Dinner tonight my family was smiling as our Hayward tristar VS900 arrived today - I then rationed the cup of lima beans.

I’ve installed three of these so far and love love love them!

I had my pool built by Dolphin pools here in Phoenix, Arizona, that's the pump that was included with the 10,300 gallon pool package I selected. I love the way I can adjust the pump RPM, at night I have it going at around 75%. And I turn it on during the day at around 45% just to run the water through the filter. I had one small issue with it. It would turn off after around 25 seconds after coming on for no reason at all once in a while, I would clear it by turning the breakers off for a few minutes and then turn them back on, and it would run normally again for a while. I called Dolphin pools up and they sent a Hayward repair man over and he replaced a circuit board under warranty. Has not done it since then and that was around four months ago.

Cannot wait to see this in action... 13 year old Pentair started smoking and decided to go with Hayward 900. Thanks for all the data. I have mixed 2" and 1.5" so the sweet spot can be found... I initially was gonna go with the Super Pump 700 but the basket size pushed me to the 900series

Great pump! One of my favorites to install.

Great Video Steve!, Fortunately I replaced my pump at opening this year and my pool guy supplied this pump! I watch your videos al the time so I am thrilled it gets your approval...Also it was cool to find out you are from Paris! Born and raised in Burford here.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Small world!

Absolutely love mine, 2 1.5 inch suction lines and 3 1.5 inch returns with 2 inch waterfall line. 110 gpm! Thanks for the amazing info!

Just bought the Jacuzzi version of this. Same pump, private labelled for Jacuzzi, better deal at the time. I decided to go with it because of your videos about it.

Great information and timing.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great information!

Very informative thank you

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Love the video! My pool builder supplied this Hayward unit with the Hayward Automation. Is there a way to add the flow meter and read it via my phone? Would love to also display some of the other data like amp draw etc. Thanks for all the great videos!

Just bought the pump. It is awesome so far and super quiet.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting!

You are a hero and leader in the pool industry Steve, thank you for caring and striving for the proper way to do things. I have 83’ feet of distance from my skimmer and main drain in 1.5” pvc piping to the pool pump so two total suction lines of 166’ feet, pretty definite from your videos that is divided by 2 and equals 83’ feet of head. What size Hayward pump would you recommend, the 2.7 THP unit because the high head distance? Has Hayward salt generator and heater, 4 return pool outlets branched off one 1.5” line at some point to the pool, thank you for guidance.

@catherine7759

4 ай бұрын

we have same setup - what did you decide?

Absolutely fantastic, been looking technically at various high-end pumps for my new pool 27 cubic meters; and got to the Hayward 1.85 HP VS 900 then found your video, thanks so much.. Can I run it at 220 volts, 50 Hz without degradation.

Steve you the Goat of pools.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

5 ай бұрын

I am really dialing up the content this year so stay tuned!

Great info

Fantastic video, I’ve worked with you a bit on a lack of full prime in the skimmer basket of the pump which I think maybe be due to have 1.5” pipes to and from the pool, but other than that the pump has been great. Having a flow meter is a must to help determine the optimal speeds and hours to get the 3x turnover. I’ve learned a ton for you and your content.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

It is surprising how many people do not have or use a flow meter when they get a VS pump!

@SoundAloneband

7 ай бұрын

Clean your filter. Filters especially the swim clear models have a cored cartridge. That thick core blocks 30% of flow already. I've seen this so many times and a dirty filter usually is the culprit to a half empty basket while priming.

Thank you well done

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I love you swimming pool Steve and your videos :) personally only issue I’ve seen with Hayward Tristar’s is the pump body likes to split at the seam on the top threads for the union. Otherwise great pump! I’ve seen 3 of these on 1 street leaking from the same place :(

@MoeCholla

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I had to replace the wet end of the same pump twice in about a 6-year span... They're about $300-400 retail. The plastic there is just too thin

Great review, you convinced me.....I have a pool with about 25,000 gallons with a SPA....currently on a Haywood Northstar with a 2HP ...should I go with the 1.85 or 2.7 GPH model?

I agree with you excellent pump… great video… I love watching your videos and I have been following you for years.

The magic happens by the part you can't see. The impeller and its hydrodynamic design is a main driver of efficiency. Great video on a great pump.

Great video, Steve. I appreciate all of the knowledge you share. I have a 20,000 gallon pool with 1.5" plumbing - 1 floor drain, skimmer, and 2 returns. Based on what I'm seeing in this video, the lowest setting of 1,500 RPM on this pump would produce the max efficient flow. Is there a smaller pump that you would recommend that would allow me to run at lower RPMs where I'm getting 20 gpm vs 38 gpm as you suggested?

