In this video, we will discuss what is wrong with my B2601 Loader. We will also discuss how a tractor 3rd function valve works and its limitations.
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@robertsullivan57277 ай бұрын
I am an electronics engineering technician. For less than $20.00 you will love your tractor, B2601. All that is needed is on the main power wire to the third function buttons install a single pole single throw switch. The added switch will stop the diverted valve from operating and restore normal functions to your loader when not using third function. I have a 2021 B2601 TLB with Kubota third function and mine has a shut off switch built in. If you need any help feel free to ask. I live in Ohio, if not too far I am willing to help you. Bob
@mikeneeley1836 Жыл бұрын
Like GP I too had a B2601 and it was a great tractor. Wanted a bit mor and bought a L2501. I spent a lot of time looking into soft cabs but with the great trade in and resale values after about 200 hours on the L2501 I traded for an LX2610 cab model for our Michigan weather. Love it.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I will have a cab some day. I see Kubota is updating the Cab tractors again. LX3520 and LX4020 coming out in 2023. Pretty sure they will come out with a LX2620 in 2024. They chances they are making are big. New transmission the does whine so bad, wider front tire stance for better stability and the load gets beefed up. Worth waiting for IMO.
@SICDavid11 ай бұрын
Good vid. I have had my B2601 since 2020 with zero issues. Really love the tractor and wishing I added a third function for a grapple upon acquisition…my first tractor so very tractor ignorant at the time. So far about 120 hours on the B2601 and my loader and hydraulics are very smooth. If I run the rpms high, the hydraulics get super jerky so I lower the rpms to smooth things out. Love your add-ons and I would consider a new third function kit before trading your baby in-you’ll really miss her. I’m currently shopping for a new larger tractor for land clearing but it will have to be an addition to my B2601; I don’t think I can let her go. Cheers and keep the vids coming.
@toddsoutsideagain Жыл бұрын
I can sense your frustration. Don’t blame you at all. I would be the same way. I believe there is a problem with the install of the land pride 3rd function or a bad one. Nice Lamar trailer! I just picked up a Lamar 7x14 dump. Awesome trailers. 👍🏻👍🏻-TOA
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I agree that the problem is related to the 3rd function valve. Lamar does a great job with their trailers. I would love a second one. Something small for my firewood deliveries
@joeyw44423 ай бұрын
A couple of things that might help you, and works for me. I have an L4701(love it) with a Land Pride 3rd funtion(i installed myself). I orriented my buttons for the 3rd function at the 8 o'clock postion and use my thumb to operate them. That keeps ME from inadvetenly hitting either button when using the stick for up and down and curling. And it's pretty easy to wire in a toggle switch on or at the the console panel to turn on or off the 3rd function buttons. Also, the suggestion for lowering the RPM level when using the loader helps tremendously with the jerking when operating the loader and or grapple. 2500 RPMs or even down to 2000(when appropriate) smooths things out. Obviously, a little higher depending on the heaviness of the load. No need to run at 540 level, when using the loader or grapple, normally. Play around with that to see the differences in smoothness. Good luck. And enjoy your tractor.
@johnmurphy14710 ай бұрын
I think your biggest problem is your dealer. Keep up the good work. Thanks from Australia
@dmeece1 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 B2601 that I ordered in March and received in May, It now has 200 hours on it and have never had any issues but it don't have the 3rd function. This is my third B-series all purchased New, A B-2100, B-7610 and now the B-2601, never had any problems at all with any of them. I would change joy stick to a 3 button so it could be turned off when not in use.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Agree. I do think this would help but I am still getting some strange stoppages with this loader. Great tractor but the loader on this one has an issue we can't see to pin down
@toreyobrien54136 ай бұрын
Its to bad the dealer wont make things right and put a new loader on the tractor to keep a customer satisfied...i would try and get ahold of kubota and see if there is anything they can do to take it back and work with your dealership.
