Yes mom, I need an AMD Threadripper Pro 7995WX CPU to compile my C code for school

@dalrob9969

2 ай бұрын

😅

@greatbullet7372

2 ай бұрын

The Code: int main(){ printf("Hello World")}; 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ronaldhofman1726

2 ай бұрын

But it compiles super fast🤣

@thePavuk

2 ай бұрын

And few 4090TI too... for Excel and stuff.

@ernstoud

2 ай бұрын

Probably for compiling hello.c?

"How powerful is your CPU" "A bit over a horsepower" "Oh that's~ a bit over a what???"

@occamsrazor1285

2 ай бұрын

If you could spray those electrons out of a fire hose, it would be like getting kicked by a horse.

@techfan7808

2 ай бұрын

1 horse power is roughly 750 watts. So a bit over 1 horsepower.

@Rudimaentaer

2 ай бұрын

@@techfan78081kw around 1,36hp/Din. 1hp/Din would be ~735w ish.

@SAVikingSA

2 ай бұрын

My overly modified nitromethane R/C car puts out about 1hp, so this computer is basically equal to one remote control car.

@mikem9536

2 ай бұрын

@@techfan7808still only half a Clydesdale.

" even though I've been a Plumber for several decades .... " That was Epic !! ( edited for misquote )

@miketv8741

2 ай бұрын

Ya, you and Mario 🙂

@kenwilliams3279

2 ай бұрын

The straight face on that one was great

@virtualpilgrim8645

2 ай бұрын

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PBO is an AMD overclocking thing invented by amd. Asus has a custom config (just like other mobo's)for it but its totally amd's tech

@DavesGarage

2 ай бұрын

Damned Anton!

@ricsip

2 ай бұрын

​@@DavesGarage Anton should have flipped a coin and call it out.

@dismuter_yt

2 ай бұрын

For reference, that (correctly) addresses 11:01

@Traumatree

2 ай бұрын

You have to use AMD's PBO and not ASUS' PBO as one works great (AMD's one) and the other will probably lower your performance!

@pav1u

2 ай бұрын

@@Traumatreeno, the motherboard ones can and will kill your chip on auto.

Soon the EPA will mandate a _MIPS per Watt_ sticker on processors.

@dalrob9969

2 ай бұрын

😆

@tiarkrezar

2 ай бұрын

At ~10W per core, this CPU isn't doing all that bad even in its overclocked state. Some Intel CPUs will happily exceed that at stock settings.

@harrkev

2 ай бұрын

And then the manufacturers will redefine "mips."

@tekeagle2136

2 ай бұрын

10w per core is not too bad, considering my 12900HX (8p+8e) can use ~115w sustained power.

@greenaum

2 ай бұрын

Well, good! Heat is pretty much a dead limit, and bigger coolers only give diminishing returns. So if there's a heat limit, less heat per core means more cores, and cores are computers and computers are good! If Americans paid for petrol what the rest of the world does, this perverse pride they take in wasting the stuff would disappear quick-smart.

No matter how you look at it, 1000W is basically a space heater, and moving that much heat that fast is a hard task. I'm glad you do this sort of things so we don't have to :)

@420bobby69

2 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for sharing your C++ game dev course. Was a bit outside my scope, but still watched it for a few hours. Was really interesting, even for someone not quite ready in terms of programming skill. Really generous of you to share that as a resource.

@DaveChurchill

2 ай бұрын

@@420bobby69Glad you enjoyed it :)

@KC-nd7nt

2 ай бұрын

Except heaters do it every day with micro electronics built inside . Imagine that

@johnarnold893

2 ай бұрын

@DaveChurchill Don't have to or can't afford to.

@DaveChurchill

2 ай бұрын

@@KC-nd7ntHeating elements are not made of nano-scale transistors, they can afford to store a lot of heat while it slowly moves throughout a room

Jeff Geerling needs one of these, he is always compiling the kernel.

@ChrisP978

2 ай бұрын

He has the ARM Ampere version that goes up to 128 cores. It's not pulling 1000W though.

