I'm convinced when Christopher Daniels is 140 years old he will still be in better shape than me

@josephdell8056

3 жыл бұрын

He will probably still be doing moonsaults when he's 80. Lol

@damiancurran1762

2 жыл бұрын

He will definitely be thinner 🤭

@dustinsteele3069

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's called the Best Moonsault Ever because it has age reducing powers?

@honestreviewer7788

2 жыл бұрын

@@dustinsteele3069 could be. And let's not forget he is the fallen angel. So he might already be 400yeaes old

@phantom31017

2 жыл бұрын

It makes sense. I’m convinced that he’s actually some sort of Eldritch being.

I mean, I could be wrong here, but I thought I heard that Chris actually wanted that role of getting younger talent over...

@Wearesobackbro

3 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure he did in his 2nd NXT run. First run im not so sure lol

@chrisblester37

3 жыл бұрын

The 2nd time around it was about the money .he did send Aliss out of nxt

@jontyross1285

3 жыл бұрын

No that's correct he did

@fergalstackstreams

3 жыл бұрын

Hero probably just wanted a paycheck.

@angadgianirogers1844

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad he left NXT in 2013 cuz he did have some amazing matches after that in the indies

WWE did pretty much everything they could to avoid Kaval getting over. During his NXT run everybody kept on reminding the audience that he is "tiny" and "little". Even his mentors Lei Cool kept on mocking him for that. After he won the competition instead of the guys WWE wanted to win, they almost immediatly put him in a losing streak while they kept on telling us in the comment that actual WWE is likely a bit too big for him. Basically he never had a chance to be successfull in WWE cause they just didn't allow it to happen.

@SaudiGod

3 жыл бұрын

He’s a little man who takes himself too seriously

@M.Sleeze

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaudiGod Doesnt mean hes not good

@HM4Hill

3 жыл бұрын

Let's be real Low Ki would have shafted himself in WWE eventually anyway. He likely would have thrived in current NXT though

@joshhale9355

3 жыл бұрын

Low Ki in WWE was never going to work. Dude’s an amazing worker, anyone who’s familiar with him knows that, but he’s a heat magnet everywhere he goes. The locker room was going to do away with him pretty quickly.

@thelinedrive

3 жыл бұрын

I think that was the point. I mean, with exception of Wade Barrett every winner of the NXT reality show was someone they were talking down throughout with Kaval, Kaitlyn, and Johnny Curtis.

now do the opposite one, 10 WWE Superstars that flopped in Indies

@carsonwroten6867

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a thing? Guys like Enzo maybe? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm here for it

@LeviathanRX

3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting for Ryback to debut in *looks at poll results* Retire

@Grizzexploder

3 жыл бұрын

There's those like Adam Rose & Simon Gotch to be scoffed at

@DerpityDerpz1

3 жыл бұрын

Damien Sandow immediately comes to mind

@Neufutur

3 жыл бұрын

@@DerpityDerpz1 Sandow was good in NWA Powerrr

Well like Cornette has said over and over Austin Aries always finds away to dumb himself out of the wrestling business

@scottbreon9448

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I don't agree with everything Cornette says, but Aries while always being a top-notch worker, he's also always been a top-notch asshole

@GordonSlamsay

2 жыл бұрын

I... agree. huh?

Paul London seems like he was trying to get himself fired at some point

I wouldn’t exactly call Paul London a WWE flop between his multiple cruiserweight title reigns and one of the longest tag title reigns in company history with London and Kendrick.

I have a friend that did backyard wrestling back in the day that used to name drop wrestling Reckless Youth. I guess I owe him an apology for not giving him proper due.

By the time Aries went to WWE he had already started having a reputation as not being willing to actually work anything that didn't purely benefit him in his eyes. Perfect support for that being a pretty spot on case of what derailed him in WWE is that he hasn't been signed long-term to any major promotion after being stuck with a reputation for "going into business for himself" whenever he wanted. Similar fates for Low Ki, Teddy Hart, Sabu, Sexy Star, and a few others.

Loved Paul London growing up. If only he joined 5 years later :/ Brian Kendrick also I loved. Those two are the most underrated tag team in wrestling history. Their title reign on smackdown was awesome.

