I love Danny he is cool in my book

@HanoiHustler

2 жыл бұрын

One can learn from a fellow like him.

You'd think Danny DiLiberto would be more tentative with all of his wrong calls but he keeps firing back with one bold blunder after another. Kudos to Mark Wilson for enduring another brutal session with him.

@celestialsamurai2042

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@alucardx1234

2 жыл бұрын

And this was from 2013. He's even worse now

@daniellebishop3362

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah danny is a dick. Much respect not to cuss him out

@midwestboyy6499

2 жыл бұрын

Can't stand him

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you guys are just SOOOO spot on. That is why I've heard guys like Scott Frost say they've learned TREMENDOUS amounts from Danny. But I'm sure you guys know far more than Scott because he just wins pro tournaments, and is an absolute ace at the hardest game these guys routinely play, one pocket. You geniuses probably run what in straight pool, 30 as a lifetime best? Danny and Scott have run over 100 many times in their lives, and that under pro TOURNAMENT pressure, when ten K or more can be on the line, and non pro where a lot more than that can. And Jayson Shaw just put in a 714! How the hell do you even maintain laser sharp concentration that long? And at rotation I'm more than sure you put 4-6 packs together routinely. Your ignorance is showing, in a big way. I've seen Danny call better shots and rotations than were played MANY times, and Jeremy as well, than the pro has chosen. Granted that is sometimes easier when not at the table, as they've said frequently, and that they always play perfect pool from the box, but still. Jeremy plays top level pro pool as well, and has won major pro tournaments. Not liking him as an announcer is just preference, you can't argue with opinions, they are your own. But trying to call him out on his knowledge, or the fact that he picks different rotations, especially when one is about as good as the other, when it is, is just plain stupid. The other comment I often see that is industrial strength stupid is "I could'a made that shot", one that a pro missed. Of COURSE you could, so could I in almost every case. The PROBLEM with that statement is I (and you) make them at pathetic percentages compared to these guys, pick crap rotations (one of the BIG hitters between pros and ams), etc,. and do that for every aspect of the game. If you really think you can outplay these guys most of them will happily go against you for several grand in a match, just about all the time. Try it sometime, and then come back and tell us what a pro you are, and so competent to make judgements on hall of famers like Danny. It is ridiculous. Go ahead, show them how you SHOULD do it, and feel free to start with Danny, he's ancient, and he will still whip your ass. He could probably still punch your lights out, too (look it up). I was watching Justin Hall freewheel against some VERY good amateurs in our hall, guys that beat me down for all practical purposes, EVERY time I play them, and Justin was taking CRAZY shots you'd almost never see him take in a pro match and making them time after time after time. The first few times I saw him set up for less than straightforward cross table kick combos I was thinking "He's gotta be kidding", then he nailed them time and again. It was amazing, and pool GOD level. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he plays carom at a high level.

Awesome match! Real pity this event is no more..

Great game of safety play we would have missed had jump cues been allowed

Karl deserves subs for this match

Hardly any applause for boyes. This is totally crazy. Like for foreigners at the Tennis US open.

What happened to Jay Halpert? He was commentator in the earlier match of Phil and Shane.

"From 2012 through 2015, Van Boening was virtually unstoppable. He steamrolled to three consecutive U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship wins (2012, '13 and '14), something no other player had accomplished in the event's 40-plus-year history." So what happened after this game?

Jerry Karsch would tell me while shooting the shots in the red book " you can't shoot that shot for 10,000 dollars."

Karl “always breaks bad” Boyes doing what he does 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

Wow, a little spin aka a small masse would have made the ball...

Everytime I hear Danny D doing coms I have to mute it. Talks so much nonsense. Would be good if it was rerelease with new coms on it. Great match and great camera work tho.

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, complain and tell them how they "messed up" the FREE pool video they brought you here. I find him funny, and knowledgeable, so it's just taste. As you said, mute the video, I often do that just so I can analyze and learn from the play myself, without other distractions. All are 'legitimate strategies". The gripe and 'do this extra work for me' (because we all know that the universe's rotational center is ME) seemed a bit over the top, given the PROVIDED and FREE parts. Only half kidding here. But at least you thanked them in the end, after you criticized one major aspect of it. :-)

Country calvin here. I still think for the money, 2 shot roll out is better and if they want to jump balls, do it with the cue stick your playing with . Only way to gamble! Piss on trick shots. Roll out fof banks, cuts, or safety. 2 fouls ball in hand.