@kevinsigmund7739 Жыл бұрын
Regarding smoothness - I actually sold my RK 24 to buy a b2601. One reason was to get a smoother loader since I lift big logs over the side of a dump trailer, and you don't want that jerking around with the loader raised and a big load. I have an sud5640, and that loader is extremely smooth, but I struggled a bit with the b2601. What I found, however, is that it can be smooth. You're on to something when you mentioned the long stick in a previous video - since it flexes a decent amount before activating the valve, you lose a sense of connection - kinda like steering a car with a lot of slop in the steering wheel. What I found helped me a lot was to plant my elbow on the right arm rest, and use my wrist to control the loader as much as I can. This GREATLY improved the smoothness with which I could operate the loader on the b2601, and I was able to learn how to control it smooth enough to feel safe when dumping in the trailer. Never had to mess with that on my larger tractor. If you haven't already tried that out, give it a shot and see if it helps you too (of course this goes out the window if something really is wrong with your tractor). Regardless of if you wind up trading the tractor in, or fixing the issues, I'm sure this is frustrating. Good luck, and thanks for your videos.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Great tip. I will for sure try this. It sure seems like when I grab the stick down on the shaft, I have better control but then you can’t run the 3rd function. I will try the wrist control method you have suggested.
@kevinsigmund7739
Жыл бұрын
@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I like to wrap my ring finger and pinky around the stick below the buttons and use those mostly for pulling it around when I'm using the grapple, but I haven't really operated it with gloves. I actually turned my buttons INTO the orientation you have yours because it felt more natural. If your loader is operating correctly, I think you may be able to get used to the flex in the stick before the valve opens. Takes concentration at first, but once you get it, you get it. I was actually thinking I was going to have to come up with a way to stiffen the base of the control stick before I really tried to get used to it (maybe a good aftermarket business opportunity!). Again, probably only applies if you don't have a fundamental issue with your unit. Good luck. Interested to see how things work out for you.
@andrewslagle1974 Жыл бұрын
remove the 3rd function valve from the tractor and try it .I am AG tech for 35+ years .Do that and test it .I think it is in the aftermarket 3rd function add on system.
@markbutterfield2189 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate your blog, my Kubota dealer is delivering my new 2601 this week, hope this isn't systemic with the 2601
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I think this loader problem is rare. It many have heard of this happen and is another reason my dealer is leaving me hanging. Good luck with the tractor. They are so useful and fun to drive
@adamfuller59354 ай бұрын
I have a 2601 have for 4 years, I’ve never had an issue like that. I would go to a new dealer!
@darylgass95326 ай бұрын
Maybe air in the system?? While the tractor is running, turn the wheels all the way to the right and hold a few seconds then all the way to the left and hold a few seconds. Do this 4 to 5 times to bleed air out of system. Might be worth a try !
@hc71904 ай бұрын
As far as loader smoothness goes look at the physics when you compare the LX and your loader handle . There is so much more leverage involved on your handle which could be some of the problem. Just a thought
@northeasterndirtandpropert79744 ай бұрын
Kubota makes some good stuff.The hot buttons on the front of the stick is bad engineering.A company has to know that an operator will be prone to hit them causing issues.Hence,thats why KUBOTA has the power off-on feature.I run alot of KUBOTA and they have smooth Hydraulics.Some of the best in the industry.
@donsunshine8 ай бұрын
I have the same problem with my loader. It’s been in the shop three times with a whopping 7 hours on it. Still don’t have a solution.
@AD-hr4is Жыл бұрын
Opperator error then. Learn to avoid those 3rd functions buttons.
@billybatson8657 Жыл бұрын
Would a mechanical leveler affect the way the loader lifts and "deadheads" at the same time? I assumed this is sort of what a mechanical leveler does, lifts and curls the bucket at the same time.
@Philslandscape Жыл бұрын
I'm having this issue with my newly purchase bx23s. I do have the third function value on the tractor.
@ericritchey9331 Жыл бұрын
I would rotate the buttons like someone already mentioned and I would also add a toggle switch to the dash that would allow you to energize and de-energize the buttons with the switch. The combination of these mods should fix the problems you're having.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Defiantly good ideas. Will try them.
