Maybe just say sailors next time. Britain "stealing America's seamen" doesn't flow so well

@derpimusmaximus8815

6 жыл бұрын

We know, America's seamen doesn't flow too well. Y'all need to hydrate.

@bigwoody4704

5 жыл бұрын

Simon 's a bit of a daisy and knew damn well what he was saying

@josuke6869

5 жыл бұрын

I was looking for a comment about this xD

@alfredfanshaw4786

5 жыл бұрын

Hello sailor

@cplmpcocptcl6306

5 жыл бұрын

PPCRO LMAO🤣😂🤣

We're taking a shot every time you say stealing seamen.... lol

@perrydowd9285

6 жыл бұрын

sky Maracle I'm guessing you're pretty drunk by now.

@davidkozlowski9550

5 жыл бұрын

Authentically laughing out loud

@leestark9513

4 жыл бұрын

sPhrasing!

I'm surprised Mr Gibson has never felt the urge to turn this war into an Historicaly ( in ) accurate film . Like he does so well .

@xzqzq

5 жыл бұрын

I had Mel in the limo in SF years ago. Was very nice. Schmoozed with my dispatcher, a big fan. Autographed a bunch of dollar bills.

@ElBairdo

4 жыл бұрын

He did the Patriot... close enough

@andrewkennedy-reagan3289

3 жыл бұрын

Gibson could make it better than the garage war films of the last few years.

You left out that the “Battle of New Orleans “ was fought after the “treaty of Gent !”

@cid6642

3 жыл бұрын

yes the British attack New Orleans after the treaty but no one knew of the treaty at the time

@nafelkiani3060

3 жыл бұрын

Still Britain won no argue won more battles

@jasonknight8572

3 жыл бұрын

He is mistaken about that flag plus he failed to mention that God's intervention with a hurricane while burning Washington

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@nafelkiani3060 Britian lost the last 3 battles big time and withdrew , gave up and lost. it's called winning a battle but in the end losing the war.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@logan3277 your a brainwashed Brit look at the facts Britian did not win more battles. They didn't win a single battle the entire last year of the war. The Indians were defeated too. The US occupied 4 forts in Quebec at the end of the war. The treaty gave the US everything it was asking for and the Brit got nothing they wanted. Brits failed to get Minesota, Maine, New orleans, control of the mississippi. No conscription no seizures no more arming the Indians. And gave up bogus claim to Florida and Alabama to boot. Sorry you can't retreat back to your own country and claim you won. I geuss you won the American revolution as well.

"Making American seamen a sticking point..." You know what you're doing. Ha.

Leaves out a lot, which is understandable given the "10 facts" format. Still, I'd like to clarify a few points. First, the British impressment issue is not quite so clear cut as stated. The British navy was not just impressing random Americans, they were specifically looking for deserters from the British navy. It is a simple fact that large numbers of British sailors deserted to American ships. While the British tactics to recover these deserters were rather high-handed, most of the men they took off American ships were in fact deserters. To be sure, some were cases of mistaken identity and in a few cases British officers seem to have only paid lip service to the deserter claim. Much is made of the burning of Washington. But in fact the Chesapeake campaign was aimed primarily at Baltimore. Baltimore was the location of several shipyards producing American privateering ships, and a base for their operations. These "Baltimore clippers" were responsible for capturing hundreds of British merchant vessels during the war. Fort McHenry, the target of the "Star Spangled Banner" bombardment, protected Baltimore from naval attack. The British failed to capture Fort McHenry or the Baltimore shipyards, and so failed to achieve their primary objective. Washington, by comparison, was a rather insignificant backwater surrounded by swamp. The burning of Washington was almost completely symbolic. The American government wasn't just "exhausted". The national government was facing imminent secession of the New England states. These states were largely controlled by shippers who were unable to carry on business due to the British blockade and US rules against trading with the British. Before the war started these shippers had been making large profits selling supplies to the British, who needed all manner of American goods to further their war with Napoleon. The New England states saw themselves as being the primary bearers of the hardships of the war, and quite seriously discussed seceding from the Union.

@jlrva3864

5 жыл бұрын

Agree with your assessment. Also left out the Battle of Bladensburg just east of DC. The British forces used the Cosgrove rockets which scared off the militia while the regular army soldiers mostly stood their ground. Although outnumbered by British regulars, they put up enough of a fight to allow Madison and Congress time to escape. Another point skipped was that after the White House was set on fire, a huge rain storm hit with full fury which included a tornado which scared the British into leaving sooner than they had planned.

@ChickSage

3 жыл бұрын

Mistaken identity my eye, Britain pressed 1,300 native born Americans, into service, from 1804-1810. All told, 15000 American sailors were pressed into service. Britain routinely and without authority, stopped and boarded American ships, often leaving said ships without enough hands to crew her. Furthermore, America never agreed to check with Britain before granting someone American citizenship, deserters included. Hell, the way they impressed, paid, and treated their sailors, one could hardly be blamed for deserting, it seems. I wouldn't say secession was imminent, in New England. I mean, opposition to the war was very strong, in the region, but so was support. No one sent more officially sanctioned privateers to sea than New England. Plus, they sent a lot of recruits for the regular army, only New York sent more. peace

@randomobserver8168

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChickSage Decent point about impressing born Americans, less so about not agreeing to check with Britain before granting deserters American citizenship. I don't see why America should have been so high handed as to take fleeing criminals under its protection and expect no reaction- the US sure doesn't take it kindly when countries shelter their deserters today. They don't seize ships, that I know of, but they do hassle countries diplomatically. Maybe if the numbers were so large and the US were a country at war for its life, it would be comparably aggressive.

@ChickSage

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomobserver8168 No reasonable man would expect anything less than for someone who was, against their will, pressed into servitude, to attempt to escape their captivity. You call them deserters, but today they would be called victims, and should have been considered as such, back in the 1700's. Criminals you say? I say "poppycock"! 🙂 Peace

@Anglo_Saxon1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChickSageEven now, men are draughted into the armed forces against their will when there's a war on.

As a Canadian it is fantastic to watch your piece. Canadian students have always been well-taught on this subject. I actually live in the region where many battles were fought and it's a big part of our heritage. Thanks Simon!

@annettemartin766

6 жыл бұрын

Nikki in Niagara Yes we have been taught well. I too live in the area. Really rich in history and Canada was at that time was divided into 2 colonies, Upper and Lower Canada. One English, the latter French. Sigh I could go on correcting but I digress 😜

@acanadianeh8344

6 жыл бұрын

Ayee aha im from Hamilton, near where the battle of Stoney Creek took place. I remember asking American friends who I've met online about the war of 1812 & they either had no clue or asked if i was talking about tue napolean war lol. Much love to the American's tho, they did put up a great fight against a global super power at the time. If these events were to take place today, the results would be a lot different lol..

@RazorSkinned86

6 жыл бұрын

You mean "canadians have been brainwashed with liberal propaganda". Open your eyes, stop believing the MSM and liberal history books. Watch some Fox News or check Facebook. Learn the truth!

@roosteroneyed

5 жыл бұрын

The Canadians did well in the war and should be proud and that’s from an American who gets a little crazy when revisionists start attacking the US in the War of 1812 , lol.

@rjjacob101

5 жыл бұрын

You crazy Canucks burnteded our white house!!! Lol jk, I know Canada technically wasn't even an independent nation until 1867. I can see why this war was glazed over in my high school curriculum.

