'11 Ferrari California to be a daily driver. CAR WIZARD checks customer's new buy! Is it road ready?

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Cars are meant to be driven, and this customer strongly believes in that. He plans to daily drive his new-to-him 2011 Ferrari California. Before he starts, he's asked the CAR WIZARD 🧙‍♂️ to check it out and make a few repairs.
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  • @zollotech
    @zollotech Жыл бұрын

    Never understood why many dont like the California. They look great (especially in that spec) and sound great.

  • @Mandurath

    @Mandurath

    Жыл бұрын

    Don't think its a case of dislike, but more the idea or reputation. Similar to the early BMW M3's that were automatics. They were labeled as trophy wife cars. The same with these. I've heard them called trophy wife cars or similar. Which imo is wrong, as its a good looking and sounding car. Along the lines with Miata's. Despite being such a good car, the label will probably always be there.

  • @tim3172

    @tim3172

    Жыл бұрын

    Masculinity like a Fabergé egg

  • @kavinskysmith4094

    @kavinskysmith4094

    Жыл бұрын

    V Dub in the HAUSE yo, the first ones looked like Karmann Ghia's and had transmission troubles I remember, they didnt shift well, and they just looked nothing like a ferrari should look, like some idiot from lamborghini came by and thought lets make one of their actually good looking italian cars, look german. thankfully they fixed and they dont look that bad now, but when you use the name of a legendary car for your car, you better measure up and the first ones didnt granted no where near the scale of fail that that new countach knock off is however, like 3.2 million for a car that looks like a mclaren that you could do way better yourself with a 350K bodykit on a 550K car.

  • @ryang7720

    @ryang7720

    Жыл бұрын

    Bc it's an absolute pile of garbage and looks cheap af too.

  • @kavinskysmith4094

    @kavinskysmith4094

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HOBOLOCO13 whooptie god damn do kid, now piss off lol

  • @davidedgar3509
    @davidedgar3509 Жыл бұрын

    When you said a good customer, I instantly thought of Hoovie. Then you said it had only minor issues. Nope, not a Hooptie vehicle.

  • @howardbartlett3026

    @howardbartlett3026

    Жыл бұрын

    Being a Ferrari it is probably Tavarish 😉

  • @randommisshaps7

    @randommisshaps7

    Жыл бұрын

    @@howardbartlett3026 Nah, it hasn't been on fire

  • @davidedgar3509

    @davidedgar3509

    Жыл бұрын

    @@howardbartlett3026 Tavarish is in Florida and the Wizard in Kansas. I don't think Freddie would travel that far for a with Ferrari minor issues. He'd try to do it himself with help from Jared. And they would find a way to make it worse.

  • @lazydadsgarage

    @lazydadsgarage

    Жыл бұрын

    @@howardbartlett3026 unlike Hoovie, Freddie actually works on his stuff

  • @howardbartlett3026

    @howardbartlett3026

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lazydadsgarage Well aware of that. Tavirish is how I discovered Hoovie and Car Wizard.. Ed Bolian is how I discovered Tavarish. It seems that either you haven't seen the Car Trek Ferrari 308 episode or have no sense of humor. Who knows maybe both. 😉

  • @kerrylewis2581
    @kerrylewis2581 Жыл бұрын

    Thank the owner for allowing us to check out this fantastic automobile.

  • @victorvaca7429

    @victorvaca7429

    2 ай бұрын

    he probably already did in person.

  • @gpaje
    @gpaje Жыл бұрын

    I'm normally a red Ferrari guy, but that is a good looking spec. People didn't like the California because it was maybe more a Maserati in terms of certain components, too soft, etc. But I would love to have one.

  • @Shortorderboy1048

    @Shortorderboy1048

    Жыл бұрын

    The people who don’t like it also can’t afford it

  • @dericanslum1696

    @dericanslum1696

    Жыл бұрын

    ...same...hell of a GT car...

  • @VanquishMediaDE

    @VanquishMediaDE

    Жыл бұрын

    It is based on the Gran Turismo/Quattroporte (Gen 5) platform.

