12 Reasons to Be Bullish | TCAF 123
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On episode 123 of The Compound and Friends, Michael Batnick and Downtown Josh Brown are joined by Dan Nathan to discuss: what to expect in 2024, 0DTE options, Tesla fundamentals, GDP growth, the rate hike cycle, the best and worst days for the market in 2023, and much more!
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►00:00 - Cold Open
►05:58 - Markets
►14:23 - Dollar Risk Reversal
►24:43 - Tesla and the QQQ?
►29:30 - Chart of the Year
►30:58 - Rates
►35:02 - Google Bard and AI
►41:38 - 12 Reasons to be Bullish
►57:31 - Apple and the Mag7, can they continue?
►01:08:58 - Warner Brothers and Paramount
►01:12:21 - Favorites
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@andrewjames1719
5 ай бұрын
SO you invite this douche who plays a Bear on cnbc since i started watching in 2005 to talk about bullish scenario.
@certifiedfinest5065
5 ай бұрын
Tesla price is $250 but it’s undergone a 15 to 1 stock split so its actually $3750 and has 15x. This show has become unwatchable due to its misinformation
@nickderbis4104
5 ай бұрын
@@certifiedfinest5065it’s only had one stock split (a 3:1 split on 8-25-2022) since S&P inclusion… not sure where you saw a 15:1 split😹
Dan has been wrong all year 😂
@rossofilmsinternational8625
5 ай бұрын
Lol Correct. He’s a joke . He condescends retail investors also saying ‘ Have at it’. If you watch FAST MONEY on CNBC he’s a joke. The only person that is right on the panel - Tim Seymour
@Jay-jd1bi
5 ай бұрын
Not all year. for many many years
@AHofmann25
5 ай бұрын
That's why he's on TV and not running money.
@DAL201107
5 ай бұрын
@@rossofilmsinternational8625Tom Lee is Dan Nathan’s exact opposite. Tom Lee has been right all year and for the past 4 years to be honest. I could listen to Tom for days. But the CNBC fast money idiots I’ll pass on.
@frankintorcia9946
5 ай бұрын
dude is CLUELESS
Lol you would have lost all your money and missed this whole run listening to this guy
@mattalia1171
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I’ve been thinking that listening to him on CNBC
@social_trading187
5 ай бұрын
He lost his weight, his muscle and he missed the entire rally. Sorry, but the weird biceps flex … my sister has more biceps. He should become a fitness influencer and stop being a finfluencer 😄
@user-qy8bl2hg7o
5 ай бұрын
This guy pisses me off. Every doomer comment he says is without any real factual evidence. It’s all conspiracy theories.
@user-qy8bl2hg7o
5 ай бұрын
If you hate every company with a publicly traded stock so much Dan, why the hell are you in this field at all?
@TT-ei5tq
5 ай бұрын
What chu’mean. Guy Adami a boss! I got respect for Dan, he puts himself out there and has rational pov. Just been wrong for this period of time. That’s why you diversify but okay to lean a little heavy into a thesis. Imho
Congrats to Dan Nathan for getting fit! Thanks to Josh and Michael for what has become my favorite show on KZread and actually one of my favorite shows on any platform. While CNBC cuts to a commercial every 3 minutes, The Compound and Friends is an amazing, uninterrupted, long-form conversational show that always allows everyone to explain their ideas with no network time constraints. Bravo!
@fondofthebonds4914
5 ай бұрын
He took pills to do so lol
@CliffG
5 ай бұрын
@@fondofthebonds4914 Maybe so, but he's adding lifestyle changes to make changes in his health. Once you begin changing one aspect of your life and have some success, it leads to wanting to make other improvements. I did it the old-fashioned way, but whatever it takes is better than dropping dead later in life from a heart attack.
@crohmer
5 ай бұрын
@@fondofthebonds4914 no ...ozempic is not a pill, it is a shot
@HomesonLocke
5 ай бұрын
@@fondofthebonds4914 Yup. Take pills, starve yourself, get noodle arms = FIT!
@MatthewMS.
Ай бұрын
well said
This guy is never right...
@4frmhat
5 ай бұрын
I stopped watching their show and now he is here. Damn.
Dan is a natural bear. He grimaces when Josh lists reasons to be bullish.
@rossofilmsinternational8625
5 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct lol
@rtbull11
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, Dan tends to be a bit bearish.
Batnick did well holding back on Nathan on this ep. Mad respect
@chrisdeantonio1498
5 ай бұрын
So true. He had some great counterpoints but didn’t dig the knife in further. Didn’t have to. Dan is just not credible.
Dan Nathan should be embarrassed on how wrong he has been on Tesla
@user-qy8bl2hg7o
5 ай бұрын
The guy is an a hole.