Instantly paused just to see how many “seaman” comments there are. I’m not disappointed.

Britain desired and would have been able to reconquer her former American colonies after a brief rest and reorganization. Empires always strike back to regain former lost territories. What saved the USA were the Napoleonic wars which kept Britain and the rest of Europe occupied for almost two decades. War of 1812 was a small sideshow for a very exhausted Britain.

Thankfully for America, Britain's involvement in wars in Europe and India meant the Americans never really had to face up to the full extent of the british forces , neither in 1776 or 1812 . History may well have been very different.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

Are you British?

@TheIceman567

Жыл бұрын

@@logan3277 not bc really in 1814 they had the chance with reinforcements and still couldn’t get it done.,

If ever there was a war that ended in a draw, it was the War of 1812

@tomlynch8114

3 жыл бұрын

yeoldebiggetee Status Quo Pro Bellum. British Invasion of the US fails. US invasion of British North America fails. British and US territories remain unchanged. It makes it clear that Britain isn’t going to take back the colonies, and the US isn’t going to take Canada. Spain who fought as an ally to Britain has to cede Florida to the US. But it’s actually advantageous to Britain as combined with the Napoleonic wars, Spain was severely weakened and never regained its power or status which had previously rivalled Britain. Britain became the world’s dominant superpower. Spain’s weakened position also aided the US in its expansion. Both a stalemate and a win-win for both Britain and the US.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

yeoldebiggetee but yet couldnt hold on to any of that territory. But Bowyer was a failure the british never reached mobile hence making it a failure and the USA got to keep west Florida. The USA achieved all of its war aims the British stopped supporting the natives got Britain to end orders in council (June 23rd) and never had another sailor impressed. And not the british never supported the natives again I have historian donald hickey to back that up.

So does anyone else notice how salty Simon can get on these "British/colony relations" episodes? Love it!

@christopherdamico4182

5 жыл бұрын

Did you ever noticed how uppity the Canadians get about it as well? It is cute when they act like they are a real country.

@packnanimous

5 жыл бұрын

Christopher D'Amico Yep. The arrogant Brit is still butt hurt over 200 years later.

@ascoop22

5 жыл бұрын

@@packnanimous Butt hurt over what? His country winning the war against the US 200 years ago?

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

@@christopherdamico4182 Some people think that Americans and Canadians are basically the same. No real difference. While we have many similarities to Americans, there is one massive fundamental difference: No Canadian thinks that their country is the only country that "really matters". American is completely swamped in propaganda and misinformation about their own country, and are strongly encouraged towards the view that everything in the entire world revolves around their country. They tend towards myopia to the point where no other country really exists, other than for the purpose of highlighting America. While obviously not all Americans fall victim to this completely, and some are fully aware of the greater world, most Americans tend to have a hard time seeing outside their borders. This can also be seen how when Americans compare different policies, they'll only compare to other states rather than comparing to the larger world. It's sad, really.

@normalcanadian5862

4 жыл бұрын

ascoop22 What do mean by winning against the US? The world is brainwashed...

The union Jack is flown only on naval ships otherwise it is called the Union Flag.

@mikestack378

5 жыл бұрын

Or butchers apron

With the invasion of Canada many U.S. troops refused to go into Canada feeling they were defending their country and not to fight else where. When the British occupied Washington D.C. there was a severe storm where historians say there was a tornado which caused more havoc on the British troops and took lives then any defenders did.

@jimbrewer7328

6 жыл бұрын

Terry Grossmann : I heard that story too, I think it wa. m The Weather Channel, I also think that this storm effectively extinguished the fire that the British set to burn down the white house in addition to routing the British forces.

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

The British defeated the inept militia but were unable to actually hold on to Washington D.C. because they didn't have the strength to do so. Why not blame the weather? Were the Russians involved too? NYC was burned after its capture in the American Revolution but the British stayed for another seven years. The truth is America was stronger and Britain wasn't able to stay beyond the raid.

@westsonrises

5 жыл бұрын

Jim Brewer it was God's righteous fury in defense of Murica 😇

@saldeluca4598

5 жыл бұрын

@@westsonrises no it helped the British destroy Washington

@thefantasyreview8709

2 жыл бұрын

@@roosteroneyed The purpose of the attack on Washington was to burn it in retaliation for the attach on York, not to occupy it and keep it. Which is exactly what they did.

One of the more interesting episodes of the War of 1812 is that of Dartmoor Prison and the Americans held there. What makes it so interesting (other than it being one of the first prisons built to hold prisoners-of-war (initially constructed to hold French soldiers)), is that most of the Americans imprisoned there were privateers and not actually soldiers or sailors. I wrote my master's thesis on this prison (and it's still there today, now as a penal institution), and if I am ever able to visit the UK, one of my must-see places is the museum located near to the prison (plus, there is a question I have for the staff there).

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Justin Jones Interesting

@Simonsvids

5 жыл бұрын

Don't stop there! Whats the question?

@2msvalkyrie529

2 жыл бұрын

Just read : Hound of the Baskervilles instead. !!

One significance of the War on 1812 is that it ended any possibility of reversing the revolution. Between the end of the Revolution and the Treaty of Ghent there was a movement to rejoin the British Empire. A second war with Britain ended that idea and solidified American independence. The other is it helped in creating Canadian nationalist patriotism as a very separate people from their American neighbors.

@JB-yb4wn

6 жыл бұрын

No, it ended any possibility of the US trying to annex Canada, This was the second time we booted you guys out of our country, man you're slow on the uptake.

@Idahoguy10157

6 жыл бұрын

John Bezz invading a neighbor tends to solidify the invaded neighbor’s sense of self. Both interpretations are equally valid. Go Canada!

@westsonrises

5 жыл бұрын

Really the winners were in North America. 1812 gave Canada and U.S. a sense of national identity (crucial to the concept of Canadian home rule) and showed the fallacy of a tiny island controlling vast distant territories. Fast forward 100 years WW1 solidified that trend while providing a similar experience for the ANZACS that the Canadians had in 1812. Meanwhile British populace still thinks they are relevant and spin history to fit their needs. They should do top 10 British Imperial defeats. There are so many that it amuses me to no end. Hint start just north of India.

@kieranwilliams5148

5 жыл бұрын

MacGuffin How about top 10 American defeats. Plenty of them too. At least Britain didn't lose a war against a bunch of rice farmers in black pyjamas.

@kieranwilliams5148

5 жыл бұрын

Gary Daniel Notice I said RICE FARMERS in black pyjamas. The NVA didn't fight in black pyjamas did they, they fought in green or khaki uniforms, the VC fought in pyjamas. Hoew can you seriously say America wasn't defeated militarily, your entire strategy in Vietnam was a disaster from day 1. It's possible to win every battle and kill more enemy troops and still lose a war. Look at Khe Sanh, Lang Vei and Hamburger hill as examples of why America lost. You attacked and defended locations only to abandon them, Hamburger hill was abandoned within days of the 101st reaching the top of the hill and the NVA not only escaped in large numbers even though they were virtually surrounded by the 101st, but they reoccupied the hilltop after the 101st left. Khe Sanh was abandoned after the siege and Lang Vei was a special forces base that got completely over run. America didn't win every battle in Vietnam, Lang Vei was a major defeat, the troops that walked through the jungle after the first big battle in the la drang valley were basically beaten in an ambush. If it wasn't for one of the commanders in the battle ordering aircraft to drop napalm on his own position, then the entire column might have been wiped out. Basically an entire platoon was either killed or wounded and many American soldiers were killed by their own sides grenades and napalm in that battle.

