"This oven probably has seen more hardware than pizza." Lol

@lorenzocampolucci4464

3 жыл бұрын

@sw4gr1d jokes on you, I usually eat pizza between 1 and 2 time a week, as many other friends do, here in Italy

@yspegel

3 жыл бұрын

What's for dinner today? 11900K Is that with pineapple?

@jeremyhillaryboob4248

3 жыл бұрын

@sw4gr1d I can't speak for other people but I only get pizza once or twice a month usually

@pietrocavicchioli6128

3 жыл бұрын

@sw4gr1d Me as an Italian that lives in Italy (so outside of the USA): "Wuot is dis man traing to sai? I cant anderstand!"

@adamtajhassam9188

3 жыл бұрын

Still unconvinced to buy intel 4 - 40 yrs of lying.

This delidding process is more intense than pushing the Evergreen Ship out of the Suez Canal.

@beck3740

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@ufsteropolstero6014

3 жыл бұрын

+1 for current event reference

@maxrei8786

3 жыл бұрын

I'm confused. Is it called Evergreen or Ever given? I've read both names in news articles several times now.

@alpha007org

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxrei8786 I think Evergreen is the company and all ships are named Ever+ ***.

@alpha007org

3 жыл бұрын

Ohh boy, such a rarity underwent a torture. When I saw delidding process my skin crawled. But little that CPU knows, true Torture didn't even start... :) As of this writing, true torture is happening at this moment...

My stomach turns every time I see him pushing that razor blade with so much force, right at his fingers....

@jm061088

3 жыл бұрын

Ugh...I’m a chef and I was just thinking the same thing. In fact, I’ve cut my fingers so many times over the course of my career I could feel the pain of the razor blade cutting my fingers after slipping off the die just from watching the video.

@vladmihai306

3 жыл бұрын

not everyone is clumsy

@rabidbeaver167

3 жыл бұрын

How not to hold tools. Jesus get a holder and push it away with your thumb.

@pilot554

3 жыл бұрын

fingers will grow up, cpu won't xD

@thedeegee1601

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man tell me about it. I had a very deep cut in my left finger about a year ago when trying to flushcut a cable tie... yeah i know, why not buy a knipex flushcutter... well did since then :P

That was unexpected. Indium's thermal conductivity is 81.8 W/(m·K) while Conductonaut's is 73 W/m·K. Intel used too much indium for soldering or that isn't pure indium, it's a alloy.

@FakeMichau

3 жыл бұрын

You can see there's a lot of indium there

@r100curtaincall

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I highly doubt that it’s pure Indium. It’s almost certainly an alloy. it probably has some tin and other things in it.

@anthonypugliese7340

3 жыл бұрын

I reckon the glue being removed and reducing the height made the difference.

@pavel2058

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonypugliese7340 That probably made half of the difference. The indium really do be thicc.

@Bourinos02

3 жыл бұрын

There is no chance that this much temperature difference can be explained by difference in thermal conductivity, there must be something else at play here.

Thanks for the English video on this. I really appreciate your work and love being able to watch without subtitles. Your vids are are worth a watch even if I have to read subs, but still appreciate it so much.

@TheStigma

3 жыл бұрын

+1 on this. It must suck to have to make videos twice - but it is greatly appreciated.

@brandonlittle6444

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheStigma Smart people can accept that English is a more universal language than German.

@billschannel1116

3 жыл бұрын

For me it's a deal breaker due to an accessibility issue.

@Depl0rable10

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonlittle6444 yes but it doesn't mean that as an English speaker we are entitled for everything to be in our language and he is correct in that it is more work to record for 2 languages

@r3conwoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonlittle6444 "Smart people can accept that English is a more universal language than German." *laughs in Chinese*

14:57 Roman resells his girlfriend's nail polish as *_Thermal Grizzly TG Shield Conformal Coating_*

@Varad13Plays

3 жыл бұрын

I read roman as rusian and I think that's more fitting 😂

@monotrope

3 жыл бұрын

Lol ya and it's pretty damn pricey too. They aren't shy to advertise it as a nail polish as well XD. Any idea what nail polish it is?.

@heyarno

3 жыл бұрын

@@monotrope Judging by the bottle, it's Laura nail polish from Netto. Pretty much the cheapest you can get in Germany. It works well though, even for higher voltages.

@noodled6145

3 жыл бұрын

@@heyarno Netto 😂

@churblefurbles

3 жыл бұрын

lol, also useful for painting usb cable ends if you have a ton and don't want to guess at a rats nest.

The English word you were unsure about for the measurement device is either caliper or micrometer 😁

@Metalhead-4life

3 жыл бұрын

Micrometer

@redjaypatalinghug1090

3 жыл бұрын

Vernier caliper?