  • @gpaje

    @gpaje

    Жыл бұрын

    @@VanquishMediaDE I read further that it was originally going to be a Maserati project, but realized the costs were too high, so they made it a entry-level Ferrari. But Lambo uses a lot of Audi platforms, so don't really have an issue with it myself.

  • @amanwithaplan4103

    @amanwithaplan4103

    Жыл бұрын

    I still think this is one of the most gorgeous Ferrari’s ever made.

  • @johnnyjames7139
    @johnnyjames7139 Жыл бұрын

    I am 73, I have always been forced to drive something practical. I love this!

  • @russelljacob7955

    @russelljacob7955

    Жыл бұрын

    Only means you know that practical doesnt mean it isnt enjoyable! I have hard lesson learned that trading a bit of extreme for practicality lets me have a lot more fun actually driving.

  • @tomhorst7614

    @tomhorst7614

    Жыл бұрын

    It's your turn Johnny!

  • @ceylontea5877

    @ceylontea5877

    Жыл бұрын

    We all should buy Ferrari coffee mug!

  • @oldrrocr

    @oldrrocr

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too. but I would have to give up at least 2 cars and I love those too.

  • @scottroberts7463
    @scottroberts7463 Жыл бұрын

    Love that the owner plans to daily drive it. So many of these cars spend their time under a car cover slowly leaking oil onto the garage floor.

  • @ajvot71
    @ajvot71 Жыл бұрын

    That’s a true GT car. Perfect for a long drive in comfort and style.

  • @hotkarlwithakay
    @hotkarlwithakay Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy when the wizard throws shade to all the "Bros" watching. Cracks me up! More please

  • @54FLEX45

    @54FLEX45

    Жыл бұрын

    Would anyone owning a mustang, Camaro not take this instead though? C’mon.

  • @CouchMan88

    @CouchMan88

    Жыл бұрын

    @@54FLEX45 I’ve seen enough of Wizard’s videos to know I don’t want to own an Italian super car. I would like to drive one but not necessarily own one. If I had a Jay Leno garage and his money then maybe I’d have a few in the garage for sure 😂

  • @R3TR0R4V3

    @R3TR0R4V3

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CouchMan88 agreed 100% no thanks, bro. 😅

  • @TNels

    @TNels

    Жыл бұрын

    Wizard must've had a Mustang Bro piss him off lately. Haha

  • @OverTorque_Racing

    @OverTorque_Racing

    Жыл бұрын

    I’d rather have something I can do the work on myself at half the price with parallel performance. No offense to the exotic “bros” but I’ll hang on to the Vette, built by a fat guy named Bob from Kentucky.

  • @xxviper45xx60
    @xxviper45xx60 Жыл бұрын

    He showed how the top works, and I legitimately chuckled. That's the most awesome thing I've seen all year.

  • @riccochet704
    @riccochet704 Жыл бұрын

    Nothing says Ferrari like a radio from a late 2000's Jeep.

  • @vickimcintosh3004
    @vickimcintosh3004 Жыл бұрын

    So nice to see you and Mrs. Wizard... just wanted yall to know, I am always watching the videos and it's so good to be able to see you.

  • @PieterBreda
    @PieterBreda Жыл бұрын

    Your client actually likes cars instead of just having one for the status.

  • @Jmdp.94
    @Jmdp.94 Жыл бұрын

    This is a very gorgeous car! I don't understand why is it so unloved by many

  • @04dram04

    @04dram04

    Жыл бұрын

    Because its built like a cheaper Maserati instead a more premium Ferrari. But I personally like it.

  • @dzikijohnny

    @dzikijohnny

    Жыл бұрын

    They made over 17,300!!! I wish people would stop saying that stupid thing that people did not like them.

  • @ke0kie

    @ke0kie

    Жыл бұрын

    The couple of cali owners I know have been hit by big transmission failures / bills which left a bad taste...that is to say if that's the experience why not instead go for a proper mid-engine / flagship model

  • @dzikijohnny

    @dzikijohnny

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ke0kie Every model has had huge bills. Are you saying a 599 V12, 812 V12, Roma etc aren’t proper Ferraris? Remember that the company started with front engine exclusively.

  • @Alegrus375

    @Alegrus375

    Жыл бұрын

    Likely because it’s front engined.