I have heard that some of the impressed sailors were actually British to begin with, many being deserters pretending to be Americans.

@SigurdVolsunga

5 жыл бұрын

That was pretty much a large part of the problem, the Navy was entitled to stop US vessels at sea and press English sailors on them, many tried to claim US citizenship to avoid it.

@gatecrasher0380

5 жыл бұрын

Or maybe they actually was US citizens.

@ianmoseley9910

4 жыл бұрын

chris cardwell Rarely

@johnstrelley3917

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, if they were Americans who were being pressed they were pretty much British anyway. The war of independence was more or less a civil war, anyways.

@Cyberfender1

2 жыл бұрын

Or "defectors/asylum seekers. Being in HMN was no pleasure cruise and considered cruel service at the time.

#11 - The Battle of New Orleans was fought after the Treaty of Ghent was signed.

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

But the technology of the time could not relay the treaty.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

also senate didn't ratify treaty until after the battle

So... We went to war with Britain partially because they were stealing our seamen. 😂

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the 15,000 men and their families who were enslaved by the British that it didn't matter.

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Between 1783 and 1812 more than 15,000 Americans were impressed. That is the historical number given. Vlodec wrote that defending their citizens from enslavement was only a pretext. You wrote the British were "happy" to impress American seaman. You also wrote they didn't use "all" of them which I don't understand. They were still denied their freedom. To fight Napoleon was only one excuse, still inexcusable though the British thought this would give them the right to act with impunity. What Britain was actually doing was undermining American trade so as to monopolize as much trade as they were able to.

@ascoop22

5 жыл бұрын

Not really American seamen but British sailors that only said they were American to get out of the draft.

@ascoop22

5 жыл бұрын

@@roosteroneyed Did you know that during Vietnam any foreigner with a working Visa in the US could be picked up and sent into the army? I don't know the number that happened to but that is real enslavement by America, different than British sailors proclaiming themselves American to stay out of a war.

@SitInTheShayd

4 жыл бұрын

Technically they were OURS they just jumped ship and we were getting them back

Another great piece of researched history. Always love your take on things. More to the point I love you knack for filling in the gaps and 'righting' the misconceived 'wrongs' (meaning wrong thought) of history. As an American it is also equally refreshing for me to learn, or shall I say 'relearn' history from another countries perspective.

Objectively, by any measure, it is clear that the Americans lost the war of 1812. I was disappointed that citizen militias were not mentioned nor was the fact that private citizens took up arms to defend Canadian borders...all in historical records

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

Strangely enough, Top Ten Lists typically only have ten items in the list. I'm not quite sure why, but I suspect it's a grand conspiracy by the aliens or lizardmen.

@dmeads5663

4 жыл бұрын

The US did not lose the war of 1812, if anything it was a strategic victory since the British quit stealing American sailors, evacuated their forts around the Great Lakes, and stopped arming natives to undermine US expansion. The result of this war was a boost in American pride and the dissolving of the Native American resistance in the Midwest.

Was hoping for a mention of the America's New England states threat of secession and a remainder that the Battle of New Orleans occurred after the war ended.

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

Plus a week after New Orleans Britain took Mobile.

@ascoop22

5 жыл бұрын

@@zoranmilovanovic5457 Fort Bowyer at mobile

@ianmoseley9910

4 жыл бұрын

ascoop22 The point is that legend (and the song) has it that the British were completely routed and fled to the coast, but obviously they were not

It's so true, my educators back then brushed over "The war of 1812" I had to research it in encyclopedia books

Almost entirely ignores Canada in a video about America invading Canada but uses almost exclusively Canadian newspaper sources in the graphics.

@mememe853

5 жыл бұрын

lol

I sense some British sympathy from you - but, LOVING American History, this is brutal TRUTH. When I was a child in school, I wondered about how little info there was. I started looking and it seems most Americans have their pride up their butts. America was lucky Britain was getting tired of war with France. As you said, WE weren't prepared for war with anyone. Nice video, thanks =)

Things that sound different without context: “impressing their seamen” and “stealing their seamen”

Simon, as an American as vvell as a history buff I'd like to say that you presented a great video on the VVar of 1812 & it vvas far more unbiased than the majority of videos I've seen on this topic. Great Job . The only things I'd like to add are in the capture of VVashington DC that the majority of the city vvas burnt & the oldest building in DC is unburnt because it vvas the residence of the Commandant of the Marine Corps vvho vvas the ONLY defender of the capitol ( all other units evacuated ) & he & aprox 12-15 men held an entrenched position on the vvay into the city. The British commander asked him to surrender considering the odds vvhich vvere about 2500 to 1 or vvorse but the Marine Corps commandant instead fought to the last man. The British Commander vvas so impresed by his heroism that he made sure his house, belongings & property & family vvere spared any of the looting & destruction. Another point you accurately made vvas that the vvar of 1812 vvas just vievved as a smaller part of the vvider Napoleonic conflict . I agree vvith this but I & quite a fevv other historians believe that the Napoleonic vvars vvere so vast & spread across the globe & involved so many countries that the Napoleonic conflict should actually be considered a VVorld VVar as it does meet all the criterea that vvorld vvars entail , though the circumstances have existed before during conflicts so calling the Napoleonic conflict the 1st vvorld vvar vvouldn't be 100% accurate . Hovvever renaming the conflict @ this point vvouldnt be recieved so vvell as generations of people are comfortable vv/calling it Napoleonic & Napoleon VVAS responsible for the vvar to have started even if it vvas a vvorld vvide conflict. Lastly , the vvar of 1812 could easily have ended vv/Britian absorbing the colonies once again if not for India having risen in mutiny & then the french attacking there , vvhich is also the reason Britian vvas vvilling to loose the 13 colonies in the American revolution as India had a mutiny @ that time as vvell & britian understood it vvas far more lucretive to keep India than the American colonies so troops vvere sent to India instead & reinforcements did not get to yorktovvn on time. TY for some really great videos being continually done & I look forvvard to seeing more from you guys inthe future.

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

Strangely enough, Top Ten Lists typically only have ten items in the list. I'm not quite sure why, but I suspect it's a grand conspiracy by the aliens or lizardmen.

As an American I was never taught that Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture was an "American" song.i have no idea where that stereotype originated

So fascinating, i live close to where the Battle pf Stoney Creek took place. Much love to the American's, always been a tough bunch of ppl.

@hotep2510

5 жыл бұрын

Even when we invade you guys, you're still so nice. Love you Canadians!

@Ironcabbit

5 жыл бұрын

Now we’ve become a bunch of dumb, tame media ditto heads that allow the ultra wealthy one percent that keep us blaming the brown people while they pick our pocket.

@randomhiphop5055

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ironcabbit would like to know what u think about 2020 then lol. People just rolling over for their masters.

The fact is the reason for the US declaring war in the first place was completely valid. I can't imagine any country (certainly not Britain) allowing it's citizens to be abducted in that way. As for the invasion of "The Canadas", British North America was still British at the time and as the US was at war with Britain it was a legitimate, if over ambitions target.

@johnburns4017

5 жыл бұрын

British sailors would pass themselves off as Americans. The impressment crews would have none of it. The odd American was impressed by mistake.

