Curious about the 1st online war? Check the anatolia map here kzread.info/dash/bejne/lI2kz9xtqJq_nKg.html

@woefulfisher

22 күн бұрын

In a nutshell: Tvrk BVLLS won Greek clittycels lost

@Vugir

22 күн бұрын

MOLDOVA RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

@Jan.jan2024

22 күн бұрын

I know how you feel :) iam slovak so when i hear some magyar sci fi how they were here first and we are poles and czechs who migrated into kingdom in 15-17century 😄😄 …. And in reality 35% magyar are generical slovaks and another 30% are genetical germans

@ThracianForever

22 күн бұрын

Orasul de Floci este locul unde sa nascut Mihai Viteazul da este o localitate reala....

@Vugir

21 күн бұрын

I'm the number one Moldova enjoyer vi ste svi bili Moldovci do juče ako ne znaš pitaj đeda

The rest of the world may call it "war" but in the Balkans it's just a friday.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

real

@kingepostle

22 күн бұрын

I thought war was the new 6 day work week they introduced.

@Duke_of_Lorraine

22 күн бұрын

@@kingepostle Greece has probably been broke since the Peloponnesean War, it's a special case.

@Times_Ticking

21 күн бұрын

balkans - what a mess. noone's going to be happy with whatever paradox does in the region.

When im in a romanian nationalist competition and my opponent is ludi et historia😢

@Sethos_I

21 күн бұрын

its always the ones who live abroad, who discuss this the most

@hopeundertheblacksun

20 күн бұрын

The most nationalist Romanian lives in Japan 😡

@Smile-Room

20 күн бұрын

@@hopeundertheblacksunyou'll never find a man who loves his country more than the one who doesn't live in it

@12354rony

20 күн бұрын

@@Smile-Room Why of course, that way you suffer none of the drawbacks of being a nationalist lol

@e1123581321345589144

11 күн бұрын

@@Smile-Room well, those of us who still live in Romania, for some reason.., don't like it that much.

Waiting for the 100000th hungarian vs romanian comments war

@goldenhate6649

21 күн бұрын

700 years of propaganda and historical revisionism coming to the surface lol

@barkthebarker429

20 күн бұрын

*Hungary casts the magyarization card11!*

@ade9597

7 күн бұрын

@@barkthebarker429 It's not very effective due to: -different people group, different language group, different religion trap cards

@barkthebarker429

5 күн бұрын

@@ade9597 CRAP, THATS BS!

@dienamychd7611

12 сағат бұрын

I don't know. I feel like this war kinda mellowed down.

the first thing i thought about when i saw the map was `how will ludi trash it?` :)

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

this is my nice edit btw, I had a few very very harsh edits I did last night that I cancelled cause it seemed too agressive :))

@claudiucionac6935

22 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria yeah you definitely were quite chill, considering the clusterfuck that is that Transylvanian ethnic map :))

@picobacsi

22 күн бұрын

​@@LudietHistoriagood idea, don't be Rude-y 😅

@burtreynolds8030

22 күн бұрын

@@picobacsitrue, ludi has a great giggle

Like if you want a football tourney like the Euros but only for Balkan countries

@DogNodding

22 күн бұрын

Football + MMA all in one

@merokrl

22 күн бұрын

Turkey would win ngl

@battlnerd2128

22 күн бұрын

blood bowl

@adnef0388

22 күн бұрын

@@merokrl There would be no winners of such a contest

@ziopeppecartagialla.1360

22 күн бұрын

It would just be a bum's league

It's not the Balkans if a map doesn't piss everyone off.

@goldenhate6649

21 күн бұрын

The Balkans are like the modern French, where the only buff they have militarily, is fighting themselves.

@SonoftheFortunate

20 күн бұрын

@@goldenhate6649 +10% Army Morale when fighting neighbors in the Balkan Region

@12354rony

20 күн бұрын

@@SonoftheFortunate *in the Balkan region

@SonoftheFortunate

20 күн бұрын

@@12354rony Ur right let me fix that

@12354rony

20 күн бұрын

@@SonoftheFortunate np dude we're all here for historical accuracy

I think the creation of Moldova should be a choice event for Hungary and if the Hungarian AI refuses to form Moldova for some reason, small states like tribes should pop out in Moldova, each having a location or two. I think this is better because the Hungarians could have chosen not to create Moldova and invest their resources elsewhere in our history.

@woefulfisher

22 күн бұрын

I think the creation of the state of Moldova was a cruel historical mistake that should be fixed.

@greenlamped2842

22 күн бұрын

​@@woefulfisherwhy?

@woefulfisher

22 күн бұрын

@greenlamped2842 Cuz I'm being the funny quirky big chungus guy here

@Darwidx

18 күн бұрын

​@@greenlamped2842I mean... It become independent ? And later was taken by Hungary enemies like Ottomans ? From perspective of Kingdom of Hungary creation of Moldova was a mistake.

