium rods with the same thickness wrist pins as before. Smooth out valve reliefs/ crowns / sharp edges on the tops of the pistons to prevent detonation and improve flow. Balance the pistons and ceramic coat them to keep the heat out. Dry sump oil system, with a larger capacity oil pan if you don't already have one. O ringed block with the strongest headstuds available for more clamping force and less probability for bolt stretching. Compound twin scroll turbo set up or the newest style precision turbo twin scroll with a shot of nitrous for spool. Paired to a vvti cnc ported flowed and tested head. Water to air intercooler or maybe some sort of interchiller setup.
@rvarsigfusson6163
4 күн бұрын
Take me to the moon and let me be along the stars. A way too much but why not!
Don’t wanna hear no b58 comparisons until I see them hit these numbers w/o a billet block.
STEEL ROD @ 2000+HP Is what we all want to see next!
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Letsss goooo!
What happen to Jay? I think you should let us know something!
@rleojeda
8 күн бұрын
Definitely not the same
@yordanbatista8983
8 күн бұрын
yea, where is Jay
@804MRMAN
6 күн бұрын
Isn't Real Streets his company? Maybe he stepped to the side
Once I went aluminum rods I’ve never looked back. All my main cap saddle issues got better, main bearing wear phenomenal, along with rods, just everything got better wayyyyyy less fretting everywhere.
@ryannudd4200
Күн бұрын
What power are you making and do you have a number of hits on those rods that you changing them out for a new set?
*The comment section is undefeated. They see a 1800 hp block perform well, and the next thing they say is "MO POWAH, I'M NOT SATISFIED"*
@tonymiller6255
6 күн бұрын
Half of these people don't understand some of the basics lol 😆
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
More boost baby!
@804MRMAN
5 күн бұрын
@@tonymiller6255 You are correct lol
@804MRMAN
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance Lol. I agree. But most people never seen, built, nor drove anything over 15psi of boost
@rvarsigfusson6163
4 күн бұрын
@@804MRMAN The newer diesels are using some 17.5 psi
6:20 Is that heat? Oh those heat marks? -two Marks just talking about marks
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
lol
Brother eewww what’s that? on the ryobi 😂
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
lol
You still amaze me with the wrench turning skills. A must when building and inspection of mechanical’s platforms wish someone would teach the general engine builder ❤❤❤❤
These are just awesome, love it
it looks so simple im impressed
I'm waiting for compound setup and cramming as much boost as possible to test deck strength, sealing properties and main caps, main webbing strength.
5:00 hy GRO scopic not hydroscopic .... substance that absorbs water. Same as brake fluid.
@markconte1513
8 күн бұрын
Thank you for the correction!
@nismofreak33
8 күн бұрын
dw i say it wrong all the time too 😂
@ToprankImporters
3 күн бұрын
People say this wrong all the time since people think hydro=water
Thank you for these informative videos.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
Also, locally in Australia, I have a customer doing 2300+ on steel rods.. Pb 6.85@ 205 rx7 2jz...it does laps
@chuxshed587
8 күн бұрын
With a Dart block?
@Thewhat101
8 күн бұрын
@@chuxshed587 no, bullet.
@rvarsigfusson6163
4 күн бұрын
What is BARRA doing with original block and then machined new one
I’d imagine an aluminum rod would solve the scuffing of the rod bearings due to less weight or at least reduce it. I like Kelford also. Great company.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Would definitely help. Yes they're great guys with an awesome line up of parts.
THANKS FOR SHARING GREAT INFO AND INTEL
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
2000hp 3.0L crank with steel rods!!
I want to see a 3.0 block/ dry sump with a setup that pushes a ton of torque early in the rpm range. 8.5 - 9k rpm endurance motor kinda deal.
Now let's see a max effort aluminum rod 3.2 build 10k rpm and crack that 2000hp mark easy
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Love that high rpm!
was kind of surprised when I didn't see you all do fire rings or a drysump for that matter. interesting to see this build
Future build could you guys do 90mm crank,aluminum rods,2500 hp RealStreet pistons,stage 5 Mazworx head?
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Thats a good combo there!
@Final_Boss_Racing
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance that’s what’s going into my car thanks to your guys help!!