@pauld677j9

4 жыл бұрын

Hammers and Nails yeah as a Brit always make me think the yanks are still practicing slavery but I gather that was okay...maybe Africa should have declared war on the US...yep two wrongs don’t make a right but American Hypocrisy is as big as their egos...😂😂😂😂

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

YPD DY then that means then Africa would have a lot of wars since Europeans were taking slaves too a lot longer than the USA was.

@hammersandnails1458

3 жыл бұрын

@@pauld677j9 Given Britain's history with respect to Africa (including slavery) you might not want to go with hypocrisy here. My point was that as a new nation, it was important for the US to defend it's sovereignty. The British assumed they could do as they pleased and if the US hadn't acted they would have been correct.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@johnburns4017 nice try this went on for years along with seizures of ships

I really enjoy your videos. I'm a big history buff and I'm always learning things for you I never heard of keep up the great work and help educate people on what they dont know..

@mememe853

5 жыл бұрын

yes we know more about seamen now, but did the brit's swallow??

Hey Simon! Always a treat to watch your vids! I'm American and you're right. Not only is this particular war not accurately taught in our schools but a lot of history has mysteriously changed due to our government instating Common Core education. Most Americans are too fixated on the Kardashian freak show and what Beyonce is wearing on Tuesdays to want to learn any real facts. Keep up the awesomeness and you're still my favorite hipster!

America wanted to invade Canada: failed Britain wanted to defend Canada: succeeded British/Canadian victory

@cxarhomell5867

5 жыл бұрын

true

@jlrva3864

5 жыл бұрын

You left out the part about the British counter attacks into New England, New York and NW Territories. They grabbed some land and US pushed them out. Agree though that attacking into Canada in the first place was rather stupid. Most likely some boneheaded politicians believed the Quebecoise would rise up and assist, but of course that didn't happen.

@B1GK1NG

5 жыл бұрын

HiddenAssassin32 what hilarious is now there are two provinces from want to join the US. Damn Liberals!!!

@briansheehan3430

5 жыл бұрын

British invaded New England: Failed British invaded New York: Failed British invaded Baltimore: Failed British invaded New Orleans: Failed hard.

@briansheehan3430

5 жыл бұрын

@yeoldebiggetee Which is why it was a draw.

Both Britain and the US didn't win. Britain didn't keep control of any us territory and Britain only ended impressment of american sailors after Napoleon was defeated. The only country you could say won the war of 1812 was Canada because they weren't annexed.

@pughtube

6 жыл бұрын

The US declared war on the British Empire, partly with the objective of annexing Britains colony of Canada. Therefore, it was a British victory

@annettemartin766

6 жыл бұрын

Augusto Pinochet Bravo someone that has been taught the history of 1812 as it was. As usual though, we are blamed for everything as well😜

@dezbiggs6363

6 жыл бұрын

Augusto Pinochet canada was apart of britian then so they did win

@tlc1985ohio

6 жыл бұрын

USA got ohio and all those states in the middle because if forced Britain to stop helping the Indians so us won

@benitomussolini7382

6 жыл бұрын

Travis Crouch Britain had never owned Ohio that was taken from the natives. Anyway that was after the war of 1812.

One thing he didn't mention is that the war was so unpopular with the New England merchant class that there was actually talk of secession.

The War of 1812 is important to America because it ended any chance of the former colonies returning into the British Empire. The war permanently sealed American independence.

@Simonsvids

5 жыл бұрын

You mean some states were unsure? Links please!

I honestly don't recall learning much about the War of 1812 in school. That probably explains why I look at it like it's Revolutionary War 2 for the US. Also, to play along with the stereotype the rest of the world has of those of us in the US for comedy and no actual serious point in debate or argument, you can argue the 1812 Overture has been retrospectively written for America. I don't recall any other symphonic masterpiece that has actual cannon fire in the original score. Muricans love us our guns! :P

@seed_drill7135

5 жыл бұрын

I guess For Those About To Rock isn't really a symphonic piece, per se. But it's got some cannons.

Didn't the British collect Royal Navy sailors who had 'jumped ship' and become US merchant sailors??

@Simonsvids

5 жыл бұрын

Yup! That was the reason. The crews were questioned and if thought British were taken away.

@paganphil100

5 жыл бұрын

Pat: Yes....and they also "pressed" many British civilians too, not just Americans.

@pcka12

3 жыл бұрын

@@paganphil100 ‘pressing’ was meant to be limited to those who made their living by the sea, however it is certain that in the desperate need to man the navy lines became blurred.

Facts + lucidity + eloquence = this guy's videos are always great.

As an American, I have never heard of Americans thinking the 1812 Overture was about the War of 1812.

I'm always amazed looking at the comments, how many idiots swear they know more than the mass of researchers that put these videos together

@xzqzq

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know that much about the War of 1812...been working backward from 20th century, currently on Civil War. Understand going to source documents advisable, and to be skeptical of post-1912 sources, when Carnegie Foundation, among others, started growing their own PC scholars...

Ain't no redcoat gonna be stealing my semen I tell ya

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

Ain't no damned Yankee gonna take Canada I tell ya.

@Simonsvids

5 жыл бұрын

Drop your pants honey when tied to the bed and we'll see!

The town I grew up in was the site of battles during the War of 1812. There’s still a standing star fort at the mouth of the river that’s maintained as a museum, with re-enactors. Interesting aside, that fort, still an active army post at the time, was the only place in the US to house Jewish refugees during World War 2. There was a second fort in the other side of the river, but it was a wood fort and was burned during a battle. It was never rebuilt.

What is it called if you break a wrench in a black hole? A star mangled spanner.

@ksisu1324

5 жыл бұрын

Nicely Done!!!!

The state of Maryland has 1812 on their license plates, and on Reddit recently I got downvotes into oblivion by saying the Americans didn't win that war lol..

Comments section is like a giant american salt mine.

@jpotter2086

5 жыл бұрын

No saltier salt than salt you never knew you had!

@unnaturalselection8330

5 жыл бұрын

Stop stealing our semens!!!

@danaphanous

5 жыл бұрын

I thought it was common knowledge the War of 1812 was an American embarrassment and disaster...it was pretty clear in my AP US history class. Man some kids don't pay attention lol.

@tntsummers926

5 жыл бұрын

@@danaphanous the Americans had achieved everything they wanted, less tariffs. Acknowledgment as a free country, and acknowledgement of the Louisiana purchase. They stopped giving men, guns, and training to America's enemies. And America defeated Britain in the sea, battle of new Orleans, and had crushed the natives.

@danaphanous

5 жыл бұрын

@@tntsummers926 I'm aware, but you seem to be conflating diplomatic gains with war victory. The US had very few decisive war victories except over the native americans, which they would have fought anyway without the war of 1812. It seems to me the entire war was unecessary, the US usually lost engagements, and all the gains could have been solved diplomatically. Hence I see it as a US failure of judgment. The British pretty much took towns and had victories wherever they landed. Baltimore and the battle of New Orleans may be notable exceptions. The British did have difficulty invading Baltimore due to Fort McHenry and defensive lines to the north and ended up bypassing it. We didn't decisively defeat the British fleet, but we did convince them to leave there, particularly since the commander knew the war was winding down and didnt' see the need to engage in a hard battle. New Orleans is a notable exception as well and also a decisive US land victory, however, it ironically happened after the war talks and signing of the treaty of peace, Jackson just hadn't heard about it yet, so it effectively had no bearing on the war. xD No shade at Jackson though, he did a great job there. ;) The fact of the matter is the US lost the war of 1812. The British looted and burned towns pretty much with impunity, knowing there was no way to conquer territory permanently, but wanting to embarrass the US and gain leverage for the war talks. This was the real important part of 1812 war: the war talks. And it is the compromises hammered out in that talk that settled the disputes US and Britain had. They agreed to abandon forts in US territory, stop arming native americans, and we agreed to never threaten their colony of Canada again and not colonize north of a certain latitude, ending border dispute. Which is a nice compromise since the main reason they held those forts and armed the native americans was to act as a buffer so their canadian colonies weren't threatened. You see what I mean? All this could have been done without a damn war that was an overall embarassment. xD

All I knew about this the War of 1812 was the song by - Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie. Very intresting.