Your channel size is irrelevant, Dave. We are here because we know that you have a great wealth of knowledge and experience in this field - creating components of operating systems that most of us have used! Clearly your sponsors know too! Thanks for the video and sharing these beasts with us. If I could pair one with a 4090 I would definitely need to have my PC setup on two different circuits in my house.

@c1ph3rpunk

2 ай бұрын

@@roncaruso931to think I turned down the Microsoft offer in 1995.

@roncaruso931

2 ай бұрын

@@c1ph3rpunk Yes!! I give Dave all the credit. He deserves what he has. He worked hard.

@nathanbanks2354

2 ай бұрын

That motherboard & processor will support 7 4090's each with 16 PCIe lanes. Not sure about the power supply. 7 RTX 4090's are also cheaper than a pair of RTX 6000 Ada GPU's

@alexatkin

2 ай бұрын

@@nathanbanks2354 Just checked the 4090 FE, it scores ~34000 pulling 290W in Cinebench 2024. The catch with the desktop cards is their physical size is bigger so you couldn't fit them in the case.

Love the 1+ Horsepower analysis!

Yes, we did teach a rock to think, but not to oversimplify; first you have to flatten the rock and put lightning inside of it.

@MOSMASTERING

2 ай бұрын

Then covered it in water

@BinkyTheToaster

2 ай бұрын

@@MOSMASTERING I'm a little surprised that Dave didn't spring for a chiller. Given the machine was twenty grand, another few kilodollars for a real chiller isn't unrealistic.

@MOSMASTERING

2 ай бұрын

@@BinkyTheToaster Haha.. Kilodollars, I like it. Given the increase in prices in just about everything right now, I'm assuming kilodollars are how I'll be describing my weekly grocery shop... I think he mentioned something about this being as loan CPU for testing, so probably isn't allowed to screw with it too much. I'm upgrading my studio computer at the end of this year and I can't get a straight answer from anyone about what chip would serve me best, audio processing is an extremely unusual set of variables split between single core power and threads. I posted here in the hope Dave might find a way of doing benchmarks for audio type stuff..

@BinkyTheToaster

2 ай бұрын

@@MOSMASTERING that's true about the "loaner cpu." I was just thinking that the chiller would give the cores a bit more thermal overhead to run the clocks higher than what a simple closed-loop 420 would allow. I'm hoping to do a PCVR rig by EoY if only to cram it into an InWin POC (the green/yellow, it's total cyberpunk), but I want the video feed coming out the top USB/Displayport and I'm not sure how to rig a card to do that.

@djksfhakhaks

2 ай бұрын

Define "a rock" what is it composed of? Can it process? What are the properties? These are important things!

Nice space heater 👌🏻

@Carstuff111

2 ай бұрын

I thought my Gigabyte Windforce Radeon R9 290 made a great space heater back when I had one of those! HA!

@picobyte

2 ай бұрын

I actually run computers as heaters.

@tjthill

2 ай бұрын

I actually run folding@home overnight, don't need the central heating any more.

11:02 Anton the editor is incorrect. Precision Boost Overdrive is an overclocking mode found on all ryzen based systems from 3000 series onward and is part of the default UEFI implementation provided by AMD to it's partners. For a couple of easy examples, I have asus, gigabyte, and asrock boards currently in service in my house right now with various ryzen 3000 and 5000 series cpus that all support PBO.

Back in the day, you had a heater and no computer. Then you had a computer and a heater. Nowadays, your computer *is* your heater

@Nordlicht05

2 ай бұрын

I remember they said people you should save electricity. You can do more with it but it gets more and more and more.... And here the price for that goes up and up and...😅

@nono-oz4gv

2 ай бұрын

it's funny just how effective mine is at heating my room. if my psu wasnt crap, i could uncap my fps in games and my room would be a "cool" texas summer at 90f. capped, i've measured it at 84-5

@c128stuff

2 ай бұрын

I used to run a VAX at home.. that idea of your computer being your heater has been around for quite a while... 🙂

@bsz6328

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. My smallest room has no heating but a 13700 system.