@Matpermad

3 жыл бұрын

Micrometer sir. A caliper is a totally different instrument. It measures exterior, interior and depth. Where the micrometer only measures interior, but it's more precise

@horrormoviemaker1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matpermad micrometers primarily measures the exterior but depth micrometers are also available

@Matpermad

3 жыл бұрын

@@horrormoviemaker1 you are right, but either way, they are not Calipers for sure. Those are 3 in 1, less precise and completely different LOL

I had to check the cat for breathing haha. Staying so still between shots. What a pro and a cutie

Looks to me that indium solder is too thick, so that it introduces additional thermal resistance. Otherwise it's a miracle.

@Appri

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Indium looks a lot thicker than prior videos on delidding, but 12 degrees from that?!? practically unbelievable! The only other thing I can think of is that part of the indium wasn't making good contact, or the indium his cpu had had a ton of impurities.

@pavelgorlachuk1460

3 жыл бұрын

@@Appri At this point the major hardware channels should employ a proper engineer/scientist who would be able to solve the 1d heat transfer equation. Because intel doesn't care and needs to be blamed for this.

@Appri

3 жыл бұрын

@@pavelgorlachuk1460 I believe this is an issue of manufacturing tolerances being ignored, like they have the technology to set the die tolerances to the nanometer but ignore tolerances on the iHS.

@Depl0rable10

3 жыл бұрын

@@Appri tbh would you be more interested in a "7nm cpu!" or a "Smaller manufacturing tolerances in the contact distance between the IHS and CPU dye" when reading marketing material? Lol

@BITCOIlN

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say it's a miracle!

Just the courage at 8:54 deserve my thumbs lolol omg...

@Acenis

3 жыл бұрын

He has a lot of money and those cpus aren't even good. It's not like it's his personal gear or rare stuff. When you spend month wage doing this, that is real courage.

@Lisa_Minci96

3 жыл бұрын

Well the tool is designed to do just that isn't it?

@maicondouglas8047

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lisa_Minci96 yeah, the tool was, but the processor...

@BITCOIlN

3 жыл бұрын

@@Acenis Yeah it's like for a normal person risking 5 bucks CPU and getting few times more the money from content.

That Indium solder looked as thick as a 0.020" / 0.508mm copper sheet, so 10-12°C seems right. Good work Roman !

@Cinnabuns2009

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he measured the inner depth of the IHS. That would tell you the solder layer thickness. But that should be the same as the Conductonaut minus the black RTV they use to stick it down

Beautiful cat!

As always, an interesting video not mere tests like the other channels do) thank you!

@georgemartinezza

2 жыл бұрын

and so? happy with the show? useless experiments. fine and good for fun and entertainment,

And this is the reason why I love to watch his videos. Even tought something looks awesome, always question your results. Even better by asking to see more results. Top one Roman!

Pure quality content as always. Cheers. Looking forward to the next video. 12 degrees is like the original de-lidding from 7th gen.

Gigabyte shooting out auto voltages that can almost kill new CPUs. Awesome.

@Outland9000

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, is that deliberate?

@Acenis

3 жыл бұрын

Well those cpus are doa anyway lol. Ideal voltage for those few months stop gap until 12th gen.

@Outland9000

3 жыл бұрын

@@Acenis Socket 1700 will be a thing before the end of the year. 11th gen seems like a bit of a pointless endeavour to me.

@Acenis

3 жыл бұрын

@@Outland9000 Yeah that's what I meant. Voltage gonna kill them in time for 12th gen.

@haukionkannel

3 жыл бұрын

The 11900k only has to last 6 month until alder lake is release, so using CPU killing voltages is just fine ;)

Really appreciate you doing these videos in English as well, danke from AU

Very thorough. Great vid

Wow very interesting, and super thanks for the video in multiple languages!

Thanks for taking the risk to show these results. Look forward to the direct die test.

It's good to see Sheik is doing well after that fall!

Definitely surprising, looking forward to seeing what it can do on the EK TEC :D

I didn't even notice the cat until the end of the intro lol that's awesome

@brickviking667

3 жыл бұрын

Ha. The cat was the very first thing I saw.

Very interesting, thank you for posting this. The tool you used to measure the die width is called a micrometer in English

I have never seen anything like this before, and didn't know that it could even be done! Really interesting, and I enjoyed the running technical comentary on the process. I wish my German was as good as this guy's English!

Omg insane amount of force needed for delidding

nice work, fun video!

Very nice video keep good work videos buddy

Back when I had a 7700k Delidding took me from 87-89°C highs to 65-67°C after going from stock TIM to Conductonaut. I even have the results logged it's insane.

