Gowron wasn’t assassinated or even murdered, he was killed during legal combat. Not much of a distinction, but it exists.

@johnbrogan6583

27 күн бұрын

yes

@sheafferw

27 күн бұрын

Yes not assassination

@benwillems8584

27 күн бұрын

Agreed, though as Worf understood what challenging Gowron would lead to, it was a planned killing to remove him from power, even if the method was "legal"

@jcbaker10

27 күн бұрын

I think Sean's point in the video is that the combat was planned, not spur of the moment passion. Hence, a planned killing for political purpose.

@pauls478

27 күн бұрын

@@benwillems8584 - Gowron's death was schemed at, yes...but it's not really an assassination when the target (a) sees the fight coming, and (b) has an equal chance of killing his attacker in open combat.

I say it every time it pops up in a video, but 'In the Pale Moonlight' is a remarkable 45 mins of television. The stylistic choice of it being narrated as a log entry, the writing, the performances, and the sheer balls of it, my God, excellent!

@chefdean7257

27 күн бұрын

Did ya know, Senator Vreenak is the actor that played old Owlman in Watchmen movie ?

@terencewalker9215

27 күн бұрын

"In the pale moonlight" in my opinion is in the best 5 episodes of Trek ever

@stream_gene

27 күн бұрын

​@@terencewalker9215 I gotta ask then, what are the other 4? For me Measure of a Man Far Beyond the Stars Yesterday's Enterprise Darmok In the Pale Moonlight But those are haaaaaard choices that took years of thinking lol

@stream_gene

27 күн бұрын

@@chefdean7257 I did funnily enough, I love all these weird connections between films and tv, eg, the Romulan commander who helped the Enterprise-E against the Scimitar, the actress who played her played Dizzy in Starship Troopers lol

@modernvisionscc

27 күн бұрын

Absolutely my favorite episode ever

As important to the story as Gowron's death was, I wouldn't call it an assasination. It was ritual combat between a challenger and the challenged, and everyone knew what they were getting themselves into.

@Krahazik

27 күн бұрын

NOw the death of Warf's mate, which set off that challenge, is a different matter.

@johndeltuvia7892

27 күн бұрын

@@Krahazik You're confusing the killing of Duras (also legitmate in Klingon law) with the killing of Gowron. Worf killed Duras for the death of K'Ehleyr while he was serving on the USS Enterprise 1701-D. Worf killed Gowron in ritual combat after accusing Gowron of cowardice. Gowron could have stood aside (technically), but he accepted the challenge to duel. This was while Worf was serving as Chief Tactical Officer on DS9. It is interesting that both deaths served the Federation, but Picard reprimanded Worf for his actions, while Sisko practically ordered Worf to challenge Gowron. Neither were assassinations. Both took place in full view of numerous Klingons, who stood aside as their culture demanded.

@roberts.1050

27 күн бұрын

Thank you for saying that. This was not an assassination.... Taking off your restrictive closing and choosing weapons to square off in a fight to the death is not an assassination.

@WardenWolf

27 күн бұрын

@@johndeltuvia7892 And Worf was one of the best Bat'leth duelists in the galaxy, having won multiple competitions. Gowron, on the other hand, had never shown his combat prowess onscreen and likely did not have time to maintain his skills while running the Empire. He was guaranteed to be rusty, at the very least. Sisko knew well what he was sending after Gowron.

@Neruz_85

27 күн бұрын

@@roberts.1050 Assassination; "the act of deliberately killing someone especially a public figure, usually for money or for political reasons." or "murder by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons : the act or an instance of assassinating someone (such as a prominent political leader)". Just by the definition of the word it would not exclude the way Worf executed the act. Assassination does not need to be a secretive act performed from within the shadows.

I see Garak as thumbnail, i click like 😂

@NeverLetOff

27 күн бұрын

Same

@gohawks3571

25 күн бұрын

And now I'm here😂👍👍👍

"When the law stands in the way... OUTSOURCE!" I am going get that engraved and placed on a wall 🤣

@benwillems8584

27 күн бұрын

That one made me blurt out a chortle

Seriously, how many times does Worf have to save the whole Alpha quadrant before they give him his own series?