Came back for a second comment…I say titanium rods and see how they hold up to higher boost and rpm. Aluminum rods for a race build yea but seeing how high you can go with titanium would be MUCH more informative and cool as far as video content goes. Nobodys really done that. There are TONS of aluminum rod race builds. Let’s move on to something cooler💯😂
@Thewhat101
5 күн бұрын
@@mikelmarion just go back 40 years to F1.. pretty much every turbo engine had ti rods. Bar the hart 415t
Just need more and better oiling at that power level. Time to go to 2500hp level to test that block.
it would be nice to see a 2jz build for maximum low end torque and power. lot of builds are just max top end horsepower and it doesn't come alive until 5,000 rpm. how about a twin scroll, vvt, stroker, air to liquid intercooler?
@gnxtacy
8 күн бұрын
That’s what I’m talking about, a real street car!
@JohnBrown-vn2qw
8 күн бұрын
@@gnxtacy im saving my pennies. my goal is 600 to 700 rwhp. but i want it to start the party soon as possible
Great breakdown
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! We appreciate you watching.
@Final_Boss_Racing
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance wouldn’t miss it!!
7:40 they even tuned the oil pan to the music 😁
Go for the -4 nitrous shot on top of the boost
What a beautiful example of under hood jewelry. Great build.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Thank you!
Test it with VP M5 that’s what is used from the fastest 2jz
Perhaps keep current stroke but with lighter rods and E85 for a road legal build. Then an intercooler and dry sump.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Ligher rods would be good! This setup already runs E85, but One Ethanol R Race E85. We do have an intercooler on this setup, but it is tucked up above rather than in front . Dry Sump for the win!!
Put Madison, WI on those power tools and when someone says "Get Milwaukee" you can say, "Ehh, close enough."
just amazing ....question you using stock toy toy oil filter ??
This is low key ASMR lol
I know this channel is allllll about 2jz, but would you guys bless us with an N54 build since you work on the new BMWs (supras). Lol pleeeease I'm a long time subscriber.
1. Wiseco Boostline Rods, Mahle Pistons, King rod and main bearings, OEM crank, PH Oil pump or 2. High RPM, All motor, stroker 2jz with ITBs. full built head, big cams, light weight rods and piston, high compression, knife edge OEM crank, Light weight fly wheel and 6 to 1 equal length headers.
@OctavChelaru
6 күн бұрын
So, broke with a lot of torque or a lot of rpm? User choice, I suppose.
@hummer1750
6 күн бұрын
@@OctavChelaru Both would be nice! You have the torque at any rpm, plus the 9600 rpm. The balance would need to be perfect to have it survive. Having a 6 to1 equal length headers would definitely change the engine nature. Would be an absolute time attack car, in the right light weight chassis.
@OctavChelaru
6 күн бұрын
@@hummer1750 Of course, only the NA build sounds like a dream money no object obsession project since power/weight ratio with the iron block wouldn't be anything to write home about and if you move the powerband so high you won't have much down low and early mid. Stroke is already not rpm friendly at 86mm, stroker crank will only make it harder to spin 9600 reliably, that's a lot. Maybe better off with a lightly modified S54 at a fraction of the price if revs and response are your cup of tea. Would certaintly scream though and get people talking :)
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
We would love to do a Nitro ITB 2JZ !!
@hummer1750
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance This would be the perfect build for an NA 2JZ!!
If you guys ever get the chance, please do this for the aftermarket EJ's whenever they come out. I believe Crest CNC and IAG are both developing one. My dream for a destroked EJ25 is slowly coming to life:)
@MING26
8 күн бұрын
EJ motors are boat anchors ⚓ , Don't waste your time or money on those piece of junk ... I've blown up several built EJ motors 👎
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
We would love to do some EJ stuff in the future!
@RandomlnternetGuy
5 күн бұрын
@MING26 did you miss the part where I said "AFTERMARKET". As in redesigned cast block that addresses all the weak points of the EJ's. That's what I was talking about. EJ's can't handle big power for as long as other platforms. But I'd love to see a breakdown between a Subaru EJ and an IAG/Crest EJ.
Tomei baffle in would be cool to see. Also run that same combo on pump gas just to see what it could max out at
@tonymiller6255
6 күн бұрын
Pump gason 10:1 doesn't go very far
Would be cool if Dart offered a 6 bolt block and head package.
I would like to see a 2j 86mm crank and long rod
If money is no object. I would def have a built 2JZ from you guys and PRP to build me the RB26 to put them into daily street R34 & Supra.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
PRP is doing some awesome stuff!
i deserve a t shirt or sticker pack lol
@realstreetperformance
8 күн бұрын
Next time you stop in, or place an order, ask us for some free goodies, and we'll include a special stickers and trinkets!
