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@taikutsunaneko9125

Ай бұрын

6:34 "oğulları" means "sons of" reason it used is actualy turkish nations do not have sur names and every body called with something they are known for or with their fathers name. Non of the ottoman emperors called osmanoğlu ( except the ones wich their fathers name is osman)

@dalimillazan2877

22 күн бұрын

if your thesis isnt as long as Mr. Gibbons the decline and fall of roman empire, you are rookie my dear, dont use your thesis as arguement :D

@EminenShad

18 күн бұрын

Cilicia is Armenian kingdom here,ruled by hethumian dynasty.

As a Turk i am okey with everything they can make whole Anatolia %101 Greek and Armenian BUT if paradox make Turkish a "levantine" culture...

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

bro I'll be mad if they make it levantine, for real... xD

@aluminiumknight4038

Ай бұрын

As an arab i would if they made a levantine culture group at all

@0Meletti

Ай бұрын

why?

@malxadolasanadam

Ай бұрын

The most flabbergasted thing that was to me in the game was Turkish and Azerbaijani being different culture groups

@ooferdoofer7869

Ай бұрын

​@@0Melettianatolia is turkish, which is a turkic culture, and the levant is closer to arabic, which is, ofcourse, arabic. The only thing they really have in common is religion and some history

"I have a History degree and a thesis about the Roman Empire." This is the best moment to ask to the right person. Ludi how frequent do you think about the Roman Empire?

@SSSamuraiiiOne

Ай бұрын

Probably every waking and unwaking moment of his life. How else is he going to restore the glory of Rome if he doesn't think of Rome all the time?!?

@Boleslav4

Ай бұрын

The answer is probably "yes".

@degoose2447

Ай бұрын

All my waking day and sleeping nights I think about the greatest empire that ever existed

@michaelpfeiffer2073

Ай бұрын

"Every morning I wake up and before I go to bed!" :D

@Razorcarl

28 күн бұрын

"Yes."

21:00 in the west the belief wasn't that Jesus was half man half God, but fully man and fully God. That distinction is very important.

@mchrzestek

Ай бұрын

Indeed

@velvet6923

Ай бұрын

so jesus is a full god?

@LeBaron101

Ай бұрын

@@velvet6923 He is supposed to be God in Human form, where he is both fully God, yet remains Human in his form on Earth.

@serbenfiquista2060

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@velvet6923correct. Jesus is both fully man and fully God. Anything else is considered heresy.

@johncenile

Ай бұрын

​@@velvet6923 not even a full God, just God

I would like to request the safe return of my wallet please Ludi

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

that will be a left arm and a schekel sir

@ZivkoSkobic

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria Best I can do is a like on the video. (I am already subscribed)

@Granochereal

Ай бұрын

​@@LudietHistoriano I ate the wallet

As someone lived in Armenia for some time it, it hurts to hear Cilicia being pronounced Silisia instad of Kilikia but apparently it is correct because of Koine shift.

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

i love you

@isimerias

Ай бұрын

What Koine shift? Greek doesn’t have C and K was always pronounced the same. Unless you’re talking about Latin.

@Andikl1

Ай бұрын

​@@isimerias I guess shift is incorrect term in linguistic perspective. I did a small research and if I got it right, in Koine kappa followed by a wovel was pronounced as /c/ when in Attic it was /k/ (i.e. harder). Other examples are Κυρηναϊκή, Κύπρος, Κυκλάδες or κέδρος (see IPA transcription for different prononsiations). So in Latin it was written with 'C' letter, so later (because of other reasons) it is pronounsed as /s/. I don't know why modern Greek pronounse it with a /k/ because I don't know the history of Greek that well. Because in Cyrillic it was written without all that Latin stuff, I pronounce all those words with K, not S.

@georgios_5342

Ай бұрын

​@@Andikl1 yeah the IPA /c/ is nothing like /s/, it's simply the front-allophone of the sound /k/, and this also happens in English. Call and kill don't have the exact same k sound. That's the difference

@isimerias

Ай бұрын

@@Andikl1 My point was just that Greek has nothing to do with the Silisia pronunciation. It’s a Latin thing.

Cant wait for th 50 dlcs this game is going to have

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

50? you mean 420 right?

@rge24491

Ай бұрын

More likely Another Imperator Rome

@DeeJy33

Ай бұрын

​@@rge24491I couldn't ever imagine Paradox giving eu5 the Imperator treatment. Europa is their main baby. It's like expecting a Zelda game to flop, just not gonna happen.

@jordansedlacek5627

Ай бұрын

Cant wait for the absolutely terrible and unfun combat system that nobody understands this game's gonna have.