Great video. We have been running the SP3400SP for a little over ten years. We love it however it is on its third drive controller board. The first two Hayward replaced under warranty however the last one I just replaced was just out of warranty. When we installed the pump originally in 2012 the cost was 899.00 which has now climbed to around 2200.00. We also got a fairly large rebate from the power company in 2012.

@daveschmidt4504

2 ай бұрын

Install a surge protector

@harveypaxton1232

2 ай бұрын

@@daveschmidt4504 Aready on one. This is a problem with the Hayward and Pentair VFD’s. I went with Hayward because they were suppose to be slightly more reliable. The first two were under warranty so it wasn’t such a big deal. Also in the last five years the price for the drive board has gone from slightly under 300 up to 850. I am talking to the repair facility I use for my industrial VFD’s to see if they can repair the boards.

@daveschmidt4504

2 ай бұрын

@harveypaxton1232 ok goo'd to know I wonder if they fixed it with the newer model

@harveypaxton1232

2 ай бұрын

@@daveschmidt4504 I am not sure but in my area there are more than ten used ones for sale with the “motor stalled” fault.

Hayward makes a great product

Steve love yer videos, so much info! Could you explain pipe size in more detail? When you say 2.5" suction, does that mean the pipes from the skimmer baskets and the deep end double drain holes are 2.5" all the way to the filter? Can they bend 2.5 pipe around a radius?

Hola Steve from Mexico, Thank you very much for this super informativ video. We are currently building a new pool here in Mexico for a guest house and it is pain in the ... to get good advice from the local dealers. They only want to sell but dont really have knowledge like you. I have learned soo much from you videos. I wish we could hire you here in Mexico to support us more with our construction for the pool. Have a wonderful weekend and once again, thank you soo much.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

10 ай бұрын

Here is my consulting service page for new pool installations: www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/question4.html

Hello, Steven. First and foremost, I want to thank you so much. Your videos have been extremely helpful. I'm from Kenya and needed your advice on the following pumps: Astral, Emaux, Doyin, and Dab. Which one do you recommend for a 25m by 15m pool with a capacity of 75000l? Thank you, in advance.

Hey Steve ....moved from Toronto to Philippines a month ago ....intend to live here , as well build a home & pool . Great explanation/ info provided by you . Disappointed can't purchase on line ....oh well ....wife will return to Canada every 6 mths . Thanks

@ifyougiveagirlahammer3370

3 ай бұрын

They are available online in the US now. At least they are when I googled them May 5th, 2023, and from multiple sources. Though might be without a warranty for DIY...

we're putting in a 20k gallon pool with a few return lines + 2 waterfalls, our contract had this pump in it but our builder gave us a "free upgrade" to the 950 saying it would be better for our circumstances. Hoping this was wise

Would appreciate your opinion on overall Hayward vs jandy or pentair equipment and pumps in general. Is there one that is just superior over other brand? appreciate any feedback thanks. great video

Thank you for the information you provided. It helped me out very much over the years! I've just rewired my pool pump outlet for 220v vs 120v because my next pump failure I want to install a VS pump based on your data driven advice. My question is, is pump basket capacity a major consideration in reality? I have a Hayward Superpump now with quite a large basket. But, everything always seems to get jammed against the intake, the rest of the basket remains pretty much debris free. Regardless of the basket size, wouldn't the same thing happen with any basket?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Well to a certain degree all pumps will perform similarly handling debris like leaves, but if you actually have a leaf problem, as in too many, larger is better when it comes to strainer baskets

Thanks for the video! Have a recommendation on which flow meter please?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

There are a few models to look at. The green digital readout I have in this video is the FLOWVIS digital brand, which adapts to a diverter valve / FLOWVIS unit. You can just use the analogue scale on the flow meter, or you can upgrade to the digital readout that you see here.

@Platinum1812

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you!

Nice! Can this pump be used on a water well or lake well?