@EnriqueSonora Жыл бұрын
My LX loader is not smooth unless I finesse the stick, it is powerful though and I need to add weight to the tractor, LX feels very lightweight but the ground clearance is great and it is very maneuverable. I love this tracker but my property doesn't. I have very hard soil with rock. I would suggest maybe getting a l3560 if I was to buy again. great video thanks for sharing the knowledge.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and advice. Do you have a cab or open station? I love the L3560 but it’s pretty big for my small property. I like the size of the LX and I have heard that the loader on the cab version is a little smoother than the ROPS version or at least a little easier to control due to the ergonomics of the joystick. I can’t test drive one at the moment because dealers just don’t have them on the lots with loaders on them. No supply.
@EnriqueSonora
Жыл бұрын
@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I was lookn' for A B2601 before I decided on the LX, no models available and I had to find mine in CA and have it shipped to me. No cab, however the LX cab would be nice for the tractor size. Hey, check out Messicks vid on '23 models, I like what the update has and if it is worth it to you to wait.
@stevestock2439 Жыл бұрын
I see you frustration, did you do the install on the land pride third function valve, and did you operate your tractor loader functions before the install of the third function valve? Dealerships have an out when non oem materials are installed on new tractors with warranties when function problems arise. I'm sensing that is what the dealership is telling you. I own a BX with a summit hydraulics third function valve and add-a-grapple and can use the grab and lift and curl all at the same time, it is slow but it does work. A good buddy of mine bought the same tractor as you and installed a Summit Hydraulics third function kit on his and then a grapple. No issues like you have. I'm thinking there are times your third function valve is bleeding (bypassing)hydraulic fluid back to the hydraulic tank and starving the fluid pressure while lifting the bucket. My theory only but does make sense if you think about it. If your lift ceases, that means you dont have the hydraulic pressure to raise your bucket. Are you hearing any additional sounds when your bucket ceases to move up? I'm putting my bet on a faulty third function valve, and believe there is nothing wrong with the tractor.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Dealer did install and I have had it in twice for repair. They haven't been able to fix it.
@johnbell216 Жыл бұрын
Dave - this is quite awhile after the fact for you - I inadvertently didn’t put the power beyond connection together improperly when i was taking the backhoe off my 2022 b2601 and i immediately got what you are describing - going up was fine but going down had this huge jerk starting or didn’t work. I couldn’t get the loader going down smooth. I went and checked the hydraulic hoses and found the bad connection on the backhoe power beyond - plugged it in and i got smooth going down. I wonder if there isn’t something about your third function that’s messing things up?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Very possible. I am going to reconnect the hoses and see if it changes things. Thanks for the tip.
@GrowingABetterTomorrow Жыл бұрын
I recommend loosening the retaining screw securing the 3rd function controller on the top of the hydraulic stick and rotating it counterclockwise to face the seat. The red buttons should face the left. When installed properly the red buttons will be in alignment with the thumb of your hand. Even with gloves, you will be less likely to inadvertently depress the 3rd function buttons.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have done this and it does help with ergonomics and me accidently hitting the buttons which will freeze the loader functions.
@darrenmoyer269 Жыл бұрын
I think its a good possibility that the 3rd function is plumbed improperly to the power beyod causing your issue. Also land pride 3rd functions are a true 3rd function not a diverter valve, meaning you should, in theory, be able to use the 3rd function along with operating the loader at the same time. the kubota 3rd function valve for the bx is a diverter valve in which you press the button then operate the loder handle to use the 3rd function. I manage a kubota dealership, If you would like me to send you the install manual for your 3rd function, shoot me a pm, and I'll see what i can do to help you out.
@peterguerin5552 Жыл бұрын
I added a switch to my B2601 with land pride 3rd hydraulics cause I found I was fat fingering the buttons when working with bucket and causing that jerky operation. By switching the power to 3rd function I can turn it off when not I use and hitting the buttons dose nothing. Made loader operations much better
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I rotated the buttons and this has helped.
