07 Eat When Hungry: Journey Into Food and Fires with Dr. Doug Lisle and Dr. Tania Lyon (

Journey into Food and Fires:
Learning to Avoid Garbage Fires In a Corrupt Food Environment
Eat When Hungry, Episode 7 with Dr. Doug Lisle and Dr. Tania Lyon
Dr. Lisle and I dig deeper into hunger and the complex processes I went through to understand my hunger drive and to make lifestyle changes in myself to center health and lose half my weight. In doing so, I moved from fueling myself with the explosive garbage fires of the modern food environment to the slow-burning fires of satiation when I am at my best. As always, Dr. Lisle frames these ideas with powerful science and deep wisdom in our conversation.
Processes are important in self-discoveries, and there can be important variations to understand about our individual hunger drives. To that end, I focus heavily on sharing my own processes and my individual learning which may be different from others. Dr. Lisle and I share these ideas to explore what it means to find the power to succeed in a world designed for failure, around a problem humans were not designed to solve. Yet, we can solve this in ourselves in a challenging and worthwhile journey.
Understanding food reactivity as a dimension of my hunger drive helps me succeed. My personal reactions to foods spark explosive garbage fires in me -- leading me to go on the prowl for the richest foods in my environment. In my case, salt, oil, sugar, and spices serve as potent kindlings that throw gasoline on the fire that I build with the foods that either regulate or dysregulate my hunger drive.
Success required that I understand the cause-effect relationships of foods and all-or-nothing thinking in myself, which I found in the literature on perfectionism. All-or-nothing thinking pervades human experiences in an idea that Dr. Lisle has aptly termed the Ego Trap. In chatting with others, I hear many variations of how all-or-nothing thinking defines many of our experiences around health, wellness, and weight loss.
This episode is an individual journey into the science and how it plays out in one body and mind. More broadly, all of us make our own individual journeys, and there are significant differences that can impact our successes and failures, even within the plant-based world. Finding our power from the inside out is a theme that Dr. Lisle and I have for others as they navigate their own pathways in the course of life - a course that tests all of us around our own human fallibility.
My goal in Eat When Hungry is to provide clear ideas for consideration without reducing anything to quick fixes or easy answers. In many ways, the topics covered here are ongoing active processes that I continue to use to make and sustain change in myself.
Stay tuned for the next episode of Eat When Hungry. In the meantime, you can learn more about me on my website and social media. I post videos regularly. Follow along on Facebook and Instagram to learn more about my adventures and challenges in maintaining this lifestyle.
A bit more about Dr. Lisle: he is a clinical psychologist and founded Esteem Dynamics where he works with Dr. Jen Howk, and the two of them are writing a book. Dr. Lisle is a regular guest on Chef AJ and shares his wisdom in myriad ways with others.
In our Eat When Hungry series, Dr. Lisle brings this professional expertise in working with these issues as a clinical psychologist for 40 years while I bring my personal experiences and educational background. The result is a rich tapestry of ideas that simultaneously tell stories and provide considerations and possible insights for other self-improvement journeys.
Tania Lyon, Ed.D.
Transformshadows.com
This video is not intended to take the place of medical advice. Consult your doctor before making changes in your own health, wellness, and weight loss journey.
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  • @nelsonv741
    @nelsonv741Ай бұрын

    Always makes my day when I see a brand new video with you and Dr. Lisle arrive in my queue! Ever insightful and interesting. I love that term "Talking Lab Rat"! I definitely can personally relate to the term as I am a long time advocate of the WFPB way of eating and also permanently lost a bunch of weight. I enjoyed this and all 6 previous videos and they all bring much light to the simple and not so simple facets of losing then maintaining a healthy weight in a society and of such easy availability of hyper palatable "foods". Many years ago I was overdoing alcohol and cigarettes and the only way that I was able to fix either was to permanently stop consuming both. Both were challenging to stop, but the nice thing is that one can fully stop both and get by. I put on way too much weight and well gee, you just can't stop eating! I tried all those crazy diets and none of them worked. Knowing nothing about nutrition 15 years ago, and over 300 pounds I started dropping Fried foods, Sodas, Red Meat, Fish, Fast Foods in general and by the time I found such people as Drs. McDougall, Barnard, Greger and Doug Lisle too, I had accidentally found my way to a Vegan diet. I read many books and saw many videos, lost about 20 pounds a year and at now at 71, I stay at about 190 pounds which is fine for a 6 foot male. I am VERY careful to stick with WFPB items and though I am often tempted to eat those ultra processed foods, (They Are Everywhere!). I am holding steady. I too have to negotiate the minefields unhealthy foods that I am constantly barraged with. I remind myself that nothing tastes as good as good health feels. My high blood pressure and cholesterol, diabetes, are all long gone from my life and will NEVER go back! It can be done! Try to see all the previous videos in the series as it's really good stuff!