@greenlamped2842

18 күн бұрын

@@Darwidx true

Hello Ludi! As one of the Hungarian enjoyers of your content, let me add a few points here. 1. The myth/legend/historical argument/whatever you want to call it/ of there ever being a Hungarian majority in Transylvania comes from *attempting to* analyze place name origins and church composition, e.g. where were catholic/greek catholic/orthodox churches/temples/houses of worship built. Obviously there were no censuses done based on national identity, since national identity as a concept didn't exist in the medieval times. I'm not trying to convince you of anything here, this is just to provide better understanding. I have absolutely no idea who were in the majority back then, and it has 0 relevance to our lives today. :) 2. There was a significant migration of all peoples into the devastated and depopulated central parts of Hungary after the Ottomans were finally kicked out by the Holy League in the 1680s. The new local nobles who gained a lot of new free real estate "encouraged" many peasant farmers to migrate to their lands and start to tend to it. First these migrations happened from other regions of the country, then a lot of "importation" of German, Czech and Polish people happened. This also had an effect in the ethnic makeup of the country, and according to some sources, contributed to the fact of how Hungarian language became even less prevalent in all of the border regions in every direction. 3. Because there were no concept of national identity the way we define and understand it today, people were either nobles/some variation of priest/citizen/peasant farmer. The latter group, peasant farmer accounted for about 80% of society, and they collectively had about ZERO rights as we would say today. So saying the Romanians had no rights for a very long time, is undeniably true for the Romanian peasant farmers but a bit skewed as an argument, since if you were a peasant farmer you had no rights, regardless if you spoke Hungarian, Romanian, Serbian, Slovakian, Ruthenian or anything else. You can say that X, Y or Z minority group was treated badly, and it's true, but *everyone* was treated badly back then, aside from the privileged few. Romanian nobles had the same rights and privileges as Hungarian nobles. 4. Székely is not pronounced as "Zekeli", but as something like "Saec hei", as the Romanian robot of Google Translate says it. :) 5. Fully agree with your last point about Balkan people being pretty much the same, regardless of what language we speak. All the fights about who was where first and what religion/language/culture is "best", is nonsense bullshit, we should all be over it forever. 6. Keep up with the absolutely schnappeldupping content, it's quality entertainment.

@agostontoth8782

22 күн бұрын

As you said, there is no exact method to determinate the numbers of the minorities, the are only assumtions. Hungarian written scources mention romanians first in 1222 in the Fogaras( Fagaras?) region, they were definitely there at this time, and there number was growing, especially after the black death, which affected less the romanians with their pastoral lifestyle. The first scource which could be a basis for a good assumtion is the papal thitle list form 1332-1327, which contains most-not all of the catholic parishes in the region, and is a basis of researches of both of the nations (György Györffy, Gyula Bálint, Stefan Pascu). Stefan Pascu claims the romanian majority based on this-(assumption number of all vilages in Erdély- number of catholis parishes) , but he assumes that every hungarian parish contanias exactly one village-and this is definitely not true. Without detalied analysis of each parish contained how many villages, the papal tithle list cann't be used as a tool to determine the ethnic composition. Ludi share your scources if you can-and if they readable with google translator :D -because i'm honestly really intresed how the romanian writers interpret this.

@DGAB955

22 күн бұрын

There should be lead and copper in the Baia Mare location, alongside gold and silver. I'm fact, lead should be the main mineral there, not gold. Paradox made the same mistake in Vicky 3 with that region.

@Bobogdan258

22 күн бұрын

@@agostontoth8782 The sources (name and title) are in the description.

@poonczey

22 күн бұрын

@@agostontoth8782 " i'm honestly really intresed how the romanian writers interpret this" Lemme help ya out: On the first day, the Romanians created God. Then the Romanians said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. Because a romanian can't trust another romanian in the dark! On the second day, God created Dacia (the place, not the car - that happened on the 5th day) and gave it to the Romanians. Fast forward 4.6 billion years and some pesky throat-singers (badly)cosplaying as germans invade Dacia and rename it MARDZSARSZORDROZSSZÁŐGY. After an epic struggle, Romania reconquers Dacia, and keeps Kürtős. Fin.

@undreadecembrie

21 күн бұрын

​@@poonczeybro felt like batman after saying thks

Did i just hear "Jugoslavia TODAY"?! 💣 28:22

Ludi showing his balkan blood boil

Regarding to your vlachs fun fact, we call Italy in Poland as Włochy, which is also derived from Volcae.

@admontblanc

22 күн бұрын

What does the name mean? I'm guessing something like "westerner" but that's probably wrong.

@Baso-sama

22 күн бұрын

@@admontblanc afaik the germanic root word simply meant foreigner, but the term stuck to mostly latin speaking peoples

@krism7784

22 күн бұрын

@@admontblanc ludi answer your question at the begining of the video

@krism7784

22 күн бұрын

@@admontblanc Volcae was a tribe and it is word derived from it

@NashQlaim

22 күн бұрын

@@admontblanc foreigner in Gothic which was widely used for latin speakers. as a part vlach myself from macedonia region. Vlachs were settled by Roman empire to parts of Balkans for Romanization of the area.

despite the inaccuracies its extremely respectable with them taking in so much input from the community to improve

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

I fully agree

@sirstamfordraffles6557

22 күн бұрын

It’s really good the finally included Transylvanian Saxon and all the other cultures on the Balkans there, that they erased completely in EU4.

@fungisrock8955

21 күн бұрын

Hopefully they take the same care with the rest of the world.

Ludi instantly entering his mania state as soon as Transylvanian ethnicities are mentioned

Ludi, what you're referring to as a separate voivodeship of Transylvania was just the normal feudal relation between the king and it's subject. If we go to the length of granting Transylvania it's own state and making it a vassal of Hungary, we might as well just do the same with every single feudal subject and leave only the crownlands in the hands of the respective countries... I mean i'm not against the idea tbh but i have a suspicion it would cause a big amount of chaos. :)

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

fair point! The reason i said it has some legitimacy to be shown separate is because the voievod in Transylvania had a lot of rights that other voievoids didn't have, like he collected his own taxes and sent to hungary wtv he wanted basically, he decided when to muster units and etc. Basically what a standard vassal would do in western europe at the time

@Baso-sama

22 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria ❤

@StefanDruga16

22 күн бұрын

​@@LudietHistoria was he basically what Moscow was to the Tatars?