@TomFynn

2 ай бұрын

@@c128stuffBack in the day, we had VAXes at Uni. Unobtainable for us mere mortals. Then, recently, I saw a vid on YT from some showing the inner workings of a VAX. A board for CPU, one for RAM, I/O etc. mounted on a back-plane. I thought: I can do this. Then he showed the backside of the back-plane with a tangle of yellow wires which needed to be configured to your setup. That's when my confidence waned. When I saw the power plug, I knew: Even if I could buy such a system, and even I I could configure it, the electricity bill would kill me.

4:30 Dave I suggest running folding@home if you ever want to run multi gpu tests and look at the points per hour calculation and test the entire system

@alexatkin

2 ай бұрын

Can be tricky though as not all work units scale to more CUDA cores, though admittedly its seems a lot rarer lately to get a WU that doesn't.

8:14 Dave (or anyone for that matter!) should probably have a look at Mold, it's a modern drop-in replacement for the GNU/GCC and LLVM linkers and it takes advantage of multiple cores. It's a bit dark wizardry, but it works amazingly well. Can't imagine how fast it would link huge project binaries on a 7995WX :-)

@Salzui

2 ай бұрын

It would be something that needs to get stable and adopted by the projects first, because thats what matters. you'd need to check if the final program with that linker is as well optimized etc

oh boy...I have my morning tea in hand....ready for another video ride Dave! Thanks for posting!

@dalrob9969

2 ай бұрын

We are lucky to have him here. Sharing cutting-edge technology with us. Clear and concise communication, illustrations, history, and information. We couldn't get any ware else in such a master who walks his talk. 😊

@devrim-oguz

2 ай бұрын

Soon, you can keep your tea heated with the CPU

"I haven't read Microprocessor report since branch prediction was a new thing" what a wonderful quote!!! And it was a wonderful publication!

Very well researched, written, presented, and produced! Great job, Dave :)

That looked like a clip from "Running on empty" a classic. Nice work again mate, loved every minute of it.

First, love the video! The absurdity of just taking a 96 core threadripper and turning on PBO is amazing. Second, I take minor issue with "you can only do 350W of work no matter the core counter". The energy efficiency of modern processors goes up dramatically when you slow them down. If you have enough work to keep 96 cores busy, 96 cores at 350W will do it a lot faster than 16 cores at 350W. That is assuming of course you have the IO to keep the 96 cores fed, which is not a small consideration. This threadripper is amazing is that it can effectively do both, it has a ton of cores for parallel work, and still has 5+GHz when the work gets single thready. Third, minor suggestion. I am an AMD enthusiast and I'd like to suggest you explore undervolting. PBO has a setting called the Curve Optimizer and what it does is give you a voltage offset that scales with the CPU's standard voltage setting at any given speed. The brilliance here is you aren't dialing in a big change that you'd want at a higher clock speed all the time. Quick primer done, AMD chips today seem to love undervolting. I have a 5800X3D and I set a -30 curve offset, which made my CPU clock about 5% faster under a prime95 test load at the same power limit. 5% isn't massive at 8 cores, but it's basically free performance, and on 96 cores that might be an impressive jump. Keep tinkering, I love this stuff. 🙂

@DavesGarage

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! That's why I was careful to note that its not linear... not every watt is equal!

@MsDuketown

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, 4.5Ghz for all 96 Cores is enough for desktop usage. Even as workstation, were sustained workloads need some wiggle room for an all nighter 😁

@awsomevideoperson

2 ай бұрын

Also, those extra cores will reduce the amount of context switching. Each one gets it's own L1 and L2, so you will have a higher hit rate. I would expect some workloads to benefit a lot more from more cores.

I'm really enjoying your videos, Dave.. excellent presentations, man...

It's been sometime since I cared about the main processor but your presentation made the instantiation of these new threadrippers into a new light!