What I run on my pool and also a majority of our new builds. 950/900/700

great video Steve. We have a 16000 gallon kidney shaped pool in california, and we want to run a new VS with a solar pool heater, are the issues regarding the 1.85hp vs the bigger 2.7hp (the VS95) still applicable? Struggling to figure out how to calculate the needed draw

@Swimmingpoolsteve

4 ай бұрын

It comes down to your unique system design, especially including how many suction lines you have and what size they are. This is why generally you should have a pool professional come to your house to evaluate the installation. If you go too large with the pump you create a potentially dangerous situation with your pool pump. If you go too small, the pump will fail to efficiently meet your flow needs. The 1.85hp tristar has good lifting ability. Maybe less than a 3hp high head pump but more than any medium head pump on the market. If you can estimate your resistance to flow in feet of head, then check out the comparison table I made for all of the most popular pool pumps to see how much actual flow it will deliver at both 30' and 60' of head examples. Bottom of the page here: www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/pump-reviews1.html

Really fascinating. In my area of the US it seems the 3hp Pentair Inteliflo is the go-to pump even though it's quite expensive and overpowered (at top rpm) for nearly all pools. I have one for 20k gallons. At 1200 rpm it moves 38 gal/min at 110 watts silently. (For 2 x 1.5 hours it runs at 2200 rpm, 75 gal/min, to get the skimmers flowing.) It would be absolutely great to see a comparison episode. Incidentally, thanks for the tip on flow meters. It's _not_ normal to have one here in the U.S., but I find it makes many things simpler. nb: The reputation down here - I've seen no actual data - is that pump "guts" - motors, seals, bearings, impellers etc. - of Hayward pumps tend to have lower lifetime than Pentair.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

A 3hp intelliflo will deliver over 180 gpm with the right conditions. If you have 2" pipes and a 3hp intelliflo you are pretty much guaranteed to be past poor efficiency and straight into safety concerns as well as the pump operating very far from BEP. a 3hp intelliflo should have 3" pipe sizes through the filtration set. It is an absurdly powerful pump. When used on the right pool that is amazing. When used improperly, which is most of the time, it is dangerously powerful and a ton of efficiency is being wasted.

@generessler6282

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Absolutely right. Let me explain how I got here. When we moved in 3 years ago there was a 1.5 hp single speed Whisperflow. Pool was 14 years old. This wasn't the original pump, but it wasn't new. I added the flow meter as you recommended and learned it was pushing 105 gal/min. Checked equipment and plumbing specs. Did the math. Everything was okay with this high flow, but of course it was badly inefficient. I decided on the Intellifo in part because it's plumbing compatible with the Whisperflow and the rest of the pad is all Pentair. In addition, Intelliflo has a global "max rpm" setting. I determined from the head/flow curves that 3100 rpm would duplicate the Whisperflow. Point was there are deck jets - seldom used - that need about 15 psi. So I set the global limit to that for the two hours a year the kids are interested. The rest of the time it runs at 1200 or 2200 rpm as I said. Power consumption is 110 or 400 watts. Seems very efficient to me. It's giving 3 pool volumes of water exchange per day: top end of what you recommend. The motor is absolutely loafing. I expect this to lead to a long and happy life. I know a smaller pump would have been fine. But I'm getting old, luckily have the dollars, and am trying to set things up for minimum maintenance. Basically I do not trust others to touch the pool after the problems I found when we moved in, which were all due to "pool professionals." Again thanks for your great videos.

Great job explaining but I’m looking to replace my 21 year old Hayward pump and motor, I have a 2hp motor single speed and I’m considering replacing it with a VS. I have a 16x30 pool and I watched your video on comparing Pentar vs Hayward and it seems that Pantar moves more water but Hayward is cheaper to run? Is that a fair comparison?

Great video, I am getting ready to have a stealth inground pool installed 16ft x 34ft x 3.5ft (Shallow) x 6ft (deep end) somewhere around 16,000 gallons. This is the pump that is coming with my pool kit. I planned on utilizing 2.5" plumbing with sweeping elbows. What RPM and or GPM would you recommend for a 24 hour filtration schedule?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

11 ай бұрын

Not enough info by a long shot to answer a question like this. You need adequate flow rate for the peripheral equipment, the skimmer and return functionality, and to meet minimum turnover requirements for your pool. Every pool will have a unique answer to this question

This pump is for sale online even Amazon. Just an FYI.. Good video!

@Master_Failure

4 ай бұрын

I wish he had an affiliate link in here. It would give me confidence that I am buying the right one and get him a few dollars as well. How about it Steve?

I have three 1.5" returns coming from the pool (2 skimmers and 1 main drain). They each "T" into a 1.5" manifold and then almost immediately make a 90-degree turn from the manifold to a fairly short run to the SuperPump. The pressure side of the SuperPump is 1.5". If I had a pump like the VS 900 that can accept 2" or 2.5" pipe, would there be an advantage to using 2" or 2.5" pipe for the manifold and from the manifold to the pump? To what degree would the 90 degree turns offset any possible gains? If being able to consolidate smaller returns into a larger manifold is beneficial, this might be a further argument for the VS 900.