@SMTraz
5 ай бұрын
He was telling people to fade TSLA at $140! Just as bad with NVDA.
@c.white86
5 ай бұрын
Dan should be embarrassed about how wrong he's been about almost everything this year 😅
@MorbidlyBullish
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@MorbidlyBullish
5 ай бұрын
He’s been wrong since I was a freshman in college. (I graduated 2 years ago)
Dan Nathan was so wrong so many times, I will listen it tomorrow I know it will be fun. May be we see Lebenthal next year on TCAF too
@forestmotoadventures
5 ай бұрын
Bring on “the Farmer 🧑🌾 “
@mustavogaia2655
5 ай бұрын
Mid episode I've noticed that he werent really talking anything. It was not wrong points of view, but once you filtered the back and forth there were no content there. As josh and michael can push the episode forward, one gets the impression that the guest is contributing, but there is nothing there.
Batnick nailed it with his question about time frames and people talking past each other. One of the problems with CNBC's Fast Money is that its not clear who they are talking to. Who is it for? Traders or investors? Retail or professional managers? They should be more clear that patience and DCA is the smartest thing you can do. Timing the market is a losing game.
@Tendomcgoobin
5 ай бұрын
Fast Money is aimed at traders but the problem is they only bring on incompetent nincompoops who suffer no consequence for being wrong.
The opportunity-cost for anyone who listened to Danny Downer over the past year and a half or so is staggering. Pass.
Michael asked Dan the most powerful question of the show as Dan he carried on about some consumer spending NYT headline: “do you have numbers?” Dan: “uhhh…”
Congrats to Batniick for controlling his interruptions.
Dan Nathan is unBEARable
@memumra4
5 ай бұрын
yea, all these friendly quips are fun but the guy destroyed some money for someone in 2023. RIP dan nathan, one of the worst.
@Isaacr90
5 ай бұрын
@memumra4 the industry is full of bears that like to sound smart telling you why the world is going to fall apart, he's by far not the only one. Guy has been just as bad recently and cnbc, etc is full of them
27:19 "And I was dead right on the fundamentals of this company this year..."......LOL!!! Haha, good one!! Dan oh Dan...
“Just keep buying”--I learned that on this show (earlier episode with Nick) Thank you.
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
Nick Colas? Yes? He was great!
If you would have listened to this guy this year you would have made solid 5% from bond 😂😂😂
TL;DR: ..."it's REALLY SCARY..." lol...Dan is one of the best contrarian indicators
@johannjaeger
5 ай бұрын
JFC this is painful to listen to. Throws out negative point gets corrected and says: "yeah ok, it's bullish but.."
Direxion 3x inverse Dan Nathan ETF coming next year!!! Ticker symbol DUM
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
😂
“I find that hard to believe” best line of the pod all year. Thanks MB
Just missing Guy" I've been wrong" Adami , Danny " the Bear' Moses, and Liz" Got it wrong" Young.
Dan Nathan should be an example for useless people. Yes you may be useless now but look at Dan, he made it big so you can too!
Josh and Michael have the best show on KZread or anywhere else IMHO.
@tylerkauffman91
5 ай бұрын
Totally agree
LOL 😂😂😂 Dan is getting so much heat on this comment section. People think he’s a joke. But leave a positive section like “ yeah he’s wrong all the time, but look how healthy he looks now” 🤪
Big shout out to everyone who makes TACF possible, this is one of my favorite podcasts to listen to and I look forward to it every Friday. Appreciate all the hard work and looking forward to some great episodes in 2024
@TheCompoundNews
5 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
The market goes up 70-75% of the time. Being a permabear is just stupid.
My very first stock purchases were back in the late 1970s with Merrill Lynch Pierce Fenner & Smith Inc. Good show as usual.
Tom Lee is the real gangster!
@anoodono1841
5 ай бұрын
But he is right alot!!!
Meanwhile Dan was probably fully vested all year while terrifying new retail traders.
@donyaschuk6538
5 ай бұрын
So bearish and wrong but i remember his call to buy the Q's every day for the 2nd 1/4. Wonder if he did that for him or his customers?
@gregheinhomes
5 ай бұрын
@@donyaschuk6538 I’d expect him to be right about some things. It drives me crazy you have retail traders selling everything because they are terrified after hearing pros. Only they didn’t know those terrifying them are fully vested and buying even more. It’s not right.
Can we please get Ben as a guest one of these days!? Would be a great show 👍
Everyday ,according to Dan , the world is ending .