@WardenWolf

27 күн бұрын

To be fair, that would just be him killing everything in his path.

@DarthAzabrush

27 күн бұрын

Not as many as Rom.

@FirstDan2000

26 күн бұрын

Star Trek: Worf.

@Raitdj

26 күн бұрын

@@FirstDan2000 sounds good to me.

@Gilhelmi

24 күн бұрын

I mean, technically Worf has been in the most Star Trek media since he was such a major character in multiple series. But yes, Star Trek: Worf would be amazing. Maybe we could see so of his time as the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire.

By far, "Into the Pale Moonlight," is the best of trek. It was film excellence, from the log style filming, to the most amazing acting. The event itself changed everything in the trek universe, as well it made a permanent change for Trek mythos and ethic.

For Gowron, i had the impression that Ezri Dax also made good arguments that decides worf's actions.

@elweese

27 күн бұрын

I agree, I think what she said to Worf decided how he was going to act.

*'In the Pale Moonlight'* is _my_ #1 😳🤯

@cmbaz1140

27 күн бұрын

Peak StarTrek writing and acting.

@SaulofTarsis

25 күн бұрын

indeed! no other even comes close...many others' results could have been achieved with the organic progression of the Dominion War. itPML establishes survival for Federation and sets stages for everything that follows. Dahj Asha is undone by horrible writing of ST:P and constant retcon in each of the three seasons...but that's different topic.

"Ol' Bugeyes himself"! Haha!

This video backs up my feelings that DS9 is easily the best version of Star Trek

@merickful

27 күн бұрын

Agreed. Though I am ashamed that it took me years to realize this.

@SharpYT97

27 күн бұрын

Still tied with voyager for me

@amandavelvet5410

27 күн бұрын

Just what I was thinking seeing this.

I'm very much of the opinion (and always have been) that there are two Ben Siskos. The first, Commander Sisko, was a victim of the turgid storylines. The second, Captain Sisko, coinciding with Avery Brooks shaving his head and growing a beard, was a genuine badass who gave the impression he would do whatever it took to achieve the right result, even if that trod the fine line (and occasionally crossed said line) running through the moral grey area of fighting a major war. Avery Brooks brought so much conviction to the role that you have to wonder, if anyone else had been cast as Sisko, would they have been as convincing during this seasons-long story arc? I think not.

@G3rain1

26 күн бұрын

Trod the line? In some cases the dude sprinted across it without looking back.

@Gilhelmi

24 күн бұрын

Captain Sisko is the finest wartime Captain Starfleet ever had. I would have followed him to Hell and back. He is the Point of the Spearhead. Captain Picard was the finest overall Captain. He is the one I would want to negotiate for peace. Of course, with the Enterprise-E to assist him. He is more the Pen of Peace. I love all the Captains in their own unique way....... but I need to catch up on modern Star Trek, I have only watched most of Lower Decks.

@jfbeam

23 күн бұрын

When they allowed "Hawk" to run the show, it got interesting. (If you've never watched his earlier work, please do.)

I can't say no to Garak. He appears in the thumbnail, best believe I'm gonna watch the video, no matter what it is

@swampfaye

27 күн бұрын

ditto. Literally why I clicked on the thumbnail.

@paulleckner8235

25 күн бұрын

He looks quite similar to the zodiac killer that San Francisco Police Department dirty Harry Callahan had to kill.

No, no no! Sisko did _not_ "order" Worf to kill Gowron, and I don't think Worf himself had decided on that course of action until the moment his challenge came. To say that Sisko ordered it just by pointing out that Gowron is squandering resources, well, you may as well say that Ezri Dax "ordered" Gowron's assassination when she pointed out to Worf that there hasn't been an honourable Chancellor in possibly centuries.

And the second time Worf had a direct hand in changing the course of Klingon affairs.

I've watched Ds9 like 150 times,im definitely watching this.

@cmbaz1140

27 күн бұрын

Only 150 ?

The assassination of Senator Vreelak saved so many lives it's ridiculous to think about. Even if you ignore the lives saved during the Dominion war, his death was the only reason the Federation offered any help when Romulus went supernova, even if Starfleet did drop the ball on that one.

