Karajan's recording of Dvorak's Eighth Symphony with the Vienna Philharmonic is my favorite of all his recordings that I know of. He seems to show such a deep emotional affinity for the work. Absolutely wonderful!

I might add Bernstein's Shostakovich 7 with Chicago on DG

I would definitely add Peter Maag's recording of Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony to the list.

@mrktdd

11 ай бұрын

Yes - and Cantelli's Fourth.

One of my favorite Mahler singletons is Kent Nagano's Symphony 8. What a truly spectacular recording. Giulini was kinda the King of the Singletons. His DG recordings of Beethoven 5, Brahms 1, Mahler 9, & Schumann 3 are all favorites.

@poturbg8698

11 ай бұрын

Nagano also did a great Mahler 3 recording.

@twwc960

11 ай бұрын

I agree. (His Schumann 3 is fabulous!) I was also going to suggest Giulini's Bruckner 9 with Vienna, as well. Speaking of Bruckner, I would add Klemperer's Bruckner 6 to the list as well. (He did record some other Bruckner but never a complete cycle.)

@c.7610

11 ай бұрын

Giulini’s Mahler 9 was the first Mahler symphony I ever heard. Life-changing.

@aubreyeie3962

11 ай бұрын

Nagano’s Brahms 4 is also great

@DonCYHaute

11 ай бұрын

Nagano's premiere of the full three-movement Das Klagende Lied is an incredible interpretation that's been put on youtube quite recently, though the singers couldn't quite pull it off on the night sadly. I hope there's a studio version of his that does it justice.

Previn's glorious Mahler 4 is wonderfully upliftng.

What a terrific idea for a review! Thank you! I've always wished Monteux could have recorded more Brahms- his partnership with Henryk Szeryng in the Violin Concerto reveals his love for the composer with every warm, glowing phrase.

Off to Amazon I go. The Karajan/Berlin Phil Mahler 4 has some of the most beautiful string playing that I have ever heard. Zubin Mehta/Vienna Phil give a special charge to Mahler 2. Scott Varland

I'd much rather have a fantastic "one off" noncycle that is fulfilling to listen to than a disappointing cycle. Great Clint Eastwood quote, "A man's got to know his limitations. " 🤣

I was wondering if you’d mention the Blomstedt Mahler 2 - which I love because you talked about it in a Mahler 2 video - what a spectacular recording and a really solid performance - so good that I struggle enjoying other Mahler 2s as much as this one. Added a few to my list based on this video, as is usually the case when I watch your chats. Thanks as always, Dave.

Regarding the Ancerl Shostakovich amazing is indeed the word! The understanding of the architecture, the tempi, the wealth and clarity of detail, the beauty of the the orchestral playing even during many of the most harrowing moments, all revelatory. I have heard many renditions of this symphony and enjoyed many of them and yet I find this performance to be uniquely wonderful. Oh and the overall engineered recorded sound- I don't know exactly how to say that ") - seems really good. Thanks David!

I got the Blomstedt Mahler 2, Dave, and I love it. Thank you so much.

@DavesClassicalGuide

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I have just found, at Presto, a 1956 live recording of Brahms 3 by Monteux in Edinburgh with the Boston Symphony. The booklet notes tell us the same that Mr. Hurwitz told: that Monteux was "sad to have been so restricted in (his) chosen metier" because of his being French...

Thanks, Dave. Great review

Great list! To this I would add the Bruckner Ninth with Giulini/Vienna Philharmonic on DG

Cool video. I’ve learned so much from this channel. Amazon and the iTunes Store thanks you :)

Great list, Dave! I remember as a college student the thrill I experienced in hearing Szell's Philips LP recording of Sibelius' Sym. 2. When I played it for my friend, he gave up Moody Blues and became a real aficionado of classical music. I always loved the way Szell brought out the TUBA in the closing pages of the finale. As for Monteux and the Brahms Sym. 2, I see where Monteux apparently recorded it 5 times. Like yourself, I think the Vienna performance is sonically the best, but his 1945 San Francisco Sym. performance is electric in places, and while slower, his 1962 LSO performance, recorded about 2 years before his passing, is beautiful, too. Your readers might also be pleased to know that Monteux's "live" performance with the Boston Symphony Orchestra has just appeared on ICA classics CD. Beautiful performance. Thank you!