Thanks so much everyone. Great guest watch Risk Reversal often. Happy Holidays . 👋
They brought the Grinch right before Christmas! 🎄🎅
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
Dan Nathan offers nothing but bearish sentiment EVERYTIME I hear him, no matter what show he is on, and no matter if it's a bear market or bull market. So I'm not sure why this particular show continues to have him on. He doesn't offer ANY hope, ever! Maybe he can talk the market down to ZERO so he can say he was right, then he can find a different career to go be a negative Nancy in.
@timothyha2854
5 ай бұрын
He was mad bullish December 2021 on small caps though 😂
@chrisdeantonio1498
5 ай бұрын
He makes money being that way - not through investing that way, but by being on TV and KZread to be "that guy". It's his schtick.
Season's greetings. I love learning from Compound KZreads.
If you don't have a medical condition and aren't crazy obese - why would you take something that has side effects to lose weight instead of just eating less on your own lol. Its getting crazy when people just want to rely something like this for any issue they have.
A great "year end" show. You guys killed it all year. Great guests, stimulating conversations, and always outstanding subjects covered. Dan was also excellent. His perspective adds a nice balance to DTJB and Michael. Never judge a guest on one year performance but rather look at the sum of his work. Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to TCAF.
Great pod guys. One critique thought, you guys got the AI part wrong. To contexulise what was wrong, the LLMs are training on historical data and it not possible to retrain these large LLMs out of the box. So the way these LLMs do it through Retreival Augmented Generation i.e. they search web data and use the top searches as a context to answer your question. So the question Josh asked probably did not have a well defined web data so AI clearly couldn't answer the question right. Free version of ChatGPT does not have any access to web data. ChatGPT plus has access to web data through a plugin.
Best part when Batnick back his employee right after Bear started to attack when it’s come to work from home.
@sanesanyo
5 ай бұрын
Dan is an entitled douche, male Karen so to speak.
Dan ‘fundamentally right’ Nathan
“Dan’s a fan favorite” meanwhile he just called everyone a sociopath if you tune in at noon to halftime report for a market update. CNBC gotta be pissed
This guy.. No no
Dude Dan has been wrong this entire bull run. Good guy tho
@rossofilmsinternational8625
5 ай бұрын
Lol EVERYONE IS THIS COMMENT SECTION IS TORCHING DAN lol . He’s the worst. Bears like Mike WIlson, and Dan never say I apologize for being wrong. But Tom Lee has to constantly justify his position and apologize. Dan’s comments “Wednesday night Dec 20th, 2023 - It felt REAL “ lol . he’s such a joke ;)
Damn he has been wrong the whole year. And longer. As most bears are. Being this pessimistic is silly.
Thank You everyone for another great year of perspective, humor, and thought! Happy Holidays to all of your team, and all the shows. Looking forward to 2024!
My dad worked for mother Merrill in Beverly Hills for 30ish years. Put 4 kid thru college and retired at 55. I think he was so saddened by Merrills fate. I think Dan is wrong a lot. I sure like him though. But thats why is not good to be wired like a Bear. The market goes up more than it goes down. So the percentages are against you from the outset. Anyway, Merry Xmas! Happy Hanukkah and Happy New Year compound!
Dan Nathan is the type of investor who would rather be right than make $. A good cautionary tale for those people getting started about the power of ego and emotion overriding a framework.
Thank you All so much for a wonderful year. You all are all amazing, Happy Holidays and Happy New Years!!
I’m just starting this….is this guy just going to be bearish the whole time and waste my time or should I keep watching?
Happy Holidays to everyone at The Compound! Hope you all get a break to be with family and friends. Thanks for the great content!
I will be interested in Dan talking about Novo Nordisk / Eli Lily valuations 😂😂.
Josh is the neighbor next door we all want!! Happy new year guys! 🍾
JEWM fucking laughing my ass off. Good shit
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
Josh is right!
Enjoyed listening to you guys all year. Happy Holidays and I wish the best for Oatly next year for Duncans sake!!!
LOVE the show: Happy all the Holidays to TCAF / AS and all you guys! 🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂😊
how does he get so much airtime.
Dan was wrong and this will still be a great conversation. 👍🏽 “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function” F. Scott Fitzgerald
@no_goo
5 ай бұрын
Lol yea, but dan only holds one! I still like listening to his bearish view but him and Joe are too focused on “what if”. Scarcity mindset
did dan just say he was long QQQ all year and TLT ?
@Jay-jd1bi
5 ай бұрын
such a fukkin joke
I'm not sure how you guys could have a more fantastic, useful, insightful, humorous and enjoyable show. Keep it up, and Josh you're great on CNBC - the prefect curmudgeon.
looking for the mentioned links during the show... micheael said we can get them in the show notes... thanks great show
Thanks for another great year of content. Started watching CNBC when I got home from school as kid when they cancelled Toonami (lol), been a finance nerd ever since. Came here for JB a few years ago and have since stayed because of Batnicks' relatability not just in shitty action movie tastes but also personal experience similarities. Hope The Compound and families have a great new year!