@kotlolish

27 күн бұрын

"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." ...And section 31 was probably happy at that kill.

@maesdejardin8648

27 күн бұрын

@@kotlolish Sloan in the turbolift: "But, I was about to murder him in a plot to draw them into the war" And, can we give a madlad round of applause to Worf, for installing Kahless as Emperor, and both Gowron and Martok as Chancellor? No one Klingon has directed the empire more than the son of Mogh, not even Kahless the Unforgettable. And, it's hilarious because he's basically just a Klingon weeb, cosplaying what he thinks a true Klingon is, and somehow nailed it better than the rest of the Empire.

Sisko was an excellent war time captain. He straddled the line: he was moral, he was practical, he was ruthless.

When you think about it, if the essentially entire Romulan political upper class hadn’t been assassinated by Shinzon in 2379, the Supernova that destroyed Romulus wouldn’t have caused so much destruction due to political dysfunction by the power vacuum. Perhaps Romulan Empire would still be intact albeit not on Romulus any more

I'm a simple person. I hear my favorite lines from "In The Pale Moonlight," I hit the like button. It cannot be overstated just how much I love that episode!

How did he leave out the assassination of Admiral Forrest which led to the rediscovery of Surak ending the Vulcan Andorian war.

@elweese

27 күн бұрын

Was Admiral Forrest's death the main reason for that explosion or was he just collateral damage? Maybe that's why.

@donaldstinnett5630

24 күн бұрын

Forrest wasn't singled out for assassination; he was one of the victims of the terrorist attack. There were others.

Never make enemies of the Sisko... :P

I would like to Add... Worf has been directly responsive for 2 klingon chancellors coming to lead the Klingon Empire. Its kinda fascinating actually cause I think its kinda apparent that Worf could actually be Khaless its just he hasn't gotten to the point he goes back in time yet to become it. So the "return" of Khaless was more likely him actually being born in the first place.

I wonder if Worf giving power to Martok rather than seizing the power himself might be the answer to Kaless's prophesy that Worf would do something that no other Klingon had done.

There is an automatic UP if you quote and highlight "In the pale Moonlight!!!" 👍

"In Pale Moonlight" should have been #1. No one ever messed the Romulans up like Garak and Sisko did.

@FriendlyNeighborhoodNitpicker

10 күн бұрын

Yeah but if it had been, we would’ve all been sitting there screaming at the video through the other nine, saying yeah but what about in the pale moonlight?! Lol

I have no doubt there are more 'incidents' that Garak was involved in that could be expounded on ...

Objection - Gowron wasn't assassinated. He agreed to duel Worf. This would turn out to be a grave mistake and his last mistake.

When is an assassinations not called an assassination? I give you -- Edith Keeler

Gowron being killed in battle is not an assassination

I would not call them all assassinations. Gowron and Worf had a fight or duel to the death. Not an assassination or murder

@Krahazik

27 күн бұрын

Agreed, now the killing of Warf's mate which set off that challenge is another story.

Gowron's death wasn't an assassination. It wouldn't be seen as such in Klingon culture, nor should we consider it as such. Gowron lost a fair fight and died because of it. The challenge was completely legal according to Klingon law.

I'm not entirely sure Gowron should count as an assassination. It was a proper challenge in line with Klingon law done by a Starfleet officer with dispensation to do so, so it wouldn't be out of line on the Federation side of things either.

imma jump on the Gowron wasnt assassinated bandwagon it was full illegal ritualized combat

Yes but one of those involved in Chancelor Gorkans death was Siskos grandfather.

I miss Gowron's buggy-buggy eyes!

3:04 that was a perfect bargain. Good job guys.

Garak was one of my favorite Star Trek characters, hands down. He was equally comfortable with fitting you for a nice outfit as he was at slitting your throat. Ruthless to the core and completely dispassionate about it. If someone needs to be killed, he won't bat an eye about it.

Old bug eyes... that was funny.

Was Gorkon assassinated because he didn't see 5 lights? HAHAHAHAHA

@elweese

27 күн бұрын

David Warner was an incredible actor.