Shouldn't Mark Wilson and Ken Shuman, Pat Fleming , Jay Halfert also be in the BCA Hall of Fame?

The match Shane played before this one, against Burford was about the worst I've ever seen him play. He started out OK and ended OK, but the interim was almost beyond belief, for both of them. SVB was out the bottom of pro play stats wise. The commentator said he'll probably come back and play like Shane and he very much did. This was some seriously good play, from both. That type extension Boyer is using there is horrible. I think the extensions that screw in, like the regular cue joints are VASTLY superior. Now many guys are playing with them full time. Strickland has a stick that dwarfs him, and really likes it for playing on the 10'. Strickland comes up with some really strange accoutrements, stuff I really believe is hurting is play, and now that he seems to have rid himself of most of that garbage and started to play more and bitch less he is playing FAR better. I guess someone FINALLY got through to him. Good to see. The longer stick however, I think, was a great idea. I love to watch him play when he's actually playing, just in concentration and flow. Shaw and bigger types are playing with them full time as well. I'm 6'2" and break with my playing cue as well (maybe if I got a GOOD break cue I wouldn't, but mine is junk and my break cue is actually faster and far more controlled, a Z2 shaft). For me it just plays better with the extension on, and when you do need to extend way out it's already there, no muss no fuss. I really think it stabilizes the stick further, as well, on normal shots. When you think about it a one size fits all cue stick for guys from 5 to 6'5" makes no sense whatsoever. Boyer really likes to try to fairly routinely improve balls while playing and I've noticed by and large that it seems to pay off, far more often improving than hosing up balls. He is really good at it. The several times I've seen him play he seems to be a very solid, very consistent player. I remember him laying off for a while, coming back in a Mosconi and saying he hoped he wasn't going to embarrass himself. He very much didn't.

I must play allot of shots that are skid acceptable, because I get allot of skids!!! Object ball freezes/slides on contact and pushes just a small amount, but enough to miss the shot.

@terpet8729

2 жыл бұрын

try using less top spin, and dont hit em tentatively. look at ronnie osullivan, he never skids but a lot of other snooker players do.. a good timing in the stroke does a lot to avoid the skid effect

@uriahotten3895

2 жыл бұрын

Clean the balls really well also. Big contributer to skid also.

@uriahotten3895

2 жыл бұрын

@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO how much crack did you smoke before coming up with all that?

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

THAT's what I like to see, knowledgeable guys giving good info. I would add, as I did elsewhere here, that Dr. Dave's site is an almost unbelievable wealth of GOOD material for guys really trying to learn and improve their game. If you haven't seen it, on the off chance, go take a look, you can thank me later). :-) Everything from stroke mechanics to choosing rotation to analysis with slo mo of WHY things happen as they do (he teaches Mech Engineering at Colorado State, and is an excellent pool player), to even the equations for squirt, swerve, masse, etc, on merch. Just enter a topic on the site, like skid, or draw, or masse, or anything else, and there can often be multiple extended (5-15 minutes, typically) videos on the subject. He also has excellent comprehensive tests you can print and take occasionally, if you so choose, that test virtually every aspect of your game to see where improvement is needed, and quantitatively track your improvement, taken at short or long intervals. Believe me, at ANY level of play, it will help. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if pros visit the site. If they don't they should. Obviously they will know almost all of it, and far more, but from what I've seen they are ALWAYS trying to learn and improve. He has a couple of VERY knowledgeable high level players that help him work out some of this stuff. He keeps it on topic and entertaining, too. Neils Feijen has a nice channel that delves into some lesser seen specific and general topics, and Neil is a pinnacle level master pro, still winning tiptop level tournaments, one very recently. FXBilliards is also excellent. There are about three more, that I know of, but can't think of right now off the top of my pointy head. Hope this helps for anyone (if there is) that has gotten this far, especially newbies. For beginners start Dave's or other channels with stance/stroke/preshot/aiming mechanics. It will pay lifetime dividends if you get it right, unlike i did, and unlearning CRAPPY habits is MUCH harder than getting things right in the first place. If you play a league there are usually a few guys that will be happy, when they are sitting or practicing, to come take a look at your techniques and give a few pointers. Pick the consistently top players. It doesn't hurt to ask, politely, and thank them politely even if they say no. Honey, and all that. Even a few seconds can make dramatic differences if you apply the info., and completely just working that one aspect, like maybe stroke mechanics for MANY (say 500) repetitions, maybe over several practices, almost never hurts either. Keep it fun and interesting, though, after all, that IS the point of playing. Another thing I discovered, far too late, is taking a phone and small stand or full tripod for it and videoing your stroke, or even practice games, can be invaluable. You can easily run self diagnostics, and when you see where a much better rotation than you chose is available even re-setup that table layout and practice running it differently. Even iterate until you run it (or close, or improve greatly, depending on your level). Making your practice aimless farting around helps very little, sometimes even hurts. Good DIRECTED practice never does, it ALWAYS helps. I REALLY wish someone had told me some of this hard won knowledge and info early on. I like to make some of my practice just trying to perfect silly trick shots or really difficult placements and the like, just to have some fun. And breaking and running, keeping score of innings needed to complete, or completion level to miss isn't bad either. SVB claims that is almost all he does in practice, but I guarantee that isn't how he started. Having a few pool champions in the family doesn't hurt much either, obviously. :-) Sorry for the tome, hope it was useful to somebody. Diarrhea of the fingers.