@slavojdyrdek

3 жыл бұрын

Still smh at their treatment.

@aaronm8143

3 жыл бұрын

Mikey Dangerously same :/

@user-ns7tv2li1u

3 жыл бұрын

Career ending injury and cruiserweight moves banned screwed Paul London in WWE..

@Manesson

2 жыл бұрын

Same her mate, same here.

Les not forget, Eddie Edwards is a 2x TNA IMPACT Champion on top of his success as a Tag Team champion w/ Davey Richards

@tankisozuma4357

3 жыл бұрын

and one of the best indy performers

@malcocanedo9061

3 жыл бұрын

Also, only foreigner to win NOAH's GHC Title

@tankisozuma4357

3 жыл бұрын

@@malcocanedo9061 yes

@thebigwiggle

3 жыл бұрын

Who?!

@MJ_Weaver

3 жыл бұрын

Indie Edwards

Lol I like how there were no official pics of Reckless Youth in WWE lol.

@joefeeney5497

3 жыл бұрын

There probably was, just not publicly available.

@fightfan8266

3 жыл бұрын

Maaan he was a biiiig Indy name late 90s.

@BOCIMPORTS

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda sad, he was really good in ring too

I remembered being pumped to see Low Ki on WWE TV, knowing his work in “TNA” it’s sad to know that he some how failed. In a few years this list can be a re-do and Ricochet will be on it, which will be sad as well.

@LeadingIsAHardSkill

3 жыл бұрын

The sad thing is every major player in WWE... except Vince... seems to want to put over Ricochet. Everyone gets how amazing at wrestling he is... except Vince. It sucks

@LeadingIsAHardSkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v From my understanding FOX wants him on Smackdown but WWE refuses to move him. It sucks.

@LeadingIsAHardSkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v idk... I can only speculate. This is only a guess, but I feel like this is Vince thinking like a test of will. Like Cesaro was underused for years and now he's a legit main eventer. It shouldn't take this long though. Knowing what I've seen out of Vince it's probably a size thing.

@nzuzovilakazi756

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeadingIsAHardSkill I mean let's be honest though, Ricochet is good but he's just not main event material, give him a chance but he'll just never be a main event player, maybe tag team champion, lower card Intercontinental Champion yes, World Champion, hell to the naw.

@LeadingIsAHardSkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@nzuzovilakazi756 you know how I can tell you don't watch any other product than wwe? He was a legit main eventer in PWG, NJPW, Dragon Gate, NXT and Lucha Underground, not to mention everyone in AEW (Jericho, Omega, Rhodes, the bucks, and Tony Khan) all stating he would be a top star... But because Vince doesn't know how to book him I guess he's not a main eventer. Cool. Thanks for the lesson bro. I guess every other major promotion on earth is wrong. Have you called them?

Kenta wasn't really a WWE flop. He's been injured most of his career in WWE just like Chelsea Green career

@BatFan1

3 жыл бұрын

thus being a flop. If in any other sport you sign a high priced free agent who then proceeds to keep getting injured and cant do what he is being paid for and then is released/let go, he is a flop.

@destroyerarmor2846

2 жыл бұрын

@@BatFan1 Yup capitalism, you are only as good as you are useful otherwise you get discarded. Communists will use you and discard you anyways 🙆

@juliehankinson4891

2 жыл бұрын

He's been more successful in his native country but, on the other hand, he has still been injury prone.

KENTA vs. Marafuji was the best match I ever saw live. And I've been to enough WrestleManias to count on 2 hands. His name is capitalized because Japanese people will use all caps when they use their first name (most people are identified by their last name).

@juliehankinson4891

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that. Thanks.

To this day I can’t fathom how Chris Hero wasn’t bigger than he was (pun aside) He was at like.. EVERY nxt house show, and this guy would have big man matches with a crazy level of athleticism.

@paulcarpenter7844

3 жыл бұрын

He put work in

@thememeconnoisseur4088

3 жыл бұрын

because he has possibly 1 of the worst and least marketable looks around tbh.