  • @sameebah
    @sameebah Жыл бұрын

    Well done, that owner. Enjoy it as much as possible - that's what cars *should* be for.

  • @maximeparent3004
    @maximeparent3004 Жыл бұрын

    This car was on one of my walls during high school, i was (and still is) in love with the exterior design, especially these rear hips. Also, the last Ferrari offered with a manual transmission!

  • @russellhammond4373
    @russellhammond4373 Жыл бұрын

    That is about the cleanest engine bay I've seen on your channel. Lovely car too.

  • @KnightIndustries572

    @KnightIndustries572

    Жыл бұрын

    18,000 miles in 11 years and is undoubtedly always garaged, it would want to be clean! My 2012/13 Lexus IS with the equivalent of 58,000 miles is just as clean if not cleaner ;-)

  • @talosiv4927
    @talosiv4927 Жыл бұрын

    This car is absolutely beautiful, and I love your Ferrari enthusiasm, Wizard! Thanks for sharing, as always!

  • @Dakiraun
    @Dakiraun Жыл бұрын

    Whoa... agreed - that is one of the coolest convertibles I've seen topping and untopping itself.

  • @JohnnyRoyalIsHere

    @JohnnyRoyalIsHere

    Жыл бұрын

    The E89 BMW Z4 has the same mechanism for $80k less.

  • @Dakiraun

    @Dakiraun

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JohnnyRoyalIsHere Not that it matters either way - well outside what most of us can ever afford.

  • @tongjunjuan7612
    @tongjunjuan7612 Жыл бұрын

    hi car wizard , hello from singapore, love your video for it's honest and hard truth on car brands, hope you could do "buy this not that' on "SUBARU" one day :) looking forward to more content ;)

  • @nicholas440
    @nicholas440 Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact, the radio is a Chrysler radio. Same unit found in my 09 Chrysler 300

  • @davetaylor812
    @davetaylor812 Жыл бұрын

    it is drop dead gorgeous I bet it goes around bends better that those muscle cars you mentioned.

  • @nucleargrizzly1776
    @nucleargrizzly1776 Жыл бұрын

    Daily driver? What does he think that is? A Porsche? 😁😁😁

  • @stephenlepore4476
    @stephenlepore4476 Жыл бұрын

    awesome man! thanks!

  • @wotrulke5868
    @wotrulke5868 Жыл бұрын

    Great car Mr Wizard I love the colour combination 😍 that folding roof looks very complicated 😮 hope it stays good 👍🏼, thanks for sharing guys 👏🏼👏🏼

  • @mattjwayad9639
    @mattjwayad9639 Жыл бұрын

    Love the tighter opening sequence in this video.

  • @emmanyoul
    @emmanyoul Жыл бұрын

    The California is slept on for no reason. I would still buy one to this day even over the California T. This one is just special and looks amazing especially when specced right. On Top of that it’s a steal compared to other cars in its price point

  • @31dknight
    @31dknight Жыл бұрын

    another great video from the wizard. thanks

  • @DEEuroworks
    @DEEuroworks Жыл бұрын

    Very cool California, looks great. I worked on one not long ago, there is video of it on my channel. Thanks Wizard for showing.

  • @crumbss1
    @crumbss1 Жыл бұрын

    Great content. Own a Cali myself. Car is fantastic. BTW, audio controls on the back side of the steering wheel.

  • @Isalei84
    @Isalei84 Жыл бұрын

    So that you know some insights, Michael Schumacher himself took part of the development and testing of the Cali. Ferrari exposed it in its "Timeless masterpieces" exhibition at the Ferrari Museum in Maranello among the most iconic models designed. The V8 engine is also exposed at the Enzo Ferrari Museum in Modena, like an art piece. Some people used to hate it when it was presented and while in production, usually haters who could not afford and owned something else, or some Ferrari "purists" who didn't know much about Ferrari history (full of grand tourers with front engines) who complained a bit because of its concept. Not anymore. Now, it is appreciated a lot, more and more overtime, thanks to Pininfarina's timeless design and the glorious sound of one of the last naturally aspirated V8. A true Ferrari, no doubt, to whom that know a bit about Ferrari and how the Cali was developed.