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

@@FIVE-0-APOCALYPTO "venom and his trick shot videos is BS more times than not." OK, that one I am going to take issue with. That is allowed in trick shot (artistic) pool and on his teaching/analysis and usually demo with talk vids he points out any special "tips and tricks", and discusses why they are employed. Artistic pool is in NO WAY inferior to any other aspect of pool, and no less difficult, and Venom is a master, actually almost assuredly THE master of that genre, currently. He also is QUITE good at pool, not pro, but very good. The only top level artistic pro I know of that played/won pinnacle pro competitive tournaments, is Mike Massey. He won pro tournaments (IIRC) AND was a/the top artistic pool master, and still is top level and competing. The entertainment level of some of Venom's vids is stellar, MHO. For anyone who hasn't seen them he has a YT channel under the Venom name, take a look/see and you will almost certainly be entertained. Try a few of the things he does, like making MANY completed one handed jumps into a pocket in minimum time (30 seconds?, Guinness world record) or spinning a ball max time (Guinness record, again), and something over 30 seconds IIRC...and he discusses the technique. He holds many such records, occasionally breaking his own. If I misunderstood what you meant by the BS part, please disregard. In retrospect I guess you may have just meant not doable without the 'cheat'. No disagreement with that.

Well, also play ahead matches for money. Country calvin

The old boy spent the whole match pronouncing his name as Boyce,spoke far too much and unnecessarily to realise that its actually BOYES,who incidentally will be vice captain in the upcoming Mosconi cup next month.

If someone wants to write a book or movie about pool hustleing ftom the 60,70, and 80es. I got a milion stories, all true

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

Cool, why don't you? Or even just put it on video and upload it to YT. I would watch if I saw a title like "My true personal pool hustling stories from the 60s-80s". There are free editors and quick tutorials you can search on google to learn to use them, if that is not already within your wheelhouse, or just ask your grand kid to do it. As a pool player myself (not at all good, but love the game) I might take the 'true' part with the appropriate sized grain of salt, though. You, of all people, know EXACTLY what I mean by that. :-) I heard a good two line such story/joke from Danny in one commentary. He said he heard (or heard of?) the Fats saying in one hall, when listening to some guy drone on and on on a nearby table about the "way too easy" pockets, "Just double the bet, they will get a lot tighter". Truer words were never spoken. Unlike all the whiners here, I think Danny comes up with at least one or two good ones every match. One he uses frequently is the "amphibious" for ambidextrous, and it still makes me smile and shake my head, every time. I get the feeling the humor of the 'good ole' days is lost on a lot of the younger generation. Maybe they just classify it as 'dad humor'. Some of the comics I see seem to think the more crude it is the funnier it is. That stuff is not only not funny, it is downright irritating, to me. There were a few guys that were both, like Carlin, but that, in my experience, is infrequent. Speaking of the 'seven words you can't say on TV", etc. Cheers.