@SamuelJ888

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly he needed to lose weight. Either you're a huge guy or a fit guy - it's hard to play between

@jakefrazer4780

3 жыл бұрын

I'll tell you why he wasn't bigger because NXT is a TV show and Kassius Ohno not whoever is CHris Hero is a character on a TV show who serve the role the writers of that TV show had for him. DO you watch Seinfeld and say oh gee why isn't Uncle Leo a star, why isn't he up there as the lead like Jerry. Answer because it's a TV show and Ohno played the part of a minor character not a lead role. WHy do you people keep forgetting wrestling is a TV show not a sport or anything else. It's a TV show plain and simple.

@paulcarpenter7844

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakefrazer4780 you proved some points but I'm going to have to give you a thumbs down on that one I don't relate Seinfeld to wrestling

WWE dropped the ball on Chris Hero.

@billyedgar5292

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, can you imagine how much worse of a fit he would have been in the Shield compared to Reigns

@superrobz

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyedgar5292 who said he needed to be part of The Shield? We could have easily had a Kings Of Wrestling run if Vince McMahon didn’t constantly shit on the tag division

@jamespimentel6999

3 жыл бұрын

Keep blaming WWE, why dont you blame the wrestlers themselves? New Day was booked badly and was given a stupid gimmick and yet they overcame it and got over themselves.

@mjstory1976

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine blaming WWE for not pushing a guy close to 40 with a beer belly

@SuperSaiyanBroku

3 жыл бұрын

@@superrobz The Bar Happened

Fun Fact: CM Punk asked for Chris Hero to be the 3rd member of the shield, he was vetoed & given Reigns instead

@xxtravdamanxx

3 жыл бұрын

EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THAT AND DOESN'T CARE!!!!

@mjl11

3 жыл бұрын

WWE would've been so different

@connorblazerod9678

2 жыл бұрын

Thank god they went with Reigns

@ballsinthechat

2 жыл бұрын

@@xxtravdamanxx your parents must hate u

@XionAzura1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad that got vetoed.

Kassius ohno deserved much better

@superrobz

3 жыл бұрын

If it was up to me I’d have put him & Cesaro back together and put them as the centrepiece of the tag division

@mjstory1976

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he should of tried harder to lose that big beer belly

@iantheweird1384

3 жыл бұрын

@@mjstory1976 he can’t really thyroid issues

@zakrowe1301

3 жыл бұрын

@@mjstory1976 he shouldn’t need to, his work speaks for its self. I watch wrestling for the storys and the action not to salivate over some next mans abs

@waxoftriple9

3 жыл бұрын

@@zakrowe1301 That's you. YOU watch for the stories, the action, well when you're turning on WWE you pretty much know what you're going to get. Just because Dusty Rhodes was a top draw 50 years ago doesn't mean he was the norm.

If Paul London wrestled now, he could be a big deal in NXT. London was about 5-6 years ahead of his time.

@strawberrystarburstbuthuman

3 жыл бұрын

same with jack evans but evans still wrestles

I wouldn't consider Hero a flop. His NXT career as a gatekeeper to put over new talent was great, always had amazing matches.

@gsandison1

3 жыл бұрын

He was perfect for that role, they didn’t need to build him as he was Chris Hero, they could just keep putting guys over by having them beat Ohno. It’s a role NXT os really missing now, with Garagano, Ciampa, Cole and even Balor as long term main eventers on the brand, they don’t have a midcard gatekeeper to establish new stars anymore. Breezeango do the tole pretty well in the tag team division though.

@oibruvinnit9029

3 жыл бұрын

True but choosing him to be that person is a crime.

@av6605

3 жыл бұрын

@@oibruvinnit9029 EXACTLY

@kidvillain188

3 жыл бұрын

I see what you're saying but this is Chris Hero we're talking about. They could've done something with him besides being a gatekeeper

@andrewward3184

3 жыл бұрын

He jobbed to Riddle in seconds. Won nothing. No titles. No note worthy victories. Nothing. Flop.

Christopher Daniels really has been everywhere. I met him - and AJ Styles! - at Anime North in Toronto one year. Yes, wrestlers booked to make an appearance at an anime convention. No, I don't know why either.