Many thanks for the information. As the saying goes, less is more. The Muti/Mahler 1 was a real revelation. Thankfully there are still a few secondhand copies available online.

A fine list. In particular, the two Mahler recordings by Blomstedt and Muti are surprisingly good. Makes me wish they both had done maybe two or three others. Muti also did a good live Mahler 4 with the Concertgebouw in 1995 that's available on KZread.

Very good video, I agree with you about the over-proliferation of cycles. Another really good singleton release is MTT's Tchaik 1 with the BSO.

Hi Dave, Great presentation as ever. The Szell/Cleveland account of the Sibelius 2nd was not intended for commercial release but was a rather a live capture by NHK engineers. (Apparently, it was video taped as well but someone wiped the reels...what a loss but at least we've an audio stereo sound track.) By the time of the Tokyo concert at Bunka Kaikan, the orchestra members realized that something was physically very wrong with Szell. He alone already knew he was going to die of his diagnosed bone cancer and despite encroaching weakness - probably fevers as well - he soldiered on through force of his prodigious will. The Clevelanders, sensing the seriousness of his difficulties, decided to go for broke at the Tokyo concert in tribute to him and delivered a performance for the ages. Szell was moved to say after the concert: "Now THAT was a performance!" I think this was the penultimate concert of his life with the last being done in Anchorage, Alaska. After landing in Cleveland, he went to the hospital, and never came out, ultimately dying there some six or seven weeks later. He was 73. Had he lived it would not have been pretty. He was starting to lose his hearing and I think a sad break with Cleveland also would have occurred. He already felt emotionally distant from them because they asserted themselves in a strike situation. In some ways, Szell's demise was perfect timing for him, sad to say.

A more recent example that I adore is Alexandre Bloch Malher 7.

Fun topic and great list! I am sure you could only throw so much Mahler in the list, but the Fritz Reiner CSO Das Lied von der Erde would definitely be on my list (and thanks, Dave, for highlighting this recording).

I would add Szell's and Dohnanyi's recordings of the Dvorak 7th, 8th, and 9th, both with the Cleveland, my hometown team. I'd also add Szell's Tchaikovsky 5th, again with the Cleveland. Dave also put me in mind of great conductors who, as far as I know, did no cycles at all: Beecham, Stokowski, Mengelberg.

@poturbg8698

11 ай бұрын

Stokowski did a Brahms cycle with Philly in the 78 rpm days, and there is a complete Mengelberg Beethoven set, although it was not conceived as a cycle.

@coasterfrk100

11 ай бұрын

Dohnanyi's Dvorak 8 and 9 are my favorites. One small complaint. Wish he had observed the first movement repeat in the 9th.

@bigg2988

11 ай бұрын

@@coasterfrk100 Agreed with regard to the repeat. Such gorgeous music ought to be played to the full! Any time I see a recording of the 9th that has an 8-to-9 minute first movement, it subconsciously feels underwhelming even before hearing...

Excellent!

I'd include Beethoven 7 with Beecham, Shostakovich 11 with Stokowski, Parry 5 with Boult (yes I know, Parry... but it's actually a very fine work) and, maybe a surprise, Dvorák 9 with Böhm.

What a fascinating topic! My two cents worth: Beethoven #2 with Beecham, and the Eroica with Barbirolli.

I recently got the Blomstedt box and have been meaning to set aside time to listen to the Maher 2, so maybe I'll do that this afternoon. I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention the Wit Mahler 8, but maybe the list was already a bit Mahler-heavy. And, if we throw in triptychs as some others in the comments have done, I will always be grateful for Kurt Sanderling's 9th/completed 10th/das Lied.

Great idea for a list. All superlative performances. These guys batted and pitched a perfect game and said, "I'm out."

