Mark has a new book on Jan Berry coming out this month. I can't wait to read it. I love Jan & Dean as much as I do The Beach Boys.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

3 жыл бұрын

I've got my "pre-order" in and am looking forward to it too! (I'm also hoping to finally get a "Jan & Dean Part 2" episode done sometime this fall!) Thanks for the comments, Michael! Hope you'll let me know what you think of the book!

Very cool video, every time I think I know all there is about The Beach Boys I just keep learning new stuff! I knew Brian cowrote Surf City with them but I didn’t realize he had cowrote all those other songs that you talked about. I’m also a big Jan and Dean fan and it was cool to find out that the song Linda was about Linda McCartney, learn something new every day! I’m new to your channel so looking forward to catching up with the rest of your videos to learn some more info.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments, Drummer! Part of the fun of this channel for me is the chance to do a "deep dive" on Beach Boys and related trivia. I keep discovering cool stuff I never knew through researching the videos and, especially, from comments. Thanks again and looking forward to hearing more from you!

I remember hearing the history about Surf City back in the 70s, and not only was Murry and the boys upset with Brian for giving away what turned out to be a #1 hit, but that's Brian's succinct soaring falsetto as well. To my trained musical ear, it immediately seemed to be Brian, but I read recently in another comment that it was Glen Campbell singing that falsetto, as he was part of the famous Wrecking Crew then, used by Jan and Dean also, and would go on to fill in for Brian on the road singing those falsettos a few years later. Does the Jan and Dean book you shared cover this for Surf City? Thanks!! And your site is fantastic!

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comments and info, and for raising a very interesting question! Mark A Moore' "Jan & Dean Record" acknowledges that the vocalists on "Surf City" have been debated for years. He concludes that Jan and Brian doubled the lead vocal and that Brian sang some falsetto in the harmonies, along with the vocal group The Matadors. There's a question as to whether Dean is anywhere on "Surf City." Moore's book offers quotes from Dean in 1977 and 1989 saying he isn't on the record at all and, then, a quote from Dean on his website saying he and Brian sang the falsetto together. So, it seems, Dean isn't even sure. (Moore points out that Dean often wasn't around in the studio so Jan would use other vocalists for the falsettos, including Brian.) Thanks again for raising the question, ms! Very interesting stuff!

This was a pretty good video, except that "Jan & Dean's Golden Hits" were NOT their first album. That was their first album on the Liberty Records label, and came out in 1962. However, their actual debut album came out in 1960 and was released in Doré Records. It was a self-titled LP simply called "Jan & Dean" and is now often referred to as "Jan & Dean's 1960 Debut Album" or "Jan & Dean on Doré Records". It is my favorite J&D album! I think it was a much better album than "Golden Hits" because it not only contained their hit "Baby Talk", but also several other songs that came out as singles or b-sides. (A reissue done in the 90's also contained a few extra singles, not on the original album). The album was a really good overview of Jan & Dean's early days on Doré. The "Golden Hits" album was mainly made up of cover recordings that were done specifically as filler material for that album, and much of their early material was left out.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and for the clarification, Derek! I know the Dore album and have a copy of it. I always thought it was a compilation of early stuff that was put together later. I'll enjoy it more now, knowing it was the actual "first" Jan and Dean album. Thanks for the comments! I love finding out more about this stuff!

@JukeboxBalowski

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 You're welcome! I'm a HUGE Jan & Dean fan! They are my favorite recording stars of all time! Travelled 8 hours to see them in concert one time, back in the 90's.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

4 жыл бұрын

@@JukeboxBalowski That's very cool! From your comments, I could see you're very well-versed on the subject. I've always enjoyed them. I never had an opportunity to see them "live." I'm envious...despite the long drive!

Golden Hits was NOT the first Jan& Dean album. Their 1st was called "Jan & Dean" and released on Dore Records. It was produced by Herb Alpert and Lou Adler.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right! I had always thought the Dore album was a later collection of single sides until another viewer pointed it out. (I talk about the error in "027 Cool Stuff I Found Out Part 1.") Thanks for catching that! I'm planning to finally do a "Jan & Dean Part 2" episode soon. Hope to avoid any more gaffs and please let me know what you think! Thanks, Ben!