Apparently Chris Hero was more than happy with putting over up and comers

I remember giving up on Solomon Crowe the second I realized he was seriously trying to get a Second Rope Diving Headbutt (From the center ropes, not even off the turnbuckle) as a finisher. At the time, I thought Mojo's terrible application of the Earthquake was bad, but that was the worst finisher I think I'd ever seen.

@emigrant1510

2 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who remembered this. Lol, yeah. That was ass.

I think this list needs to be totally redone for 2022.

Damn... Being called The King of the Indy's, being signed by WWE, then creating a whole new promotion, and finally, becoming an accountant. What a journey

WWE isn't a fit for everyone. Not a knock on the wrestler or the company, sometimes the fit just isn't right. Honestly, I'm stunned that Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose lasted as long as he did in the company cause he really didn't fit at all, but he and the company made it work until it didn't.

@davidsavage3120

3 жыл бұрын

Yea some people aren’t made for different companies, like CM Punk would not of worked well in Japan because of their style.

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

He was able to make it work in a suitable For the WWE Universe way. Lio Rush while he was great on the Mic as a heel, he didn't fit there. He learned some stuff (as opposed to doing the silliness he did on the indies pre-WWE like No Selling big moves) & is applying it in MLW

@zakrowe1301

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidsavage3120 I dont think punk would work out in japan. They’re probably too stiff for him

@davidsavage3120

3 жыл бұрын

@@zakrowe1301 true. That’s what I meant lol edited my comment thank you.

Kenta was paper thin. Dude kept getting injured by sneezing. Cant blame WWE for that. They tried so hard to put him over only for him to fall apart.

KENTA should absolutely not be on this list. NOAH was the biggest promotion in Japan until Misawa died, hardly an "indie."

In an alternative universe, Chris Hero was in the Shield and became a big star in WWE. As for Roman Reigns, he was his own star and debuted in 2015 and gradually got pushed

@outlawrip-offartist4161

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly Roman was the better choice for The Shield.

@SuperSaiyanBroku

3 жыл бұрын

Roman fit the shield perfectly

@outlawrip-offartist4161

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v you do realise the booking was the thing that made Roman bad right, because from a in ring standpoint Roman actually really good.

@outlawrip-offartist4161

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v Roman until recently yes wasn’t a great promo but I think that was more to do with the way WWE does promos, but from an interim standpoint Roman was having great matches in the first year after the shield broke up, and if I’m being honest since Covid hit Roman might be the best wrestling in the world right now which leads to my question why didn’t WWE make him a bad guy.

@outlawrip-offartist4161

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v He actually reminds me of Austin and The Rock.

10 indie sensations that WWE had no idea how to use, but were so greedy that they just snatched them up anyway.

@catisreckless4647

3 жыл бұрын

Much better and more accurate title.

@jamgooandyou

3 жыл бұрын

Or the mainstream fans just didn't get said "indie" wrestlers that was only liked because wrestling fans had binged watch 240p handy cam KZread clips

@Snipopotamus

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamgooandyou Yeahhh the only reason they were popular was because of their compilations on youtube. Not the fact they put lots of hard work and dedication into their craft to the point where WWE even started to notice them.

@jay38426

3 жыл бұрын

Being an indy sensation doesn't equal a star in WWE. Indy wrestlers don't have character, which means no good storylines put into their character. Relying too much on in-ring work limits you from being reliable on certain needs when it comes to booking something special.

@iantheweird1384

3 жыл бұрын

@@jay38426 don’t have character? Colt Cabana made a career out of it Christopher Daniels was an amazing character as the fallen angel Low Ki was a prick Kenta was a prick who was a brick shithouse who would knock your block off eddie edwards was a good character in TNA chris hero was the wrestling genius and was awesome

Reckless Youth is an accountant now? Could you imagine an angle where Mike “IRS” Rotunda persuades him to come out of retirement to join his new wrestling finance stable with CPA, D-Lo Brown, and Spike Dudley? Or more realistically, I’d love to see all five of them as on air stooges to a new “Million Dollar Man” type gimmick (not the original or his son, need someone in his prime), where the heel is so rich that he’s hired an entire stable of wrestling accountants and financiers to manage his millions, distract refs, deliver sneaky chair shots, bribe authority figures to change match stipulations, and do backstage comedy bits with the divas.