Which type of VS pump would you recommend for a 17x30 above ground: 15-16k gallon, two skimmers with 2" lines converging to a 3" main. Two 2" return lines. Currently have a single speed 1hp pump hayward xstream, CC1000 cartridge filter. Currently getting 68 gpm flow per my flow meter. Tried to use all your tips and tricks installing this used system. Minimal turns, sweep elbows, etc..

Steve, at 5:42 you talk about automation, and then there's an edit and your thought seemed cut off... I'm planning a new pool build and will have the OmniLogic controller system, so do I need the this "smart" pump with its own controller? I'll actually have two pumps, one for the pool and one for a spa...

How does the on board watt meter compare to the one you have on the wall?. I have a TriStar pump, but i wasnt sure if the pump, under or over reported power consumption. Thanks for the video, i watch most of them.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Every on board wattage meter I have seen measures low. This is all brands and all models. Not a lot...something like 5% low on average, but they all do that and I have triple redundant meters including ammeters, inductive ammeters as well as a Fluke brand amp probe. My guess is the pumps all calculate power consumed based on RPM but this only accounts for the actual motor power and not the control circuit power to the pump controller. The Pentair Superflo has an abnormally high power consumption when the pump is not running versus all other brands and models I have tested. It occurs to me I have been testing these pumps for years and I am barely scratching the surface here lol. Oh well, I guess that means lots more videos for me to make!

great job

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Here in the UK our electricity is 3 times your cost. Your salaries are roughly double ours and your taxation is a third of the UK. I should move !!

I have the OnCommand Hayward. controller and want to swap out the single speed pump. I measured it at 10.6A @240V. Is there a version if this pump without the controller and can be controlled be the OnCommand 4 Relay controller? Or get rid of the pump and controller and use the bulletin controller?

Will the TriStar union threads fit on the Black and Decker pump?

Hi Steve, Unrelated to the pump, but my pool will be stagnant for 10-12 days waiting for a new filter (20 yr old one split top dome). I tried to find parts to built a (U shaped) bypass so I could run the water & navigator but no local parts (pipes/threads/unions/etc ) will attach to where I removed the filter. Special pool only/Hayward sizes. So besides keeping it heavy chlorinated & brushing any other ideas to prevent alga? Thanks! Froggy.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Brushing and heavy chlorination will help to a certain degree. I might add a submersible pump to the deep end and run a garden hose into the shallow end. Have the garden hose sit in the deck and let the water fall into the pool. It's only a tiny amount of aeration and movement of water bit every bit will help

@1947froggy

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve THANKS!

The Black & Decker 2hp is half the price and can install myself. I like the Tristar but is it twice as good as the B&D pump?

I have this pump. It’s installed to suck water from the bottom of the pool and push it out of the 3 water feature “spillover pots”alongside the pool. I don’t know if it is functioning as variable speed any longer because nothing is displaying on the control pad. It seems the pool guys just used the valves to control the flow. Now I have a new pool guy who says we should move this variable speed pump to become the main pool filter pump. They said it would save us money because we could run it a low speed. I’m not sure if they’re right. Also, I’m not sure why the pump display is displaying nothing but still turns on. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Do you have a impeller clean video? I'm pretty sure mine is clogged and I need to take it apart to clean it ... Probably....

Eehhh pentair pumps still reign supreme. I will say haywards rep support and stuff has improved a lot though. The new Omni system is cool. I'm glad companies are finally starting to let you use other brands with automation now. Before almost nothing was compatible save for a heater.

I am having trouble with getting enough RPMs to keep my pop up head cleaning system working. Any ideas?

Great video! Where can I find it documented on the voltage vs performance? I’ve not been able to locate that in Hayward’s literature.

Jim here is this pump good for in floor systems

My customers never want to program the pump. They want the minimum speed to kick in the heater and leave it at that speed. I find that is around 1800-2200rpm with a clean filter.

I think I have this pump, I have the 3202VSP model (is that the same pump) , and I find it super super loud when compared to the 3HP pentair pump of someone I know . On full speed it I can hear it 500 + feet away. would you expect that from This pump or do you think there is something wrong with it?

I wish this would have been out before the pool guy replaced my old pump with the Jacuzzi 1.65hp.

Can we use this pump to create a flow like endless fast lane

Love the video Steve !! Would this pump be ok for a 21 foot 54” tall round above ground pool ? Or would it be over kill ? I have 2 inch piping, a skimmer and 2 main drains if that helps. Thanks !! P.s I would save tossing fruit at it for when you start your onlyfans ….I am sure there would be folks into that 😅

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

I feel like despite having 2" pipes this pump is going to be overkill for your application. Unless there is something about your installation such as a rooftop solar heater plus verification that your skimmers and suction points can accommodate the flow...but I don't think they will. A medium head pump would likely be best suited to your application.