@doggerlander

29 күн бұрын

​@@jordansedlacek5627europa will never ever have fun combat unfortunately

Greco bros we are so back

@vasilijesamardzic4151

Ай бұрын

so sad to see how strong their culture was

@yankychannels

Ай бұрын

@@vasilijesamardzic4151the late 1800s and early 1900s were not good times to be a Greek or Armenian in Anatolia

@checkcommentsfirst3335

Ай бұрын

@@yankychannels I wonder why ...

@godslayer609

Ай бұрын

​@@yankychannels It's not real, on 1800s there is not too much greek at all

@marshallsilverstar9636

Ай бұрын

​@@godslayer609only 3+million💀

As a Turk I don't really care what ends up being portrayed in the game as long as it has some bases from historians. What I want to say is that we should all be happy that as a community and game developers we are at a point where we use literal history books for the basis of our arguments. This shows me how serious and respectful we all are about the game and it's accuracy.

@mohammedabdul4832

Ай бұрын

You are a islamised Greek. Not Turk,

@thelegit2468

7 күн бұрын

As a Greek, for real. Like this game can be a positive influence to the community in general by introducing this scientific way of historical debate.

Ah finally..... Now Paradox's brilliant plan can truly begin: First, get all the turks and greco-roman simps at each other's throats over how many pops "their side" should start out with. Have them fight a civil war over the internet that will finally put the byzantine ones to shame. Then annouce two mutually exclusive DLC's just before the game comes out: one which changes the anatolian pops ridicolously in favour of the greeks, and another which does the same for the turks. Relax, kick back, and PROFIT. Their genius! It truly has no limits!

@lachlanf4842

19 күн бұрын

The term Byzantine is a modern naming of them and is a false name. “Byzantine” was Eastern Rome, they called themselves Eastern Romans or just Romans.

@JimGr2029

18 күн бұрын

How tf do you put byzantines to shame explain yourself funny one

@sammylastname8776

16 күн бұрын

@@lachlanf4842Not “Eastern” Rome, just Rome. It stopped being eastern when it became the only part of the empire

Kurds were not majority in east anatolia until the 19th century

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

that is accurate yes, it was very mixed in 1300s

@reconscout2238

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria in 1300s it was mixture of armenians and assyrians with a very small turkcoman minority kurds were only present in wan maybe

@turky6834

Ай бұрын

its not even aatolia but yeah they came into power after ottoman sultans gave them lands to suppress other turkic rebellions.

@SedatGulecoglu

Ай бұрын

@@turky6834 they also gained land after the armenian genocide

@rsatka5726

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoriaPopulation increase of Kurds in Anatolia starts with Safavid-Ottoman power struggle. In order to surpress shia Turkomans, Ottoman Empire supports sunni Kurds. Thats way far away from 14th century.

Thank you ludi for educating me on the name origin of Philadelphia 😂😭 I love/hate how all US place names are old world names

@avantgr

Ай бұрын

Why hate? I absolutely love it. It encourages me to take a look at the original places and their history. The thing I don't like might be "New ***". Like New Jersey or New Mexico.

@g1u2y345

Ай бұрын

Atleast with the US these names are somewhat preserved, while in Anatolia they are forgotten.

@phiscz

Ай бұрын

no i love it. imo the english+greek names like springfield or sparta are definitely overused imo but i'm always a fan of the shittiest little towns just straight up being named 'poland' 'mexico' or 'peru'

@Staszk01

Ай бұрын

@@phiscz I love Kiribati with its Poland, London, Paris and Banana

@Zartzurt-b5x

Ай бұрын

@@g1u2y345they are not, they just evolved according to majority language

Currently I'm living in the city of Philadelphia. It's a nice city we have plenty of archeological sites around here. Shout out to you btw Ludi your knowledge is great!

in old Turkish Töre (Cultural laws) succesion law is "State is property of Khan and his Dynasty members" Murad the first of Ottomans change this law (slightly after the stard date) "State is property of Sultan and his sons". Afterwards Mehmet the Conqueror change this law again "State is property of Sultan" last change is made by Sultan Ahmet in 1600s "Oldest and wisest shall rule" and it was basically end of competent rulers because this geniuses decided that imprisoning the heir candidates is a good idea until they suceded to the throne. They tried to prevent succesion wars but homeschooled sultans was both socially and skilfully weak.

Hopefully the underground cities get some representation

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

that would be cool, maybe as a special building or something?