@sunseeker6088 Жыл бұрын
Very informative
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@Miniscapes515 Жыл бұрын
I have the same land pride third function on my b2601. We position the buttons to the left to face the operator. I never hit the buttons unless I want to. Maybe try that.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have done this and it does help with ergonomics and me accidently hitting the buttons which will freeze the loader functions.
@gregb2144 Жыл бұрын
You may want to check out HydrosPlus on you tube, explains Kubota BX loader hyd. Is pressure re-leaf valve active when the issue occurs?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Will check that out.
@morganbrickwall7902 Жыл бұрын
I hate the control, I have a hard time hitting the right function position. My son has no issues with it so I think it has a lot to do with muscle memory.
@Shookmeister Жыл бұрын
Have you thought about turning the 3rd function buttons from a 12 o'clock position to a 9 o'clock position? I know this maybe not be your issue, but it would eliminate you hitting it accidentally. Mine is in the 9 o'clock position and it feels natural to operate the controls with my thumb.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I am going to do this for sure just so I don’t hit the buttons by mistake. Great idea.
@da1shark Жыл бұрын
Looks to be a dealer issue, not being able to get to the root of the issue. Like a software developer when someone reports a bug - “Well it works on my machine”. Sounds like that machine has an issue in the hydraulic system that needs to be resolved. You would think they could put pressure gages on the lines to see the flow rate and pressure. Call Messicks to see if they can help determine the issue. Good luck.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Yes, defiantly will be changing dealerships. I am very likely to trade this one in. Looking at the LX2610 with the Cab. WI winters are brutal. Hot Humid summer too. Cab would be nice and the loader control is different and much smoother from what I can tell.
@m.h4664 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 kubota b2601 with kubota 3rd function. My loader doesn't do that . My tractor has a little over 200 hrs on it . I really like my tractor . I also have a great dealer so that maybe some of the difference.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me this. I am pretty sure my B2601 has an issue and my dealership just can’t figure out how to fix it and get it covered under warranty. It’s making me not love the tractor unfortunately. Aside from this loader thing, the B2601 is very capable. Like you said it’s a really good little tractor.
@DeanReinhardt Жыл бұрын
i have the exact same problem.... but i have no third function on mine
@stephenrhodesianridgeback7418 Жыл бұрын
Unplug the third function at the solinoids on the valve both sides . If the loader won’t act up anymore it’s the valves coming on . If it still does it then it’s the loader control valve .
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
My Dealer said they did this test. They couldn't get the issue to happen but didn't use it a lot so was hard to prove anything. I will try that here and give it some time. This makes sense. Problem is I may not be able to repeat this for them so they can replace things. I like this test though. Pretty straight forward.
@stephenrhodesianridgeback7418
Жыл бұрын
@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 There is many things that can go wrong in hydraulics . Step by step elimination is required . Small 12 volt automotive test lights hooked in too solinoid plug also will tell you when it’s activated and let you know if it’s coming on while activating the loader . 🤷♂️Your in a position now too prove too the dealer what’s wrong . Not much else you can do but prove your problem on tractor with hard evidence .Relief valve sticking or bleeding by in main control also from chuck of debris once and while getting jammed in relief . Seen this before . Removal of relief valve and clean out on main control .
@micon9460 Жыл бұрын
You think there's air in the hydraulic lines?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
The dealer check for that. It just they way the B2601 works. Great tractor but the loader is a little chunky in how it operates.
@roncorrisjr2828 Жыл бұрын
turn the handle on the loader so the buttons face inward so you would just use you're thumb to push the buttons.
@joesonnier7788 Жыл бұрын
If you turn your buttons to the inside you won’t inadvertently hit them. Mine are pointed to the inside and I use my thumb to press them.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I have since done that and yes, this has helped. Thanks for the tip
@douglasbuhr5741 Жыл бұрын
put a switch for the power to the 3rd function switch, or pull the fuse for the third function valve and try to duplicate the problem
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I like this idea and will look into it. I do think this would help a lot.