Glad as ever to see you well and great discussion piece. On the Monteux i would be interested to hear your view of the live Brahms 4 on KZread from Boston in 1960 and the BBC Legends 3rd.

One that I immediately thought of is the Zubin Mehta Schmidt Symphony # 4 with the VPO. I can easily imagine that someone might have tried to talk him into doing the other three.

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

No, I disagree. The intention here was to speak or repertoire that frequently appeared in complete cycles. Schmidt doesn't even rise to "frequently appeared," never mind a complete cycle. The fact that a composer wrote more than one of something isn't necessarily relevant.

Dave - as I was listening to this talk a topic that came to mind is a top 10/15/20 list of recordings (could be limited to symphonies if you like) where a visiting or "guest" conductor came in, recorded, and the results of which produced a recording that outdid/bested/outplayed the MD or Chief Conductor of XYZ orchestra in the same repertoire. In that I mean, this guest is not an officially appointed position, but someone who was just on the schedule. In and out. I bet there has to be a solid list of examples here. But only if you're really bored 🙂

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

I'm not that bored yet.

Very interesting video Dave, thank you. I think there's one 'great, famous' conductor 'in the universe' who only did one complete cycle (Brahms in Vienna) and no other one, but made imo great recordings of single symphonies: Giulini. I love his Mahler 1 and 9 (both Chicago, on EMI and DG), of course his Bruckner (the VPO 7-9 are well known, but I much more like his recording of the 2nd with the Wiener Symphoniker), and whatever he did (Schumann 3 in LA). Even his Chicago Schubert 9 is at least very interesting. You never (re)commend his recordings, Dave. Idea to spend a video on his non-opera recordings...? (His opera recordings are very interesting as well, though).

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

I often recommend his recordings.

Martinon’s Nielsen just crackles with energy, and is one of my faves. I’d add Barbirolli’s 1962 recording of VW5 with the Philharmonia Orchestra to your list.

A few that come to my mind are (in no particular order): 1. Brahms 4 - Kent Nagano, Deutsche SO 2. Saint-Saens 3 - Kazuki Yamada, Monte-Carlo PO 3. Tchaikovsky 6 - Teodor Currentzis, MA (one of the better recordings he made) 4. Mendelssohn 3 - Dimitri Mitropoulos, Minneapolis SO 5. Mendelssohn 3 - Peter Maag, LSO 6. Schubert 9 - Josef Krips, LSO 7. Mendelssohn 4 - George Szell, CO 8. Schumann 2 - Giuseppe Sinopoli, Philharmonia O 9. Brahms 3 - Hans Knappertsbusch, BPO 1950 (very controversial and sometimes technically sloppy, but he really made some interesting points) 10. Tchaikovsky 4 - Christoph Dohnanyi, VPO 11. Mahler 9 - Kurt Sanderling, multiple orchestras 12. Beethoven 9 - Klaus Tennstedt, LPO

Great talk yet again. So much stuff in the one this time. It's my view too btw. It's just fine that we don't have anything more. My mind boggles at what could have been but we'll always have Paris indeed! 😉

David, I thought you might have mentioned the Monteux Sibelius 2 with the LSO on RCA. It was my introduction to the work and I still regard it very highly. I don't think he recorded any of the Finn's other symphonies. I'm glad you mentioned the Ancerl Czech PO Shostakovich 10th. Magnificent.

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

I might have.

My choice for Dvorak's 8th would be Giulini in Chicago for DG. It's well played and conducted throughout, but it's most remarkable for the horns in the last movement - they are AMAZING!! I think the miking was arranged specifically to make them stand out, and boy do they ever, much more than any other recording. Well worth a listen.

I can imagine Pierre Monteux being good Brahms as was his Dvorak. Actually Dvorak 7 and the LSO by him was excellent...

As far as I can remember, Wand thought of Schumann's second symphony either 'sick work' or 'sick man's work'.