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

@@StefanDruga16 not quite. Moscow was pretty much independent to be honest, the tatars didn't care about them at all as long as they paid tribute

@armie1089

22 күн бұрын

The voivodeship of Transylvania is originated from the institution of "Dukátus" pracriced by the house of Árpad. It was lead by a "Dux". This way the young princes of the house had a "playing ground" where they learned governership and leading armies, while the borderlands become less problematic do to having a local strong authority present. King László the Saint was the Dux of Transylvania originally.

Orașul de floci means pubic hair city in current lexicon, back then it meant the city in which wool is sold. Some names don’t translate that much. Plus, that’s the city in which Michael the brave was born, the first warlord that unified Romania in the 16th century

I would like to mention that a lot of people migrated to Hungary through the history. I don't deny that Romanians were live in Transylvania long before the game starts but nobody knows when they become the majority. For example in the 18th centoury hundreds of thousands Romanians arrived to Transylvania as well as other nations to other parts of Hungary. For instance if I am right there is still a small Slovak minority in South-East Hungary. And Ludi we don't learn that the Carpathians were empty. I don't know who told you.

@genuscorvid

22 күн бұрын

There were enough Romanians in Northern Transylvania that Moldavia was an Eastern Orthodox, Romanian principality despite being founded under the patronage of the king of Hungary.

@akosturi-kiss7712

22 күн бұрын

@@genuscorvid Ludi said that Hungary send there Romanian nobles not people. But I don't know mate. I am not historian just an average guy.

@emanuelneagu14

21 күн бұрын

true, though if there were 3 times less Romanians than Hungarians when the Hungarians arrived, that doesn't make Transylvania more of a claim for Hungary, so the only way in which it would be a claim is if the Carpathians were empty, it was just some ridiculization of the nationalist Hungarians (although Ludi himself is a bit too sold on that Roman continuation thing, there was definitely a mixture between Dacians and Romans and Bulgarians and Slavs and Huns and all of the people that conquered or migrated to the region, the overfocus on the Roman origin is 19th century nationalist bs). But what's for certain is that the Hungarian crown never recognized them, wanted them culturally converted but it didn't manage to

@genuscorvid

21 күн бұрын

@akosturi-kiss7712 why would Orthodox Christian Romanian nobles be in the Catholic Magyar kingdom of Hungary if there isn't a strong minority at the minimum of Romanian peasants? The first people to adopt the dominant culture and religion of a government are the nobility. Ludis argument is that Romanians were living in both Transylvania and Moldova (disputable)

@akosturi-kiss7712

21 күн бұрын

@@genuscorvid to be honest I don't know what are we arguing about.

"oh this is the backwater of my country, here's where I live" looks almost exactly the same. lmao

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

SHUT UP MAN REEEE but true yeah xD

@liljeep3631

22 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria yooo my first Ludi reply lets goo

@liljeep3631

22 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria keep the rants coming best parts of the vids

@Nickster292

21 күн бұрын

The legend says the poop from the outhouse lets the watermelons grow big!

It’s supposed to just but the Roman Empire but with the OG borders

Aromanians history that Ludi mentioned basically sounds like the Roman version of returning to monke (since Latins were originally shepherds in Latium).

@nairpic7360

21 күн бұрын

This is what also happened with the Romans living in Dacia after the territories liberated by Constantine the Great were lost and Gothia was destroyed. The Romans in Dacia slowly became mountain dweller sheepherders, moving from set location to set location, sometimes emigrating as far as Bohemia, which became one of the avenues cultural contact with the Latin speaking Romans of the empire was maintained. This actually led to something known as the Vlach law, which governed the Romance speaking populations both North and South of the Danube. especially in the Kingdom of Serbia and Hungary. In the latter's case, the Vlach law would be abolished only in the XVIIIth century, under the rule of the Habsburgs.

@admontblanc

21 күн бұрын

@@nairpic7360 interesting tidbit. Romans were really ahead of the curve, returning to monke it is.

Pavia said in a reply that there are Istro Romanians in the game when he listed the Romanian culture group(he didn't mention Megalo Romanians), he also didn't mention Dalmatian which probably means it's considered an Italic culture, which is fair since we consider Ragusa one of the republiche marinare

@tastyfalcon1788

21 күн бұрын

Actually Dalmatians are mentioned in the original Tinto post, but what group they are apart of is not stated.

@MattFerr100

21 күн бұрын

​@@tastyfalcon1788 yes, but he didn't mention them in the reply where he listed the cultures in the romanian culture group do I think it's safe to assume Dalmatian is going to be part of the Italian one

I felt pdx Tinto wants to cause an online war, so inaccurate, why is Wallachian the primary culture of Romania, why is it not Romanian or if you want to break it down, use vlach, Slav, what’s left of cumans . But I’m no Romanian expert but I know an inaccuracy when I see one plus as a minor culture there better be the old aromanians and Macedonians and dalmatians on the coast and I’m sure there’s other ancient cultures that I can’t think of

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Yeah the map is mega pepega sadly

@gamingdealer9514

22 күн бұрын

why would macedoians be separated from greek culture?