@seanwahl1000 Жыл бұрын
That is a horrible design to have the buttons in the front and not on the side (or it's installed wrong). I wonder if part of the problem is the way they set up the hydraulics? The reason I say this is with my b2601 I have never noticed the loader not able to go up or down when using all three functions. It does go slow though with all three at the same time.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I have rotate the buttons and it has helped some but it sill happens. I have tried several fixes to no avail. I have just accepted it as a limitation of this small tractor.
@seanwahl1000
Жыл бұрын
@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I'm glad it helped, but like I said mine doesn't do that so it's not the limitations of the small tractor.
@scott2426 Жыл бұрын
Good lord, don’t push buttons while trying to operate loader.. done. 11:17 min saved.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@scottbarnwell512 Жыл бұрын
Get a Deere 2025R
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Deere’ are great but just can’t do green. Silly reason I know. 🤣
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I am an electronics engineering technician. For less than $20.00 you will love your tractor, B2601. All that is needed is on the main power wire to the third function buttons install a single pole single throw switch. The added switch will stop the diverted valve from operating and restore normal functions to your loader when not using third function. I have a 2021 B2601 TLB with Kubota third function and mine has a shut off switch built in. If you need any help feel free to ask. I live in Ohio, if not too far I am willing to help you. Bob
Like GP I too had a B2601 and it was a great tractor. Wanted a bit mor and bought a L2501. I spent a lot of time looking into soft cabs but with the great trade in and resale values after about 200 hours on the L2501 I traded for an LX2610 cab model for our Michigan weather. Love it.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I will have a cab some day. I see Kubota is updating the Cab tractors again. LX3520 and LX4020 coming out in 2023. Pretty sure they will come out with a LX2620 in 2024. They chances they are making are big. New transmission the does whine so bad, wider front tire stance for better stability and the load gets beefed up. Worth waiting for IMO.
Good vid. I have had my B2601 since 2020 with zero issues. Really love the tractor and wishing I added a third function for a grapple upon acquisition…my first tractor so very tractor ignorant at the time. So far about 120 hours on the B2601 and my loader and hydraulics are very smooth. If I run the rpms high, the hydraulics get super jerky so I lower the rpms to smooth things out. Love your add-ons and I would consider a new third function kit before trading your baby in-you’ll really miss her. I’m currently shopping for a new larger tractor for land clearing but it will have to be an addition to my B2601; I don’t think I can let her go. Cheers and keep the vids coming.
I can sense your frustration. Don’t blame you at all. I would be the same way. I believe there is a problem with the install of the land pride 3rd function or a bad one. Nice Lamar trailer! I just picked up a Lamar 7x14 dump. Awesome trailers. 👍🏻👍🏻-TOA
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I agree that the problem is related to the 3rd function valve. Lamar does a great job with their trailers. I would love a second one. Something small for my firewood deliveries
A couple of things that might help you, and works for me. I have an L4701(love it) with a Land Pride 3rd funtion(i installed myself). I orriented my buttons for the 3rd function at the 8 o'clock postion and use my thumb to operate them. That keeps ME from inadvetenly hitting either button when using the stick for up and down and curling. And it's pretty easy to wire in a toggle switch on or at the the console panel to turn on or off the 3rd function buttons. Also, the suggestion for lowering the RPM level when using the loader helps tremendously with the jerking when operating the loader and or grapple. 2500 RPMs or even down to 2000(when appropriate) smooths things out. Obviously, a little higher depending on the heaviness of the load. No need to run at 540 level, when using the loader or grapple, normally. Play around with that to see the differences in smoothness. Good luck. And enjoy your tractor.
I think your biggest problem is your dealer. Keep up the good work. Thanks from Australia
I have a 2021 B2601 that I ordered in March and received in May, It now has 200 hours on it and have never had any issues but it don't have the 3rd function. This is my third B-series all purchased New, A B-2100, B-7610 and now the B-2601, never had any problems at all with any of them. I would change joy stick to a 3 button so it could be turned off when not in use.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Agree. I do think this would help but I am still getting some strange stoppages with this loader. Great tractor but the loader on this one has an issue we can't see to pin down
Its to bad the dealer wont make things right and put a new loader on the tractor to keep a customer satisfied...i would try and get ahold of kubota and see if there is anything they can do to take it back and work with your dealership.