You don't have to work for WWE to be a successful pro wrestler. Brands like AEW and IMPACT are proving that

@AestheticDelta

Жыл бұрын

Not at all but working in the WWE means you can move an audience by your overall presentation and mic skills. In other platforms you just have to wrestle without ticking off the other boxes

I remember Kaval had a match against Ziggler at Survivor Series, and Ziggler was bumping like crazy for Kaval's offense, and the crowd just was not reacting at all. He sucked so bad

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

and Kaval Broke Dolph's nose during the match

I was at the NXT House Show in Fresno when Aries broke his orbital. That kick from Nakamura was brutal.

I am friends with Reckless Youth AKA Tom Carter on Facebook and he did ask for his own Release

You should do a video on underrated indie stars. Number one Matt Cross. Bunch of indie work, never got a proper push or a decent gimmick to do much with. Matt Cross is one of the most underrated wrestlers in the last 15-20 years.

I thought for sure Ethan Carter 3rd would be in the top 5. I thought he would have been a top star in WWE with his in ring abilities and mic skills

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

Ethan Carter always sucked

I actually trained at a Philadelphia gym that Reckless Youth frequented. Nice guy, very humble, and always told hilarious stories!

I remember Reckless Youth's name making the rounds on wrestling message boards back in the day. I had no idea he was ever signed to WWF.

Woah, hold on. I take umbrage with y'all trying to call KENTA an "indy sensation." The dude was a major part of Noah when the promotion was at its peak -- that is to say, in the mid-2000s when it was by far the biggest wrestling promotion in the world outside WWE.

Not heard the name Reckless Youth for a long time!

@casualsuspect9878

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, it was nice to get his name back in my mind.

I was trading tapes back in the day and Reckless Youth popped up quite often ! I loved his Super 8 work along with his ROH suff as Tom Carter

Wwe is known for destroying indi talent with huge names outside of wwe, let's not forget finn balor, nakamura, ricochet the list goes on

@jayanthony2414

2 жыл бұрын

How the fuck have they destroyed Balor and Ricochet you people just say anything especially Balor the dude had the title put on him immediately and went over Roman Reigns make it make sense

@Taco187

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayanthony2414 geee I don’t know ricochet has way more skill than Roman and ummm yeah balor went from being a top guy to a mid card title chaser wwe is fucking horrible

@jayanthony2414

2 жыл бұрын

@@Taco187 🤦🏽 wtf was you thinking ffs you aren't even about to try and imply that Ricochet is better than Roman because he can do some flips have you lost your mind and Balor is were he is because thats his level honestly what is it that you people don't get

I still dont 'get' Colt Cobana - it just seems silly to me

@liluzivert6061

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@chintoki

3 жыл бұрын

There's nothing to get. He's garbage.

@strawberrystarburstbuthuman

3 жыл бұрын

@@chintoki i think he's great

London is 100% not a flop.

@jamesmason7979

3 жыл бұрын

True. He was never one of the company's biggest stars, but he won the Tag Team and Cruiserweight Championships, and he appeared on TV regularly.

i disagree from a lot of these names , hero had some hard hitting great matches in nxt, kenta had some pretty memorable matches in 205/nxt as well if he didn't get hurt he would have gotten a bigger push. funny sami is using the crowe gimmick in impact in 2021, but he was acctually in line for a big push before he was released as he was actually supposed to be the leader of sanity.

Chris Hero's biggest problem was always being so out of shape. He had a horrific physique during his second run in NXT

@angelking3708

3 жыл бұрын

He moves better than most of the people on the roster. He isn't "out of shape" he's just big.