@shannon1872

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thanks Steve !! Been following along on your videos and after upgrading my plumbing to two inch , a variable speed pump looks to be my next upgrade😀

@JessieKlein

Ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve We're about to semi inground an 18' x 40' x 54" extruded aluminum pool. I'm hoping this pump will work for us. What do you say?

What would you recommend for a 30,000 gallon pool?

I have two 2.70 THP Tristar VS 950 pumps. One is connected to a main drain only and supplies water to the tanning ledge located above the pool and waterfalls into the main pool. The other is connected to a second main drain and two skimmers. Long story short, my pool contractor is a conman who used pictures of our unfinished pool to scam money from others and is now on the run... I knew nothing about pools and now I know enough to have an idea about what I dunno. I love your channel because it is the most informative. I have no idea why dude put a variable speed pump for the tanning ledge because we only run it full throttle or not at all. It is not connected to a filter or anything. I have a hard time keeping the pressure down on the main pump because it goes through a heater, a sacrificial node, a chlorinator and a prozone (that I don't think is properly installed). Once the filter gets just a tiny bit dirty, the pump no longer primes fully. I could write pages of other things wrong, but this is my current main concern.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you should bring in a local pool specialist to evaluate your system to see if efficiency improvements or changes can be made. There could be safety issues here. In fact, I would be surprised if the flow rates and water velocity are not over the maximum values they should be. Sorry to hear of your situation. This industry is known for stuff like this due to lack of regulation and trade certification, and for the fact that pools are vastly more complex and technically challenging that most people think. Even people who think they would like to build and sell pools...they often lack the requisite training or technical aptitude for this highly specialized work.

@generessler6282

Жыл бұрын

Hi. In the U.S. manufacturers aren't even allowed to build single-speed pumps or motors any more in the name of energy conservation. Maybe it's that? I've wondered about this topic, too. My pool uses a second, very old single speed pump for the spa jets. It runs maybe 20 hours a year. A VSP wouldn't make any sense. Yet looks like I'll need to replace it with one when the time comes :-/

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

@generessler6282 actually they are allowed to make single speed pumps for booster pump applications, just not for filtration pump applications. Plus all existing stock is still allowed to be sold. Technically VS is not required, but an efficiency standard of which mostly only VS pumps can meet is the requirement for dedicated filtration pumps. So in theory they could have had a single speed pump for a dedicated water feature like this.

We have this pump. it was installed during a re-plaster of our pool a couple of years ago. We have had an issue with the top of the basket lid not sealing 100% and allowing slight air leakage into the assembly. Does not appear to be dramatically effecting the performance however when the pump speed is slowed after priming air leaks into the chamber. Tried cleaning ring and using ring grease with no resolve. Any suggestions?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

I would be looking for any deformity, damage, crack, flattened o-ring...something. also, it could be in front of the pump and not the pump or the lid itself, unless you have some reason to know it's the pump lid. A suction side pipe leak would manifest similar to this. Double check the suction side union gasket. I would also conduct a bucket test, 24 hours with the pump running and 24 hours with it off. The answer from this will tell you a lot. Is the pool leaking? Does the rate of water loss.change with the pump on/off. If leak is confirmed, a pressure test of the suction line is next to confirm or eliminate this as the leak source, and potentially the cause of air visible through the pump lid.

@knowyourjoe8826

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Thanks! I will check it out. One more thing please. Is there a way to winterize the pool so we don't have to run it during the winter and not worry about it freezing/breaking the pool or the pump? What would be the basic procedure to do this? Thanks.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

​@knowyourjoe8826 yes winterizing pools is common in cold climate areas. Here is a long form discussion on the step by step winterizing process www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/pool-winterization-vlog.html

@knowyourjoe8826

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve THANK YOU!!!

thanks for the video. there are a ton of reviews online with a common issue. most of them are complaining about the mother board going bad after one year. i’m curious what you know about that. please address

@Swimmingpoolsteve

3 ай бұрын

Having worked in national sales for pool equipment manufacturers before I have learned that the anecdotal evidence you read online is not an indication of systemic problems with a particular product line. Pumps and heaters will often fail very early due to poor installation practices. People also disproportionately complain about the most popular products...as in if you sell more pumps than other manufacturers then you will also find statistically more incidence of complaints online simply due to the number of units out there in the market. So I am aware of the complaints, but a lot of this is left over from the initial product line, the ecostar, back in 2010 or 2012 or whenever the ecostar came to the market.