Test Presicion Next Gen XPR 9103
Decrease the bore on these custom iron blocks and make the cylinder walls thicker.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
This one in particular is very large bore for a typical 2jz. So far the cylinders have been doing well at this power level. More wall thickness would be stronger!
💪
Milwookie getting it done
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
"A long time ago... In a machine far far away..." Hahaha
@stringyGG
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance 🤣🤣
Do a 3.0 that rev's to the moon 🚀
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
I like that idea. 10,000 rpm!
You should try Line2Line coating on the pistons.
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
I think that could help, but the root of the wear starts with the piston coming so far down below the cylinder.
Do titanium rods!!!!
I would like to see a stock crank with CP pistons and manly H Tuff rods ACL bearings and put some boosts to it to see how far it can go
@tonymiller6255
6 күн бұрын
Stock crank does funky stuff to the bearings at 1k whp no need to go further
@tonymiller6255
6 күн бұрын
Dlc coating si sweet until it flakes off and sandblasts all your bearings lol
@tonymiller6255
6 күн бұрын
Dlc coating si sweet until it flakes off and sandblasts all your bearings lol
@darranbrown7504
5 күн бұрын
@@tonymiller6255did that happened to you before
why not the BC0303 280/11.48mm cams?
I expected to see aluminum rods in there at that power level.
I would like to know how the oil film got compromised, if its just because of the high load on the piston due to the power you guys are making, or it has something to do the the bearing clearance, do you need to go higher or lower on the clearances?
@Thewhat101
5 күн бұрын
@@ver.motorsports to me it looks like the big end housing is a noodle..lots of movement evident at the parting line. Remember we saw the same ware pattern in that land speed engine, with the same rods.
How much would it roughly be to buy this exact build?👀 I don't seriously race. But I do like to have a project car to stay busy and out of trouble
R&R Aluminum Rods or BC titanium Rods
@nNataXx
8 күн бұрын
With a compound turbo setup 🔥
Where’s Jay at? He should be the one doing this
Cool, were the camshaft lobes also DLC treated?
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Not the cams, these are off the shelf non coated BC cams. Working really well!
Hey man I want one how much would it cost me
Do you say compromised oil film because of the wet sump? Is the headgasket just a MLS with copper spray on it?
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
That was likely part of the reason the oil film became compromised. Yes MLS with copper spray.
What do you guys think of the line2line coating for piston skirts?
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
We've done that on a few engines that needed to close down on P2W clearance and they've worked really well.
yooooooooooooooooooo
compound turbo
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Love it
I am just a "guest-watcher" of this channel; very nice engine! But for what reason is it running with that long stroke?
@somerandoonline5852
7 күн бұрын
im guessing abuse the block as much as possible to see how it reacts
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
This block came to us already at its "max" bore of 88mm. We decided to also pair it with the "max" stroke possible to try and make a large 2JZ engine. The result was this 3.5L. Next, I think we'll mix it up :)
Y'all frick the tools, there's a compound turbo SR that needs roller rockers. What other priorities?
Let me know if you ever wanted to throw the parts away i got a skip bin Thanks,
Just out of interest? Do you guys do per cylinder fuel trim on a setup like this?
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Great question, yes we do! Being able to monitor things like EGTs make cylinder trimming relatively easy . We highly recommend applying that to any race program.
Hygroscopic. Not hydroscopic ;) what a motor. 💪😈 fuckin dope.
Dry sump it and lets see it do over 2k hp
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Time to let it eat!
Is Jay no longer with Real St.?
@yerielvarela2405
8 күн бұрын
And Geo?
@7275vrt
8 күн бұрын
Jay owns it
@dennismelville7532
8 күн бұрын
@yerielvarela2405 Isn't he over with the Real Tactical shop?
@kainpepe3595
8 күн бұрын
@@7275vrt yeah, but i wonder he is not active anymore in building engine and in the real st. Website he is not in the picture 🤔🤔
@Bill-flatplanefool
8 күн бұрын
Jay does what he wants…
Never knew ppl used 2ZZ buckets in 2Js
@Bondangoed
8 күн бұрын
Yeah previously the only drop in when doing a shimless conversion was 2zz...