@cakemaverick6438

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelking3708 Yeah, he wasn't out of shape. Not to mention he has a thyroid problem that makes it harder to lose weight

@hammyjammies

3 жыл бұрын

It didn't seem to affect the likes of Kevin Owens too much

@PrinceJoshTheGreat

3 жыл бұрын

@@hammyjammies Yeah and how many tickets is he selling? Casual fans probably change the channel as soon as they see him

@BobbyJr_

3 жыл бұрын

@@PrinceJoshTheGreat Bruh, Owens is one of the few indy guys who got over with the casuals as soon as he debuted on the main roster.

WWE would prefer to feature rappers, actors or models, throwing money at their charisma on the mic and ability to draw more eyeballs than all of this list combined.

@jbbrolic

3 жыл бұрын

It's a good move too. Wrestlers who pick up bad habits learning how to get cheap pops from Indy crowds are rarely going to have any mainstream potential.

@milothaloser1443

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and it works cause typically the crowd sides with those characters

@sammitchell3657

3 жыл бұрын

It's all about the look. Not the talent.

@gkjay07

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbbrolic bingo. would guaranteed spend my wwe money on bad bunny, who brings in non fans and had lots of people talking about wrestlemania, over some indy fucks who are only known by 20,000 people.

"AKA - how horrible WWE booking ruins careers"

@jayanthony2414

2 жыл бұрын

You people are relentless 🤦🏽

CHRIS HERO, wouldn’t have flopped had they not had a bias against his body type after his thyroid problems. The man can go with the best of them and hearing “chris is awesome” will forever bring a spring to my enthusiasm

@paulcarpenter7844

3 жыл бұрын

What type of thyroid problem did he have I had hypopathiroid gained weight and got kidney stones

@chrismcdonald6079

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulcarpenter7844 I never really read into the major details but he can’t keep weight off anymore and it really hasn’t negatively affected his work

I think if they're good book them as if, I dunno they're good. Watching as a kid I thought kaval was rubbish because he never won... Sometimes is that simple

@LuckyLog97

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Not everyone can be a top WWE star.... Anyone can be top indy star but it's not easy to be a top star in a global program ❤️

At this point I hope NONE of the indie guys I like go to wwe- they’ve messed up situations where they could’ve been handed a golden asset and they just shit the bed.

Great video these are my favorite kind of videos

I don’t like that is flopped in wwe better to say wwe failed them

"Indy sensation" and "flopped in the WWE" are synonymous. Indy fans are tight and dedicated. WWE fans are mainstream people and haters. Those are very different audiences. It's like comparing French art house fans to watchers of PG-13 Michael Bay movies.

@kennethmullenix

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly,I grew a WWF fan but also along with ECW,WCW and NWA(90s-2000s version) but WWE went completely corporate and forgot about hardcore wrestling fans, that's why I turned to other promotions like ROH,AAA,NJPW,BEYOND,and plenty local and other indies. WWE full of nothing but keyboard warriors and trolls nowadays that drool over nxt but talk smack about the other promotions...smh

@zakrowe1301

3 жыл бұрын

So true, casuals don’t have a higher appreciation for wrestling and therefore are only left to follow the hype of what wwe tells them to like

@Phoenixbrand95

3 жыл бұрын

Gatekeeping much?

I remember London smiling like an idiot and it made me laugh a lot during that "serious" scene

Lol no one ever called Paul London the next hbk. That's absurd.

The American Wolves would have been great in NXT. I've always liked their work. TNA's gain i suppose.

Reckless Youth asked for his release. He had a good paying accounting job before going down the developmental.

No one can flop in wwe. Its either your gonna get push or your not gonna get a push.

Wouldve loved to see Nigel McGuinness in NXT or NXT UK as a wrestler

A much better name for this list would be "Ten wrestlers that had pre-made fan interest, but WWE decided to pretend their 10+ years of wrestling didn't matter, since it didn't happen within a WWE ring."

@angelking3708

3 жыл бұрын

Muuuuuch better title.

@Phoenixbrand95

3 жыл бұрын

More like 10 wrestlers that had a Minor Hardcore fanbase and couldn't make a connection with the mainstream causal viewers.

Chris Hero was actually getting a push in NXT, but he had thyroid issues and WWE wanted him to train a specific way, and he didn’t want to. So he came back round.