I couldn't watch that part. I closed my eyes when you cleaned the solder with the razor, man one slip of the blade and your thumb and index finger would have battle scars.😄

I am a simple man with simple tastes, I see a cat in the tumbnail and I click.

Well done!

awesome video ,thanks for sharing

Actual content!!!!!!

I was like man this guy is so confident in this process. Then I realized it's Der8auer himself

Damn! Was thinking you've had the two cores growing back!!

Love the cat

The der8aulls on this guy. Hefty clackers, still very interesting content.

cool. thanks for the video

Nice cake you baked there bruv

This oven has seen more hardware than pizza.... I died xD

from the enginiers of the intel termal paste, now on the 11th cpu generation the indium alloy. Feel the emotion of change it for liquid metal and get 12c° cooler again

What you used today to measure the height difference is a micrometer. Great video!

Intel should have spent all this 11th Gen porting/marketing money on cutting the prices of the 10th Gen and then bring Alder Lake as quickly as humanly possible.

@Exyvia

3 жыл бұрын

Rocket lake was more an R&D expense for Intel, the knowledge from the engineering side is probably worth it and selling the product would recuperate a little.

Roman, that tool is called a Micrometer. My-Crom-E-tr

@GLITCH_-.-

3 жыл бұрын

Not Mi-Cro-mE-Ter? (I assume the capital letters are for emphasis)

@mdd1963

3 жыл бұрын

@@GLITCH_-.- my-CROM-itr

@GLITCH_-.-

3 жыл бұрын

@@mdd1963 my-chroME-iter?

@mdd1963

3 жыл бұрын

@@GLITCH_-.- the mot common American pronunciation is my-KROM-itr...(emphasis on KROM)

@GLITCH_-.-

3 жыл бұрын

@@mdd1963 Well, americans also pronounce meter as "three feet" and kilometer as ".7 miles". They're just always wrong with their pronunciations. The word micrometer is clearly, logically and intended to be a combination of "micro" and "meter".

I love your videos!

Honey, what do we have for today's dinner. Something special baby, 11900K! xD

Thanks OC daddy

It's a Micrometer, in english.

I just made a conclusion tech tuber who have a cat are the only tech tuber you can trust.

12c is a massive improvement... I wonder is the indium thicker? Maybe lower quality??

One hell of a job!..

"this oven has seen more hardware than pizza" lmao

I'll be honest, I only clicked on the video because I saw the cat

13:51 measurement device = fixture Great video!

awesome!....... So happy my 5600x only uses 65watt tho

@b0sNukeEM

3 жыл бұрын

Happy with my 5800x aswell, marginally better r20 scores but less than half the wattage of this 11900k... Intel needs to do better!

Little fan is for Aquantia 10Gbit Lan, but it also cools VRMs cause it's right beside them.

The fact that delidding has such a huge impact tells you all you need to know about intels current state. I do hope they get their shit together next Gen.

@jasonkay9345

3 жыл бұрын

Intel got complacent, and AMD took advantage. Intel is still being complacent, though, and it seems that they havent REALLY learned from being usurped. Not that I am complaining.

@emma70707

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seems like this gen is just being sold as a "well, we have it so might as well". Probably next gen as well, but I'm hopeful it Intel will be competitive after 2022. (It takes much longer than a year or two for their investments and new hires to play out in production.)

it will be more interesting to see the results on 11600k and how much advantages it can offer for an itx buld and low profile cooler.

Спасибо за разбор,ты лучший в своем деле)

That temp delta reminds me of my old 8700k :)

Knowing Gigabyte, that's probably a chipset or VRM cooling fan, they like to put those little screamers on their high-end motherboards for that kind of purpose lol Happy midweek Roman

Bizarre results, now we need more delids for verification :D

I'm half a year late but finally retiring my 5820k today for one of these with the MSI Z590-A Pro, hoping for a huge upgrade, but can't decide on doing a delid

wow！mitutoyo， nice mic

You da man Deadbauer! 😂😁

Just curious, why not heat the CPU first, before applying the delidding tool? It seems like the Indium releases quite easily once heated, and then it wouldn't take so much force with the tool. Is it because of the risk of the die separating from the substrate? Also same for removing the Indium from the die. Why not heat it and remove it when still hot?

@pavel2058

3 жыл бұрын

You first need to loosen the silicone from the IHS/PCB, which is what he has done when he put it in his delid-die-mate. I don't think he would have much luck with a razor blade due to the transistors and the fact that soldered cpus won't flex and make way for the blade, as the solder still hold it tightly in place.