Tip top content once again...appreciate the effort... We all know you do this out of love - and we LOVE it!

He’s been a Plumber for a year decades now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nice one Dave, I see what you did there.

Glad you got the samples to test and thanks for your eval. My wife is an elementary school special ed teacher and I got her your book for Christmas.

Dave, power on! You've created and are maintaining a garage that exists in my dreams. Thanks for sharing.

Not sure why I wasn’t subbed in the past having watched a few vids here and there when they popped up In the feed. Great enjoyable content my dood! Keep up the the great work!

can't believe I've only just found your channel. at least I have found it now. thank you Dave I'll be here for every new video now I'm subscribed.

This is the first time watching your channel really enjoyed this video. Thanks.

@DavesGarage

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Threadripper's the reason that I got into custom water cooling. The only AIO that fully covered the TR was the Enermax cooler and people were complaining about them failing (the coolant turned to sludge). They've had a few revisions since then, so I don't know if they still have that issue or not.

@user-ew8lt6yi2i

2 ай бұрын

yes they do. go heatkiller iv or similar, there are many choices but not enermax. anyway if you do have an enermax, clean it and refill it with pure distilled water +1 drop each of Mayhems Inhibitor+ / Mayhems Biocide+ (or similar). i think the problem is in the materials they used. i'll never touch enermax again

The uncore of these CPUs uses a lot of power. AnandTech did a really good write-up on older Threadripper processors which covered the high uncore power usage. My own old and 'lowly' TR2950X uses 35-45W for the uncore and 25-135W for the cores. The wider Infinity Fabric on the same generation of Epyc processors the uncore was 66-86W while core was 10-90W. Even disabling a lot of the cores still requires a lot of uncore power use.

@Salzui

2 ай бұрын

High "uncore" is not just a threadripper problem. my motherboard wanted to get 1.2v into uncore of a 5600x, it runs rockstable with ~0.88 or so for me

@greenaum

2 ай бұрын

They couldn't just call it "non-core", could they, the bunch of autists? Between the bionic hive-mind of the chip designers, and the monkeys on Macintoshes in marketing, that term somehow escaped out into the public. Even the smartest people are getting stupider.

@tyrkukulkan

2 ай бұрын

@@Salzui Voltage is kind of irrelevant in that instance. The uncore of the 5600X is much smaller than on a Threadripper and uses a lot less power. You can use something like HWMonitor to see the core/uncore power use under Windows.

I love this channel. You are amazing at explaining things with great detail and as a bonus, you are playing with some cool toys too!

I have to say, this is my first time viewing your channel and I loved listening to your content, excellent presentation, very professional indeed. I'm an intel XEON fanboy too, really enjoyed the content. :D

Excellent video, Cheers Dave

This is great! I've been trying to decide between buying an OEM and building a custom 7995WX system. This was exactly the data I needed.

So the Chromium browser is bigger than the Linux kernel? That surprised me.

@LiveType

2 ай бұрын

It shouldn't. Linux for how diverse it gets is a very tightly run ship for the core components. Google... is Google. Chromium has become an absolutely sprawling monolith akin to a full blown os.

@Martinit0

Ай бұрын

These days browsers are operating systems by themselves.

thanks for this bucketful knowledge you shared dave

For an all in one watercooling system like this, I'd expect the maximum sustained dissipation to sit somewhere between 200-350W for a desktop CPU, possibly a bit more for this setup since the heatspreader is so enormous. For 1000W you basically need a custom loop with some MoRa external radiators or a waterchiller. "For some reason or another, I could never get their RGB software working" - that's a very common occurance, it's amazing how all of these RGB software suites manage to be even worse than the next. Great video by the way, you've gotten really good at these. Compare the way you're speaking now to some of your earliest videos, quite the difference.

@Steamrick

2 ай бұрын

You're seriously underestimating how much heat a small radiator can dissipate if you don't mind the water getting a bit toasty and the fans getting a bit noisy. Remember the >300W GPUs with a single 120mm radiator AIO for cooling? I do...