@bengivens2584

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Dore album was pretty much a collection singles with "Baby Talk" being the most successful. It's "B" side was "Jeanette Get Your Hair Done". Most of these tunes are a doo wop sound. I enjoy them. They were after Jan & Arnie but, predate what you were showing.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

@@bengivens2584 I've moved my copy of the album from the "Jan & Dean compilations" section to the "Jan & Dean original albums" section of my record collection. Thanks, Ben!

Good stuff Steve ! When I was younger I would get tired of the 15 songs that CKLW would play over and over again. I would switch over to the Oldies Station and they would play a lot of Beach Boys and Jan and Dean. I would have sworn those Jan and Dean tracks were the Beach Boys, my twelve year old ears could not tell the difference. Now I am wondering did Jan and Dean have that Beach Boys sound first?

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Matt! I think you're right; The Beach Boys copped some of their sound from Jan and Dean in their earliest work. (Apparently, Jan and Dean thought so too, but seemingly didn't hold it against The Beach Boys.) I had the same experience of getting tired of CKLW's limited playlist. (By the way, CKLW will come up for some discussion in episode 28, "Randy Bachman Meets The Beach Boys.") Thanks for the comments! Hope to hear more!

@michaellandreth1392

Жыл бұрын

yeah when I ever I bring up Jan & Dean and they say what'd they sang ? I'd mention a tune and almost alway's hear "That's my Favorite Beach Boy's song" LOL

Again, great episode. First- nice shirt. Second- I see you working “Flounder” in there, not so subtly, and thinking maybe you’re going to go all Aaron Spelling and start another epic KZread show.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Brian! I'm hoping sales of "Flounder" will take off once again with a little careful "product placement."

Say Steve, I thought the Jan and Dean album on Dore records was their first album.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

10 ай бұрын

Yes. You're right. I had always thought the Dore album was a later collection of singles. The viewers set me straight. (I followed up with a correction in a later episode.) I do appreciate the corrections. My knowledge of this stuff is improving all the time! Thanks for catching it, Mark!

Golden Hits was Not their first album. Their first was on Dore Not Liberty.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

Жыл бұрын

Yes! You're absolutely right! I knew about the Dore album, and actually have a copy. I'd always thought it was a compilation album put together later. I stand corrected! (Others also mentioned it and I did a correction in a later episode.) Thanks for mentioning that, michael! Much appreciated!

@michaellandreth1392

Жыл бұрын

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Yeah they had the Original Dore out. The Sundazed put a reissue out in the 90's As they did with Save for a Rainy Day.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

Жыл бұрын

@@michaellandreth1392 Thanks! I love the "Save for a Rainy Day" album, by the way. Great stuff!

Hi Steve. I wonder if you can help me out: Do you know which version of "Vegetables" by Jan & Dean was produced by Brian Wilson and where to find it? I don't think it's the Laughing Gravy Version, but the one released in 1972. I can't seem to find a definitive answer, and it's driving me mad. :,)

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

10 ай бұрын

Good question! I thought it was on the "Jan and Dean Anthology Album" but I just looked and I saw it's listed as recorded in 1968. I asked David Beard of Endless Summer Quarterly. He tells me the "1972 version" (which David says, and I believe he's right, was recorded in late '71) was actually the 1968 version with vocal overdubs from Brian, Marilyn and Diane Rovell and IS the version on the "Jan and Dean Anthology Album" and wasn't actually produced by Brian. He tells me it was also released as a promo-only single in 1972 with a picture sleeve, which he just sent me a photo of. (It's similar to the "Jan and Dean Anthology Album" cover art.) Thanks for asking a great question! It allowed me to learn something I didn't realize I never knew!

@DaisyIsKing

10 ай бұрын

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Thank you soooo much, I really apprecriate it. Send my thanks to David, also. You two made my day. :)

Wha?? Linda McCartney connected to a Jan & Dean track. "Hey Martha!"