@loganamurray64
8 күн бұрын
@@Bondangoed Did they use the 2ZZ's shim-under-bucket (valve stem cap) design too?
@jakeastwood6939
8 күн бұрын
@@loganamurray64 the 2ZZ buckets are a single piece with the shim built into the underside of the bucket.
@Bondangoed
8 күн бұрын
@@loganamurray64 1zz also, before these engines 1zz 2zz came about we used a bucket from a yamaha fzr bike but it required some machining
1:30 ... Yeah...pretty sure everyone knows ONLY Milwaukee and Snap-on can loosen nuts and bolts... it's common knowledge
Cool. Now put it back together, and sit it at 800 HP for 5 mins straight... Proper endurance test. Assuming the dyno has the cooling capacity to di it
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
I like the way that sounds. Lets do it!
@Thewhat101
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance if they managed to do a full 24 hr race, group C , at MORE power, should be a walk in the park🤌. Plus, who doesn't like watching HP. Endurance tests are where it's at, "real horsepower".. 👌
Ryobi tools? Sorry just had to bring that up lol
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Lol, still works well
@ToprankImporters
3 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformancecheap, easy to find, batteries at most Home Improvement stores. I like the Ryobi stuff.
Mark looks like he is in his 60's with that beard ...
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
Gandalf beard coming soon.
@ACommenterOnYouTube
5 күн бұрын
@@realstreetperformance 🤣
Is there a reason to use a 2jz in drag racing over a v8? The v8s hold up to drag racing better dont they?
@ACommenterOnYouTube
8 күн бұрын
Because the 2JZ can do 2000 hp ... How many V8's can do 2000 hp ???
@corystansbury
7 күн бұрын
@@ACommenterOnKZread Pretty much all of them can? My answer would be "because they want to" Seriously, there are more than 10 engine families where horsepower is largely a wallet-based affair. Build what you like.
@ACommenterOnYouTube
7 күн бұрын
@@corystansbury All of them "can" ... i have yet to see any.
@corystansbury
7 күн бұрын
@@ACommenterOnKZread You have not seen any V8s make 2000 HP? Really?
@ACommenterOnYouTube
7 күн бұрын
@@corystansbury NO .... not in person at all ever. Frankly never seen any over 1000 hp in person, all are in the 800 ish hp area.
The eagle needs a hawk thua and it gets like new. 🤣
@realstreetperformance
5 күн бұрын
hahahah
10.37 --> "given that we were using a steal rod and heavy pin and heavy piston on a compromised oil film all at high engine speed this falls in line with what we expected". lol = we were expecting bearing wear wtf
🇦🇬 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. 🙇🏾♂️
i don't understand why everyone in the rb world needs to convert cam cap fasteners to aftermarket studs when these guys use oem-like fasteners???
*inhale nose whistle* Who is making heads?
I'd like to see Dart make a B58 block.
@gnxtacy
8 күн бұрын
I’d like to see a 4.0L ford barra block from dart!
Aluminum rods diamond pistons.
@ammoking6099
5 күн бұрын
Or titanium rods
Milwaukee meat glazer brand loyalists are so annoying. Imagine constantly arguing for a brand that doesn't know you or give a shit about you.
1800 hp on an oem timing belt. Theres no point in aftermarket
The music ruined your show ! It's fvcked ! Just don't put music on the show please ! It's disastrous... I had to stop watching.
12:32 what rod ratio are you guys seeing with this bore/stroke and rod length? Awesome content.
@PistonAvatarGuy
8 күн бұрын
1.43? Stock rod is 142, minus 5 mm for a 96 mm stroker crank. Pretty short. I don't know if the wrist pin is in the stock location, sometimes they move them up on the piston to get a longer rod.
@shutupplay7502
8 күн бұрын
@@PistonAvatarGuy yeah it looked pretty belowed the oil rings, they used the honda rod journal also, was wondering because they mention the scuffing in the lower piston skirts. thank you brother.
@nNataXx
8 күн бұрын
96mm stroke and 142mm rod length : Rod ratio = 1.479 Rod angle = 71.3° Mean piston speed @ 8100 rpm = 25.92 m/s or 5102 fpm
@PistonAvatarGuy
8 күн бұрын
@@nNataXx They maintain the stock rod length?
@nNataXx
8 күн бұрын
@@PistonAvatarGuy Yep, 142mm rod is the OE length, you can see the specs on the Brian Crower website