There’s little or nothing here that is not readily known by many Americans.

#10 at the start strongly implies that Washington was taken near the beginning of the war (U.S. hadn't built its full army, etc.). Only later do you acknowledge that it was well after the Yanks had sacked York (but lost a lot of soldiers when a powder magazine blew up). Canadians ought to celebrate the burning of the White House on August 24, 1814!

@Makarosc

3 жыл бұрын

They can't we like each other now

Im sure you know ALL about what Americans teach in their history classes...

I live south of Buffalo NY, in the village of North Evans overlooking 18 mile creek. Recently I found a book that had one paragraph referring to the creek being deep enough during the period for raiding parties to boat up to almost Hamburg. I would love to learn more about these raids, because I have lived overlooking the creek for years (thinking it would be great to bring a boat to my back yard but the creek is barely ankle deep in quite a few spots now) never even thinking that the creek was navigable. If anyone can point me in the right direction for more information on these raids id greatly appreciate it. And Simon I recommend an episode on the building of the Niagara and her sister ships in Erie PA, how the British couldn't believe we would do that, especially in a harbor with a massive sandbar blocking the entrance, that they left to go resupply. When a scout was sent to check on the ships, in an cool naval engineering feat, they were outside the harbor. This was the leadup to the battle of Lake Erie

Thanks Simon, some interesting facts indeed.

Every video that this guy does, he goes after America...makes excuses or doesn’t talk about the bad the British have done in history.

@Jakegraham62

5 жыл бұрын

True

@freshdugi

5 жыл бұрын

He is British, what do you expect?

@datguy8006

4 жыл бұрын

Lol he said the war was an embarrassment to the U.S. both sides sat at the treaty table as equals despite the U.S. beginning and ending the war with a barely half decent army against a world power a nearly brand new nation with Britain at a treaty table as equals that would have been something to be proud of

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

yeoldebiggetee incorrect the embargo act of 1813 by Madison stopped that. The US economy actually grew during the war. Lol quit making things up. The war outcome came out great for the USA.

The Star-Spangled Banner was written by a Frenchman? Oh that is just TOO FUNNY for words.

You skipped right over a hurricane. The British just decided to move on from the district of Columbia? What fascinating facts.

I admit, I don't usually pay full attention to your videos and usually just listen whilst playing video games but I did pay attention for this one. The schools in the U.S. don't really cover the war of 1812 much, if at all. I'm going into my sophomore year in high school and it's only been mentioned on a few occasions and only covered for a couple days last year

The War of 1812 was embarrassing, that's why we don't talk about it, much like when you trip, fall, and look around to see who saw you fall and you never mention it again unless you have to.

@ravenmoore8432

6 жыл бұрын

You sure are a true gentleman, not bitching nor complaining but understanding even than America was young like a boy meanwhile our mainland ( I’m Canadian ) Britain had many many years of experience with large armies

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Embarrassing to who? You can use to denigrate the USA but you'd be wrong to not appreciate the men & women who helped defend American freedom against British aggression. The British also had military embarrassments throughout their history including the War of 1812 (Lake Champlain New Orleans) but they continued For one thing despite American distrust for a standing army because of the experience with the British that led to the revolution, more emphasis was placed on a professional army rather than trusting militia. Second the British learned their lesson and never acted so arrogant or with impunity toward the USA again, and third as the war progressed the Americans got better. They repelled three invasions led by British Napoleonic veterans. The British captured and burned Washington D.C. but were unable to hold it for longer than a day. And despite capturing the American capital, the British couldn't carry the war home to the U.S. The Americans weren't about to give up. This stubbornness was also reflected later with the British in WW II when Churchill said we will fight them on the beaches, streets, and so on. The British weren't embarrassed to accept American help when hard pressed in WW I and WW II.

@thanos3784

6 жыл бұрын

@@roosteroneyed spin the end results how you like, there is a reason the war of 1812 isn't a big part of history class and that is because it was a huge embarrassment when compared to basically every other American involved conflict. I'm not saying we as Americans should be ashamed but let's be honest, it wasn't our best showing and we'd rather take our lesson in quiet reflection. The war of 1812 was a learning experience, everyone and everything has them as they grow.

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Titan Of Titans I’m not putting a spin on it. I agree it was a learning experience but disagree it was an embarrassment. If anything it showed tenacity despite reversals. This tenacity allowed for victories like New Orleans and Lake Champlain. If Americans don’t know much about the War of 1812, it’s not due to an attempt to hide anything but a reflection of Americans poor attention to their history generally.

@ravenmoore8432

6 жыл бұрын

roosteroneyed I somewhat agree with you understand that it’s alway embarrassing to lose a war after being subjected to what the Americans had been subjected to because of the Napoleonic wars I say lose because you failed your objectives but at the same time it’s more then an honour to stand up for your nation even though it’s still a young nation with the lack of experience that Britain had

I had a teacher in high school that told me pretty much the same thing...so your facts are on point Simone! Great video...

If in the Niagara falls area of Ontario be sure the visit the many historical locations, two of which are Brock's Monument, and the Drummond Hill Cemetery on Lundy's Lane, where you can also see the graves of brave soldiers on both sides of the war, as well the grave of the famous Canadian Hero Laura Secord.

@TheIceman567

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed I’m from the US sides also visit the forts.

Perhaps the most important outcome of the War of 1812 was that a national identity was established, not that of the United States, but Canada. While those people living in what is today Canada were still British citizens in 1812 the war against the United States solidified their opinion that they were most definitely not Americans. Also as you alluded to in the video no further conflict occured between Britain and the United States over Canada after this war and in time treaties were signed that firmly established the border between the two all the way to the Pacific Ocean allowing the United States to concentrate their westward push against the Native American nations and Mexico.

@ksisu1324

5 жыл бұрын

Weeelllllll.....there was the '54-40 Or Bust' invasion attempt by certain factions of the U.S. up to 1846, as the U.S. wanted the entire west coast up to Alaska. This was the major drive for the rail expansion west by the US and Canada. There were also several skirmishes after the War of 1812 ended. The US kept goading the Fenians to make raids into Canada by telling the Fenians that Canada was easy pickings. Most of the raids were held off by the locals until the Canadian Malitias could come in and mop up and arrest the surviving Fenian Raiders. The Fenians were Irish-Americans and figured they could grab Canada and bargain with Britain for Irish independence.

I enjoy your videos, but who from the United States hurt you?

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

No K America is hurt because they didn't win. You lot hate the truth.

@davidhiggins797

5 жыл бұрын

@@zoranmilovanovic5457 I still see the stars and stripes. I would say that's a win

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidhiggins797 After the British took Mobile in Alabama. So how did you win? The last battle was won by the British in the US (check this out) The problem I have is that you Americans go on and on about the revolutionary war which the French won for you really and there is US reticence of the 1812 War which you indeed lost. And you never read the facts on it!