@Appri

3 жыл бұрын

@@pavel2058 Adhesive always releases better with heat. Oven first would make it a lot easier since the glue will expand, and when it contracts again it loses some of it's integrity. However, when heated, all the other components on the cpu are in danger of falling off, which is probably why he didn't heat it up first.

Sleepy cat.. sleepy cat.. sleepy 😺.... 😍😍🥰

Damn that is one sick oven i wish i had one you could set the temp digitally

Roman it might be worth sending the indium to a testing lab to see its thermal conductivity the alloy might be able to handle less heat the than Liquid metal

Nice vid

Thank you Roman! Always appreciate your English videos. The temperature reduction is impressive, but the chip’s performance is almost laughable. My 5900hs low voltage laptop chip is getting close to 90% of cinebench score shown here.

Great video idk how over never seen you before. Great edits . Also ty for making this content . I had exact same issues u have .. with z5 board the 11th gen memory controller just wasn’t working . Xmas didn’t even work otb . Bios update fixed everything . This was the msi z a pro budget z . After update I no longer hate the board . The Intel gen does not like over clocking so far I’m having bad luck. I theoriszed the larger back die more surface area better oc . I wonder if the issue may be with the stupid igx. Despite igx probably going to be a option for a lot of people right now

I just built a 10900kf a couple weeks ago, and I am fully stable for multiple runs of cinebench with 5ghz on all cores using a 240mm radiator and voltage exactly where yours is at. I was hoping for a bit faster but the stability doesn't seem to be there, maybe if I delided like you did I could actually push it faster, but im too scared to do it x.x

I think reason is the die area, it is much bigger , you applied much better conductor on much larger space .

i gained the same temp on my 10900k i now have direct die and hover between 68-78c at 5.4ghz 1.395v

i would love to see a delid with thermal pad's. can you make a video about ?

8:49 😂 Great vid.

der8auer hitting the gym I see

8:30: Me- "good God, you're going to break it."

@tvardy00

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that's kinda the point

@Der8auer your "measuring device" is a micrometer.

No way I'm doing that (even if I bought an 11900 ... which aint gonna happen), with that much torque on a wrench. I physically and unconsciously squealed, the wife thought I was in pain. And that was surprisingly cool, looking forward to someone else doing it. Roman, ya gotta do the direct to die with this.

That CPU block looks hella nice

Just to let you know, it should be rather easy to resolder on those surface mount components.

my 10900k with rockitcool ihs, lapped, with LM on both sides does 5.3all core at 1.385v and doesnt exceed 90c with arctic 420aio. around 325-330w. also, instead of using a gasket maker to glue it down i used kingpin thermal grease to grab heat from the pcb as well.

Awesome.

very interesting.

Sad part is as much as these flagship CPUs cost, this should already be done at the factory. You shouldn't be able to tell a bit of difference by doing this. Thank you for the video as always you're smarter than the manufacturer. 👍

@nexxusty

Жыл бұрын

Well, what's the fun in that!?!?

13:51 It's called a micrometer or fully a "micrometer screw gauge".

well, taking in account the difficulty of the delidding process itself. If you have good soldering equipment, smd removal alloy and good soldering skills. It would be very easy to first remove the smd components, usually just some capacitors, one by one, recoding location of each component, then delid without a worry and place the components back into the original location afterwards.

I love your cat☺️

The measuring tool you are using is called a Micrometer

I never thought that a cat vidio could bring so much useful info...

How do the forces compare: - glue shift force - lid solder shift force - die on the interposer shift force ?? It looks so terrifying to slide the soldered lid without heating it, can't believe that die-interposer soldering is that strong.

I don't even need to read anything, and the very first words tell me, that you are a native German speaker XD And das is sehr good, weil I mag the Klang of deinem accent XD P. S. Super spannender Prozess, vielen Dank!

@Krutonium

3 жыл бұрын

If you're curious he also has a channel where he edits these videos but speaking German.

You should try putting a previous generation Intel cpu heatsink and record the results. I think that would make an interesting video, might give some perspective into this higher then expected results here.

holy shit thats insane

I think it was because he put quite a bit of liquid metal on the die so it made better contact and had better thermal transfer

I love watching Deliding videos. I delid all my cpus. And love to watch Roman delid special cpus.

@mojeimja

3 жыл бұрын

So, how many are died of delidding and how many survived?

@Delistd

3 жыл бұрын

@@mojeimja 4 Went perfect, 1 Died. It was 7900x, so yeah, expensive mistake.

@mojeimja

3 жыл бұрын

@@Delistd ouch!

You lured me in with the kitty, but I stayed to watch the whole delidding process. It's pretty cool, but I'd never try it. It's a very high risk - low reward situation.