@truedarklander

22 күн бұрын

​@@gamingdealer9514I think he's talking about the megaloromanians

@Chuck12312

21 күн бұрын

@@truedarklander yeah the meglo Romanians, just could think of the name

At this point it would be easier for Paradox to release deliberately incorrect maps and just let the community fix it

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

so true

@Darwidx

18 күн бұрын

I think this is why Moldova was slappped as wallachian and owned by horde, there were 0 research on this subject so this is certainly on list to change after feedback.

@emanuelneagu14

18 күн бұрын

@@Darwidx hopefully so

@Torantes

10 күн бұрын

Ah yes, a community project

Came for the EU5 news, stayed for Romanian History

I think that the Greeks in the mouth of Danube you are referring to are Bulgarians, it's easy to get confused since they have a similar colour

@SquirrelMaestro

19 күн бұрын

There were all three nationalities in the mouth of the Danube, but a significant Greek population did exist there even before the Phanariote period probably doubled Greeks in the area. I don’t have a good estimate but I would say Greek was at least equal to Bulgarian in the area with a majority Romanian

@radudaniel7136

16 күн бұрын

​@@SquirrelMaestro I thought the mouth of the Danube had a predominant Tatar population which was like 5 times more numerous than the Bulgarian and Romanian populations combined. (At least this was true in the 19th century, I'm not sure when Tatars got there originally)

Yeah right, nice try fed. Transylvania was hungarian from the big bang

Ludi, how many times must I tell you this? It's project Caesar not EU5

@LudietHistoria - for the very similar linguistic reason as why Romanians were called "Vlachs' back then, in modern polish language italians are called "Włosi" and Italy "Włochy"

@Matiddd

22 күн бұрын

And while polish is not germanic, but slavic language, many placement names and peoples names are derived from german through cultural / knowledge transit

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Slavs use a similar word as they got their info about latins from the germans first

@su1t0n11

22 күн бұрын

​@@user-wz1il1hw8knot this pseudo history again

@RB-nt6zx

22 күн бұрын

I think the Swiss canton of Wallis has the same origin.

The Daco-Roman strikes again...

Greetings from Serbia. I watch your videos for humor. 👍

@woefulfisher

22 күн бұрын

Shqip numba one 💪🏆🇦🇱🇽🇰 Srbi numba two 🤭🤣🇷🇺🇸🇮🇸🇰

@zoki5388

22 күн бұрын

​@@woefulfisherWhatever makes you happy

@dalivida

21 күн бұрын

​@woefulfisher smh there's always that one guy 🤦‍♂️

I think that the most compelling argument for our constant presence within the current borders of Romania is our exonym of "Vlachs". Being a Germanic exonym, we could have only gotten it from interacting with Germanic people. We have been called Vlachs since at least the 8th century, which means we got it from when the Goths, Vandals and Gepids passed trough the lands of modern Romania and established their kingdoms there. They did not exert a strong, persistent influence south of the Danube, but they had literal kingdoms north of the Danube, and gave the exonym of "Vlach" to the Romance-speakers of the region.

"What we know [as] Yugoslavia today". Ludo is cooking.

5:00 And that's why Poles say Włochy when they mean Italy :)

Ludi as a half Greek half Aromanian person myself and a fellow historian I really appreciate you are 100% neutral and refer to Romanian and Aromanian elements as remnants of the old empire. Also it should be mentioned that mixed with the Volcae and the local populations according to which place these legionary veterans were given land at their retirement they split into different Eastern Roman subgroups such as the Meglens the Draco-Aromanians(Romanians) and the Greek-Aromanians. After the Caracalla decree and the military reforms, freemen served mainly as limitanei across the Danube and Rhine and these people settled in Coloniae close to the lands they served on retirement. So it makes absolute sense that those remnants were settled in those areas and that they weren't really gone. They are still here settled from all across the empire to defend it. The Welsh of the old north, the Soissons of the Rhine, the Aromanians and Romanians they all faced a Germanic invasion and the exonym the enemy gave them is Wallacz. So if a Germanic person is making this game, calling all of us Wallachians is correct on his/her behalf 😂 Don't forget that until the 15th century most titles in the eastern empire were still Latin and the official language until the 7th century was Latin. It was close to 1500 years of Roman presence that led to Rum and Greek to become basically synonyms. An Aromanian called Rigas had a dream of united Christian Balkans but the Austrians and Ottomans would never allow it...

I'm Bulgarian and i really like that they used period accurate city names though i think Bulgaria should be way more mountainous, especially around the Balkan mountain. I'm very very glad I'll be able to play my own country in eu4 without having to release it from the ottomans!

Ludi: here are my 2 cents Also Ludi: and here are my 2 centners of historical references

Oh boy, we knew it was gonna big, balkan big... but you gotta praise the detail on the critique

Great video, I love how you went into detail around the accuracy of certain regions/towns! Just one small addition, the reason why Transylvanian might be highlighted could be because of the mix of cultures being present forming a somewhat unique cultural identity. The reason for this being that Hungarian kings, starting with Géza the II. if remember correctly, started inviting Germans and other cultures to repopulate the region after the Turkic incursions into Transylvania, Partium and Banat.

Correct me if im wrong, but doesn't welsh come from the Anglo-Saxon word "Wealas"? It means Foreigner / Stranger. So i don't think it had much to do with Romans.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

That is the word given to the latins too, as they were seen as the foreigners

@hardlo7146

22 күн бұрын

Yup. The biggest dick move. Migrate to Britain, take over, and call the natives "foreigners." The eternal Anglo...

@juanbarbosasiguenza5883

22 күн бұрын

And Welsh were the romano-britons.