Regarding smoothness - I actually sold my RK 24 to buy a b2601. One reason was to get a smoother loader since I lift big logs over the side of a dump trailer, and you don't want that jerking around with the loader raised and a big load. I have an sud5640, and that loader is extremely smooth, but I struggled a bit with the b2601. What I found, however, is that it can be smooth. You're on to something when you mentioned the long stick in a previous video - since it flexes a decent amount before activating the valve, you lose a sense of connection - kinda like steering a car with a lot of slop in the steering wheel. What I found helped me a lot was to plant my elbow on the right arm rest, and use my wrist to control the loader as much as I can. This GREATLY improved the smoothness with which I could operate the loader on the b2601, and I was able to learn how to control it smooth enough to feel safe when dumping in the trailer. Never had to mess with that on my larger tractor. If you haven't already tried that out, give it a shot and see if it helps you too (of course this goes out the window if something really is wrong with your tractor). Regardless of if you wind up trading the tractor in, or fixing the issues, I'm sure this is frustrating. Good luck, and thanks for your videos.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Great tip. I will for sure try this. It sure seems like when I grab the stick down on the shaft, I have better control but then you can’t run the 3rd function. I will try the wrist control method you have suggested.
@kevinsigmund7739
Жыл бұрын
@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I like to wrap my ring finger and pinky around the stick below the buttons and use those mostly for pulling it around when I'm using the grapple, but I haven't really operated it with gloves. I actually turned my buttons INTO the orientation you have yours because it felt more natural. If your loader is operating correctly, I think you may be able to get used to the flex in the stick before the valve opens. Takes concentration at first, but once you get it, you get it. I was actually thinking I was going to have to come up with a way to stiffen the base of the control stick before I really tried to get used to it (maybe a good aftermarket business opportunity!). Again, probably only applies if you don't have a fundamental issue with your unit. Good luck. Interested to see how things work out for you.
remove the 3rd function valve from the tractor and try it .I am AG tech for 35+ years .Do that and test it .I think it is in the aftermarket 3rd function add on system.
Appreciate your blog, my Kubota dealer is delivering my new 2601 this week, hope this isn't systemic with the 2601
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
I think this loader problem is rare. It many have heard of this happen and is another reason my dealer is leaving me hanging. Good luck with the tractor. They are so useful and fun to drive
I have a 2601 have for 4 years, I’ve never had an issue like that. I would go to a new dealer!
Maybe air in the system?? While the tractor is running, turn the wheels all the way to the right and hold a few seconds then all the way to the left and hold a few seconds. Do this 4 to 5 times to bleed air out of system. Might be worth a try !
As far as loader smoothness goes look at the physics when you compare the LX and your loader handle . There is so much more leverage involved on your handle which could be some of the problem. Just a thought
Kubota makes some good stuff.The hot buttons on the front of the stick is bad engineering.A company has to know that an operator will be prone to hit them causing issues.Hence,thats why KUBOTA has the power off-on feature.I run alot of KUBOTA and they have smooth Hydraulics.Some of the best in the industry.
I have the same problem with my loader. It’s been in the shop three times with a whopping 7 hours on it. Still don’t have a solution.
Opperator error then. Learn to avoid those 3rd functions buttons.
Would a mechanical leveler affect the way the loader lifts and "deadheads" at the same time? I assumed this is sort of what a mechanical leveler does, lifts and curls the bucket at the same time.
I'm having this issue with my newly purchase bx23s. I do have the third function value on the tractor.
I would rotate the buttons like someone already mentioned and I would also add a toggle switch to the dash that would allow you to energize and de-energize the buttons with the switch. The combination of these mods should fix the problems you're having.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Defiantly good ideas. Will try them.
