Pretty sure that Chaplains are veterans, not the same as fresh battle brothers as they are part of company command as well as techmarines and apothecaries

@nutbug445

Жыл бұрын

Chaplain is a standard rank, the higher ones are the Reclusiarch or also known as Senior Chaplains

@attemptedunkindness3632

Жыл бұрын

@@nutbug445 There are always the exceptions. Black Templar? They get Sword Brethren to stop and salute regular Chaplains. Raven Guard? That Reclusiarch better step aside for that regular Apothecary coming down the hall, because that post-human nurse outranks his Lorgar-loving ass. Iron Hands? Let's just be real honest, a tech priest is a Chaplain and Apothecary rolled in one with those guys, basically outranks a captain at that point.

@lachlanmacrae1779

Жыл бұрын

One induction process requires a Primaris marine to become a Judiciar, A battle brother who takes an oath of silence and wields two powerful relics: and executioner blade, and a Tempormotis. Judiciar's are prohibited from speaking any litanies until they perform worthy acts of zeal for "One cannot simply speak litanies, Judiciars must live in their words on the battlefield before they earn the right to speak them."

@nathanaelotero9700

Жыл бұрын

@@lachlanmacrae1779 so judicars are chaplains in training for Primaris? I didn’t know that and it’s kinda cool. So what about firstborn?

@JABelms

Жыл бұрын

@@attemptedunkindness3632 "Exceptions"=Codex Uncompliant chapters=a waste of time to cover with the amount of variation there are

I remember reading that chaplains are of relatively high ranking, with every companies' chaplain's word being second to it's Captain. This is similar with Apothecaries, Tech-Marines, and Librarians, with them being being technically lower ranking than a sergeant, but also possessing authorities that match members of high ranking positions.

@petequinn3511

Жыл бұрын

You mean like the old army saying of "Sir, don't confuse your rank with my authority in this matter"?

@attemptedunkindness3632

Жыл бұрын

@@petequinn3511 Situational authority always trumps assigned authority. A grizzly bear locked in a small room with the President is always going to have superior situational authority on any matter in that situation, even Presidential ones. A sole exception to this would be President Theodore Roosevelt, who when confronted with a bear _made a fucking pet out of it_ The man is just built different.

@flaviomonteiro1414

Жыл бұрын

​@@attemptedunkindness3632 Roosevelt is one of the lost Primarchs.

@Joeseph113

Жыл бұрын

This is correct. All of the lowest rank chaplains and Librarians are considered the lowest rank of space marine officer and both advise their lieutenants and captains. They outrank sergeants. Basic tech marines and apothacaries are like warrant officers, they are not considered command officers but are specialists. Reclusiarchs, Epistolaries, Forge Masters and Master Apothacaries are only outranked by captains and above. Dreadnaughts do not have a rank per say, but all are respected by every level of space marine from the chapter master down.

@IamZeus1100

Жыл бұрын

Billet over rank is what we called similar things in the military . Or like how any officer , even an O-1 out ranks any Chief warrant officer (CWO) . But when a CWO speaks , everyone listens because they’re an expert on what they’re talking about

Recruit: Hello, I am new and I was told I should find someone who will teach me the principles of stealth here at the Ravenspire. Raven Guard Veteran: Listen kid, stick around long enough you're either going to become invisible because you're good, or invisible because you're dead. Keep stepping. Raven Guard Lieutenant: Who are you? FFS do I look like I want to lead you let alone want to wear this "please shoot me now" helmet? The dead have nothing to teach. Raven Guard Captain: Did one of my Lt.'s send you? Throne, they just do whatever they want to do... do you want to be a lieutenant? You seem useful. Kayvaan Shrike: I swear the next Black Library release that has us in it is going to have us slain to a man by Chaos Ratlings... wait, who are you? Recruit, sobbing: I... I just want to learn stealth... Kayvaan Shrike: WELL YOU'RE SUCKING AT IT NOW AINT YOU YA CRYBABY, I'D SEND YOU TO THE DEATHWATCH BUT THEY AT LEAST HAVE PLOT ARMOR Raven Guard Veteran, in hiding: _amateur_

@Alam_Eldin_Ali

Жыл бұрын

Look, I'm new to Warhammer 40k, would you kindly explain the joke to me?