I'd like to nominate two personal faves: 1. Brahms 3, with Fritz Reiner and the CSO on RCA. This may be hard to find on CD. Reiner really cracked the whip on this; it is nearly as fast as Bruno Walter (Dave's choice.) I wonder why it has never gotten much notice. 2. Mendelssohn 3 (Scottish) with Dmitri Mitropoulos and the Philharmonic-Symphony of New York (as the NY Phil was known in those days.) I can do no better than refer you to Dave's review of the Mitropoulos box to see why I am so enthusiastic about this one.

Brahms 4th Carlos Kleiber it's one of the great Brahms ever...

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

No, actually, it's not.

Here are a few additions that popped into my head: Shostakovich: Symphonies Nos. 6 and/or 11 (I can't decide which) /Paavo Berglund & Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra Dvorak: Symphony No. 7/ Sir Colin Davis & Concertgebouw Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 (again) / Pierre Monteux & LSO Bruckner: Symphony No. 5 / Wolfgang Sawallisch & Bayerisches Staatsorchester Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 / Hans Rosbaud & Südwestfunk Orchester Baden-Baden Nielsen: Symphony No. 5 / Leonard Bernstein & NYP

Bruckner no. 9 - Lenny Not an obvious coupling, but terrific.

I love Nielsen's Symphony No.4 'The Inexcusable' 😂. I'll also put my hand up for the Monteux Dvorak 7, and add Sinopoli's Scubert 'Unfinished' The 1st movement scares me out of my wits!

@bigg2988

11 ай бұрын

Have you listened to Sinopoli's almost 100 minute Mahler 9th with Dresden?.. Oh my, it is like some dark rite. Scary, nihilistic and merciless to the listener! Of course Mahler's music allows also for such interpretation, but it teeters on the brink of an abyss. The first and last movements BOTH are over 30 mins, if memory serves! With any reservations that apply, we have to acknowledge Sinopoli mostly just did not give a damn and went his way. :)

Comparing Monteux's Brahms 2s: I prefer the sound and overall playing of the Beulah stereo recording from 1959 with Vienna. The LSO Decca version is also superb, as you pointed out. Great video of important one off recordings, or almost.

@petercable7768

11 ай бұрын

Just to clarify. Monteux's Vienna Phil performance was a Decca recording. The LSO performance was made for Phillips. Both are equally satisfying.

Dear David, I have searched for the recording of Sibelius's second symphony conducted by Szell and it has been impossible for me to get any of the ones you propose, neither the one made in studio nor the one recorded live in Tokyo. I have only been able to find in streaming a live version, I think by the Concertgebouw orchestra, from the Urania Records label but in which nothing else is specified. Although it sounds excellent to me Do you know more data about this recording? Thank you very much in advance and congratulations for your exceptional channel in which I learn a lot despite having been in this hobby since my teens, more than 40 years ago.

@DavesClassicalGuide

10 ай бұрын

I believe the Urania is the Philips recording. I can't believe it's impossible to find anywhere....

@pepegaleote11

10 ай бұрын

@@DavesClassicalGuide I believe the Phillips recording is a studio recording, however the Urania recording is live. Thank you for your reply

Slatkin's Walton 1st and because few are interested in the Second you have Szell for that (remarkable recordings both). Mackerras' amazing and unjustly neglected Rachmaninov 3rd with the RLPO. Fremaux's spectacular Saint-Saens Organ Symphony with the CBSO and last but not least, Alan Gilbert's stellar Mahler 9th in Stockholm

For me it would have to be Barbirolli's Eroica (BBC SO). He is more obviously known for his recordings of Elgar, Mahler, Sibelius, V-Williams, Bruckner, Brahms than Beethoven, even though he regularly programmed Beethoven (as well as Haydn) in all those Halle seasons. Yet he recorded only Symphonies 1,5, and 8 before that 1967 Eroica, and it's a thrilling performance. Monumental from start to finish, and with one of the most moving and grandly conceived funeral marches on disc--the climax of which is positively hair-raising. It's all worlds away from fleet HIP performances more likely heard today, but it's dug-in seriousness of purpose, the gravity evident in every bar, can make later readings seem scrawny and superficial, like they're missing the point of the music. A true stand-alone recording.