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty loose connection admittedly...but, yeah. Thanks for the comments, Jeff!

i highly suggest reading the back cover of Jan & Dean Golden Hits 2 looks like they let the guys write their own notes describing their career, it's nonsensical and reflects their odd sense of humor. it hurt my brain to read it but it's hilarious

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

6 ай бұрын

I haven't seen that. Sounds great! Thanks for letting me know about it, John. I will definitely check it out. Much appreciated!

I recently saw on an old biography on Jan and Dean (A & E Biography, it's on YT) that Dead Man's Curve was where you first described as outlined on the record on Sunset Blvd. It was an S-curve that was straightened out because of the number of accidents and deaths. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n556y7KYmqfLnZc.htmlsi=jemRwUc0b4KRM3Ku&t=1322

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the info and for the link on this, Alex! I was in L.A. a few weeks ago and did some video for the channel that posted over the last couple of weeks. I wish I had the info and had thought to show the former site of "Dead Man's Curve" when I was there. Next time, I'll include it for sure! Thanks again, Alex!

Jan & Dean and The Beach Boys sorta borrowed from eachother in various ways. But there's no doubt that Jan & Dean and Jan & Arnie came first. They were having hits in the late 50's, several years before anyone knew who the Beach Boys were. In fact, the Beach Boys used to sometimes be the backup band and opening act for Jan & Dean, in the early days. However, it was the Beach Boys who got Jan & Dean into the surfin sound.

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

4 жыл бұрын

Great points! Thanks!

@NWFWrestling

Жыл бұрын

​@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 And to follow up on this subject, I think that Jan Berry himself has never really been given the credit he deserves as the songwriter, producer and arranger that he was. While Phil Specter gets all the credit for use of The Wrecking Crew, it should also be noted that Jan Berry was using many of these same musicians at or around the same time if not earlier than Phil Specter, yet Jan Berry never seems to get any credit for that. And it was Jan who convinced Brian Wilson to start using these same musicians on Beach Boys records rather than using his band members in order to get the best sound. Sidewalk Surfin’ is a song that many people feel Jan just ripped off from a previous Beach Boys hit, when the reality was Catch A Wave was a buried album track on the Surfer Girl LP and was never released as a single, and one could certainly argue the only reason Catch A Wave gets any significant attention at all is due to the hit status of Sidewalk Surfin’, which Jan completely reworked the arrangements on that song, a much improved sound in my opinion. Another interesting Jan & Dean fact , is that The Grass Roots hit single “Where were you when I needed you” released in 1966 was actually a cover of Jan & Dean, who recorded it originally in 1965 on their Folk-n-Roll LP but opted to not release it as a single….

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

Жыл бұрын

@@NWFWrestling Thanks for the excellent points and info on Jan Berry, NWF! I absolutely agree that he was a huge talent and unjustly overlooked today. I'm really happy that, since the time I posted this episode, Mark A. Moore's fantastic Jan Berry biography "Dead Man's Curve" has been published. It's a great book full of information and insights into Berry and his work. I'm SO glad to have a much fuller story of Jan Berry than ever before! Thanks again for the excellent feedback, NWF!

You can chalk up the DMC Lyrics to Wanting to put famous land marks and streets in the song. And the ol "Syllable fits the Song not the Fact fit the Song" Rule of music. LOL

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

Жыл бұрын

Great point, michael! Now that you mention it, I'll bet it was some combination of wanting to name landmarks along Sunset Blvd, getting it all to rhyme and keeping it under three minutes. No wonder they had to omit some miles through Beverly Hills! Thanks, michael!

skipped over the jan and dean sound lp steve

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, Yellowdacrous! Thanks for catching it!

@yellowdacrous8431

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 when will the 2nd jan and dean episode come? If you need any info im here

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

@@yellowdacrous8431 I was just thinking that part 2 is long, long overdue! I'll get back to it sometime early in the year. (I know it'll be fun to put together!) Thanks for the offer of help on the info, Yellowdacrous! I might very well take you up on that!

@yellowdacrous8431

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444Rewatched and heard you mention the jack benny show which you can see at UCLA

@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444

2 жыл бұрын

@@yellowdacrous8431 Very cool! I'd love to see it. I do get out to L.A. once in a while so I might get a chance! Thanks for letting me know, Yellowdacrous!