@VraccasVII

2 ай бұрын

@@Steamrick I had some of those, yeah (6900XTXH LC). There are other issues aside from just the total amount of heat where radiator size can help you. The quality of your waterblock matters a lot more at 500W+ than at 200W. At 1kW you should have a dedicated product and not something that is primarily designed for desktop platforms. The highest dissipation I cooled for prolonged amounts of time was with intel's skylake-x, where CPU-only I got to around 750W. To keep this from thermal throttling, I needed to run the best available block directly on the die instead of using the integrated heatspreader, since while my radiators could dissipate the heat, my block could not keep up with the additional layers between it and the core. At some point, you cannot buy a better waterblock anymore (or run into diminishing returns), but may still run into thermal throttling regardless even if you could theoretically dissipate enough heat via your radiators. Once you reach that point, reducing your coolant temperature by having more surface area to work with (or using a water chiller) helps immensely with this issue. You'll also want a good pump or course!

Great video on the 7995WX.

I always wondered what it would look like if I were to do this. thanks!

at around 8mins 50seconds that scanline shader or whatever it is, is magic to my eyes !!!! thanks

Amazing video Dave!

Great video Dave!!

BRAVO!!! Thank you for the Engineering!

"when its allowed to run free and eat" Love it, because it is eating amps and spitting out watts! Thanks for leaving that in!

@DigitalJedi

2 ай бұрын

Given V-core is likely around 1.4v under load, we can guess that socket was pumping a bit over 700A into the CPU through all those little pins. I've welded with a lot less current that that.

thank you for this awesome video dave

Can I just say, the colour grading and quality of video seems immaculate... better than 90% of "professional" KZread channels.. Considering the amount of lights, RGB and various colours all around you - its all captured and reproduced fantastically. I assume you know what you're doing with video encoding types. I haven't made videos in well over 15 years, so I'm totally out of touch with anything video related.

Right on. Thanks for sharing.

You Got It! Great Video!! Thank You!!

Oh wow, I got my 14900k to pull 375 continuous... after about 5 mins the mo-bo became heat soaked and we blue screened... 1000w is wild!

nVidia's latest Grace Hopper CAUs- possibly the most expensive silicon ever sold on the open market- can dissipate over 1kW of heat in operation.

Very interesting stuff, Dave! I built my own system a couple of years ago. I didn't give myself a completely unlimited budget, but I didn't cheap out. Luckily, I did my research and kept everything in spec and made sure everything fit without modification. Thus, I've never had unstable performance or stability issues. I think that's the biggest takeaway from your video.

Excellent video as always. Did the homebrew prove to be stable in the longer term?

Thanks Dave!

Great episode

"My name is Dave Engineer, a retired Operating System plummer!" Plus: I like the way you are literally buying time!

Nice to see a channel where I can check in once in a while and see what the fastest PC in the world is like :)

PBO is an AMD technology, Asus just implements it on their motherboards. So Dave is correct.

I was going to buy that motherboard just to enlarge my E-Penis, but I couldn't find any other justification to own one. So I settled for half a dozen Dell R610's and a server rack enclosure. I love the loud jet-like fan noise/heat emanating from them. It's absolute bliss when everything at home is powered 24/7 with solar panels and 45KW hours of lifepo4 batteries. Dave here too, but not a plumber - cheers from Texas

Very cool. Yup on the Spectrum.

Epic video. A custom water block with compression fittings and some proper rads/fans (dual d5 pumps) could probably shave alot more off that time.

I’m thinking that one of the PDP 11’s might be able to compete on the thermal side of the challenge. I enjoy watching you working projects which go as far back as the PDP and Altair and as up to date as the Threadrippers. Of all my old PDP collection the only part I use on a regular basis is my old DEC coffee cup. Thanks.

More outtakes please Dave- genuinely funny!

Surprised a guy like you Dave, didn't build a custom water loop. First time watching your channel. I miss Dos 6.0...starting to play with it in middle school.