@valentinmitterbauer4196

21 күн бұрын

My personal theory is this: At the time the germanic word "welsh" or "walsh" came up, the celtic and the latin languages were still so close, that the germanic speakers were unable to hear much of a difference, so they grouped them together. Because if "welsh" just meant "stranger", then slavs would've also been called "welsh", but they were not. They were called "wends" by germanic speakers.

@juanbarbosasiguenza5883

21 күн бұрын

@@valentinmitterbauer4196 The only problem its britons denominate "romans" themselves as the were the remanents of the roman provincia of britania, while saxons never called welsh to non romanized celts as irish or picts.

I hope Paradox make Romanians and Hungarians part of the same cultural group again so we can have a very fun video to watch soon

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

yes that would explain why Hungarian and Finnish languages have similarities despite Hungarians being first in Transilvania, because Finns originate from Romania 💀 or whatever, Hungarian narrative makes no sense

@nocsiou

22 күн бұрын

@@emanuelneagu14brother he’s joking calm down

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

@@nocsiou I was joking calm down

Top 5 things Romanians have stolen: 5) Dobruja from Bulgarians 4) Banat from Serbs 3) Transylvania from Hungarians 2) Country name from Roman Empire 1) My wallet

@su1t0n11

22 күн бұрын

​@@user-wz1il1hw8k man stfu 😭 Ion from the Sheep business changed how he called himself and how he spoke because he hated the bulgarians so much😭 even funnier Vasile from Vaslui surely did the same cause he hated the bulgarians as well. This bullshit pseudi historical fanfic, you should leave it behind

@7Anakin7

22 күн бұрын

Did they also steal your brain? 🙁

@TheVallant

22 күн бұрын

6) my heart ❤❤

@hompanit8942

22 күн бұрын

7) everything i own😢

@Bullshlaha

22 күн бұрын

My bike

Great video as always!

Hungarian historians do not say that there was nobody in the Carphatian basis. Based on the archaeological evidence (mostly cemetories) one can see that there were a lot of Avars and Slavs. Romanians were living mostly in the hills and mountains living as sepherds (just like in other parts of the balkans) which were areas that couldn't support large amounts of people. There are a lot of sources on how after the 13th century devastation by the Mongols (10-50% of the population got killed or fled), the Hungarian Kingdom needed a lot of new people as peasants, and the Hungarian Lords have systematically brought in Germans from the west and Romanians from the Balkans, from mostly Wallachia, Serbia and Bulgaria (Hungary doesn't consider the Carphatian basis a part of the Balkans). Similar pattern arose after the Turkish occupation in the 18th century. Even many of my ancestors came into the country during the 13th century migration (Cumans) and later in the 18th Century (Germans, Rusyns, and Romanians). Hungarians do not say that there weren't a lot of Romanians in Transylvania. About the rights: it's important that they were shepherds who did not serve in the Military in a significant way and did not pay significant taxes either. The same applied to other peoples who lived in the mountains like the Rusyns. Only cities and people responsible for the defense of the Kingdom got special rights (German cities, certain military groups as the Szekelys and Cumans, and of course the Nobles). Hungarian peasants had no rights either or any peasants. It wasn't your ethnicity that mattered, but your role in society. Your military and economical importance is what people cared about.

@TheFutski

22 күн бұрын

If the Hungarians sourced people from Serbia and Bulgaria, how come Transylvania isn't predominantly Bulgarian or Serbian? Also, Bogdan and Dragos must have speed-ran aristocracy ideas, if they were to rise from immigrant, Orthodox Christian peasants, to becoming nobles trusted with establishing a march in Moldova in the span of roughly a 100 years.

@Cigmacica

22 күн бұрын

Exactly, i also got a school history book under my hand and it does cite that there were people already living on the land like romanised people, germanic people, turkic people and slavs

@istn9478

22 күн бұрын

​@@TheFutski 1. I did't say they were Serbians or Bulgarians. I meant people from those areas. Many of them were also Greeks, Romanians, and other minorities. Also, not all of these people were brought into Transylvania. It was the fertile lands of vallies and the Great Plain that got wrecked by the Mongols. That's where they got lands and most of them eventually assimilated. There were several waves of devastation and subsequent migration into the Hungarian lands during history. The two greatests are the 13th century and the 18th century. 2. Most nobles were not "ethnically Hungarian". No one cared about your ethnicity at the time before the idea of nationhood even came about in the 18th-19th centuries. In Hungarian sources everyone is a Hungarian Noble regarless of their ethnicity. You were a Hungarian noble because you served the Hungarian Crown. Many of the most celebrated nobles in Hungarian history were not "ethnically Hungarian". Zrínyi's first language was Croat, Rákóczi's was Rusyn, Széchényi's was German. Each of them had all sorts of ancestors including Hungarian ancestors, but that's wasn't of any importance at that time. What was important is their economic, political, and military influence. During most of history this approach has actually been the norm. The obsession with ethnicity and nations is a relatively recent development in historical terms. This is one of the reasons why people misunderstand many of the sources.

@gestandrojdier

22 күн бұрын

Vlach law literally obliged vlachs to serve militarily what are you talking about!?