My LX loader is not smooth unless I finesse the stick, it is powerful though and I need to add weight to the tractor, LX feels very lightweight but the ground clearance is great and it is very maneuverable. I love this tracker but my property doesn't. I have very hard soil with rock. I would suggest maybe getting a l3560 if I was to buy again. great video thanks for sharing the knowledge.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and advice. Do you have a cab or open station? I love the L3560 but it’s pretty big for my small property. I like the size of the LX and I have heard that the loader on the cab version is a little smoother than the ROPS version or at least a little easier to control due to the ergonomics of the joystick. I can’t test drive one at the moment because dealers just don’t have them on the lots with loaders on them. No supply.
@EnriqueSonora
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@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I was lookn' for A B2601 before I decided on the LX, no models available and I had to find mine in CA and have it shipped to me. No cab, however the LX cab would be nice for the tractor size. Hey, check out Messicks vid on '23 models, I like what the update has and if it is worth it to you to wait.
I see you frustration, did you do the install on the land pride third function valve, and did you operate your tractor loader functions before the install of the third function valve? Dealerships have an out when non oem materials are installed on new tractors with warranties when function problems arise. I'm sensing that is what the dealership is telling you. I own a BX with a summit hydraulics third function valve and add-a-grapple and can use the grab and lift and curl all at the same time, it is slow but it does work. A good buddy of mine bought the same tractor as you and installed a Summit Hydraulics third function kit on his and then a grapple. No issues like you have. I'm thinking there are times your third function valve is bleeding (bypassing)hydraulic fluid back to the hydraulic tank and starving the fluid pressure while lifting the bucket. My theory only but does make sense if you think about it. If your lift ceases, that means you dont have the hydraulic pressure to raise your bucket. Are you hearing any additional sounds when your bucket ceases to move up? I'm putting my bet on a faulty third function valve, and believe there is nothing wrong with the tractor.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Dealer did install and I have had it in twice for repair. They haven't been able to fix it.
Dave - this is quite awhile after the fact for you - I inadvertently didn’t put the power beyond connection together improperly when i was taking the backhoe off my 2022 b2601 and i immediately got what you are describing - going up was fine but going down had this huge jerk starting or didn’t work. I couldn’t get the loader going down smooth. I went and checked the hydraulic hoses and found the bad connection on the backhoe power beyond - plugged it in and i got smooth going down. I wonder if there isn’t something about your third function that’s messing things up?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Very possible. I am going to reconnect the hoses and see if it changes things. Thanks for the tip.
I recommend loosening the retaining screw securing the 3rd function controller on the top of the hydraulic stick and rotating it counterclockwise to face the seat. The red buttons should face the left. When installed properly the red buttons will be in alignment with the thumb of your hand. Even with gloves, you will be less likely to inadvertently depress the 3rd function buttons.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Yes, I have done this and it does help with ergonomics and me accidently hitting the buttons which will freeze the loader functions.
I think its a good possibility that the 3rd function is plumbed improperly to the power beyod causing your issue. Also land pride 3rd functions are a true 3rd function not a diverter valve, meaning you should, in theory, be able to use the 3rd function along with operating the loader at the same time. the kubota 3rd function valve for the bx is a diverter valve in which you press the button then operate the loder handle to use the 3rd function. I manage a kubota dealership, If you would like me to send you the install manual for your 3rd function, shoot me a pm, and I'll see what i can do to help you out.
I added a switch to my B2601 with land pride 3rd hydraulics cause I found I was fat fingering the buttons when working with bucket and causing that jerky operation. By switching the power to 3rd function I can turn it off when not I use and hitting the buttons dose nothing. Made loader operations much better
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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I rotated the buttons and this has helped.
Very informative
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Glad you think so!
I have the same land pride third function on my b2601. We position the buttons to the left to face the operator. I never hit the buttons unless I want to. Maybe try that.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Yes, I have done this and it does help with ergonomics and me accidently hitting the buttons which will freeze the loader functions.