Back in the early 1990s I bought a Sun 3/160 from a guy out in East Bay. I remember opening up the front of the cabinet and seeing the sticker “1.5 KW” on the power supply. Went straight to KW, no messing around with Watts. 😊

Interesting and entertaining! It would make an excellent fan or radiator heater for winter; simple heaters do nothing but heat. The expense is a bit of a stopper for me. Then there is the question of what work I would really need it to do. That is impressive.

That's awesome Dave! Can't afford a system like that yet but man, what a beast! Thinking maybe a 7960X non pro with more RAM than I have now (architecture / 3D rendering) would work.

at 7:07 you said gpu when you meant cpu - amazing video as always!

On the subject of custom watercooling - I'd always recommend steering clear of bending pipes (aka hard tubing) and go with industrial black ZMT instead. The compression fittings are foolproof and in 5 years I've had exactly 1 leak - and that was because I forgot to put a blanking plug into on of the ports on my GPU block.

@SeanBZA

2 ай бұрын

So l ong as you also make sure to use the right tubing cutter, and also to lubricate the O ring seals insode the fittings as well before inserting the tube. Makes a big difference to them, especially at the larger sizes, and at the small end where those seals have very little leeway in them.

Thank you for translating the wattage to horsepower. Finally the gap between my two greatest interests, since childhood, has been closed.

Gj, nice comparisons. I'm still struggling with delidding a 13700 since it's limited by the lid. A lid that just doesn't wanna break lose :D

This was very informative. Thank you for your excellent videos. I wonder if the core count will continue to increase and eventually high-core-count processors will become a commodity. I expect the technology will no longer be silicon by the time that happens, and the power requirements will be lower.

Great stuff love your videos ! unfortunately to expensive for me although i would love to have one ... Question : could you do a Best Possible budget build for a Nuc based pc which could be sourced world wide ? I would love some pointers from you .. Thanks

Just keep in mind that the Enermax Liqtech TR4 have had a lot of issues with corrosion and precipitation inside. Not sure if that has been fixed.

Would love to see NiceHash CPU mining on XMRig using the RandomX as a benchmark. Would be fun to see how it compares and then you could also test the 100% workload how it affects the cooling system, which you did later in the video using other ways. Good job!

Thank you!

i really wish i could build this system, awesome just awesome!

NOTHING is more satisfying that opening a well-built PC in terms of chassis quality and wire management.

I love these ultra high performance PC videos!

GOOD GREIF! I guess that's why I watch Dave.

Omg I'm jealous of the custom built you did. I could configure that sucker to run well. That 512gb of ddr5 5800 is no doubt putting the board traces to the test. You could completely get stability with 5200 m/ts. Good logic for figuring out the waterblock issue.

I've been using that case for several years for my 12900ks setup. It's a solid case.

Thank you, Dave, for always bringing us the relevant information that we need without all the frills and bullshit some channels dabble in. It's refreshing to find what's needed in the age of clickbait. Stay fresh and keep it real, Dave.

I've run into that with memory several time, even when you buy the exact DIMMs recommended by the MB maker, they often just done run stably at specified speed under load. I once bought a replacement mother board thinking I had a thermal issue and later discovered that there was a single bad row in a brand new DIMM when the new MB had the exact same symptoms of the old one. D'Oh

Those are some pretty cool space heaters Dave 😎

Now compiling chrome in under an hour, that’s a flex.

Dave I just purchased a thermal contact plate for my Intel 13th gen cpu. It replaces the stock bracket and gives it more surface area to dissipate heat.

Good job!!!

I talked to the friendly and very helpful people at Puget Systems, but they don't do water cooled. I was planning to put in the basement where it won't heat up the office and is closer to the distribution panel and its noise won't be a problem. Sometimes it is true that. "The more you by the more you save".

Hey Dave, just so you know, your channel is NOT that small!! Kudos to get 3 of those beasts.. Shoot I'm excited I grabbed a 5800x3d (I play games on that machine) for 289 nib.. Oh well.

"Run free and eat..." I love that! Now I have to look for opportunities to use it.