I always loved the probable fact that Garak almost certainly used the bio-mimetic gel he got from Sisko to blow up the Romulan shuttle. That’s why no explosive was detected.

I think that Vreenak should have been #1 because it is likely the thing that changed the entire tide of the war. Had the Romulans not joined the war, it is likely that there would be nothing for Gowron to squander.

I would say that whatever future Janeway did to the Borg Queen should be on top of that list!

The perfect thumbnail for this video

I was really expecting Gorkon to be number one.

Well being klingon chancellor was pretty dangerous. Gorkon Kempec Gowron.

Technically Worf's duel with Gowron was not assassination but rather a legitimate way under Klingon law to install a new high consular.

Gowron has the best face, lol

I guess Garak din't consider Vreenek's body guards important enough to mention.

Gowron's death was not an assassination, that lacks HONOR which Worf is super obsessed with...

I have a hard time defining a death in open man to man combat as "murder"

"When law stands in the way, outsource!" - I'll remember that one.

It’s so interesting to see Sisko slowly accept Klingon beliefs & traditions, after threatening to charge Worf with murder for performing the Mauk-to’Var ritual with Kurn in “Sons of Mogh”.

"Old Bug Eyes". That was funny.

Seán, you do a pretty good impression of Garak!

I still think Vreenak was the most noteworthy assassination because it changed the course of the biggest war in the Alpha Quadrant's history. It was like Stalingrad and US intervention in WW2, the two events that turned the tide in that war. You could argue that the Breen cancelled out the Romulan's, but really once the Breen weapon was no longer an issue (which happened shortly after their introduction to the war) the Breen armada wasn't as big a boost to the Dominion any longer, and so the advantage the Romulan's gave was almost all but revived. The Breen joining the Dominion was like a last gasp, and the Cardassian rebellion just sped up the inevitable end of the war. I don't think any other assassination listed here (and I agree that Gowron doesn't class as an assassination) is as significant in terms of how effective it was in changing events in Star Trek.

What about the most important person in the galaxy? Miles O'brien. He almost died many times, visionary from ds9 comes to mind.

Worf killing duras and gowron and installing the following high chancellor shows to me that the house of mogh is the true power in the Empire

WAS Gorkon's Death a big deal? Wasn't he already planning on working closer with the Federation, pushed faster due to Praxis? Like, I remember his daughter saying she wanted to continue his plans

Gowron's death is essentially just a common, ritualistic change of power...not an assassination. Gorkon should have been number one. Top 3 at least

Old bug eyes himself. 🤣oh I'm an eyeist.👽

Worf had more influence in alpha sector politics than anyone is willing to admit

I still suspect that in the case of Vreenek, the Tal Shiar did ultimately figure it out, and were legitimately impressed that a star fleet officer would have the guile and fortitude to use their own methodology against them.

Garak is still the best character in the Star Trek universe! He's the antithesis of everything the Federation stands for, but he took care of business whenever he needed to.

The death of Warf's mate I think should have been on the list since it gave Worf motivation and legal reason to challenge the incomming chancellor and kill him in a dual of honor.

"I made you a chancelor, I can unmake you." - Worf to Martok, the unsaid subtext.

How important does someone have to be before they are considered assassinated, as opposed to simply murdered?

it really is amazing how the noble star fleet gets quite involved in international affairs.

Good list.

Worf put Gowron in power. Worf took that power away. He also paved the way for the clone of Kahless to be installed as Emperor, though it was merely a title. Anybody who claims Worf isn't at least the second most important Klingon ever clearly hasn't had the urge to learn Klingon as a means to write an opera about him. (Kahless still has the number one spot due to being worshiped by the entire Empire. Also, no... I still don't know the language.)

One of the assassinations was that of Tuvix so Voyager could make it back and survive long enough in the Delta Quadrant to make a bunch of changes in that whole area to include the Borg, all the different groups they ran into and everything Janeway has a hand in later.

Not so much an assassination, but the entire silver blood crew's death, followed by the reveal that we'd been following ghosts all season, set back the Voyager crew by a good season or two - the original Voyager crew had never gotten their hands on, much less installed, a transwarp drive, so their ETA back to Earth was still around 90 years.