In 2017, my pool builder built our pool with the TriStar 950. In 2023, this review is for the 900. Is this a newer version of the 950 or something completely different? (Confused on the numbering)

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

The 950 is the larger pump. The 900 is the smaller one. Not newer and older. Bigger (2.7hp) and smaller (1.85hp)

I am getting this pump to replace a Pentair 3HP intelliflo

Pentair 3 hp vsp Pentair 3hp vsp Best Pump Super Efficient & Quiet AND RELIABLE !

@ernesttorres4059

5 ай бұрын

Much better than Hayward. Hayward pumps crack at the housing and the drive shorts.

So with 1.5 in pipe 38 gal is max flow but all of your other videos with 24 hour pump schedules are well over that, I'm just a tad confused. Is discharge flow more than suction flow at the same RPM's?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

38 gpm is max LAMINAR flow rate. Not maximum flow rate. 38 gpm is the max EFFICIENCT flow of water in 1.5" pipes. Ypu can move 80 or more gpm. But not efficiently

What is the average cost for this pump? I have a 30 foot above ground pool and I am definitely planning on getting a variable speed pump for energy savings. It is to be installed in two weeks or so so I have time to get these ideal pump for energy savings

@JessieKlein

Ай бұрын

Did you buy this pump? If so, how's it working for you? We're about to semi inground an 18' x 40' extruded aluminum pool. I'm hoping this pump will work for us.

Hayward's "Sell Sheet" for the W3SP3202VSP indicates that it supports both 115 and 230. The "SP3202VSP" (no W3) does not seem to mention 115 anywhere I could find. The W3 prefixed model claims that it runs more efficiently at 115V (WEF 12.9 vs 8.6 for 230V). If WEF is an accurate metric for efficiency, wouldn't you get even better results running off of 115V?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

WEF is effective, but does not take into account that larger motors will have a lower WEF since the nigh end operation consumes so much power. What this is actually highlighting is the importance of pump sizing, where "bigger is better" is definitely not the case. You want the smallest pump motor which can adequately provide the flow you need. If you compared GPM to GPM with 115 vs 230v the higher voltage would consume less power due to lower current the conductors, but this would be a minor difference. The large discrepancy in WEF between 115v and 230v is simply because the 230v has more power available at the top end. As for which models have which voltage, I do believe that you are correct in the newer version being dual voltage compatable. Any product Hayward sells online has the W3 prefix on the serial number

@David.Murdoch

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve Thanks for the insight here! Makes sense now. I don't feel like WEF was the best metric for measuring efficiency, but at least its something? haha.

Hey Steve I’m a pool Steve too. Where are you located? Your in my opinion the best pool content creator on you tube right now. I’m attempting to create videos on my channel as well. TheSTEVEGIANTS

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am located in Ontario Canada. Good luck with your channel!

@STEVEGOTITPOOL

Жыл бұрын

We are Juliano’s Pools from CONNECTICUT

Steve, I'm just seeing this now and i think I'm going to order a tristar VS900 from Doheny's to replace a 1hp hayward superpump single speed. I have a question and I wonder if you would opine. Vinyl liner, inground, 20x40 rectangle with a close to 9 ft deep end calculating out to just under 40,000 gallons. Salt system running a DIG 220 and PPC4 cell (second season). I'm on my second season with a h400 FDN ASME heater. This is the supposed commercial spec with the bronze manifold. Sand filter. On the suction side there's two strainers with one and a half inch flex PVC underground for each and a floor drain which is also 1 and 1/2 in PVC. So three suction side lines at 1 and 1/2 in each. On the return side there's two jets, one and a half inches each. The TLDR version is that I'm considering a higher output pump to increase flow through the heater and hopefully get the output temps down to avoid tripping a limit open "LO" error. Last year I replumbed some of the pool pad and upsized the local plumbing at the pad to 2-in, for example between the pump and heater although admittedly it probably doesn't make much difference since the Lions share is one and a half inch. The pool is probably 30 ft from the pool pad and completely coplanar, not elevated or sunken relative to the pool. I plumbed in a combination check valve/flow meter (2" flovis) last year and it's showing me almost right at 50 gallons per minute flow with a clean backwashed sand filter and having cleaned out the screen in the DIG 220 salt cell loop. If I put the inch and a half Hayward multi-port valve on recirculate, it bumps the output to around 58 gallons per minute, cutting out the sand filter. So we had this situation with the heater where it seemed to be overheating the high temperature limit switch. With the pump pushing through the sand filter, again just under 50 GPM, the heater would fire up and run for maybe a couple of minutes and then cut out abruptly with the limit open error. If I put it on recirculate and run it, it would take more like 15 or 20 minutes to trip out with the limit open error code. Working my way through the limit string switches, it appears that the high temperature limit on the output side of the bronze manifold is losing continuity when the output temperature of the water is reading about 101° f on the DIG 220. I think this probably is a good approximation of the output temperature since the DIG 220 temperature probe is only about 4 ft of PVC away from the output flange of the h400 FDN ASME. The high limit temperature switch supposedly isn't supposed to go off until 135° f. I'll be putting in a new high limit switch today and I hope that that rectifies the situation, but if it does not, the issue would then seem to be that I need to increase flow through the heater core. Supposedly the minimum flow rate for the unit is spec at 30 GPM , so I would theoretically have plenty of reserve but I'm thinking if I could push my gallons per minute from around 50 with the sand filter in line up to perhaps 70, this would likely cool the high limit switch enough so that it doesn't cut out. The other problem is certainly that the high limit temperature switch may have just been bad. I have it bypassed with an auto fuse currently and the heater seems to be running great, heating up to temp, not cutting out anymore but also I haven't noticed any damage or fire, lol. I guess I'm wondering if you've ever seen this sort of problem? Hopefully the high temperature limit switch replacement just fixes this and it turns out it was a bad unit. However if it continues this way, maybe the heater core needs more flow? Sorry to be talking in circles. I guess if it runs perfectly with the new high temperature limit switch then my question is answered but otherwise I'll need to look at a higher output pump and I'm basically wondering if this pump could be counted on to provide perhaps 30 GPM over a single speed one horsepower Hayward super pump? Thank you so much for your time if you stayed with me here lol. Your channel is amazing