@iguanacat4020

5 жыл бұрын

@@zoranmilovanovic5457 the last battle in the war of 1812 was the battle of new orleans

@zoranmilovanovic5457

5 жыл бұрын

@@iguanacat4020 Nonsense! Why do people like you NEVER do research? The Battle of Mobile (which Britain won) was a week after New Orleans. Do research- don't guess and assume. That gives a grand total of 0. Are you American?

Really? Some people in the US are so dumb to think that the"1812" Overture is about the american-british war? It actually plays some compasses of la Marseilleise... and trolls it!

@patrickbutler4894

5 жыл бұрын

No Toshimaru san. The majority of us are not that stupid! Just because "Simon Says" doesn't make it true

@saidtoshimaru1832

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.

@kenlounders5399

5 жыл бұрын

Said Toshimaru although the 1812 overture was written for the brave Russians who defended their country from the French, not many Americans that know who and why Tchaikovsky wrote it think it was for their war of 1812. But the music seemed to fit. Cannons and bells are not part of the written music . I believe Americans added that . It went well . Much music has been passed around . Words and names are different .

The war of 1812 it’s known as the forgotten war in the USA, the war only lasted less than 3 years, and nothing was achieved by anyone. In contrast the Mexican American war was more significant, yet it only lasted 2 years.

This is the most detailed description of the War of 1812! The Americans knew that England was engaged with Napoleon in the 7 Years War and thought that Upper/Lower Canada were theirs for the taking. The Americans attacked, looted and Burned York (Toronto) including the Upper Canada Legislature Buildings. An American Army of 3,500 attacked across Niagara and the British retreated to Burlington Heights (Hamilton). The American Army advanced to Stoney Creek. At Night 750 British Regulars and Militia attacked the Americans at Stoney Creek Battlefield and captured the 2 American Generals. In disarray the American Army was chased back to Niagara. The American Army was also repulsed in Lower Canada (Quebec) as the Americans intended to attack Montreal. When the English defeated Napoleon then the British Navy attacked America at Washington. In retaliation for burning York the British burned the Presidential Palace which was then White-Washed and then was called the White House. The British Navy then bombarded Baltimore Fort Wayne and Francis Keys noted in the morning: "Oh Say Can you See by the Dawn's Early Light that our Flag was Still There..." Most Americans are NOT taught these Facts nor History?

TL;DR History is (as always) complicated.

The comment section shud be renamed American Salt

@crypticcorgi8280

5 жыл бұрын

Like the British when you remind them that they are no longer the world superpower. The US is. The British is just a shell of thier former selves.

@JLeoni96

5 жыл бұрын

@@crypticcorgi8280 And.....? I'm British, I wasn't there so no skin off my nose 🙂

@crypticcorgi8280

5 жыл бұрын

@@JLeoni96 Yea, I guess I honestly don't really care either all said and done. XD Thanks for reminding me to chill. Haha

@normalcanadian5862

4 жыл бұрын

No. Maybe bias and over patriotic Brits

While The Boston Pops did indeed play The 1812 Overture in 1984 they also played it in 1983, 1982, 1981, all the way to 1976. While that was not even the first time they played it was the time that the entire United States was able to watch them play it on national television as part of the Bicentennial Celebration. It was so wildly popular they have performed it as part of their free July 4th concert ever since complete with National Guard cannon fire.

Boy, for a British guy he a real bias for the U.S., how can you have a top 10 on the war of 1812 without mentioning Sir Issac Brock, Laura Secord, or even Charles de Salliberry , sheesh!!!🤯🇨🇦

@normalcanadian5862

5 жыл бұрын

Ian Hilmer You are correct about that. Anti-Americanism.

#7 Our high school history teacher/wrestling coach, spent two days, on how Dolly Madison kept the president's dinner warm, while the White House was on fire. This is how, I know she had no time for the painting (He was much more popular as a wrestling coach.)

@christelheadington1136

6 жыл бұрын

I really knew most of this. Living in Ohio, a lot more local lore. I've got an idea for a "What If". What if Napoleon, instead of invading Russia, invaded Quebec? Answer to click bait: Isn't obvious who won? We're speaking English, not English.

*we fired our guns and the british kept a coming, there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago, we fired once more, and they began to running, on down the Mississippi to the gulf of mexico*

@jimschwartz1502

5 жыл бұрын

Well, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles, and they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch them, right down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

@travishenty1113

5 жыл бұрын

@Vlodec probably the same reasons the Brits have a reputation for bad dental hygiene, the French have a reputation for constant surrendering, and the Spanish have a reputation for being lazy.

@travishenty1113

5 жыл бұрын

@Vlodec you asked why a people has a reputation I countered that it was the same reason three other people have a negative reputation, regardless of facts or your personal belief in or knowledge of that reputation. The reason why a people gets a reputation is because to many stuck up, self absorbed asshats make wild claims. To your final point America is the most powerful country and has since the Second World War. As to why Americans act boastful, in my estimation is because Europeans on social media have a fit everytime the United States is mentioned and are instantly set of by any assertion that the United States is superior in any way to any other country.

@dimitriosmakropoulos8641

5 жыл бұрын

The Battle of New Orleans was fought on Sunday, January 8, 1815, two weeks after the peace treaty was signed on December 24, 1814 in Ghent, Belgium. The battle had no effect upon the the articles of the treaty.

@travishenty1113

5 жыл бұрын

@@dimitriosmakropoulos8641 A trash win is still a win.

That was enlightening.

Truthfully, being an American myself, I've always learned that the War of 1812 was more or less considered a stalemate. One battle I'm surprised wasn't discussed was the humiliating defeat of the British at the Battle of New Orleans. This is likely why there may be some who believe that the war was a Victory for the Americans, since it was the last battle of the war and therefore, the assumption could be made that the Americans had the last word.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

US won the last 3 battles Pittsburg, Baltimore and new orleans. that fact not popular with the brits and Canadians

@sydhenderson6753

Жыл бұрын

@@JJ-qh5dn I've seen it described as the British and Americans drew and the Native Americans lost.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@sydhenderson6753 Reality is Brits withdrew which is losing. End result of the war : no more naval blockade, no more impressment, no more arming native Americans with guns (Tecumseh) to attack the US. The false narrative from Brits and Canada is : the war was started by the US not GB (so a 20 year old country with no standing military picked a fight with the worlds superpower) in an attempt to take Canada. This is just false and cannot be supported in any way.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@logan3277 The war was not over because the US congress did not ratify the treaty until a month after the battle of New Orleans.

@JJ-qh5dn

Жыл бұрын

@@logan3277 no on knew the treat had been negotiated at the time of the battle also congress had not ratified or signed it

I see that we're glossing over the fact that Great Britain refused to recognize the Louisiana Purchase and intended to keep New Orleans and swathing parts of the Mississippi River valley, essentially walling the US onto the eastern 1/3 of the continent, despite the verbiage of the Treaty of Ghent. That the British burned Buffalo in retaliation of the burning of York, not Washington. You forgot to mention the multiple naval victories the US Navy achieved against the British early in the conflict. Oh, and that the US militia soundly defeated some of the best British troops from the European theater just outside New Orleans. So much time in this video is spent on trying to convince the viewer that what the British were doing wasn't a real issue, and that they were the victims of US aggression. I suppose kidnapping citizens of sovereign nations wasn't a big deal to the British. How easily the British forget their own sins and delight in pointing out the sins of others.