@badduka198

Ай бұрын

Less population lost when a city is captured and a higher population capacity ​@LudietHistoria

I'm watching your video right now from my hometown, Philadelphia/Alaşehir. I was happy that you talked about my hometown in detail. According to legend, after the conquest, Yıldırım Beyazıt climbed a hill overlooking the city and looked at the city and said, "What a great city (âlâ means beatiful, very good)." Later, the city took the name Alaşehir. According to another rumor, the city was given this name because the stones used in the walls surrounding the city were black and white, thus giving the walls a distinctive appearance (Ala means color consisting of a mixture of several colors, mixed color). Again, after the conquest, Yıldırım Beyazıt had a mosque built in his name in the city, opposite the Saint John church, which is one of the first 7 churches in Asia Minor. The mosque is still in use (it has no historical appearance as it has been renovated too much over the years.) The ruins of the church are open to visitors as a small open-air museum. If you happen to be here one day, I would like to host you. I would like to show you our delicious local dishes, natural beauties and historical places.

@neversarium

Ай бұрын

Ala means the same in Kazakh too

@georgehaveles8511

Ай бұрын

Nice to hear that at least something of the old byzantine world survived in your city brother. Greetings from Athens, Greece

@mustafakoc6823

Ай бұрын

Hey wait a minute, I am living in Alaşehir too. Who the hell are you bro? :D I thought I was the only one who follow this channel

@TinchoFigue

Ай бұрын

Sign me up for the natural beauties 😂

@mustafakoc6823

Ай бұрын

@georgehaveles8511 also you have a district in Athens called New Philadelphia right? Built for the refugees of 1922

Anatolian Greeks largely assimilated and mixed with Turks, and today, Turkish people are essentially descendants of that blend. They are still exist today. Same people genetically.

@kadirbozkus-ss3sm

Ай бұрын

As a Turkish, yes, this is the case for the majority of the population, however; its a bit more complex than that, I myself have around 25% Central Asian DNA.

@turky6834

Ай бұрын

@@kadirbozkus-ss3sm it is not the case for the majority bro it is the case for the very minority of people

@Notphenix

Ай бұрын

​@@turky6834 not according to literally every genetical study on Turkish people

@user-zp9nf5qo8j

Ай бұрын

Anatolian Greeks are just Anatolians who were assimilated by Greeks. Hittites and Lydians, Luwians

@godslayer609

Ай бұрын

No they are not, we have%50 percent Oghuz DNA

I'm Turkish and I would LOVE to see you guys trying to restore the Roman Empire! You can try for FREEEEEEEEE! But please a Varna-like coalition. Anything else would be boring.

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

Ottomans will wipe the floor with everyone. As it should be, it is historical after all.

@Karakanow

Ай бұрын

​@@LudietHistoriaBORING

I love these videos. Makes me really hyped for EU5 and i always learn something new. Thank you Ludi!

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

Technically most of us christians believe that Jesus Christ is fully god AND fully man not 50/50

Great video but I want to point out that Timur did not execute Bayezid, his fate is still unknown (some say he killed himself by drinking the poison from his ring). I'm not 100% sure what exactly happen but as far as I know it was not execution

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

yeah his fate is unknown, but let's face it, executed is a good ending, he could have been used as a sex toy for all we know

@celalal2979

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria I'm not sure about that, I am also a History student and currently I study Eurasian and Near Eastern Intellectuals and Social History, we read a lot of first hand records from the time of Timur. I came across a lot of writings and letters at that time and It points out that both leaders respected each other, even tho they hated each other over some petty leaders around the region that they contested. Although he may have been exectued "secretly" with poison or something but some historians say that Bayezid was already sick and despair got his ass

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

Would love to get my hands on some of these letters and writings if you can share bro, sounds intriguing! I know about the poison hypothesis but wanna see some accounts if you have!

@celalal2979

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria Certanly! Letters are mostly worked by Turkish historians like Abdurrahman Daş, again the account of poisoning is worked by Lutfi Pasha and Asikpashazade. I read them in Ottoman Turkish I'm not sure if they are translated. Johann Schilberg, Ruy Gonzalez, Ahmed Arabshah are all good first hand account at time of Timur. Also I want to say its pretty impressing that you both have Piloting and History education, love that!

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

@@celalal2979 ahahaha I did my history degree when I was 19 but never used it for much, I got my pilot's license when I was 28, much later ^^

It's interesting. Citing a Greek historian as a source and presenting Turkish sources in a biased manner are positive.. Vryonis served as the director of the Alexander S. Onassis Center for Hellenic Studies. It is also known that he is very close to SPGH, Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America and Hellenic Society Prometheas. Heath w. Lowry, Elizabeth A. Zachariadou, Anhony Bryer, Gilles Veinstein, Steven Runciman these names offer a much different narrative of history. Heath w. Lowry's example is interesting because he mentions that when he arrived at his home after receiving threats, one of the FBI officers he encountered said, "If I were you, I would carry a gun." Stanford Shaw's house was bombed. His office was raided several times. Bernard Lewis was brought to the French court. Therefore, if an objective view of history is sought, I think we need to be more careful about issues ranging from bullying in the academic field to physical violence and threats. A hundred more names can be added to the names I wrote. They are also Turkish (!) Or they should forget all this and do what South Africa did and appeal to the International Court of Justice. Even though a hundred years have passed since the events, there is no application yet.The success of their lobby is enough when it comes to narrating history.