@Swimmingpoolsteve

2 ай бұрын

I do not think you can or should go with a larger pump. Your pipes are not meant for this. You should replumb everything from the suction manifold. Change to 2" pipes where the suction lines meet in front of the pump. This will vastly improve flow. If you made an efficiency change, switch the sand filter for a vastly superior cartridge filter. As for the heater, there is a problem with it. If you are delivering 50 gpm the problem is not enough gpm. As you indicate 30 to 35 should be enough. So the problem is not the flow. I think the Tristar900 is probably the largest you shoudl consider. NOTE the main drain, if there is one and a dedicated suction line, requires renovation. This is not safe and no longer allowed. You need dual main drains, plus other provisions. WIthout renovating the actual main drain to be cide compliant then you should look into an SVRS pump or an external SVRS vacuum release device like from "Vac Alert" - this is an entrapment hazard to have a (single set) main drain with an active suction line.

@jdr03272

2 ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve I appreciate the thoughtful response. There is a dedicated suction line for the floor drain. There's balancing valves on the return manifold so I usually leave the main drain open along with both skimmers but you could conceivably channel all of the return through the main drain and I see what you mean would be dangerous. There's a wide great cover over the main drain that looks like it's to distribute suction and the actual 1 and 1/2-in pipe is several inches below this grate which is screwed on. But your point is well taken. Certainly long hair could get trapped in there which would be terrible. Unfortunately a ground up renovation / demolition of the pool is not an option but I'll keep a close eye on the balancing valves to keep everything open. Maybe pull the handles so nobody changes them or otherwise see if jandy makes a lock out to keep them all open. The heater thing just doesn't make sense. My new 135°F high limit heat switch came in today. I only changed the one on the top of the manifold which is the one that if I jump it out the thing runs perfect. Apparently there's a second one in line on the bottom of the manifold which is not tripping. Unfortunately the unit still trips limit open with the new switch so perhaps it actually is if the limits of overheating? Not sure what else to do other than increase flow. I think if I boosted 15% from where I'm at that would probably keep the high temp limit switch cool enough. Another thought might be if the internal bypass is compromised somehow. Allowing too much flow through the bypass and not through the heat exchanger. Unfortunately the ASME model isn't serviceable in this regard whereas the standard h400 FDN apparently has a bypass cartridge that you can swap out. Honestly it's conceivable that when I replumbed it last year some shavings made it in there but seems a stretch that that would somehow result in more water being pushed through the bypass instead of the exchanger? Are you familiar with this heater or have you ever run into this scenario? My local Hayward heater HVAC is stumped other than just getting a bigger pump and driving more flow

Is the GPM flow fixed, relative to the pump RPM? Trying to design a 24 hr plan for my 1.85 hp Tristar but on an 8320 gallon pool with heater/chiller and salt system.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

4 ай бұрын

GPM is relative and not fixed for a few reasons. First, every pool is different. So actual GPM on my pool and your pool for a set RPM will be totally different. Bit even within your own system you will have variance. As your filter gets dirty your GPM flow rate will reduce with the increasing system pressures.