  • @lirr408
    @lirr408 Жыл бұрын

    Nice car. I can not wait to see the progress with the bus. The bus, the Chevelle, 100 Percent Jake's "new" BMW and Weird Beard's 72 Fury are my favorite projects to see progress.

  • @garyvanremortel5218
    @garyvanremortel5218 Жыл бұрын

    Love the twin NACA ducts in front of the diff.

  • @bradfordbarrettluckotheIrish
    @bradfordbarrettluckotheIrish Жыл бұрын

    Nice one CW! Greetings from CA!

  • @braxtonnelson7422
    @braxtonnelson7422 Жыл бұрын

    I'm still amazed that the Wichita, Kansas area seems to be such a hotbed of exotic automobiles!

  • @TNels

    @TNels

    Жыл бұрын

    There's a lot of aerospace in that region.

  • @scotthull2141
    @scotthull2141 Жыл бұрын

    wow, thatz clean! thnx for sharing

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL Жыл бұрын

    -I have the valve "pinned" on the exhaust on my '14 Cayman S. "Pinned" means I have had the Cantrell exhaust mod done with basically modifies the base, stock non-valved exhaust to be loud the full time.

  • @theREALnizzle
    @theREALnizzle Жыл бұрын

    I believe the lyrics are “California knows how to party.” But close enough I guess 😆. The wizard can do no wrong in my opinion

  • @bdsouza1977
    @bdsouza1977 Жыл бұрын

    A buddy of mine got a California 2 yrs ago...to daily drive...good video.

  • @Joe_CT
    @Joe_CT Жыл бұрын

    Hopefully you do a follow up video on this one and do some filming along the way!

  • @czechmate6916
    @czechmate6916 Жыл бұрын

    Don’t you know that a lot of thought process went into the making and functioning of the top. That’s so cool 😎

  • @conner768
    @conner768 Жыл бұрын

    thats a gorgeous car. the chrysler infotainment screen really displeases me though lol, same interface as my dads 2011 Chrysler 200s

  • @lesklower7281
    @lesklower7281 Жыл бұрын

    A very nice Ferrari and the interior red leather everywere and the quilting on the seats so so classy as for the roof a show in itself never get tired of that

  • @mattfarahsmillionmilelexus
    @mattfarahsmillionmilelexus Жыл бұрын

    That is a cool looking car, the styling is just right.

  • @christopherkelly577
    @christopherkelly577 Жыл бұрын

    That's a slick specification

  • @duncangrainge
    @duncangrainge Жыл бұрын

    Very cool. Need your Honda Shin Etsu grease on that roof mech and seals ✌️

  • @michaelfriend3990
    @michaelfriend3990 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Wizards!

  • @dustythemexii5278
    @dustythemexii52787 ай бұрын

    love the cali ty wiz

  • @CRAPO2011
    @CRAPO2011 Жыл бұрын

    The color and wheel help this california look very nice

  • @Abarth695Maserati
    @Abarth695Maserati Жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for you to get your hands on the California - we love ours and it is a perfect daily driver

  • @pops55650
    @pops55650 Жыл бұрын

    I know someone with a Volkswagen Eos with a convertible top that operates very similar. But it’s probably not quite as fast on the road

  • @Elaba_
    @Elaba_ Жыл бұрын

    The dashboard view gave me memories of the game Outrun in the eighties.

  • @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310
    @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 Жыл бұрын

    Looks wise it reminds me of the jaguar that watch jrgo had recently. Great looking convertibles both of them.

  • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
    @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Жыл бұрын

    Nice spec... If I were gonna daily it though, is send it off to get an updated infotainment system installed. Pretty sure Ferrari offers a straight swap through the dealer and they effectively pay for themselves when it comes time to sell the car. If you get a genuine Ferrari one.

  • @robertoferrari5397
    @robertoferrari5397 Жыл бұрын

    ..i'd go with different wheel color but the car paint/interior colors are really nice.....that's a clean engine compartment too😃😃

  • @charliebuzik9317
    @charliebuzik9317 Жыл бұрын

    I never seen a convertible work like that awsome

  • @rrebein
    @rrebein Жыл бұрын

    I passed through Newton on my way to Dodge City on Saturday and drove by the shop. Just judging by the exterior, no one would predict the kind of exotic cars you guys are working on in there. Outside it's all rusted-out Gleaners and high plains drought. Inside, Porsches and Ferraris. Still and all, my dad's favorite video of yours is the one about your new airport people mover and your plans to convert it. Go figure.