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

I fully agree with you. My mention of Vryonis in the video was to point out that Kasper cited him as a source, but what he cited isn't in the book he mentioned. That's why I encouraged people to read the book themselves. Everything he wrote in his post is from turkish sources but he said he got some from byzantine greek fanboys to legitimize his claim. it worked on the forum with people falling for that, but the reality is vryonis doesn't mention any specific numbers in 1337, for that you need to read other books and analyze both sides. Like I said in the video, half the numbers cited by both turk and greek sources, as they would both be biast.

@mrtats6590

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria I agree with your take. What Kasper did at best is a mistake, at worst is being intellectualy dishonest.

Re Palaiologos vs Komnenos, it's worth pointing out that the Komnenoi of Trebizond are the descendents of Andronikos I Komnenos, the usurping, mass-blinding, latin-massacring, familicidal maniac who in the space of a two-year reign managed to conclusively end the Komnenid restoration (and indeed Komnenid rule in the empire proper), create a power vacuum that would continue until the sack of Constantinople, and bring relations with the West to the nadir that led to that same sack. I'm no Palaiologos-stan, but I'm not sure they're the worst of these two evils!

@TrajGreekFire

Ай бұрын

And yet Alexios I was much better than his grandfather

Yeah @Ludi your whole video is a monologue, man! But a nicely executed one. Good work, thank you.

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

Appreciated!

06:10 As far as I know, how Yildirim Beyazid died is up to debate right now. Timurlane didn't execute Ottoman Sultan after his defeat. Beyazid was humiliated and imprisoned for 3 years in Samarkand. His death was either a suicide or poisoned by Timur's orders.

The ones in Lebanon are the Maronites, who are Syriac christians who accepted Chalcedon, but ended up quite isolated in Lebanon in the middle of the wars between the Byzantines and the Muslims, until the crusades when the Catholics arrive. They are a Eastern Catholic church withtheir own Patriarch of Antioch, and they claim to have never broken communion with Rome during their history. I don't know if Paradox is going to make something different to represent them, that could potentially lead to more Eastern Catholic churches, since during EU% period we'll have things like the Council of Florence and Union of Brest, or if they're just going to be catholic like the ones in Europe

Great video as always!!!

Can you share your thesis? Or do a video about it? I think it would be interesting.

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

I can for sure, good idea for a video. Got 2 degrees actually, one in history and another in literature and language with an emphasis on historicity of literary works.

@balsakovacevic8423

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria That would be a nice video. You should consider making a history channel if you think you could make the time for it

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

that was my initial plan with this channel tbh xD

@balsakovacevic8423

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria Makes sense - Games and History

@Cigmacica

Ай бұрын

Ludi lore is expanding

As a fellow historian probably we will never know whole story about Anatolian population %100 but documents of old can always help for most accurate description. As an Turk I would never trust Turkish documents because I know how our historians work and it's generally they take their teachers words as proof and make a decree upon it just saying. Nice video btw and I'm very hyped for eu5 and alternate scenarios we will do about Anatolia.

Ludi as a fellow hisorian i just love it when you spill the knowledge

Awesome one!

my hype for EU5 grows with every video

LOVE you Talking about history, also well told and engaging

Without knowing fuck all about the war, I think for the sake of gameplay the start should be like the 1444 start for france/england in eu4. They're "technically" at war but requires an event to fire for it to escalate.

@saintemz4648

Ай бұрын

After quick read up on wikipedia: Event fired for the byzantine emperor meantime to happen 12 months from start date: Option 1) Lose core to Nicomedia, lose prestige/legitimacy, pay tribute to the sultan and recieve migration from Nicomedia to Constantinople Option 2) Reassert claim to Nicomedia, gain prestige/legitimacy and declare war on the sultan. Option 1 being the closest to history only delayed for gameplay purposes, Option 2 being the option for madlads that are ready to take on the Ottomans despite rebelions raging on in the rest of the empire.

@21:00 not 50/50, but fully human and fully divine. Otherwise, nice video.

@SOL_INVICTVS_123

Ай бұрын

Jup. Wasnt half half. But to be fair, Can see why he had it wrong Shit makes no sense. (in my opinion)

Heya there Ludi! Was your thesis in support of a Master''s degree? Nice to see another higher academia brother out there in history. (Fanboy moment: love your channel)

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

Yes it was! NERDS UNITE REEEEE

@rockaboujaoude399

Ай бұрын

@@LudietHistoria YES NERDS UNITE!! I am defending in two weeks. I really should be practising for the defence, but an EU5 dev diary just came out and I need to listen to one of my favourite KZreadrs correct some historical revisionists XD

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

you got this bro, good luck. Stay calm, sound confident and don't hesitate with your words and you're golden on it!