You may want to check out HydrosPlus on you tube, explains Kubota BX loader hyd. Is pressure re-leaf valve active when the issue occurs?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Thanks for the comment. Will check that out.
I hate the control, I have a hard time hitting the right function position. My son has no issues with it so I think it has a lot to do with muscle memory.
Have you thought about turning the 3rd function buttons from a 12 o'clock position to a 9 o'clock position? I know this maybe not be your issue, but it would eliminate you hitting it accidentally. Mine is in the 9 o'clock position and it feels natural to operate the controls with my thumb.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Yes, I am going to do this for sure just so I don’t hit the buttons by mistake. Great idea.
Looks to be a dealer issue, not being able to get to the root of the issue. Like a software developer when someone reports a bug - “Well it works on my machine”. Sounds like that machine has an issue in the hydraulic system that needs to be resolved. You would think they could put pressure gages on the lines to see the flow rate and pressure. Call Messicks to see if they can help determine the issue. Good luck.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Yes, defiantly will be changing dealerships. I am very likely to trade this one in. Looking at the LX2610 with the Cab. WI winters are brutal. Hot Humid summer too. Cab would be nice and the loader control is different and much smoother from what I can tell.
I have a 2020 kubota b2601 with kubota 3rd function. My loader doesn't do that . My tractor has a little over 200 hrs on it . I really like my tractor . I also have a great dealer so that maybe some of the difference.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Thanks for telling me this. I am pretty sure my B2601 has an issue and my dealership just can’t figure out how to fix it and get it covered under warranty. It’s making me not love the tractor unfortunately. Aside from this loader thing, the B2601 is very capable. Like you said it’s a really good little tractor.
i have the exact same problem.... but i have no third function on mine
Unplug the third function at the solinoids on the valve both sides . If the loader won’t act up anymore it’s the valves coming on . If it still does it then it’s the loader control valve .
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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My Dealer said they did this test. They couldn't get the issue to happen but didn't use it a lot so was hard to prove anything. I will try that here and give it some time. This makes sense. Problem is I may not be able to repeat this for them so they can replace things. I like this test though. Pretty straight forward.
@stephenrhodesianridgeback7418
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@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 There is many things that can go wrong in hydraulics . Step by step elimination is required . Small 12 volt automotive test lights hooked in too solinoid plug also will tell you when it’s activated and let you know if it’s coming on while activating the loader . 🤷♂️Your in a position now too prove too the dealer what’s wrong . Not much else you can do but prove your problem on tractor with hard evidence .Relief valve sticking or bleeding by in main control also from chuck of debris once and while getting jammed in relief . Seen this before . Removal of relief valve and clean out on main control .
You think there's air in the hydraulic lines?
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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The dealer check for that. It just they way the B2601 works. Great tractor but the loader is a little chunky in how it operates.
turn the handle on the loader so the buttons face inward so you would just use you're thumb to push the buttons.
If you turn your buttons to the inside you won’t inadvertently hit them. Mine are pointed to the inside and I use my thumb to press them.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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I have since done that and yes, this has helped. Thanks for the tip
put a switch for the power to the 3rd function switch, or pull the fuse for the third function valve and try to duplicate the problem
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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I like this idea and will look into it. I do think this would help a lot.
That is a horrible design to have the buttons in the front and not on the side (or it's installed wrong). I wonder if part of the problem is the way they set up the hydraulics? The reason I say this is with my b2601 I have never noticed the loader not able to go up or down when using all three functions. It does go slow though with all three at the same time.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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I have rotate the buttons and it has helped some but it sill happens. I have tried several fixes to no avail. I have just accepted it as a limitation of this small tractor.
@seanwahl1000
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@@timbertimeoutdoors9836 I'm glad it helped, but like I said mine doesn't do that so it's not the limitations of the small tractor.
Good lord, don’t push buttons while trying to operate loader.. done. 11:17 min saved.
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Thanks
Get a Deere 2025R
@timbertimeoutdoors9836
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Deere’ are great but just can’t do green. Silly reason I know. 🤣