  • @irdestroyer
    @irdestroyer Жыл бұрын

    Considering buying a 2013-2014. IMO these cars are very underrated. They are definitely a Ferrari, and a bargain.

  • @FCT8306onTwoWheels

    @FCT8306onTwoWheels

    Жыл бұрын

    I still think the 360 Modena is a cool car and it's an older model, but just has the cool factor. That and the F430. And.....a first generation Gallardo in giallo even though its a Lamboogie

  • @torres3800
    @torres3800 Жыл бұрын

    I had that same radio on my 2015 Jeep Wrangler.

  • @bradklingensmith
    @bradklingensmith Жыл бұрын

    They did knock it out of the park with the California. Beautiful car.

  • @markbrown6236
    @markbrown6236 Жыл бұрын

    Nice car, love your commentary.

  • @BrianWerner
    @BrianWerner Жыл бұрын

    Is there such a thing as too good looking? I don't know. The sound of any Ferrari is just glorious. I pulled up next to a 458 once and it sounded like mechanical symphony.

  • @MrDeadsr
    @MrDeadsr Жыл бұрын

    Love the wheels. Is that the stock front?

  • @dannyharbour3951
    @dannyharbour3951 Жыл бұрын

    Did anyone notice that the drivers side front tire was on the lip of the lift?

  • @moonshinefuel
    @moonshinefuel Жыл бұрын

    looking forward to seeing the progress on the moon rover

  • @jamesdelong6401
    @jamesdelong6401 Жыл бұрын

    BAD ASS! CALIFORNIA. Those mate bronze wheels look good on that body color. Then! When you started it up. YES SIR! GOOSEBUMPS!!!!

  • @gregorymurphy9980
    @gregorymurphy9980 Жыл бұрын

    Look carefully at the Mazda MX-5 Miata ND. It was introduced in 2016 and design wise it appears to have hugely influenced by the California. I'm keeping my car wishing realistic.

  • @HypocriticYT
    @HypocriticYT Жыл бұрын

    Love the styling 😊 wish I could afford one ☝️

  • @ianmontgomery7534

    @ianmontgomery7534

    Жыл бұрын

    I am not too keen on the tailight setup but the rest is great.

  • @shawnchadwick4943
    @shawnchadwick4943 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing car. But that tint! Totally illegal in my state but I love it!!!

  • @Firestorm637
    @Firestorm637 Жыл бұрын

    Usually first major coming up at 25,000 miles. It’s a racing engine that requires more maintenance

  • @Vincent-ke5zn
    @Vincent-ke5zn Жыл бұрын

    I would like to see that Nova finished, please show the Nova after its finished 🙏

  • @haroldmclean3755
    @haroldmclean3755 Жыл бұрын

    I wouldn't mind Buying one of these 👍 Nice Video

  • @Yosemite_Sam
    @Yosemite_Sam Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting Wizard. Fantastic car and certainly more attractive than some of the cars that are bought into the shop.

  • @wolfeadventures
    @wolfeadventures Жыл бұрын

    “Good customer” ie brings what the Wiz likes to work on, never asks questions on the bill and that Wiz can make the most profit.

  • @fitshamer
    @fitshamer Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Wizard! I really needed the Tupac reference this morning! Definitely a good laugh.

  • @finalpharoah1
    @finalpharoah1 Жыл бұрын

    Every time I see one of these, I sing 2Pac's California Love. I'm glad you also get it Car Wizard

  • @boss350z5
    @boss350z5 Жыл бұрын

    looks so much better with the top on...

  • @sadubone
    @sadubone Жыл бұрын

    a black A pillar and roof were often a common option on California's and other Ferrari. I find it odd someone would wrap the pillars and roof black in this case. is it paint? it's hard to tell when the roof goes up in the video. I would leave it regardless. I think the black A pillars look sharp.