When Ludi begins by "Remember that I have an History degree" you know the video will be golden

Quality is steadily improving. Listening to your fans, tweaking style ect. Quality video, if I could subscribe twice I would

Anatolia look like a very fun area to play in EU5. As a Turkish of course i will first play Ottomans thinking they give them more flavor than others but will try everything in this area.

You're the BEST!!!!

As someone with a degree in cartography is nice to see a fellow romanian with a degree that loves map games.

I’m actually interested in reading Lidi’s thesis.

This is the official petition to mr. Ludi to ask him to do more historical monologues like that about Philadelphia OR maybe even do a separate kind of videos talking about such interesting events! It would sinergyze with the content and the audience very nicely IMO.

I wonder if you can influence secondary cultures in your empire.

I feel like the Turk population was higher in this period, not eu4 level but its hard to see without seeing the full demographic.

I loved learning about the city of Philadelphia. I had no idea that's where the name came from as an American. And as far Greek culture in Anatolia there was a semi-recent trend on social media where young turks took dna tests and to their dismay found out that a good portion of them were majority Greek heritage. Especially costal areas. I also think that BYZ should start at war, its not certain they'll win or loose and could set up a sort of dynamic swing for how the area plays out.

@Reussi1

Ай бұрын

My Heritage does not identify ancient Anatolian DNA (Hittite Phrygian etc) in its system. For this reason, ancient Anatolian DNA was shared between the Greeks and Western Asia. The most Turkish DNA appears in the West, where there were many Turkish settlements. Turks are mostly a mixture of ancient Anatolians and Turks. not greek

@ChronosHellas

23 күн бұрын

@@Reussi1 Sure, keep believing that. Ignore the giant Greek migrations that occurred from the Mycenaean era all the way to the Greek revolution. Thousands of years of Greek migration are simply wiped away by a small nomadic group. As for the "Anatolian" DNA, you can't even specify which one because once you realize how many nations have passed through Anatolia, you will come to realize that most of the architecture that remains is predominantly Ancient Greek and medieval Greek compared to the "Anatolians." Additionally, some Greek tribes of farmers were originally from Anatolia.

@spacecats2185

12 күн бұрын

@@Reussi1 "For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K = 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42-49), 40% European (95% CI, 36-44), and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13-16), whereas at K = 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35-42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33-38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16-19), and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7-11)." - An NIH Article for the National Center of Biotechnological Information(NCBI)

@Reussi1

12 күн бұрын

@@ChronosHellas Unfortunately, a Greek does not have the privilege of changing scientific facts for his own pleasure. What you wrote is not scientific, it is your own imaginary conclusions. There was no migration to Anatolia from the Mycenaean period until the Greek Revolution. B.C. In the 8th century, there were migrations to the Anatolian coast in the form of colonies. Apart from this, there was no migration. Not a handful of Turks came to Anatolia, but millions of Turks. This migration continued for centuries. Today, it is quite simple to distinguish Neolithic Anatolian DNA. No matter which nations passed through Anatolia, they can be easily distinguished by a quality DNA company that processes ancient DNA. The ancient Greeks did not have Anatolian DNA. During the Byzantine period, the people in Anatolia were Hellenized native Anatolians. Moreover, the architectural works made by the native Anatolians are older than the Greeks. Neolithic Anatolian farmers are not Greek tribes or ancestors of the Greeks, but have different genetics, languages, religions and alphabets. The Greeks were formed as a result of the ethnogenesis of Indo-European immigrants from Central Europe and local Aegean peoples. In this context, Anatolians and Greeks are two separate groups with different genetic and cultural origins throughout history. Although interactions emerged over time, they initially had different origins.

@ChronosHellas

12 күн бұрын

@@Reussi1 The ancestors of the Greek are literally farmers from Anatolia, Jesus Christ you haven’t even studied the pre civilized migrations of the indo-European groups, no wonder you have zero clue what you are talking about, without a single proof to back it up. I won’t even try to go about your “older Anatolian” architecture when most of your popular museums are showing the Greek theaters, churches, gymnasiums, baths, the and the agora’s. Literally all your cities have Greek names Ἄγκυρα, Προῦσα, εἰς τὴν Πόλιν "to the City" (aka Istanbul) εἰς Σμύρνην "to Smyrna, εἰς Μήδειαν "to Nicomedia", εἰς Νίκαιαν "to Nicaea, Ικόνιο, Τραπεζούντα, Κερασούντα, Σεβάστεια, Ριζούντα. I can still keep going but the list is too long, now how many cities have their so called “Anatolian” names?

i rather if they started in peace, just so i can decide if i want to go to war or not

I assume the objectivities of a book written by a Greek and another written by Turkish History Association are similarly questionable. Maybe we can agree the situation was somewhere in the median line regarding the cultural distribution.