Really sweet. As I remember when dirt was invented, it's always good to see one of my generation rocking the absolute cutting edge kit. Hope to live long enough to catch one of these chips that I could afford on the used market, maybe. I rather enjoy seeing what percentage of the latest and greatest with my outdated, used gear. I think Dell (or one of the OEMs) just announced plans to accommodate a 1000w GPU from nVidia. Maybe you'll have to revisit your 1000w CPU paired with whatever 1000w GPU seems to be in the pipeline?

Awesome video! Loved the results and the custom machine for the 1kw tests. Only thing I would’ve changed on it is upgrade the PSU to a 1500-1600w (maybe more) one, might reduce the chance of crashes with the extra headroom since the cores are pulling 1kw with the CPU’s IO die pulling probably 100-150w plus the rest of the system, then the 1200w PSU isn’t up to snuff anymore. (I’m sure it can handle a bit of a overload, but not for 15-30 mins haha)

@Martinit0

Ай бұрын

Might explain random spontaneous reboots.

Dave, superlatives may be "cool" for some people, but not really very interesting, for some at least. I find your other videos with interviews, about code, soon-to-be everyday innovative technologies (like the addressable RGB LEDs video), etc., much more interesting. At least I personally don't need all the "fastest", "strongest", "largest", "smallest", "most powerful", "mega", "giga", etc. stuff. I find your insights into normal things much, much more interesting and, in fact, quite intriguing.

I have a Puget System's workstation at home. They were worth every penny. More than a year after purchase they are still incredibly responsive to queries and I am confident if, god forbid, I had any hardware issues they would resolve them within the terms of their warranties with no bullshit (and that is a big reason for why I was ok with the higher price, no back and fourth). Additionally if the root cause of any failure was out of warranty they wouldn't hesitate to give me all the information I needed to order a replacement part.

Very fun content Thank you.

Ah, waiting on compilers/cross-assemblers. Spent a 'few' hours doing that in the early '80's running a bit-slice assembler on a PDP-ll/70. Took an hour for every run. The AMD 2901 4-bit slice disk-controllers typically had a 48 to 64 bit control-store 'word' which required recompiling MANY times during the the controllers development. A Ryzen back then would have made life simpler. Eventually 'canned' uP's were used, i.e. 8X300 or 80186, which came with a pre-defined instructions set.

Dave, custom water cooling is no big deal and is not very difficult, given a case big enough and designed for it. The key is measuring and planning with appropriate parts that will fit. Don't be afraid of it as the benefit will be well worth the effort.

@MathewPanicker1010

2 ай бұрын

Too much hassle

I wonder how long it will be before these kinds of setups are consider "old school" or "vintage". Amazing how far we have come.

As someone that do not have any RGB or window in my pc. Honestly I would recommend you to make a water cool loop. It is great fun, looking at different blocks adding all the radiates you can fint in your case and set the fan speed to below audible levels. I use soft tubing and fittings that hold on tight, ran the loop without booting the pc, got all the air out of the loop and made sure there was no leaks. Honestly it is pretty easy but very satisfying.

@q1337

2 ай бұрын

As someone who does have a window, and is running a H110 for almost 10 years now, the fans are very quiet, system is 3x as quiet as a laptop, with 120mm fans but that damn pump noise, cuts through everything and is louder than a 3.5" hard drive. The pump noise alone is worth avoiding liquid cooling if you can, at least in my opinion. Otherwise it would be whisper quiet, I'm talking about my i7 4770k system, ancient by modern standards but still kicking! :)

@Petch85

2 ай бұрын

@@q1337 I have no pump noice. The only noise i have is coil whine from the GPU when passing ~300 FPS. It is not often I hear that. But still annoying. If you had the system for 10 years you have probably tried this. 1. Tray moving the pump while it is running to move air that might be stuck in the pump. Try to get the air stuck at the top of the loop, have the tubes at the lowest point of the radiator and so on. 2. Try changing the pump speed to see if this changes the sound. 3. Top off the loop with demineralized water. 4. Well after 10 years you could clean the loop. Maybe dere is something stuck in the pump. If you had an open loop you could have changed the pump.