Great show. Thank You for always providing great content. Happy Holidays. Have a Healthy, Happy and Prosperous New Year.
Awesome show. Body language and trading floor type talk (but not overwhelmingly) on point. Respect is up there. Fuckin’ Love you super star Downtown Josh Brown. Michael you’re getting there. I appreciate the less is more attitude. The intro to the episode number … please work on it and tone “Episode 123” Ik it’s a short moment but it needs more focus like some radio voice and regular tempo to how it’s said because it’s the intro to every show !
I met Willie Nelson in Hot Springs Arkansas a couple of years ago. He came over to me and my sister and said hi before offering to sign an autograph if I wanted one. I felt wierd about bugging him. He played a couple of songs with the house band and signed a hot chick's boob. He is a genuinely good human being for all his fame.
Thank you for this great year, merry Christmas and best of luck to you in all your endeavours in the year to come! 🙂
I always learn something every show Thank you. Happy Holidays
That weight loss is amazing. He looks so healthy now
@timothyha2854
5 ай бұрын
Been losing all his hair shorting the market though
@social_trading187
5 ай бұрын
@@timothyha2854🤣
@davidwalsh9807
5 ай бұрын
@@timothyha2854hahaha 😂
Dan is always trying to reason away why he’s always wrong .
Dan is a clown, he just said all remote workers don't work.. I love seeing Michael check him.
Thank you Nicole, the show is great ⚡⚡⚡👀💯
Thank you, Josh and Michael. I love the show - and appreciate all that you and team does to inform. Dan, is always great! Enjoy the holidays - and a well deserved break.
@TheCompoundNews
5 ай бұрын
Happy Holidays!!
16:57 that's a helluva callback reference for a financial podcast to have.
LOVE how you open the show. The best!!!
@TheCompoundNews
5 ай бұрын
Love to hear it, thank you!
Thank you gentlemen for a good year of content and entertainment!
Great show as always! Would prefer they not interrupt each other all the time but that's a hopeless request with these guys:)
Young people. Listen to Dan's comment about remote work 50 min in and the response from Michael and Josh. You know where to apply for jobs, and it's not because your lazy.
I think Mr Batnick is right about the market next year. Mkt overheats up 20%. It's all in the charts.
Dan Nathan, fan favorite...Dan, don't read the comment session. LOL.
@sanesanyo
5 ай бұрын
Bear version of fan favourite 😅😅
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol…then Michael proceeds to provide actual data to Dan’s passive investing argument and Dan pivots to CEO’s being too powerful. Man, this guy is a fast talker, which probably sucks a lot of people in, but there’s really a lack of credibility and merit beneath the surface. It’s just lazy bearish commentary.
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
Fast talker and talks out of his a$$
Dan Nathan is never right ever.
@anoodono1841
5 ай бұрын
He bought some f the magnificent 7 this time last year when alot f people were afraid!! Good call
Great EP!! Love this
Super optimistic for 2024. Have to be 100% in stocks and even leveraged
Great show to end the year! Dan is a wonderful guest.
Josh - Waterloo is by far the best flavored water on the market!
1:00:13 great call-out Michael. I love Dan, but he's talking out of his ass sometimes.
@Jay-jd1bi
5 ай бұрын
sometimes?
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
All the time!
Michael was so surprisingly reserved
Here for Dan! 💪🏽
Props to Michael for calling him out. Big respect.
Dan isn’t a fan favorite.
Wow Michael worried about a possible supercharged hot market next year was a great fresh 2024 scenario .
Great show - Never listen to perma bulls OR bears, when they are so dogmatic and dont even entertain an opposite view. You can find data for bulls and bears at this point. #1 Record amount of money on sidelines #2 Creative politicians #3 Bears When this change I might turn bearish
Jon Cryer was Duckie in Pretty in Pink. A classic.
Lmfao, Batnick the self proclaimed "non-permabull" with a low key +20% 2024 prediction
Josh cutting off Dan a ton this episode. Probably for the best but chill bruhhhh haha Happy Holidays !
JEWM Hahahahhahaha!!!!! You are the man JB
@David-xb1ji
5 ай бұрын
😂
This show is so good!
Commenting before i watch cuz i recognize the guest: can't believe i.m gonna watch the peter schiff / kiosaky of stocks. I hope he admits he was WRONG for a whole YEAR.
Dan I think Tim Cook was In Blade Runner
Nabisco face lol
@kimappreciateslife
5 ай бұрын
Josh’s Nabisco face is easier to look at than Dan’s the Ozempic/Wegovy big 👃 face.
Guys, inflation will be higher if oil goes over 100.