@g1u2y345

Ай бұрын

They aren’t similarly questionable. The evidence heavily supports the book rather than what the Turkish History Association says. Like Ludi said, these Greek populations still existed in the 19th century, if the regions were already Turkish in the 1300s, where did the population come from? Just doesn’t make much sense.

@Nathanthebro

Ай бұрын

@@g1u2y345 The rise of the Turks is about integrating the cultures, you can easily see this in the court of Ottomans. Therefore, you guys assume that the Turks are butchered western coast of people and settled down. This is not true.

@kaancelik4168

Ай бұрын

@@g1u2y345 Greeks migrated to Izmır in the 1800s, before that they were a minority, in Izmir. For other Greeks in Trabzon, Karaman, etc. yes you are right.

@g1u2y345

Ай бұрын

@@kaancelik4168 Source for this? I tried finding anything about it and there is nothing. You know Turks used to call the city "Gavur Izmir," you know what that means? I'm sure many Greeks did migrate to the city in the 1800s, but all evidence points to them being a continuous majority in the city all the way until 1922.

@Reussi1

Ай бұрын

@@g1u2y345 Although the Greek population in Izmir was high, it was less than the Turkish population in Izmir. The reason why the Turks call it Gavur Izmir is that all the trade in the city is done by Greeks, unlike the Turks. For this reason, it is called this way among the people.

Didn't expect a bunch of history majors having an essay battle in the forum. Also, how many content creators like Ludi have a History degree?

Hi Ludi, just curious, which Europa Universalis title have you started playing since? What do you think about such apparent move from more "arcade" gameplay to more realistic and simulation one?

10:12 Everyone in Tarsus has an olive tree. Me and my family live in the center of the city, but even we have an olive tree.

Thank you for the video Ludi. The idea of a Hellenized Central Anatolian population assimilating into Turkish culture easier than the coastal Greek population did was very thought provoking. Can you recommend any sources for that?

Funny thing is that kurds didn’t step into Anatolia till the 16th century with the orders of Selim I to suppress the Kizilbas(alevi turqomans.). They’ve became more populated in 19th century Even then it was not a “land culture”. There were just small groups and villages that was limited to cities like Hakkari and Sirnak.

@xeon39688

25 күн бұрын

This is false, Kurds already had Emirates in that region before 1337 hence the big population and the expansion to west of Anatolia started after the battle of Chaldiran

@sumesac7639

16 күн бұрын

there were no kurdish majorities until 16.century​@@xeon39688

@abb8916

15 күн бұрын

Biji kurd u kurdistan her biji pkk

@ludiethistoria thank you for just being great with the historical stuff. As a fellow history degree earner, it drives me nuts when people do stuff like Kaspar did.

I am going to enjoy this game with all these beyliks

Ludi can we please have regular updates about your olive tree

What did Turks expect the region has been Greek since Alexander the Great

@melkormorgothbauglir.4848

Ай бұрын

Some people get angry for the sake of it.

@Tryinis

Ай бұрын

İ dont think many people feel offended or something. İt is history and it is past. We should enjoy the game

@dogukantopal4809

Ай бұрын

Nobody is offended lol. But cultures should be represented correctly like any other region.

@sezginozcann

Ай бұрын

We turks aren't offended by it and we take pride in being able to conquer these lands what we are offended that you guys still claim our lands when its been centuries

@samtheman4931

Ай бұрын

@@sezginozcann no claims your land people are just upset some turks have been actively denying the Greek Armenian Assyrian genocide

As someone who had their history thesis specifically on Ottoman identity, yes, yes this map is just fine

You're being accused of lying by the guy you're criticising. You should go on the forums and defend your name.

Maronites of Lebanon around that time were living in Lebanon/Syria more specifically the Lebanon Mountains & the Orontes River in Syria. Also they were a large population in Aleppo as well as Antioxeia living with orthodox & muslims.

I wonder if Ludi remember all these roman history he's telling us or he just constantly checking his own thesis to make sure, anyway I love these history you gave us Ludi

Also, could you do a video on Turkish culture origins?

It will be so satisfying to make this all Greek, Armenian and Assyrian.

I want there to be an alternative on the main menu to chose at the start of the game to have historical wars active or not.

good video

Ludi area around Antioch at that period must have have a lot of Alawite you forgot.

Ludi what is the laz culture at the top ?