Zombie audience.

I really expected SVB to win

@nimajnebrm

2 жыл бұрын

Shh... no spoilers in the comments.

@seanscanlon9067

6 ай бұрын

@@nimajnebrm That can also mean that Shane won as the other poster expected him to.

At around the 1:09 minute mark Karl doesn’t shoot cause someone talking behind him is a prime reason why pool will never get big enough for a lot of spectators which would equal to big money. Imagine if a basketball player looked to the ref to quite down crowd while shooting a critical free throw shot. Love pool but really ridiculous

@arabdhomajumder5724

2 жыл бұрын

Tennis has plenty of money and spectators are expected to be quiet during points. Golf, same deal as pool with spectators being quiet when players are shooting. Even snooker has considerably more money than pool and they're still expected to be quiet. Pool has a lot of issues but this is a stretch.

@bronx1877

2 жыл бұрын

@@arabdhomajumder5724 Tennis and Golf people can talk and make subtle gestures while talking it just seems like they’re so quite WHY cause the playing field is far enough away where players don’t notice Spectators having conversations nor here them but in pool they’re right there so your theory goes out the window. Your probably the same type of guy that thinks one pocket is the game that’s gonna save pool 🙄

@arabdhomajumder5724

2 жыл бұрын

@@bronx1877 even in tennis the chair umpire will constantly be asking the crowd to be "quiet please." Players stop right before serving to look at the umpire to tell the crowd to be quieter or if there's a distraction in the crowd...golf I don't watch as much so you might be right. I agree that it's a little ridiculous how quiet the fans are expected to be, but I dont think it's a big deal cause like I said, snooker has the same thing and managed to get popular regardless. And LOL no, if any game is gonna save pool it's 9 or 10 ball with the insane shot making and pace.

I had to mute the commentary Can only take so much of Danny D He really needs to be replaced Shane didn't look up to his gold standard But Karl played the tough shots well Good Match

I hate when they ask to clean the ball, such as cry baby move

@nah5461

2 жыл бұрын

A dirty ball can cause skid (extreme unintended throw) that can make them miss a ball, not a “cry baby” move. A very smart move in fact.

@wildansyuhada_

2 жыл бұрын

This is not amateur match bro come on

@MrJdsenior

2 жыл бұрын

Just shows your complete ignorance on WHY they do it, even when it's been explained time and again. Feel stupid much (I wouldn't have phrased it that way, except you did, so a what goes around, comes around demo)? I've seen shots pros have missed through no shooting error whatsoever, due to a skid, when they damn sure wished they'd had it cleaned. Or complete a nearly missed skid shot, and have it cleaned immediately afterward, even when it would have made absolutely not difference on the next shot. When that cue ball starts to get covered with chalk, in certain types of shots the probability of that happening goes WAYYY up. It has to do with the fact that a chalk mark that happens to get between the balls, especially at certain angles and speeds completely changes the resultant object ball path, and cue ball path as well. Some trick shots are shots made with at touch of spit or chalk intentionally at the contact point, and it allows shots to be made that can be made NO other way. If you really want to understand it, rather than make ignorant comments about it, Dr. Dave's website is a TREMENDOUS resource to learn just about every aspect of pool. There are three or four more, but for patterning, placement, rotation, another very good one is ZeroX. That guy has literally turned one gal from a pretty lousy amateur (two weeks or so, with TONS of side practice) into a major large tournament highly contending amateur player, and pro shortly afterward. And he routinely takes guys that are four ball rotation types (a good bit worse than me, even, at my best anyway, not anymore), and turns them into guys that run out not all that infrequently. Back to the skid, It's kind of like the fact that you can shoot center ball all day long and NEVER put chalk on the tip and it would make no difference whatsoever. Try a max draw shot doing that sometime, it will NEVER work, in fact many times it won't even stay on the table, not an exaggeration. Hope this clears it up for you (I could make another nasty comment here, but I will refrain in the hope that I have helped, that is up to YOU).