  • @rjnation5042
    @rjnation5042 Жыл бұрын

    The word was they were a bit soft, but they weren't meant to be a track car, I've always liked the look of them, as a daily driver it'd be a nice place to be, Rj in Oz

  • @ndpesicgroup
    @ndpesicgroup4 ай бұрын

    Beautiful spec

  • @wisdomSP
    @wisdomSP Жыл бұрын

    You missed mentioning the infamous Ferrari sticky buttons @6:57. No hard feelings. Love your content.

  • @fredmahar5431
    @fredmahar5431 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful car and I'm happy to know he's actually driving the thing....top is cool...and I have the same Grogu shirt...lol

  • @btcruiser31
    @btcruiser31 Жыл бұрын

    wow top operated much faster than I thought it would

  • @Firestorm637
    @Firestorm637 Жыл бұрын

    As long as you keep up yearly maintenance and software updates great daily driver.

  • @garyaaron8425
    @garyaaron8425 Жыл бұрын

    Love it. This would be the only Ferrari that I would ever own. Thank you for the review.

  • @TXCherokee
    @TXCherokee Жыл бұрын

    Very neat convertible top

  • @melvinburwell8202
    @melvinburwell8202 Жыл бұрын

    Love 💕 the styling on this car. Color I could take or leave. This car looks like a daily driver. Not some impractical toy. 💖💗💙♥️👍😎

  • @user-ns3vs3bp3e
    @user-ns3vs3bp3e Жыл бұрын

    I feel called out having this pop in my recommended after looking at these earlier today XD they’re touching on prices I’d be willing to pay now for a low mileage and while I do prefer the 812 styling I’m not willing to pay 300k+ nor can I afford to 😂

  • @camerongilmour77
    @camerongilmour77 Жыл бұрын

    Still looks pretty tight and badass!

  • @richardspore1996
    @richardspore1996 Жыл бұрын

    I think Mrs. car Wizard needs a Ferrari California.

  • @richardharvey8939
    @richardharvey8939 Жыл бұрын

    Fun video. Get to se cars I would never consider buying.

  • @IrishJayc63
    @IrishJayc63 Жыл бұрын

    I think old Ferraris or halo Ferraris like 288 got, f40 f50 Enzo etc look amazing in red. But I love the more “common” Ferraris in different colours

  • @robo1000
    @robo1000 Жыл бұрын

    Wow, the wizard looked really cool in that car in the first shot

  • @richb8282
    @richb8282 Жыл бұрын

    Your wife always knows the most accurate colors. Matte bronze is perfect definition of the wheels

  • @pawelwisniewski6849

    @pawelwisniewski6849

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually more like “mustard “😂

  • @Alegrus375

    @Alegrus375

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure they said in a video that she’s an art teacher.

  • @2packs4sure
    @2packs4sure Жыл бұрын

    I hear what you're saying and it's beautiful but I'll take the Mustang because I actually need to get to work everyday... :)

  • @rnt45t1
    @rnt45t1 Жыл бұрын

    Now that would be a sweet daily driver!

  • @calambres6614
    @calambres6614 Жыл бұрын

    Man I love the look of this California

  • @Giuseppe80271
    @Giuseppe80271 Жыл бұрын

    I usually like stock red Ferrari, but this ine looks very good

  • @tomtheplummer7322
    @tomtheplummer7322 Жыл бұрын

    Gotta say, that top is very entertaining.

  • @mattheweburns
    @mattheweburns Жыл бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing if somebody got onto me about having a Ferrari California I’d absolutely prefer it over any Mustang or Corvette… If I had one of those I would drive it all the time too. At least parts are available, and when people “store“ cars like that they getting bad condition faster than if they would just drive it a couple times per week at least start it and let it run and get warm once a week drive that thing enjoy it that’s what they are for this isn’t an f40 this isn’t the last modelT. I’d still be beyond angry if somebody bumped it though lol

  • @LMacNeill
    @LMacNeill Жыл бұрын

    I've really never understood the hate for the California. I've always thought they were awesome grand-touring cars. So they're not the track-weapon that the Enzo or the F50 was. Big deal. They're still great.

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