Its funny, what Garak and Sisko did to Senator Vrenak basically follows 'Inter Arma Silent Legos'.

Worf. Emperor maker. The SECOND most important StarFleet officer...

"You don't want to be vaporized because you need a body, the disruptor ruined your clothing, the knife was too savage, the nerve gas smelled bad, hanging took too long, and poison… What was wrong with poison?"

Gawron wasn't an assassination, that was ritual combat.

Looking at the title, and the words "it's a fake" just jump into my mind

Technically, Future Admiral Janeway assassinated the Borg. The repercussions from that event, meant that the Borg were no longer a near unstoppable galactic threat.

Gowron is and will always be my favorite Klingon.

What about the Borg queen in First Contact?

Between the top 5 and top 10 of all Trek episodes.

the different ways to kill Quark was great...

CRIME and SCI-FI, one of my favorite blends. I would often look to STAR TREK for it's look into a possible future that would change everything. Could land a planet that it's race of people knew the SECRETS of REVERSE-AGING. THE QUEST FOR IMMORTALITY. Could that secret be CALORIC INTAKE is controlled. Yes, a world where people barely EAT, but EAT enough to maintain health. A world where cigarettes are banned. Come to think about it, this would make a good sci fi book to read, if Star Trek doesn't do this.

Gowron was not assassinated. He was killed honorably in glorious combat by Worf, Son of Mogh.

Why are there examples of the Picard show on the list when is is clearly not StarTrek??

the killing and more importantly the cover up of the death klingon ambassador in SNW, changed Mbenga and Chapel for me, i would love for those 2 characters to be written out and the awesome actors given new roles

Sisko would make a badass Section 31 operative

Yeah,Garak has been an important part of assassinations for who knows how long! And those Klingons are ridiculous! 😐

I see the video. I hear Séans voice. I stick around for the whole video.

Wow so Kirk was responsible for the Attendant i have more thanks to give him

I never picked up on the Section 31-esque Sisko part of the Gowron assassination. The order of some of these are questionable, probably because you need to appeal to a younger audience, but you did a great job.

Did anyone fail to see what the Paclids would do as soon as they said, "We look for things that make us go."?

I don't think you can call #1 an assassination. Worf killed Gorwron in a straight up honorable fight, assassins usually (actually always) operate from the shadows. If Worf had poisoned him, or shot him then that would be an assassination.

@Malrottian

27 күн бұрын

I think it's more the fact that it was under direct orders for the furtherance of a political goal rather than the method chosen which makes it an assassination.

The rankings clearly don't matter if unnamed Obsidion Order assassins rank higher than Gorkon.

Ole Bug Eyes...LOL

Vreenek should be #1. It's a masterpiece.

I liked Gowron. What bothered me most about him was his constant jealousy and fear of being usurped. I suppose it was warranted in his position given the political climate at the time, but he was so fearful more than anyone else of Martok. Martok wasn't a threat to him, really. Martok was unusual in not wanting power, and especially not wanting to be in the very top seat of power. He didn't like politics, he wanted to be at the forefront of the action. He was so sensible, kind, and just. But Gowron didn't pay attention to him or watch him, and instead just assumed the worst intentions. Had Gowron realized that Martok wasn't a direct threat to him, he might have also realized that if anything, Martok may have been his greatest defense. When Gowron put his mind to it, he was a great chancellor. He demonstrated more than once that he was capable of being a good leader and making great things happen. He was in favor of peace between the Galactic Federation and the Klingon Empire, something which was critically important for both Republics. He had the power to further solidify that peace, it was right in his grasp, but he feared a death which wasn't looming over him and that ultimately led him into a death that didn't originally want him. The greatest tragedy of Supreme Chancellor Gowron was the irony that as the greatest force for changing the Klingon culture into what it needed to become, he was thusly unfit to live within what it currently was. Martok was an amazing general and I think I could call him the greatest Klingon hero I have ever seen. But he wasn't cut out to be Supreme Chancellor.

Does Ro Laren count?

"The cunning Duros sisters." Yes, the "Get your pelvis broken twise for the price of one." Oh, im not complaining.

That's "Glorious Bugeyes" to you! Show some respect.