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    I love the lab rat reference, too, and I am happy to be one; I think the "affectionately" comment may help people that I know accept such a reference for what it is -- a great opportunity for learning. The wisdom in your comments here has already and will continue to help people. :) I first tried a vegan diet in my 20s, but I had no understanding how to make it work for me, and I just have to give myself grace for that and for decades of not being the person I wanted to be around food. Constant negotiation of landmines and constant vigilance are certainly part of my journey, and it helps that the end result is so fantastic. For me, the description that works best is a "sensuality of wellness" because the good feelings are so pervasive in every aspect of my life, and I want that feeling as much as I can get it now -- although I have not yet been able to sustain it when I travel or get out of my rhythm. Thank you again for such layered and wise comments to help us all in this constant ongoing process!

  • @aubreyaguilar7014
    @aubreyaguilar7014Ай бұрын

    I took so many notes! These episodes are giving so much hope to my journey! This episode was full of great gems of insight! Thank you both.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    I love to hear this -- hope is important! Hope goes with every change I have made, and this is wonderful to know. Thank you for sharing -- cheers to you and to hope!

  • @melissaalexandria01
    @melissaalexandria01Ай бұрын

    This is a fantastic interview. Thank you. I could listen to you both speak on this topic for 3+ hours. I’ve listened to many of Dr Lisle’s presentations, and I haven’t heard a few of these specific topics discussed. The agitation, the spices, etc. Thank you again. Looking forward to more.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this reaction; it means a lot to know this. There are so many layers to this problem worthy of exploration since food is at the center of our survival, and we are surrounded by corrupt foods everywhere. (I love this term "corrupt" from Dr. Lisle, and I have been using it a lot since this episode. :) Thank you again for the uplifting comments.!

  • @jcsmith7898

    @jcsmith7898

    Ай бұрын

    This point on spices is so interesting and important!

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    @@jcsmith7898 Thank you for sharing -- it's helpful to hear!

  • @noramaddock4165
    @noramaddock4165Ай бұрын

    This was a very valuable talk. I really enjoy your videos! A few things stuck out to me that leave me with further questions. 1) When we eat primarily vegetables, fruits, and wet starches and live an unprocessed, SOS free lifestyle, the reality is that we need to eat much more than 3-5 lbs per day to simply get enough calories. Many people who eat in this low-calorie dense way eat 7-10lb of food per day in the form of raw and steamed veggies, fruit, steamed potatoes etc. Once you adjust to this way of eating, your body does eventually “force” you to consume more pounds of food per day to get enough calories in. I don’t really hear Doug Lisle talk about this. 2) When you say you eat when hungry, do you eat at set mealtimes? Are you eating when your stomach growls? Are you eating anytime you want food (provided we are talking about plain steamed veggies, salad, unadulterated wet starches etc.)? Do you differentiate between a desire for food (again, assuming it is whole/healthy/low calorie dense etc.) vs. a physical symptom like a growling belly to decide if you should allow yourself to eat? 3) If I’m understanding correctly, it seems Dr. Lisle is referring to any desire to eat (ie. Wanting to eat), as “hunger”. And he claims that we can trust that drive and just eat whenever we want to, and eat until we don’t want any more food, as long as we are eating foods that, for us, are non-addictive and are in line with our natural history. Does that mean we can’t overeat, in the long term, on wet starches and vegetables?