@kingdaniel3519

5 жыл бұрын

@Harry L 88 is a Cowardly Cyber Rat It's absolutely true, even the British admitted as much. The burning of buildings in York started a tit-for-tat burning that culminated in the burning of Washington. Buffalo was burned in retaliation of the burning at York. *Cough Cough* Battle of Lake Erie *Cough Cough* Old Ironsides *Cough Cough* Commander Perry General Jackson used the terrain to his advantage against a much larger enemy force, just like ANY competent commander would. Never heard of General Pakenham and his forces who were veterans of the Peninsular War? The General and his army that were soundly defeated by farmers and pirates? Did you mean those Peninsular War veterans?

@crypticcorgi8280

5 жыл бұрын

@Harry L 88 is a Cowardly Cyber Rat That was as salty as when you remind them that they are no longer the world superpower, The US is. The British Empire was a failed and evil era in British history. Also the british is just a shell of thier former selves.

@crypticcorgi8280

5 жыл бұрын

@Nick Trybull yes-yes we all hate America and hate to give it credit when credit is due. But they still have one of the biggest military and the most biggest and versitile arsenal. That's without having many strong allies to add ontop. They ARE the world Superpower. Just google it and not go off of what you feel it is. The World Superpower is refering to thier military might. Which they have plenty of. Thier military budget is bigger than the next 3 countries contending combined. Thats a fact.

@homeboy2166

5 жыл бұрын

King Daniel there were no USA navy victories against the Royal Navy. The blockade held, the Canadians held onto all of their land, the British burnt DC to the ground, the Americans called for peace with the pissed of British and Canadians and the poor old native Americans saw their land finally swallowed up into the USA. It was a pointless war. No one really accomplished anything, other than the USA in claiming more Native American land.

@ayarzeev8237

5 жыл бұрын

I have not been able to find anything supporting your claim that Great Brittain refused to recognize the Louisiana Purchase. Also most of your examples of the US holding it's own against Brittain are flawed, though the battle of New Orleans is a decent example. One other thing, it's possible for both Buffalo and DC to be retaliation for York, it doesn't have to be just one. You can be technical and say that it was retaliation for port Dover but both fell after the US attacked York

Simon, yes that the British were war weary is one reason they ended the war. But you forget to mention all three invasions by the Napoleonic veterans failed. They were defeated at New Orleans, Plattsburgh, and Baltimore. There was a naval race on Lake Ontario that the Americans were able to match. An overemphasis on utilizing resources there hindered the British. If the British used some of these resources on Lake Champlain, they wouldn't have been defeated by a smaller American force. This also illustrates whatever American domestic resistance against the war was forgotten in the face of increased British aggression. Americans were mobilizing and getting better while Britain was tired and unsure of their ability to bring the war home to the Americans. You emphasis that America was going bankrupt due to the war yet fail to mention Britain's own financial difficulties at the same time, after twenty years of war. New Orleans did happen after the Treaty of Ghent but it still had ramifications for the Americans as the British had a long history of disregarding treaties and holding onto territory long after agreeing to give it up as in the forts in the Old Northwest that were still occupied after agreeing to withdraw after the Treaty of Paris in 1783. The British might've just held onto the strategic port if they were able to seize it. Also the British were only able to be victorious in the Napoleonic Wars only because Austria, Prussia, and Russia carried the war home to France. Britain simply didn't have the manpower or strength to do this. This lack of strength was also clear when the British were forced to retreat after their raid on Washington D.C. None of the above countries would've assist Britain in stifling free trade with the USA so Britain could monopolize all trade on the high seas. I can understand your British slant but number three is ludicrous. As bad as Americans are with their history, that’s the first time I heard anyone mention the 1812 Overture with the War of 1812. Did you run out of ideas and need filler?

@ianmoseley9910

4 жыл бұрын

roosteroneyed It was known at the time that the citizens of New Orleans were disaffected - the British overestimated the effect that would have on their resistance.

TopTenz: #10 BURNING OF WASHINGTON: The "British" soldiers, most born in then-future Canada (NOT ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, IRELAND, NOR WALES!), burned many official buildings, but NOT the Library of Congress. The "British" commanding officer (may have) said: "We don't make war on books." I'm a DC native.

Wow - I love classical music and I know of ABSOLUTELY NOBODY here in the United States that thinks Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture is about the War of 1812. I have a feeling you just made that up.

No mention of the Battle of Frenchtown and the River Raisin Massacre? I live in Monroe, Michigan, where it happened and I don't hear much about it outside of my town. It was the deadliest battle in the war

@fergusmallon1337

5 жыл бұрын

It was a very viscous little war on both sides

@areyoufeelingitnowmrkrabs8805

5 жыл бұрын

I live in monroe, Washington state

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

Strangely enough, Top Ten Lists typically only have ten items in the list. I'm not quite sure why, but I suspect it's a grand conspiracy by the aliens or lizardmen.

Navy soldiers are called sailors.

@pete3176

6 жыл бұрын

Marines

@seed_drill7135

5 жыл бұрын

The people being impressed would have been what we now call the merchant marines. A naval vessel would not have allowed the British to board.

It never even occurred to me that the War of 1812 and the 1812 Overture had anything to do with each other. Odd.

@Cyberfender1

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, Simon. Spot on about 1812 Overture. More of a Russian piece than😎 American( But I still love it)

I do not know where the presenter got the peculiar idea that "most Americans" believe that the 1812 Overture was written to commemorate the US-British War of 1812, or that the music is widely-popular in the US for that reason. For one thing, as an American, I am not aware that the 1812 Overture enjoys any greater level of popularity in the US than in it does in any other country. For another, in the US it is WELL KNOWN that the 1812 Overture was written to commemorate the French invasion of Russia. After all, both La Marseillaise and the Russian National Anthem provide important thematic elements to the music, whereas it includes absolutely no British or American thematic elements.

Technically, (what would later become ) Canada beat the US in a war

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

While it wasn't Canada who won the war (it was British North America), it was definitely Canadians (residents of Upper and Lower Canada).

@dmeads5663

4 жыл бұрын

No, it didn’t.

@normalcanadian5862

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the US didn’t lose

@dangermouse9055

3 жыл бұрын

yeoldebiggetee nah it didn’t.

@dangermouse9055

3 жыл бұрын

yeoldebiggetee nope.

"They did not get anything." What about an end to Brits impressing American sailors? That's nothing?

@King_George_VI

6 жыл бұрын

Jim Fortune That ended with the end of the Napoleonic Wars. War of 1812 didn’t really contribute to that

@JimFortune

6 жыл бұрын

KingGeorgeVI Had the war not been fought, I'm pretty sure the Brits would have continued the practice any time they were in need of sailors.

@pughtube

6 жыл бұрын

But we were no longer in need of sailors, and would not be for several decades, hence it has nothing to do with the War of 1812

@FrenchmanontheRooftop

6 жыл бұрын

Jim the British only impressed sailors out of necessity. And only stopped becouse the main war against Napoleon stopped. They did not achieve anything becouse the brits changing their behaviour had nothing to do with america's actions.

@JimFortune

6 жыл бұрын

"I only kidnapped your people because I thought it was necessary ." That could also be said by the Somali pirates who only hijacked ships and kidnapped sailors because they needed the money.

There is so much salt in the comments that I could de-ice my driveway all winter. Insert Gordon Ramsay photo here...