@attemptedunkindness3632

Жыл бұрын

@@Alam_Eldin_Ali It's a "The nail that stands out gets hammered down" kinda joke. Raven Guard are well known sneaksters, and if you ever worked at a place with tremendous culture it quickly dawns on most that they should lay low and get a sense before trying to rock a boat that will upset the captain.

Unless things have changed, aspirants went into the scout companies before becoming full battle brothers. Using the First Born hierarchy, they would have to serve some many years in the Assault and Devastator companies before being inducted into the Tactical companies.

@flaviomonteiro1414

Жыл бұрын

I still doesn't understand Primaris ranking recruitment and training...

@SordidusFellatio

Жыл бұрын

True that, I was wondering why he didnt even include the Scout, they’re even in the DoW game ffs 😂

@vake1234

Жыл бұрын

@@SordidusFellatio 2 reasons first: they were fully trained despite their lack of experience. seconds; the empire needet Soldier/warriors, not scouts. secret third: space wolves do it like that.

This is all very dependent on chapter to chapter and while you can base this on chapters that follow the Codex Astartes, Chaplains are part of the command structure not simply fresh astartes right after augmentation. This generally goes for Librarians as well. On the table top Apothecary, Techmarine, Librarian and Chaplain are considered HQ units. Apothecary's and Techmarines generally under go more training one as a medic the other under the Mechanicum. I believe they have had their mettle tested before they are trained in those skills though.

@Nostroman_Praetor

Жыл бұрын

Grey Knight Apothecaries and Techmarines are overqualified af

@cupsofeagles1493

Жыл бұрын

Apothecarys are elites

@tengkualiff

Жыл бұрын

I'd go with tabletop rules on this one because its more consistent. Lore-wise, it gets jumbled up when you consider even codex compliant ones may have a unique structure.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the specialty positions such as Chaplains or Apothecaries are of higher rank than a standard battle brother.

@teemuvayrynen1298

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. This channel is known for lot of not-so-accurate lore...

Apothecary and Chaplain are both in officer hierarchy, and even can command other brothers. Read official wiki and Lexicanum.

@ravanpee1325

Жыл бұрын

Also Apothecary and Chaplains are also both Veterans at the same time per definition

@NameName2.0

Жыл бұрын

Literally in their "LEADER" profile on their Data sheets, they can "LEAD" troops, like, bro.

Chaplains are amongst the command staff of a chapter. Same for librarians/apothecaries. They’re in the same regards as veterans at a minimum

I was bout to say that the Primarh is also a huge part of the chapter, but we had the same Idea as you put them on 0. Great video!

I think the main thing is knowing that there is a difference between "rank", and "role". Specialists like apothecary, techmarine, chaplain, even librarian are roles, but they can have their own rank structure separate from traditional battle brothers. And instead of reporting to an officer in one of the 10 companies in a chapter, they might report directly to higher ranks in their own structure, or "chapter command", which is where the chapter master and his honor guard are. Another thing is the idea of "veteran" being a rank, when it's more like a service record. Everyone knows that 1st company are all veteran status astartes, but it doesn't mean that there can't be veteran astartes and sergeants throughout the companies here and there. Usually a company command squad will have a few veterans, along with a champion and ancient being a veteran as well. Remember that every champion, ancient, sergeant (and other officers) are likely veterans, but not all veterans are those. It's just not a "rank" per say.

I always wondered this, thank you

Chaplains are no joke they hit on twos!

Thank you for this videos!

before lieutenants were added, chaplains were the second in command of a space marine company, a demi company, which was the main way a company was organised for battle would either be lead by a chaplain or a captain. so saying they were the same rank as a bog standard marine is plain wrong... i mean theres a reason chaplains, librarians and captains are HQ units in the game and always have been and sergeants are just models with an extra point of leadership. as a huge marine fan and player for the last 25 years there was so much wrong with this video

There were other ranks back in the day. Having played from the beginning back in the days of RT (or the book forged with the worst binding EVER) I still use those ranks.