@istn9478

22 күн бұрын

​@@gestandrojdier You are right, I have exaggarated there. It is important though that their tax burden and their required military contribution was minor compared to other groups. In fact, it was very hard to even get them pay their taxes and answer the call of the local nobility when their military assistance was required. The Rusyns and other mountain dwelling groups were the same. Rusyns who lived in the mountains as shepherds got very similar rights and burdens and were similarly problematic to get them do their duties. It wasn't like that because the difference in ethnicity. They did it because they could get away with it. Life was hard in the mountains, but it was also easy to defend and hide. It wasn't a unique thing, every group tried to negotiate with each other all the time. Even the Székelys have rebelled several times because they just didn't want to pay taxes because they thought the king was weak. It was a constant push and pull between groups of people. There is even a pattern there with religion. Both the Rusyns and Romanians are Orthodox. It was great for taxation because this was an excuse not to pay taxes to the Roman Catholic Church. The Rusyns and Romanians who moved to the Great Plain in the 18-19th century were forced to convert and the Greek Catholic church got created so that they would pay taxes. Those who refused went back to the mountains. Greek Catholic is a mix of Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church. I know these very well because I live in Máriapócs which is one of its centers of this Church and many of my ancestors are Rusyns and some are Romanian who came in the 18-19th century.

Was really waiting for this one

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

bro i took my time with this, this is like the 6th edit done cause I was too rude in the first ones xD so did tone down a lot here

@catgremm

22 күн бұрын

​@@LudietHistoriawe need to see the first few fr

@Athena23070

22 күн бұрын

​@@LudietHistoriano no ur arent rood ur romanian its normal

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

@@Athena23070 true true

There were even italian travelers who attested that there were romanians there and whom he can even understand.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

yes. quite a few actually, especially merchants

Not gonna lie, the Eastern European google maps section made me laugh because it has such hinterlands Brazil vibe I wasn't expecting.

Why am I not surprised his video on the Romanian tinto map is 40 minutes long..

When I saw the map online I knew this clip will come :))

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

I was nice in this.....too nice even

Very wholesome video, thank you for the message at the end Much love and keep going brother

nope Ludi thats incorrect Hungarian chronicle arent said there were no people maybe later some historian did This is from Képes Krónika, also known as the Hungarian Illuminated Chronicle or Chronicon Pictum: Transcarpathia "And when the Hungarians approached the Carpathians, it is said that in those regions they found seven castles, which were named as follows: Munkács, Ungvár, Beregszász, Szabolcs, Borsova, Újvár, and Huszt. Then they agreed that all those who guarded these castles should not fight against them, but rather make an alliance with them. After the alliance was made, Duke Árpád, along with the other leaders and chiefs, appointed a governor to each castle and granted the surrounding lands to their possession. Then they moved on to take possession of the entire land up to the Tisza River." Transylvania "After the Hungarian people crossed the Carpathian Mountains, they entered the land of Transylvania. In these territories, they found the Székelys, who were living there as descendants of the Huns, retaining some of the old customs of their forefathers. The Hungarians joined forces with the Székelys, who welcomed them as kin. They also encountered the Vlachs (Romanians) who inhabited the mountainous regions of Transylvania. The Vlachs were subjugated and paid tribute to the Hungarians. Additionally, there were remnants of the Avars and Slavs in the area, living in fortified settlements. The Hungarians overcame these groups as well and secured control over the entire region of Transylvania." Middle Plains "And as they proceeded through the lands, they encountered the Slavs, who lived from the Danube to the Tisza, and found the land of the Bulgarians, who lived near the lower part of the Danube. These places had fortified castles and rich villages. But since Duke Árpád and the Hungarian leaders were brave and bold, they triumphed over the Slavs and the Bulgarians." Transdanubia "Thereafter, Duke Árpád and his companions fought beyond the Danube and captured all the territories up to the Rába River. Here, they encountered the Moravians, who had strong castles and rich villages, but Árpád triumphed over them as well. After defeating all the peoples who crossed their path, they subdued the entire land from the Carpathian mountain range, through the Danube and Tisza rivers, all the way to the lower course of the Danube."

Holy shit this reminded me of a core memory, a decade ago, of when I was in highschool and used to get into our history teacher cabinet and just look at those huge detailed maps (and the bottles of alcohol), and bring those maps to our classroom, and our drunken professor forgeting he put us to bring them, scorned us as to why we enterted his cabinet and then proceding to tell us all the intricate and detailed storyes with a passion, and us just staring at the maps and imagining how events played out. The info you dropped here is also so exhaustive and interesting, cred ca tocmai mi-am dat drumul in pantaloni, prea bun clipul!

A few minor points. 1. Hungarian textbooks do not claim that the land was "empty", they claim it was sparsely populated and mostly Slavic and German in ethnicity. 2. Hungarian medieval law assumed the Székely to be the descendants of the Huns. Weather that assumption is correct or not is up for debate, but nonetheless the Székely were all considered noblemen because of this.

God I hope this game doesn't go the Victoria 3 route and slowly become better. I hope it is great right off the the bat.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

I hope so too

Sincer nu mai stiu cum am dat ded canalul tau dar ma bucur tare

I love these, lots to learn and good book recommendations, keep at it, I love your vids.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Glad you like them!

Cheers Ludi for covering these updates in such detail I'm learning quite a bit as the 14th century isn't something that i've focused on nearly enough in the past. Got any advice for someone who is about to study history ? I'm not sure which part to focus on as I believe while studying history you must have a great understanding of each era on its own and in chronological cohesion to have any idea as to what anything really means and even then you have to keep digging). Cheers again appreciate your content my Balkan brother

Ludi, from Republic of Moldova, i really like you videos, and besides that you sense of humor is fascinating. Moreover, about the video personally me a descendent of Russian Empire colonists of Basarabia become Romanian from culture assimilation and love that. Thanks for your videos.