@q1337

2 ай бұрын

@@Petch85 Yeah, well I have it mounted the classic way on the fan slots at the top of the motherboard, the tubes are horizontally aligned with the radiator so water flow is optimal, I set the pump 3 pin (CPU fan header) to max power, no control years ago since I read the pump was designed to be run at max speed, fans were the things that were to be adjusted as needed, besides, the pump is even louder when going slower, topping off a fully closed off AIO is a good idea after so long, but since I doubt there is buildup (since it's fully closed off, and sounds exactly the same for the last 10 years) I'm not gonna bother with it. The most amazing thing I should mention is it's still under warranty :D It came with a 10 year warranty and im around one quarter away from that time. I know tech improved and maybe I just chose the wrong AIO at the time (in regards to noise, cooling is great, max ~50c at 3.9GHz full load all cores with HT) but with the advancement of noctua air coolers I'm gonna finally completely get rid of the slight pump noise. To be completely clear, the pump is very silent, but the thing is when the rest of the system is dead silent (5x 120mm noctua fans with low noise adapters, corsair psu that is passively cooled (never reaches 50% usage))it sticks out as the only thing you can hear.

@Petch85

2 ай бұрын

@@q1337 No I get it. If something makes noise it makes noise and that is frustrating. And You are right that a good air cooler can probably do about just as well an AIO. I am not the biggest fan of AIO's myself, but on the other hand I do understand why people like them. They seem easy. But I perfer open loops. Cause you can clean them your self, add GPU cooling, add as much radiators as you case can handle. And when you get a new pc, you can just reuse it. But they are more expensive and a little harder to install. I have had 2 water cooling pumps over the years, and non of them had made any sound. I have installed them with some soft material to avoid any vibrations traveling though the tower. And I am just running them at a fixed speed (I adjust the fan speed depending on the water temp in the loop, but I have 2x360 radiators and my delta temp is never above 6 C, so the fans are always running super slow). But to hear the water pumps you need to have the side panels off and have your head inside the tower. And at that point you can hear the moving air around you head anyway and it is hard to see the screen. 😂 My tower has a little sound dampening material But I have 8 fan + the PSU fan, thus the tower is pretty open, and I promise you, you cannot hear the pump from outside the tower. At one point I had two loops in the same pc, and even with two pumps you could not hear the pumps at all. I have worked on a friends pc that had a Corsair h80, but I don't remember hearing the pump. But that Pc had a lot of other problems, the 120 mm puss/pull fans was unnecessary loud. We ended up changing the cooler for an air cooler, because the block was installed using the wrong stand-offs and therefore did not make good contact with the CPU. So I never really focused on the pump sound. So I can't tell you if your pump sound is normal or not. But it does not sound normal to me, I would not expect to be able to here the pump on a system installed in a normal pc case from outside the case.

@q1337

2 ай бұрын

@@Petch85 I replaced the fans on my h110 before installing it with noctua 120mms NH12 i think, and my case is a corsair 750D with the front panel removed (idiots designed it with 0 air intake, but put 2 120mm fans behind it) since the replacement "Airflow" panel was a ripoff. I admit it would sound a tiny bit quieter if I put it on but I'm not the only one that complained about the pump. It's probably just how it's designed to work, It is after all somewhat early design of AIOs, no rgb, all black, wires seem cheap etc. But like I said, it's not that big of a deal just the fans hit a certain frequency and this thing hits another and stands out. as for custom vs this, I never wanted to have something I needed to think about maintaining, just wanted to put it in and forget it. For that part it did it wonderfully. One critical thing that pissed me off was there was no refill hole/access port, they completely sealed it which due to the use of rubber etc is not perfect and eventually it will run out of liquid, I mean I doubt many people use their AIO for nearly 10 years but still, how much could it cost them for 1 hole with a fitting so I can refill/flush it without drilling it