Good video! I think byz and ottto should be at peace but a 100 years war eu4 Maine event should be there to either continue or not the war.

What is the expected release date of eu5 then btw?

Wow Ludi has a history degree in creme ala creme of history!

Wow Olive tree in Japan! I hope it grows beautiful and strong. One of my prefered trees with holly oak or normal oak.

Hey Ludi, around 6:30-ish you guessed that "ogullari" is the way of naming a dynasty in turkish which was correct! It means "the sons of" just like how the vikings used their fathers names like "Ragnarsson." After 2-3 generations turks changed the "ogullari" with just "li-lu." For example Osmanli (Ottoman) Selcuklu (Seljuk Empire) - it basically means "those from Osman/Selcuk(establisher of the dynasty." All the anatolian turks were calling themselves "those from the Baylik Oghuz" before they established their own houses. I don't know if this was originally a turkic tradition because you don't see the turks naming themselves after dynasties and the dynasties after their establishers before they mixed with the persians. Maybe you can do some research about this and find something interesting about it, i always love the small history lessons you give us in your videos!

how hard do you think it will be to play byzantium? I think it will be my first playthrough and probably my first failure lol

To my understanding, in EU4 the ai struggles a bit with being at war on day 1, which is why they moved away from that over time. They might just be trying to avoid having a similar issue. If Byz and the Ottos were to start at war, though, I feel like Nikomedia should start out *occupied* by the Ottomans rather than fully owned by them.

@goldenhate6649

Ай бұрын

Maybe with a code base that isn't well...text documents, they might have better luck.

the first 2 and a half minutes of the video broke my heart

Speaking of ancient city names that the US of A took. Did you know, that within the United States there are two towns very close to each other with the names Rome and Carthage. Found them randomly while playing Geoguessr. Also yo Ludi you got like a small cupboard space that I could move into in Japan, would appreciate.

Ludi, do you agree that Komnenos not only are based, but the whole name is beautiful and nice to pronounce? It sounds epic.

@ChronosHellas

23 күн бұрын

You guys don’t use the correct pronunciation. It’s sounds way better with the correct one.

There are several Kurdish cultures and dialects btw. And there were a lot more Christians in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Iraq than people think in the Middle East until the 14th century at least. Many historians believe these places were majority Christian until the 14th century when the crusades and Mongols pushed Islam and muslim rulers to be a lot more pushy about conversion and religious jurisprudence. Syria, Lebanon and Northern Iraq may have even continued to be majority Christian until the Ottoman pogroms of 1915-1918 while eastern Turkey was did have a qualified majority of Armenians all the way to these same pogroms telling us they were likely an absolute majority in earlier centuries (although difficult to say with the Timurid massacres).

In east blacksea there is no olive production. Hazelnut, tea and especially Trebizond has gold mines.

Oh boy. Speed running historical ottoman expansion in tbis game will be magnificent

Okay Ludi, you asked and you shall receive: My allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy!

I am actually from the original Philadelphia aka. Alaşehir how is it known today. Please come and be ours guests 😁

From your and the Turkish guy's perspective and thoughts on the culture issue, I would say I'm kind of between two of your opinions. I would say that there would be slightly more Turkish people on the Western Aegean Provinces (More of non-coastline provinces) and also the regions of Bursa/Kocaeli. I'm really not too sure but it does need a little change.

Just for the record, Anatolia, up until 14th-15th century were majority Greek and Armenian. Any Turk who claims otherwise doesn't know what he's talking about. The Sultanate of Rum or "Anadolu Selcuklu Devleti" (State of Anatolian Seljuks) as it is called in Turkish nowadays, was called that because the people they ruled over were Romans (Rum = Rome/Roman). In fact, up until 1923 (when population exchange happened) there was a relatively large population of Greeks and Armenians residing in Anatolia still. That said, I object to that map being named "cultures" when it should be "ethnicities". Because culturally speaking Turks were like a sponge. They absorbed the culture of wherever they went and adopted into their own culture. As they passed through Iran, they adopted parts of Iranian culture and language, when they arrived in Anatolia they adopted the Roman culture into their way of life, from language to architecture to military tradition most of what is today "Turkish" is actually an amalgam of Greek and Persian cultures. Even today, despite 200 years as separate countries, Greeks and Turks are basically cut from the same cloth. So it doesn't make much sense to me to separate them. But of course, we are talking about a company who has made the decision to display Azeris as a wholly separate "culture" to Turks. So whatever.

Ottoman snowball will feel even better this time

@tristanridley1601

Ай бұрын

It is a WAY better game to start from a smallish weakish place and take one small advantage and use it to wreck the world. Playing as the existing winners is less interesting.