This pump with the haywatd omni salt system

My contractor suggests a Hayward 0.75 horsepower pump. Would you recommend the pump in this video over the 0.75hp single speed hayward? Pool is 14 x 28 with 2 bubblers and a 36 inch shear descent, 3 foot to 6 foot deep

@Swimmingpoolsteve

10 ай бұрын

No modern day pool should be using a single speed pump for filtration.

@hccparamedic1985

10 ай бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you sir

Disclaimer: I'm a pool pump noob just trying to learn. You say that 6 FPS = Max Laminar flow, but I don't think that's true. Flow is "laminar" if it has a Reynolds number below 2000; at 6 feet per second in a 2.5 inch diameter pipe I think the Reynolds number would be about 150000. Calculation: (995 kg/m³ [density of water at 90°F] * 0.0635 meters/second [6 fps] * 1.8288 meters [2.5 inch pipe] / 0.000761 N-s/m² (dynamic viscosity of water at 90°F).

I am getting a 16x32 rectangle inground vinyl pool is this pump too much. I am not getting any water features just a regular pool with salt system. If it's too much what do you recommend.

@JessieKlein

Ай бұрын

Did you buy this pump? If so, how's it working for you?

Is there much of difference between the 3202 and 3200 model? I got the 3202VSPND model when I was expecting the 3200VSP model. Are they both the Tristar 900?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

5 ай бұрын

The 3200 is well discontinued by now. The 3202 is the tristar 900 motor (1.85) but ypu have the ND model which means no display. This ND pump is intended to be controlled via automation and not direct interface with the pump.

@MM-gz9gw

5 ай бұрын

Sorry, I meant the SP32900VSP model. Is there a difference between that and the SP3202VSP besides the view screen.

Is this good for a 18 x 36 inground rectangular pool?

@JessieKlein

Ай бұрын

Did you buy this pump? If so, how's it working for you? We're about to semi inground an 18' x 40' extruded aluminum pool. I'm hoping this pump will work for us.

I see the Hayward Trisrar Vs 950 is available for $2000. I cannot find the Vs 900. Is it the same pump?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

2 ай бұрын

Same pump different sized motor. 900 is 1.85hp and 950 is 2.7hp

Seems I can buy more powerful pumps online without issues in regards to safety. Isn't going too large on a pump the same safety risk?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

3 ай бұрын

Yes, too large of a pump for a pool system would be a safety concern.

How do you rotate the control read out?

@JessieKlein

Ай бұрын

Check your manual.

@ram12u2

Ай бұрын

I did it it was two screws and lift off and rotate and replace Screws really easy

I have 1.5 single line is this too large?

why do you need CPVC when the plumbing is water cooled?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Ай бұрын

Pumps can generate a lot of heat and the connections points with FPT connections have always been a leak point with pumps. A made to fit CPVC unions solves the problem entirely.

can folks comment on what prices they're seeing for this thing?

How do you keep 30lbs of pressure on the filter if you cut the rpm on the pump the math does not work ?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

4 ай бұрын

The filter pressure reduces with the rpm reducing. Which is a good thing. The filter pressure could also be called a system inefficiency meter. Lower is better. So low rpm with slower flow has way less inefficiency and resistance to flow

Where can I buy this pump

@Swimmingpoolsteve

6 ай бұрын

Your local pool store will have them. It is the Tristar VS 900

What's the lowest gpm I can run with 1.5"pipe?

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

Zero. There is no minimum. Realistically the lower end operation for VS pumps require long hours at low speeds which result in about 20 gpm of realized flow.

@corysimpson4628

Жыл бұрын

@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you. I have a single speed pump 1.5 hp now and it does about 33 gpm. Wasn't sure if the pentair superflo would pump better gpm.

For $3,000 It better cook me dinner.

$1500.00 ??? Pass.

@Swimmingpoolsteve

Жыл бұрын

In reality, with inground pools being 75k to 250k in price, and with the pump being the "heart" of your filtration system, a quality pump like this is well worth this price tag. But, more importantly, when used properly will return on your investment multiple-mold the initial purchase price of the pump. As with most energy saving upgrades they are a cost investment which returns over time greater than your input value.

Junk do not buy this pump. Pentair is way better product and nakes better quality pumps.

I SPENT $1000 FOR THIS PUMP. I HAD IT FOR 3 YEARS UNTIL THE DRIVE FAILED. $900 FOR A NEW DRIVE. I WOULD SUGGEST TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS PUMP.