As far as my memory takes me into the past, the order of ranks for me is this! Battle Brother Corporal Sergant Lieutenant Captain Commander Marshal Primark And the battle brothers of the first are all veteran sergants who can command in the other companies And all "specialists" are basically sergeants before they are divided into individual ranks where they also have their own ranks after training and promotion e.g. Lexicanum Codifier Scriptor Magister with famous exceptions like Ragnar Blackmane a lot has changed in almost 40 years??? But I don't play anymore, I just collect and paint for my R O C Army ;)

When you order a 15 ranks in a Space Marine hierarchy off wish

iirc, apothecaries and chaplains outrank standard battle brothers. Chaplains could also be second in command if there is a captain. Im not sure though. I think techmarines also fit as these 3 are specialists in a way and apothecaries and chaplains are officers i think too.

Nice job.

Chaplains are of senior rank and frequently lead actions, e.g. Grimaldus.

@chaiinz

Жыл бұрын

Grimaldus rocks

@Neyreyan

Жыл бұрын

Grimaldus is a reclusiarch and it is in a much bigger company than the codex allows it so obviously its a much higher rank and the space marines respect it

I ike your vids a lot.THX

I literally have a figurine from 4:57 standing on my table rn, feelsgoodman

lexicanuim and chaplain are high in the command, under lieutenants, higher than veteran-seagent

It doesn’t make sense to me to have the champions so low ranked if they are really the strongest in the chapter. No idea about the lore, just an opinion.

@Or_Am_I_Alpharius

Жыл бұрын

Or the company/chapter ancients. Captains and Chapter Masters highly value their opinions. I don’t think the guy made a very accurate or very good video representation the positions of the chapter. That being said, I do not agree with him.

@artnull13

Жыл бұрын

Yeah well this video is just incorrect in many places

I would say that the specialist branches have a rank = the 1st company, and not the line brothers. If so the librarian pilot would be with a first company private and millibrarian sergeant would be with a first company sergeant and so on. This also explains the master's position which is the same rank as the first captain. The for want of a better term staff officers of the chapter master and the captains also need to generally be bumped up a rank compared to where you put them. So a company banner bearer has equal standing to a sergeant and the company champion has equal standing to a veteran sergeant. The chapter ancient and champion have ranked equivalent to a lieutenant and a captain respectively. Other than those two sets of understanding of the rank gained by non direct chain of,nd you got it pretty good.

The Furious Abyss was 1 of 3 massive battleships built by the dark mechanicus for Lorgar in secret for an assault of MaCragge by Admiral Zakiel of the Word Bearers at the beginning of the Heresy, these 3 battleships were larger than Gloriana class vessels and mounted a plasma cannon big enough to 1 shot a small fleet, it was the only vessel known to have torpedo bays and flight hangers.

Can you do the other armies’ ranks?

can I ask where does a "Force Commander" place in all this?

this guy just fully made this up in his head without any actual evidence

Hello, noob here - can someone explain where the Judicar slots in here? Thank you :)

that veteran sergeant you were showing was just a sergeant also that lieutenant is a captain in gravis armor

Also Pretty sure apothecaries like chaplains have a lot more rank, and unless your a helix adept (apothecary in training), an apothecary is most definitely veterans....

Could you please explain who wears what helmet? Like I know some wear white or red helmets while some wear those awesome skull ones. I know these are based on their position but thats all I know.

@armchairgeneral7363

10 ай бұрын

Sergeants wear red helmets, chaplains wear skulls, and apothecaries occasionally wear white. And the Blood Angels throw nearly everything out of the window because helmet = combat role

i hope you cover the Imperial guards

I am pretty sure that chaplains are veterans who are only outranked by the company captains.

Never understood why (at least in the Horus Heresy books) companies and chapters are both lead by captains, and there seems to be no mention of Lieutenants at all. It would make more sense if companies were lead by lieutenants and chapters by captains.

@ravanpee1325

Жыл бұрын

Lieutenants are mentioned in the Lexicanum under "Space Marine Legion" -> Organization " At the head of the Legion was its Primarch Commander who oversaw the Legion's headquarters. Below this were the Chapters of the Legion, each of which was commanded by a Chapter Commander. Each Chapter in turn was divided into a number of Battalions, each of which was further divided into Companies. The Company, itself divided into a number of Squads, was the basic military division of the Legio Astartes. Due to the varying sizes of each Legion, there was no fixed number of how many Chapters, Battalions, Companies, and Squads a Legion would contain" They had basically the same role as a sergeant today aka squad leader of 10-20 battle brothers in a tactical squad and 5-10 battle brothers in a support squad.

what position does a dreadnaught have in the heirarchy?