Ricochet should be number one. He was ridiculously over in the indie scene and is basically a glorified jobber in wwe

I was so happy when the kings of wrestling were both under WWE contract. It sucks that heron never got the push.

You dont just wake up with a WWE contract and expect to get this big push. You actually have to have the in-ring skills, camera charisma and move the audience to back it up. Thats why I can see the likes of MJF flopping big time in the WWE. Samoa Joe comes to mind, not as a flop necessarily just a brawler and big body whose gimmick wears out quickly

How about a top ten wrestling books ? Mankind, a lion's tale etc

Paul London and Brian Kendrick were one of the highlights of 2006-2007 WWE. I wouldn't say he was a flop.

London was longest WWE tag team champion until New Day

@jjLeakee_

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v WWE Tag Team Championship, as in the titles that were on SmackDown during the first brand split

@ninjanick7369

3 жыл бұрын

No they had the World Tag Team Championship that has been retired for many years

all they had to do with Cabana is let him wrestle with the Matt Classic gimmick, and he could easily establish himself as a solid upper midcarder until he can find a gimmick that would keep him up at the top and not get murdered by WWE booking

If Mick Foley and Hacksaw Jim Duggan had a kid together, it would look like Kassius Ohno

And now they have cut most former Indy talent. This should be Top 10 Indy talent VKM didn’t know how to use.

I came here to say Paul London & Christopher Daniels. If you haven't seen Daniels MLW match vs Sonjay Dutt... Go now.

I wouldn't put Daniels or American Wolves on this list. Daniels was more a failure to launch. Wolves weren't signed and only worked a single match in NXT. This list should've included Deonna Purrazzo. She's an indy sensation, wrestled for ROH and had a stint in Stardom in Japan. After a good run in the Mae Young Classic they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with her and jobbed her out each time she was on NXT.

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

jobbed out on RAW To Nia week after week

Kinda surprised Mystico wasn’t on the list. He was one of the best Lucha libre stars ever

@juliancantero3519

3 жыл бұрын

he wasn't the Indy star but more a Mexican sensation.

@GrownUpKid94

3 жыл бұрын

Autocorrect gotcha

@YoungDolan

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrownUpKid94 damn

@juliancantero3519

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDeppFan2272 Yeah, you are right on that

@SandowMovesets

3 жыл бұрын

They didn’t bungle him...dude injured himself just walking out to the ring half the time.

Low Ki just never had the charisma for TV and he was kind of hard ass. Even ROH didn't want anything to do with him after a while.

Would love to see Okada on Raw or SD

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

I'm amazed Trips hasn't signed him especially with talk of creating NXT Japan brand which obviously is on pause because of the Pandemic

Reckless Youth was awesome. I saw him many times in ECWA.

The problem with the Indies is that the fan base is typically ones that wish to see a good match in the ring, and don't care about storylines. What you realize is that Indy fans are usually no more than a couple thousand deep at an Indy show, and usually a few hundred. So fans that don't care about storylines and just want good in ring action, are a minority of the overall pro wrestling fan base. No matter how huge someone is on the Indy circuit, they simply aren't HUGE. Then they go to WWE and most have zero charisma in a world where storylines put asses in seats, and creating a believable character to sell storylines is everything. And if they didn't draw 25,000 fans at any point on the Indy circuit, they need to have a special something to draw 25,000 fans to WWE events. Then at WM, on a normal year, they are looking for 70,000 asses in seats. That's why so many Indy performers flop in the big time. The Indy circuit is an entirely different beast, is in no way aligned with the big time in terms of what draws, and it's not a huge money maker on what it does draw.