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Such great comments and questions! Thank you for sharing them. Since I can only speak in regards to my own hunger drive, I get a specific feeling now that signals when I am hungry, and I try to follow that. My schedule feels complex most days, and I do schedule meals around the demands of that. While my stomach makes noises sometimes, I no longer have it growl the way it used to on the standard American diet. There is a deeply peaceful balance that I feel when I have an optimal balance for myself -- the pillars for me are leafy greens, beans, and wet starches, but fruit and a few nuts and seeds play a role in that as well. My hunger drive seems to include and fall outside of the "rules" of many programs. Several programs helped me find balances, but I found my true power in feeling the cause-effect relationships from the inside out and learning the same patterns of myself over and over again.

  • @veganseatyummyfoodtoo
    @veganseatyummyfoodtooАй бұрын

    I could listen to you two all day! Another fantastic video. Thank you! So interesting that you notice spices make a difference. I have recently started to wonder about certain spices making me eat/want more - now I need to monitor to see if that's the cause of some of my bloating. Something to keep an eye on. Definitely agree that slightly processed whole foods don't have the same hold over us like processed food, but can still be addicting to want to eat and eat more than we would of the whole food in it's natural state.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you for sharing! That is really an interesting observation on your end as well. Once I learned what to watch for in my agitation, that made a big difference in my success. Plain foods give more peace every single time. Discovering the patterns of specific foods, agitation, and peace has helped me immeasurably! Cheers!

  • @Yachtblackgold
    @YachtblackgoldАй бұрын

    7:15 ....AMEN! So happy to know this same relief! All thanks to this wonderful guy! Your story speaks to me as a fellow perfectionist and your details are so helpful to hear. I now better understand the depth of your wanting to share the tricks you had to uncover in this insidious modern dilemma! Thank you :)

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    This is great to know and great for other people to read who may be interested, in-process, or struggle. As you know, there can be so many mental and physical turns to figuring this out at an individual level -- even if the science is loud and clear! And, truly, this is an insidious modern dilemma. Thank you for sharing -- this helps others in their own journeys. :)

  • @jenniferpaul5506
    @jenniferpaul550619 күн бұрын

    I love these videos. I am not sure if you have heard of histamine intolerance, but you should check out Dr. Will Bulsiewicz’s Fiber Fueled Cookbook there is a list of the foods that can cause trouble for those who have it. You might have some interest in this issue. The number one symptom is bloating.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    19 күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this. I have heard of it, and I have read Fiber Fueled; it is a book that has helped me a great deal. I looked into the issue for awhile and tried a couple of things. Then, I went back to what works for me. I am curious to look at it again; thank you for bringing that up!

  • @tinahansen6377
    @tinahansen6377Ай бұрын

    How does one do all this and still be social? Many times friends want to go out for drinks and dinner. How often do o need to say no? Then I feel left out or weird.

  • @annam9741

    @annam9741

    Ай бұрын

    That's the unfortunate web we live in -so much socializing surrounding food and drink. Eat before you go to help avoid temptation and check the menus online to be prepared. The other option is to find another activity or hobby for socialization other than dining out as entertainment.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    I also find it helpful to explain why I eat the way I do. I talk about how I just cannot have the food because it wreaks havoc on my whole body. I sometimes have extra wet starches and beans before I go, so I make sure I am satiated. I sometimes bring my flavored vinegar to add to a salad, which I like but don't typically have at home. Truly, getting off track has also helped me learn. I fell off for 11 years after going out to eat and having French fries. That is something I don't want for myself again, so I am extra cautious about repeating the same mistake. I enjoy my time out much more fully now that I am not in the throes of food addiction and no regrets the next day also feels very good. The people I know and love have been very understanding, especially after I explained how potent these foods and drinks are for me. Taking it one step at a time can also really help. Cheers to you!

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Superb advice! Thank you for sharing! Cheers!

  • @tamarahubbard412
    @tamarahubbard412Ай бұрын

    So sorry but i would have loved to hear Dr Lisle speak more. He couldn’t get a word in. Had to turn off too wordy and couldn’t follow.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for stopping by and leaving feedback!

  • @tdw64
    @tdw64Ай бұрын

    It sure doesn’t seem to me that God made eating so complex.

  • @transformshadows4062

    @transformshadows4062

    Ай бұрын

    Finding my hunger drive in the modern food environment was complex. My solution is eating simple foods found in nature and getting away from altered and processed foods.I appreciate your comment!