Thanks ludi for all the info i really apprentice just as mush as i push that subscribe button .

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

I appreciate that!

Fun fact: The name for Vlachs (as it originally was a Germanic name for all Celtic tribes, later for all tribes to the West, as Celts became more and more Romanized) was lent by Poles and now we call Italy "Włochy" (w makes always a "v" sound)

thx Ludi for covering this one

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Thanks for listening

@Vugir

21 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria Weird Wallachian

Great video Ludi, enjoy seeing your personal attachment this episode. Come join your brothers here in the UK and we'll name a council estate after you. Could be the start of a beautiful world conquest.

@LudietHistoria

21 күн бұрын

Deal!

How about three different cultures for the Romanian lands: Moldovan, Wallachian(or another name) and Transylvanian, and an option or event for unifying all three cultures in one, namely Romanian?

@Razou123

20 күн бұрын

It would be the contrary though. Moldovan became more distinct when the Russian Empire took Moldova and then the Soviets. While the Transylvanian and the rest of the Romanians became more different with the long Hungarian "occupation", if I may call it that way. Whilst there were definitely some kind of difference from village to village, globally it was more similar.

@e1123581321345589144

11 күн бұрын

@@Razou123 and the south with the long Ottoman occupation. But the thing is, people back then didn't identify themselves by culture, so it's hard to say. They mostly related to each-other in terms of religion.

Online War that was started by Lubi himself

as an aromanian i have to say there where way more aromanians in these areas of north west greece especially in the area of grevena and trikala but also in the krucevo area in north macedonia also the blue in greece is probably arvanite ?

I really love your historical dive into the area, I didn't know much other than that Romanians were the remnants after Rome collapsed basically. Are you going to send in your thoughts directly to paradox too with your book sources? Because I'd love to see them change things!

Ah yes, another episode of real life lore

looking forward to this more and more.

I think they should add more hills and mountains in Turkey, especially in Istanbul, because there is literally a saying, "Yeditepeli Şehir" meaning City of Seven Hills.

funny stuff on this and the mamluk one, ludi! you're evolving!! Ludichu your second form

I just really hope they add prisoners of war mechanics either you can sell them for gold or release them to make better relations or to reinforce your troops

@d3athmate

22 күн бұрын

A fellow medieval 2 player?

@REALSHAMROCKSAN

22 күн бұрын

I suppose you could say that but it is really missing that feature here also an offer to join the ally's war im currently trying to play byzantine in vanilla and would love to have the both features

Honestly George, you should be teaching history, you are completely competent for this. Hugs from Brazil bro.

You are the best ludi greetings from Bulgaria.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Hello there!

@Verygoodfeel01

22 күн бұрын

@@LudietHistoria I hope to see your mega campaign soon.

Old Slavonia was also the best source of Hard wood pillars for the Hungarian mines. Slowly changing to grasslands from the 18th century.

I didn't even noticed at the first time when Ludi switched from Vaslui to Cudalbi, I thought Ludi keeps showing the first place.

3:51 As a Pole I have to digress. Traditionally Wallachia is refered as "Wołoszczyzna" and Wallachians are called "Wołosi" which roots in Old Slavic not German. It is speculated that Długosz used word "Vlaks" in order to make his chronicle more approachable to German speaking burghers. And btw in polish historiography we use the same word to call Wallachians and one specific unit on light horse mercenaries hired extensively by late Jagiellonias as part of Foreign Corp members. It is also speculated that their tactics and structure were used to establish armored mounted corps that later evolved into Winged Hussars

@mangoprince6624

22 күн бұрын

Other traditional name for Wallachia is also "Multany" which comes from combination of Muntenia and Oltenia and came to use in early stages of Ottoman presence in Balkans

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

That's because slavs also use the word vlach, just like the germans, since their first interaction with the latins came AFTER they knew about the latins from GERMAN GOTHS. And the greek byzantines also used vlach starting from the 8th century, when the greeks took over to differentiate from greeks and actual romans and to deligitimize the romans in a way

@serebii666

9 күн бұрын

No, it was Germanic in origin. West Slavic gets it from Proto-Slavic *volxъ (“speaker of a Romance language”), from Proto-Germanic *walhaz (“non-Germanic foreigner, Celt; later Roman”). That is why even today Wales, Welsh, Walloon also derive from it, because it was originally a Germanic designation of foreign outgroups.

Lollll i loved the ludi lore bit especially when you've shown a poophouse

I know you're a passionate Romanian and all but I would have loved a larger focus and explanation on the other parts of the Balkans. Like half the video is about Romanian inaccuracies.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

I was thinking to redo the other non romanian parts in a separate video tbh, you're right I didn't focus on other stuff much. like wtf is bosnian culture? xD

@aleksa280

15 күн бұрын

​@@LudietHistoria Real. Bosnian culture in 13. Century 😂

btw "Kolozsvár" in transylvania is also misspelled, they used "sz" instead of "zs"

German Tranyslvanias were the majority where they lived in the 19th century, why wouldn't they be in the 14th? This is just weird

Ludi went full on balkan in this video xd

I loved your Transylvania rant lol

Balkans fighting each others while being the same people so much, they got a name for it

16:21 as a Greek, I have to say I'm surprised by the detail. I noticed a few small mistakes, like the fact that Alexandroupolis is a thing (it was founded in the 20th century, doesn't make sense here), or "Demotika" which is actually a Turkish/Bulgarian corruption of the Greek name Didymoteichon. Also nsome names are in modernized forms (Like Argyrocastro missing the final n) and others in ancient forms like Thibai. Also I noticed Xanthi has an extra a for some reason. Overall it's a great job, especially for the parts of the Byzantine empire that are no longer in Greece

Ok time to rewatch this a second time.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

meow

As far as I know the term vlah is the name for all older roman settlers peoples after the arrival of other peoples and tribes. That's why the term also exists in place names like for example Laško in Slovenija.