In EU4 I always go Trebazoid into Byzantium. Despite being a much harder start and it will take roughly 80 to 100 years to take Anatolia and the Bulkans, you will be battling a debt spiral the entire time unless you establish the gold mine early (which you must! I never did until just before I swapped over, I am 6K in debt and it took me till 1626 to form Byzantium because of it), But once you establish control over the whole area your GDP will be high enough that you'll be making 30 to 40 ducats a month and you can consolidate your debt into 6 to 10 loans, at which point the banks won't care anymore due to how good your GDP is, meaning you can take up to 100K loans before you go bankrupt, but still, better to start paying off at this point; The AI will pull silly nonsense to delay you, but once you form, you start is a much more powerful position, you also can immediately reform the Government soon as you form Byzantium, won't start with any negative locked in estate privileges (but for some weird reason they're available to assign); Seems Paradox never thought players would actually pull it off, because they never bothered adding a unique Trebazoid version of Byzantium, nope just the default, with the default mission tree when you form, which is weird because it includes the mission where you get the buff for deposing... yourself but you're still in charge... what? lol. In the process you also finish half the mission tree instantly too. Will have insane buffs for 15 to 20 years out the gate, then you can stomp Venice and whoever else is still around in the area holding territory you're after right away, regardless of the AI pulling nonsense such as hiring 60K worth of Mercenaries (which they often do now). Oh and the Mamluks and QQ (which is often still around with a Treb start) are easily swept aside by you if you ally Ethiopia. The Russians have been notoriously unreliable as an ally in EU4 since patch 1.36, still are to this day. They are constantly in incredibly high debt, so always refuse to help. The best you can do is try to PU them at some point; You do need to ally them and royal marry them or PU them to complete two different mission trees after you finish the Treb mission tree, assuming you flip to Georgia, if not, just for Byzantium. By that point your AI Polish Ally or Hungarian ally will turn on you anyway and you won't need them anymore either. I imagine a 1337 start will be much easier for Trebazoid, assuming your neighbours are more focused on each other instead of forming alliance webs around you to block expansion. (which EU4's AI does now - has done so since 1.34).

Correction: Bayazid was not executed by Timur, he is believed to die either from a posion wich he hidden inside his ring and drank it or died of giref. But yeah... Why the hell would you attack him, THE TIMUR Other then that yeah it happened pretty much as you said

@LudietHistoria

Ай бұрын

yes indeed

I buss every time i see a ludi EU5 video

The suffix “-lar” makes the word plural in Turkish so Osmanoğlu means “son of Osman” and Osmanoğulları means “the sons of Osman”. But i don’t know if they did the same changes in the dynasty names for other countries

Ludi at 21:54 I think the Lebanese Christians you’re thinking of are the Maronites but they are in Communion with Rome at this time so they would show up as Catholic or should at least. This is why I wish that they’ll add Rites in this game to show the different Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic and Protestant Churches. For example the Latin rite, Ambrosian rite, Mezoarabic rite, Sarum rite, Maronite rite, Byzantine rite, and the Rite of Lyon for the Catholic Church

No i agree %100 that ottomans cleaned greeks from asia minor as a Turk. But from having a family from Karamans and forcefully settled to greece (drama,soloniki) at 14-15th centry and my mothers side sent to bulgaria. Greeks and bulgarians did the same while ottomans were declining and forcefully moved turks from balkans in 19th centrury. I went to greece to visit my old village and sadly no one lives there anymore and only old abandoned buildings, because they were massacred and forcefully moved and probably same goes for greeks in anatolia.

Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos died during the siege of Constantinople. So as far as i know palaiologos dynasty didn't subject themselves to the ottomans unti their last breath

@afridge8608

13 күн бұрын

Bro mpes wikipedia. Sta ellinika to arthro den leei tipota alla sta agglika leei. Apla psaje palaiologos kai mpes sto article

22:11 Paulicians, Pavia says it in the desciption...

Were you a history teacher or at least go to the university as a history teacher? I had some history teachers at the university that were really cool like you. There are a lot of fun and made the class humorous

I think E.R.Emp/Byz and the Ottomans should start the game at peace with each other, HOWEVER there should be an event that start a war between them, just like the event "The surrender of Maine" between England and France from EU4.

I hope they add the Iskan policy for the ottomans or other turkish beyliks so it would be easier to change culture in the game compared to eu4. Same thing can be added to greek culture nations via ancient colonizing methods. That would be make the game more fun around anatolia

6:35 Dynasty names in the end of every beylik (oğulları) means "Sons of", for example "Osmanoğulları" means "Sons of Osman"

We need a Ludi lore drop

The problem with the culture system in eu4 is that it's static and you need to give a kidney to change culture in a single province. If they make migarations and assimilations organic it'll be fine.

catalans in anatolia wasn't something i expected to see today