It is interesting that Simon is English but appears to slant his programmes in a bias to a U.S. audience by having his posted announcements use the U.S. spellings. An example is to be seen at 8:27 where the word theatre (U.K. English) is spelt theater. Incidentally, at 10:56, Simon talks about "the Song was actually written...". It was/is never a real song but a piece of music that was written for instruments and it contained no words. A song is a musical composition meant to be sung by the human voice. Only by using a very broad interpretation can the word "song" be applied to a piece written for instruments. The real name of the piece is The Year 1812 Solemn Overture. Unfortunately, and as stated, people in the States believe it is about the War of 1812 because it was played at a Boston Pops Festival, and it has been included every year since, and people in the States thought it applied to the War of 1812 without doing any research. 'nuf sed.

Simon, I noticed you didn't mention the Battle of New Orleans? Wasn't that one of the most lopsided victories in the history of war? If i remember correctly the Americans ended up holding many Brittish pows too. Ps, it is more common for Americans to call their Seamen Sailors. I know uou have an international audience but I am guessing you are writing for an American audience.

@jpp9876

6 жыл бұрын

In the Battle of New Orleans the Americans casualties were 7 dead, 6 wounded. The British had 700 dead 1400 wounded and 500, most of them pretending to be dead surrendered. What lead to the lopsided victory for the Americans were the Brittish were not able to synchronize their river based army with one from the land. They got their boats stuck in the mud. Their second problem was they forgot their ladders. They were needed to over take some berms Andrew Jackson had built for the Americans defense. One strategic victory the USA received from the war of 1812 was we finally got a little respect from England. As far as receiving reparations from England America always seem to be easy on our enemies compared to most countries in history.

@sabsab9126

6 жыл бұрын

As I said earlier the battle was 6 weeks after the treaty. The war was over. It was a great victory but late.

@razgriz821

6 жыл бұрын

Jon Larsen “forgotten facts” list.. every merican knows the battle for nawlins..

@JB-yb4wn

6 жыл бұрын

Well no, the war was over before the battle began, but if you are looking for lopsided victories, may I direct your attention to: Queenston Heights 1812 and Crysler's Field 1813.

@Rocketsong

6 жыл бұрын

14 Days, not 6 Weeks. The Treaty of Ghent was signed on Christmas Eve. The Battle was on 8 January.

Do they really not teach this anymore? Wow now I feel old...

@ssmith7074

5 жыл бұрын

It's still taught. I suspect Simon is mistaken because he didn't attend a U.S. school.

British to American's "Lie down while we steal your semen"........American reply "Ummmm, ok, that's not going to happen" *fight - fight - fight*

All you need to tell the Americans is that they didn't lose the war. You don't have to tell them they won, only that they didn't lose.

I am surprised the capture of Detroit didn't make the top ten.

@vaevictis6990

6 жыл бұрын

John Kilmartin I know eh? Michigan state belongs to Canada mawhahaha

@russellbonez2081

5 жыл бұрын

Muahaha only reason canada allowed to exist now is our nhl is gone.

The reason we don't talk about the War of 1812 is because the British were suppressing our semen

@benitomussolini7382

6 жыл бұрын

I know that's a joke but the main reason Britain doesn't talk about it much is that Napoleon defeat overshadowed the war. Also another reason it's not talked much about in both America and Britain is after the war territory gained in the war was put back to the pre war borders, The war cost both countries alot of money and lifes and neither side gained anything.

@GN77340

6 жыл бұрын

Varsity Shinebox it twas a joke ye not gets it

@GN77340

6 жыл бұрын

Varsity Shinebox poop and fart jokes of the same as semen jokes dummy

Whatever your take on Andrew Jackson, His defensive strategy at New Orleans was brilliant. The reason the British attacked when they did was the commanders of the British forces knew a treaty was about signed, and they wished to secure the city in order to have the logistics to cripple, or at least hinder American trade, and possibly gain control of the lower Mississippi River, should later conflicts with the U.S. render this necessary. Simon's video was accurate and considering that he is himself British, reasonably unbiased.

The War of 1812 is known as one of America's "Forgotten Wars" along with the Filipino-American War. I've actually found this conflict as very interesting. Simon is correct that American history books largely celebrate America's successes such as the Battle of Lake Erie ("Don't give up the ship!" is a very famous quote in the US Navy), the USS Constitution's victory over the HMS Guerriere and its legend as "Old Ironsides," the Battle of Fort McHenry and "The Star-Spangled Banner," and Andrew Jackson and Jean Lafitte at the Battle of New Orleans (made mostly famous by the Johnny Horton song "The Battle of New Orleans."). The burning of Washington and the invasion of Canada are mentioned, but maybe get just a paragraph and mention nothing about the humiliating campaigns led by incompetent leaders that could've severely changed today's world had the war gone another way.

Who won that war depends on who you ask. If you ask Canadians they say they won. In the United States Americans they felt they won.

@pughtube

6 жыл бұрын

How can Americans have won? They attempted to take Canada, and failed?

@grapeshot

6 жыл бұрын

Pugh Tube I agree with you. But the Americans based basically the whole war on the last battle of the war the Battle of New Orleans.

@grapeshot

6 жыл бұрын

Vlodec Yes it did. Something like two weeks after the war ended.

@Russellgr64

6 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I was taught it was basically a stalemate.

@roosteroneyed

6 жыл бұрын

Washing the Spears 1973 yes they all embarked back on their ships. That’s why over 8,000 soldiers and a large fleet attacked New Orleans., not to mention the fact that the British took until 1819 to evacuate some occupied parts of the USA.

Unless your American and you know all of these

@epicdude1157

6 жыл бұрын

Im American and i knew all of these

@whatyoutubedeemsappropriat5634

6 жыл бұрын

Dylan Kushinski me too I hate the stupid American stereotype we are taught world history too

@annettemartin766

6 жыл бұрын

what KZread deems appropriate 1 I'm Canadian and know this.

The reason we don't learn more about this war in American history classes is because there's too many grey areas to the war of 1812. There's grey in all wars, but the end was not dramatic or decisive enough to increase our trademark US nationalism. Which is why we focus on the US Civil War and and the Revolution in our history classes. The Civil War dramatically changed the course of our development and the Revolution started our development. Being a young powerful nation we won't probably won't focus on the more humbling mistakes we've made until we are no longer the main military power in the world. Thank you Simon for shedding some light on the subject.

@kingdaniel3519

6 жыл бұрын

That shows how little you know about the War of 1812. It gave us our national identity! I suggest you stop listening to the British version and pick up a book!

The music of the "Star Spangled Banner" is that of an English drinking song, "To Anacreon in Heaven"

no Airports?

1812 was for Canada's independence, if lost we would have ended up being responsible for electing Trump.

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

I like to think that if we would have lost the war and been consumed by the States, we would have been active voters, and therefore could have prevented Trump from being elected.

@nicholasjeremyson

2 жыл бұрын

Cringe

When I was in elementary school, I thought the Star Spangled Banner started off as, "Jose, can you see..." It took me several years to realize that it wasn't a group of Mexicans singing about the U.S. We had to sing it in music class several times a month and no one corrected me. I did ask my teacher once and she just sent me to my spot on the rug without an explanation as to what I had done wrong and why it was wrong. It was only after getting internet access and using Ask Jeeves about getting the lyrics to the song did I learn it wasn't a group of Mexicans singing about how great America was.

You forgot to mention the contribution the Quebecois played in the fighting.

@richlee3777

5 жыл бұрын

He mentioned "Upper and Lower Canada". The Quebecois lived in the province called "Lower Canada" at the time.