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

and that's what internet marks don't get. WWE is whole different world than Indies. Plus not only you gotta be able to move the needle & sell Merch, you gotta be a size of what Vince or Trips likes, See Daniel Bryan, they were not gonna push him because he's small despite being over. Not to mention WWE is able to basically pull the puppet strings on the fans at a whim, like Elimination Chamber when it was Bryan & Santino in the end & the crowd was behind Santino who was a Comedy guy, or "Kofimania" where out of nowhere they push Kofi & put the SD Title on him then he gets squashed by brock & now he's back to being in a tag team on RAW & nobody is clamoring for him to challenge Lashley. Or when Bryan won the title at Mania & then had it stripped from him late that spring, He was out of the picture & nobody talked about him & then he came back the fans tried to get Bryan Back into the picture at the Rumble, WWE was like "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" had him lose to Roman & then fans just accepted that he would just be an IC Champ at Mania

@kennethmullenix

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with some of that but alot of it is also Vince stripping so much away because he is stuck in the 80s,you cant tell me someone like Reigns or the Miz deserve title runs over like Richochet,Stylez did the best,Balor is doing well but guys like Bobby Roode,definitely could and should be main event. I get why reigns and Charlotte are pushed solely cuz of their family names but it's so much talent that has been needlessly buried. But I totally understand your point,and agree that you gotta be able to put butts in seats on big stagee

Hero was always a bum

London and Kendrick are to this day one of my favorite tag teams since the turn of the 2000s

I seriously hated how WWE treated Low ki, they did him dirty

They used a picture of Christian Cage wearing a Colt headband to represent Colt Cabana lol

Christopher Daniel's is the best talent the WWE has never promoted

UGHH !!! LOW KI is one of my faves ! I dont care what anyone says ! His matches with AJ in early ROH and even TNA were gold !!! Not to mention his stuff in Japan ! LOVE this dude !

@jamesb1988

2 жыл бұрын

"Warrior."

KENTA in all capitals indicates to Japanese Fans that he is a HEEL.

4:09 - Nice shot of Federal Hill in Baltimore!

I wouldn't have had Christopher Daniels on this list. His stint was well before he became an Indy superstar and made a name for himself, and seemed to never look back after. Everyone else on the list was already a name on the indies before there WWE stint. Kazarian would've been a better choice since he already was established when he went to WWE.... but then again he also admitted he was far to immature and stubborn at the time he as signed.

Didnt Chris Hero have thyroid issues that caused his weight gain?

It’s kinda funny to say someone didn’t reach their full potential in a sport where they can’t control 1. Their name 2. Their personality 3. How often they compete lol

Kassius Ohno was the original NXT KO When Kevin Owens debut He left came back and jobbed to every debuting star For shame NXT

10 Indy Sensations Who Flopped In WWE aka 10 Indy Sensations Who Wasted Their Time In WWE

Im not sure "flopped" is an accurate label as Wwe has shown time and time again theyre creative team/vince have no idea what fans want and constantly misuse its talent. Look at nxt stars and how they were treated after they got called up. How do you fail with so much talent? Every tag team from nxt. The revival, american alpha, gargano and ciampa, authors of pain, viking raiders, sanity. Talents like aries, neville, samoa joe, nakamura, roode, finn balor, black, almas, ricochet, rusev, cesaro, sammy zayn, kenta and much more. Theres a reason alot of fans view nxt as the better brand in wwe.

@kennethmullenix

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect summation

She didn't do too bad, but Sarah Logan showed nothing of the lunacy that Crazy Mary Dobson was capable of

Everyone on this list is an amazing talent and Vince never gave them the opportunity to shine. This is why Ricochet is in the spot he is in b/c Vince got a wild hair across him and decided he did not believe in him. I think that today's talent get better opportunities elsewhere. If you want to be an actor go to WWE. If you want to be a wrestler then stay in the independent scene.

@NY32986

3 жыл бұрын

Even though Ricochet was better in NXT. Maybe they should send him back.

@jayanthony2414

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing 🤦🏽 wtf and if you want to be an actor or a wrestler wtf does that even mean wrestling is acting genius

KENTA chose that name and font because in Noah his home promotion one of the top stars there was Kenta Kobashi. Check him out, he was amazing. KENTA's real name is Kenta Kobayashi and picked the all caps spelling to avoid confusing the fans.

Kassius ohno best wwe moment was the first 10 seconds vs valentine dream

You know some directors, actors, writers, musicians and so fourth were indie darlings then signed onto one a Disney, Warner, Universal or likes to do nothing because they just were not ready or honestly not as good as that seemed to be compared to new collegues. For most part this list is full of potential but injury, attitude, stubbornness, big head or immaturity hindered them.