Hmmm, I've noticed you mention the Ancerl Shostakovich Symphony 10 before but it seems to be a DG recording and not a Supraphon. No biggie but just wanted to make sure there is in fact only the one 1956 recording. The Ancerl Shostakovich Symphony 1 and 5 are the Supraphon recordings, I believe. Oh, and here's another great singleton and a defining performance (and recording!): Hanson, Symphony 2: Gerhardt/National

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

Yes, it was a DG recording. Hanson doesn't count. No one did Hanson cycles or could be expected to do one aside from Hanson himself and, eventually, Schwarz

@michaelk6057

11 ай бұрын

Thx & fair enough!@@DavesClassicalGuide

Shostakovich: Symphony No. 10 (Ancerl, Czech Phil) Supraphon? I believe it is DG or Decca, the 1955 mono recording.

@DavesClassicalGuide

4 ай бұрын

DG.

It is a very interesting selection of stand-alone symphonies, I will check them out. However, I wonder whether Brahms 2 under Monteux refers to the 1964 recording with the LSO or the 1959 with the VPO. They are probably quite similar, but I wonder which is the one to get.

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

Please read the comments.

Thanks for the great video, Dave. Could you also please consider a video on pieces by the same artist, but better caught live than in their studio versions?😊

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

No, I'm sorry. I'd never do that.

Monteux's Brahms 2nd on Philips with the LSO is also a great performance. Was Ancerl's Shostakovich 10th originally released on Supraphon? The version I have is on DG (The Originals series).

@SolFilms

11 ай бұрын

I *think* they’re two separate recordings. The Eloquence Ancerl set gives a 1955 date, and the Supraphon cd release say… (Checking) *Edit: There’s no Shostakovich 10th in the gold series and a quick online search doesn’t show any LP releases of the DG recording by Supraphon.

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

My bad, it was on DG--the other stuff was on Supraphon.

@johanhendrix5907

11 ай бұрын

The great mono one on Supraphon is the 7th (1 and 5 being stereo I think).

Dave, Pierre Monteux recorded the Brahms Second twice. He recorded it with the Vienna Philharmonic in 1959 for either RCA or Decca, and recorded it again with the London Symphony in 1962 for Philips. Which recording are you referring to?

@falesch

11 ай бұрын

I, too, would like to know.

@falesch

11 ай бұрын

I double checked, and David did specify "Decca" up in his playlist, so that probably means it's the VPO recording.

@falesch

11 ай бұрын

Hmm... The image from the LSO recording says Decca Eloquence. Discogs has the VPO recording as RCA Victor. I'm unable to choose between the two. Sonically, however, I greatly prefer the VPO recording. However, in the LSO the 4th movement coda with its blazing final bars has better definition in the brass, making for a memorable and delicious aftertaste.

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

LSO '62

@shanesaunders420

6 ай бұрын

He also did two mono versions with the San Francisco Symphony

Thomas Schippers Schubert 9th with Cincinnati

You have to know Dave that there is a live recording of Brahms 3rd with Monteux with Boston

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

I'm not talking about live recordings. At this point, there's a live recording of everything by everyone.

@damiangruszczynski7451

11 ай бұрын

@@DavesClassicalGuide yes I know! I refer to what you said that Monteux would make an interesting 3rd in your opinion :-)

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

Gotcha. I meant in the studio.

I might have added Monteux's Franck D minor

Thanks for this video. I proceeded to hunt down the Mahler/Blomstedt and the Sibelius/Szell which were missing from my collection after watching it :-) PS: I have Shosta 10/Ancerl but on DG. Is it different than the Supraphon one or the same performance? Thanks

@DavesClassicalGuide

11 ай бұрын

It's a DG recording. Same thing.

Nice to see the Vienna Mehta Mahler 2 getting love here, I’ll add his Bruckner 9, equally as beautiful. Also the Barenboim Chicago Mahler 5. That’s a great performance too.

I feel the Jarvi dsch 10 is better than the Ancerl because of the better sonics. I can crank up the Jarvi 😊. The Ancerl may be a better performance.