@nutbug445

Жыл бұрын

Since a dreadnought is practically a robot with a near dead veteran marine, i guess it would just be a heavy support unit, a bit above standard battle brothers for their old age and wisdom.

@boliwijskisprzedawcakapucynek

Жыл бұрын

Chapter Master Daggan of the Blood Swords chapter was a Dreadnought, and I think Bjorn was a Chapter Master of the Space Wolves for some time after becoming a Dreadnought so I guess it depends on who they were before being entombed

Can anyone tell me all the Ranks of Chaos space marines pls ?

Yeah now do Chaos ranking system!

1:51 he got a dumpy tho

My custom Chapter has another rank of Corporal, a leader of half a squad

Ok rank and Bilet are two things rank would be battle brother bilet is a basic specialist in a field outside of a general battle brother so veteran is a title not either more of a honorifics

Chaplains Are command ranks and Apothocaries are above standard battle brothers. Also missed the rank or Reclusiarch

what about Lord Commander?

“I NEED AN APOTHECARY”

Technically below everyone are the normal human servants, techpriests and even below them servitors which are lobotomized cyborgs which do all the most menial work...

Keep it up.

I thought there was a scout rank in between a neophyte and a normal astarties

I have been playing 40k on and off since 1st edition, I have loved Warhammer for over a decade and I had not heard of some of these ranks

Liutenants are the core of any marine chapter

What about the Force Commander Rank?

@Ryanduffy536

Жыл бұрын

Force commanders aren’t a standard rank when looking at normal space marine chapter rank structure force commander is a title used in situations where multiple chapters or aspects of a chapter are fighting and or operating together it basically is just the highest ranking officer who is present gets to be in charge of all the space marine forces when they are combined and working together it’s kinda like a general

@chancerobinson4378

Жыл бұрын

Ok good to know.

the one thing i wanted to learn from this video is how exactly i can recognize the different ranks. like what symbols does a captains armor show. sadly, you keep these information your secret :

@Tomato_of_Doom

Жыл бұрын

It can be VERY different from chapter to chapter. Ultramarines for example have red helmets for Sergeants, red helmets with a wide white stripe on top for Veteran Sergeants, pure white helmets for Veterans and blue helmets with a thick white stripe in the middle framed by smaller red lines. Some of these markings also changed over time, so the best source for that is the latest Space Marines codex or the supplement rules to your specific chapter (DA, BA, SW etc.)

To be fair, Apothecaries outrank EVERYONE on the battlefield.

That chaplain rank is definitely wrong. The Reclusiarch is just a leader of the chaplains. He is like what the chaptermaster is to the captains.

You are incorrect regarding the Apothecaries, Chaplains, and Techmarines. They are classed as officers and are part of the command team of the company. "An Apothecary is a specialist Firstborn and Primaris Space Marine medicae officer who possesses advanced biomedical and scientific training and who serves as a combat medic and research physician for his Chapter."

Where the Adeptus Custodes ranked at?

@nutbug445

Жыл бұрын

They are separate, they are not in the space marine chapters. They are their own organisation obeying only the emperor, but still subordinate to Primarchs and Lords of Terra.

Fun fact:the red helmet on the Sargent is a tribute to a ultramarine who was know for been the first one to emulate battle tactics again other astartes in the great crusade era,the red helmet was a censure akin to the red gloves or marks on the night lord's before they took horus side,when the Horus heresy ended the helmet become the mark of a Sargent and a mark that in the underworld war of calth was to see who was a ultramarine and not a word bearers in disguise Ps:aeonid thiel the ultramarine who literally stole the personal guns of guilliman for himself 😂

You forgot the custodes

custodes

👏👏👏!

Actual number 1: Primarch though.

where's War Master ?

How many of you came here to check he didnt fuck up? genuinely curious.

Some ‘these neuro’ black conditions, don’t work.