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

It's not. It's a term given by germans to latins, the slavs also borrowed the same word from the germans and the byzantines started using it around the 8th century to differentiate the greek romans from latin romans.

Funny how a lot of people are mad that their culture got divided in 2 or 3 when the langues d'oïl group in France got litteraly divided in 11 groups for having slightly different dialects and French people are just happy to see their little regional identity represented culturaly on the mapj

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

oh trust me if we had a system of subcultures with an accurate representation for all of the slightly different "dialects" (the word "dialects" implies way more differences than the tiny ones there are) in Romania and everywhere else, we'd be super proud and happy. But here we are, pointing out cities that weren't yet established in 1337 🥲 and in this context ofc the invention of a Transylvanian culture isn't cool

@floflo1645

22 күн бұрын

@@emanuelneagu14 they also invented the Alpine culture for France which was not a thing and French people were not as mad as Romanians. Ludi himself recognized he had to re-record the video because he originally sounded too aggressive. There is no reason to feel offended over these innacuracies Video games are abstractions, the "this was not built yet" is a good example of something that while ahirstorical may make sense gameplay wise because you don't want a an area to be empty if if it might develop into some very important place in the future (of the game). The Americas are gonna be full of these.

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

@@floflo1645 it's a long stupid debate with the Hungarians at play here, that's why all the excess nerves. It's not cool they invented Alpine culture either but whatever, it's just a game indeed.

@StefanDruga16

21 күн бұрын

French, Italians and Spanish are and have always been more divided linguistically than Romanians have ever been

'An online war'? I'm on the same forums, the tone is actually quite constructive. And, yes, this is an early-version. The devs want our insights and feedback. EDIT: After watching your video, your tone is okay and quite constructive, too. Tumbnails being thumbnails, I guess.

Hmmm, you know Ludi this has given me a bit if an idea. What if there were two types of culture groups in EU5? Like, a close or loose group, with tight groups being more similar (Transylvanian/Wallachian/Moldovan as an example of a tight group which would be super integrated with eachother but have some distinctions, probably all share the same language) and loose groups being more like Scandinavian (Danish/Swedish/Norwegian where they have common origin but distinct language).... might be tough to implement coupd use somw refinement tbh

@emanuelneagu14

22 күн бұрын

Transylvanian ain't a real culture bro it's just Romanians that happened to live to the other side of the Carpathians from the rest, even if you take Hungarian narrative they say it's Wallachians that migrated there, but no it would be a clusterschnitzel anyway because if you're going for that ultra realistic representations there's many subregions and subcultures and it just doesn't lead anywhere

38:36 The Transylvanian Saxons probably formed the majority of the population in this particular area because there was a significant amount of german peasentry (different from what you have claimed). This also makes sense considering the fact that most german cities in eastern europe ( for example in the baltics) shifted ethnically away from beeing mostly german if there was no german peasentry around that City.

Ludi is on fire! 😂

I hope there are vlachs in the Balkans as a minority, (vlachs are a generic name for latin language family speakers) such as meglenoromanians or aromanians, they were a privileged group in the ottoman empire and provided most of the spahi cavalery and were spared from taxation in exchange for their military service

Ludi went OFF here! Viewer discretion is advised!

Good video! Greetings from Borui

Much love from Braila bro ❣

@LudietHistoria

22 күн бұрын

Cand ne fac ma astia aeroportul? :))

@turculaurentiu91

22 күн бұрын

Nu te mulțumești doar cu pod?

I love that heartwarming speech at the end

we need more google maps adventures with ludi!

Why are your talking about ethnic colonizations in the 10-17 centuries? There were no nationalities only difference in status in those societies. Its ridiculous that you think the germans were brought into transylvania to "colonize" or bring about the extinction of romanians. If you actually use logic as you have mentioned it relates to the area being less populated due to outside raids, difficulties because of terrain and low percentage of burghers = not enough proper cities with functioning industries (guilds). The Holy Roman empire always had a huge number of burghers and miners which the Kingdom of Hungary was in need the most as it had abundant mines without enough workers. Isnt it logical that you would want to encourage those groups of people to settle in your kingdom? Same with romanians, the nobles welcomed them with open arms since they were free manpower and their source of income as serfs. In my opinion it doesnt matter if your right about romanians being the majority for even thousands of years as you said both cultures have different sources, so it doesnt really matter that much because its just he said she said. But still having a victim mentality after all these years is just mind boggling. Hungarian serf werent treated better than romanian, croat, slovak or rusin serfs. Its because they were SERFS. The Hunyadi's had wallach and cuman origins and were of noble status. WOW no way status matters more than ethnicity in those days (Same with the Cillei family)? What your doing is spewing romanian nationalism to those who dont understand the region properly. I understand that we were taught different perspectives of history but what your saying isnt based on logic but purely on your emotions and love for your nation.

We finally got a Ludi family mudhut reveal let’s go

absolutely loved seeing ludi getting passionate about the romanian culture map :D

Regarding population of albanians in kosovo, in 1330 stefan decanski of serbia signed a Decan decree that records population of kosovo and there was only about 50 houses inhabited by Albanians. So yeah hope that they portray population of kosovo as it was.