How about space wolf

@vake1234

Жыл бұрын

Great Wolf Wolfslord The highest priests (2 lines down named) Battle leaders (liutenants) standart priests (runepriest/libarians, Wolfspriest/Chaplain + apotecarie, Ironpriest/techmarine) Wolfguards-Packleaders Packleaders (seargens) Wolfguard Battlelines (greymane,intercessors) and Firesupport (Longfangs, hellblasters, aggressors e.c.t.) Close support (the most are Bloodclaws/neophyts)

Had to mute it and put cc on. 🙉

Lot better than your video on space marine sizes, but both this and that video show you have little knowledge of 40k and the places you are going to for research are somewhat out of date on some occasions. I understand it though, you suddenly got a f**k ton of hits to your channel from 40k stuff and want to capitalize on this. Be wary though 40k fans are ruthlessly stringent to the lore and you get it wrong they will turn around and bite you. Before you step into the 40k pool know that the fans are the apex predators and the second they smell blood in the water they will have a feeding frenzy. If your using 40k hits to boost your channel without knowing much then back out now while you learn and take some 40k fans with you before you piss them all off and get a sudden drop.

@89456100

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it is much more complex than shown in the video and many things are also wrong. Just to name a few things that can be read in the Lexicanum: 1. neopytes (scout marines) have most of the implants already, but not the black carapace. 2. specialists like Techmarines, Chaplains, Librarians or Apothecarys are officers and form a parallel structure beside the normal line organization. They are not usually commanded by line officers, but assume specific roles on the battlefield where they are attached to line troops. They have their own internal hierarchies, with the lowest ranks probably analogous to lieutenant and the highest ranks directly below chapter master (Master of the Forge, etc.). 3. company champions, veterans, sergeants etc. have a similar situation. Also their ranks are not clearly locatable to each other. In the literature it is described that sergeants are often veterans and there can be a change from a normal member of the first company to a sergeant of another company and vice versa. Only the sergeants of the first company are above those of the other companies in rank. Actually, there is only a clear line of Battlebrother, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain and Chaptermaster. For everyone else, it depends, and that's what I don't think the video makes clear. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

@WolvesHart79

Жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think most of these videos are AI generated content thrown together as quickly as possible by someone who is barely acquainted with 40k...they are riddled with errors.

@tflwulf69

Жыл бұрын

@@WolvesHart79 No the content creator got a load of hits on 40k and said lets do more of that....with little research that's out of date.

How dare you rank a Chaplain as plainly equal and below the others, wait till Chaplain Bald hears about this. (Seriously though Chaplains are unique because they arent chosen usually by rank but rather by fervoror in administrative fortitude, the Emperor himself appointed their existence to act as guides to towing the line - im more scared of the weakest chapters Chaplain ((including homebrew bc its susposed to dive deep)) than I am the strongest chapters Primaris)

Umm, dont know about your legion, but my Chaplain/Apothecary Speaker of the Dead would take your chapter master so no idea why a chaplain is ranked soo low.

Are space marines allowed to retire 🤔🤷‍♂️

The Emperor of Mankind approves and says it's not heresy to make a hundred Warhammer 40,000 action movies over the next few years.

First of all, this video is wrong from the start! Titles are divided into Ranks and Specialist Ranks. Ranks All Space Marine Chapters loosely utilize the same types of ranks. (Many non-Codex Astartes chapters, however, will often use different names for these positions): Chapter Master Captain Lieutenant Sergeant Battle-Brother Vanguard Space Marine Neophyte Graduate Specialist Ranks In addition to their standard ranks, Space Marine Chapters also maintain a variety of specialist roles: Librarian - Psyker warriors of the Chapter. Chief Librarian - The senior most Librarian of a Chapter and the commander of its Librarium. Codicier - The 2nd highest rank of Librarian Epistolary - The 3rd highest rank of Librarian Lexicanium - The rank of newly-inducted Librarians Acolytum - Librarians in training, not yet inducted into the Librarium. Chaplain - Warrior Priests of a Chapter who oversee morale, discipline, and spiritual purity. Master of Sanctity - The senior most Chaplain of a Chapter and commander of its Reclusium. Reclusiarch - Senior Chaplains Chaplain - Standard Rank Apothecary - Battlefield medical specialists charged with not only healing their comrades, but also collecting the Gene- Seed of fallen warriors. Master of the Apothecary - Senior most Apothecary and commander of their Chapter's Apothecary. Apothecary - Standard Rank Techmarine - Technology officers and engineers of a Chapter who maintain the Armory. Master of the Forge - Most senior rank who commands the Chapter Armory. Techmarine - Standard Rank Master of the Signal - Battlefield communications specialists. Chapter Ancient - Revered Standard-bearer Judiciar - Executioner who works under the Chapter Master The important thing is that the Standard Rank of specialists is the lowest rank among SPECIALISTS and not the standard rank in the Order. Codex describe that, for example, to become a Chaplain student you must be a respected veteran at a minimum. And at the same time it becomes Neophyte but in the Chaplain structure. Naturally, such a Neophyte is not equal to the newly recruited Neophyte scout. In a huge number of Astartes Chapters, ranks and rank of Specialists may vary greatly or be absent altogether (for example, Dark Templars do not have Librarians)

do space marines get surgery to become taller when they rise in rank?

@nutbug445

Жыл бұрын

Only if they want to upgrade to Primaris standards

Primarch is not a rank but a statue. A Rank is a reachable for all space marine not Primarch.

Battlebrothers would not be privates. Scouts and Neophytes would not even be all privates.

for the emperor ✊🏼🩸

Don’t even try with dark angels

Decent Primer Lot a Too Simple Blocky Framing

👍👍👍❤❤❤

Mindq

Title: 15 Ranks in a Space Marine Heirarchy* *It's spelled "hierarchy" not "heirarchy".

reclusiarch wasn't mentioned

noti gang gang

Yeah.. this doesn't fit the might DA

BY THE GLORY OF THE EMPEROR, IT'S ACCURATE!!!!!!

@jarubyjane

Жыл бұрын

some are accurate, some are not. apothecaries, librarians, techmarines, and chaplains are not same in rank as to standard marines.

@haringsablay9262

Жыл бұрын

​​@@jarubyjane It probably depends on the chapter. Warhammer 40k is soo freaking complicated lol

@jarubyjane

Жыл бұрын

@@haringsablay9262 i know but this video shows what a standard astartes chapter hierarchy looks like and most of the time chaplains, librarians, and apothecaries are only under the company captain in terms of rank as they are specialist forces and it is stated in the official wiki and lexicanum as such. Also some other chapters such as black templars and dark angels treat their chaplains with high respect and rank.

@haringsablay9262

Жыл бұрын

@@jarubyjane Then, we have the same idea. Lots of Chapters hierarchy are different than others, so it is hard and takes a long time to make such vast amounts of information digestible for the viewers to take. Like I said before, Warhammer 40k is complicated. So, it's pretty normal to have information wrong about chapters, and like I said it depends on the chapter. I see no wrong in your opinion. And, if you find anything wrong with my grammar, then please tell me I would greatly appreciate it.

@jarubyjane

Жыл бұрын

@@haringsablay9262 yes i agree with you that there are some things that might be wrong but I hoped that he would correct that in a pinned comment or something. Like you said, there are so many chapters to keep track of. I still think he makes amazing videos though.

Wie

Guys if you want to learn proper space marine rankings and roles within the lore, pick up a codex. This channel is very inaccurate.

Do you play warhammer??? Um....

Dude is making shit up lol

I'm a voice trainer for actors. Please don't breathe in through your nose while talking! Open mouth at the end of your sentence, just allow air to flow into your lungs. No pulling it in with force and especially not through the nose

Thumbs down for the clickbait.

Great content, too bad the person reading has a middle school reading level. It’s so excruciatingly painful to listen to this guy.

misleading dude..learn lore

bad vid

Have to say...the specialists i.e. medics, tech marines, chaplains etc. are higher rank than basic marines. You got that part way wrong. Having specialist training elevates them to the equivalent of an NCO at the least. If you look at modern military structures, specialists hold a higher rank than basic grunts and I don't see why it would be any different with the Astartes. You are making the Sergent rank way higher than it should be...they would be on par with the specialists as NCOs give or take. Company champions are not lower than the multiple sergents leading the various squads. I'm not sure where you got the ranking structure here but the whole middle section 13-5 is all jumbled up, chapter variance aside, and really doesn't make sense. I have been playing 40k since the 80's and served for 20 years in the military...this rank structure is way off.

@bloodangel19

Жыл бұрын

I still wonder what logic one must follow to belive a basic soldier somehow out ranks a specialist. Imagine some fresh blueberry marine that just finished his last gene implant outranking a guy who did all the training, implants and the specialist training on top.

and also, custodes might be above primarchs.....