#01 "A Change of Heart" - Commodore 64 Black Screen Repair

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I started off with what I thought was a junk Commodore 64 to be scavenged for parts, but I had a change of heart after cleaning it up and then brought it back to life with a lucky fix.
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  • @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408
    @officermeowmeowfuzzyface44085 жыл бұрын

    Dishwasher does a great job of cleaning everything and the contacts. I did three at once, they all came out so clean.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I have yet to try that.

  • @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408

    @officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro one nice aspect to using a dishwasher (and a detergent pod) is it washes flux off or converts it to a white/yellow opaque residue. Easy to spot if you missed any, wipes up easy with alcohol again.

  • @JanBeta
    @JanBeta7 жыл бұрын

    Nice job saving this messy C64. And a very nice first video! :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much. A bit uptight feeling, but I'll chalk it up to stage fright. Future videos will be more relaxed. :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. This video comes across a bit too stuffy (the stage fright thing) -- my real personality is a lot less so, or so I believe. :/ Yeah, for sure, pick up a used C64 for Tinker Time Electronics. I find a lot on Craigslist and Kijiji.

  • @seansretroverse9082

    @seansretroverse9082

    7 жыл бұрын

    You find C64s on Craigslist? I wish my CL had interesting stuff like that! Honestly though, I just don't check CL frequently enough to find the good stuff!

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Actually, I try to be a little more proactive and post ads looking for people that might have any Commodore gear that they don't want anymore. It's amazing what people are giving away; a lot of C= stuff they would otherwise throw away. Go for it -- post an ad on CL -- for example, goo.gl/1lYGrJ

  • @PaulTraverse

    @PaulTraverse

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro It was actually your Craigslist ad that brought me here :) Good advertising!

  • @joederr8010
    @joederr80104 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this, love watching old Commodore 64's get the love they deserve.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much, Joe. This was my first video - a bit rough around the edges but fun to do and share. I'm glad you enjoyed it. There's more to come.

  • @joederr8010

    @joederr8010

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro First videos usually are until you find your groove and follow it. I can only imagine my first whenever that may be, #dreaming

  • @thespacemonkeyist
    @thespacemonkeyist5 жыл бұрын

    I remember those black and red clips when I installed a Batteries Included Bus card. The bus card allowed me to hook up an ancient Commodore Pet 3022 Tractor Printer for use with their Paperclip 64 word processor. I did most of my University essays using these Batteries Included products. Dox Matrix 5x7 pixel printing. Useful at the time but a dinosaur today. You can Google "batteries included bus card manual pdf" and I believe you'll see it's a match on page 3 of the manual (pdbuchan dot com). Bus card provided Basic 4 and Disk commands (rarely used it for this). I believe the 3022 was an IEEE device and I used it for this connectivity.

  • @rdh2059
    @rdh2059 Жыл бұрын

    That white stuff was probably white grease pencil, used to mark chips. The problem with this stuff is it melts and gets soft, then runs. That stuff on the bottom looks like it was dried beer or tea. Coffee and coke leave a much darker stain. Regarding cleaning the cassette and user port pins, try Brasso. That stuff works miracles on brass, and adds a molecular corrosion resistant coating.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback, Rick. I appreciate the comments. I've learned a lot since that first video. In fact, Brasso is definitely a staple on the bench now. 😉

  • @RetroRecollections
    @RetroRecollections5 жыл бұрын

    Great restoration and fix, really enjoyed it.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much. I am happy to get feedback that people actually enjoyed these videos.

  • @bbjunkie
    @bbjunkie4 жыл бұрын

    R44 & R45 for a BUSCARD - the two connections made by using clips inside the C-64 are used to obtain the HIMEM and LOMEM control bits from the processor output port. These allow the complete invisbility of ther BusCard by ensuring that the interface ROMs disappear and appear using the same commands as the internal ROMs

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome info. Thanks for sharing here. 👍

  • @borismatesin
    @borismatesin7 жыл бұрын

    I've just started my own journey back to Commodores, 20 years after selling my C64 Aldi - and one of the replacements I bought has a black screen as well! Thanks for the video, it will come in handy.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hi Boris. Welcome back to the Commodore fold, and thanks for your positive feedback. I am very happy to hear that my video might have helped someone in some way. Some C64 black screens are easy to fix (as I lucked out in this case) and other cases can be more challenging, but it is always fixable. I hope you subscribe, as I have more repair videos in the works. Also, be sure to check out the other YT channels listed on my main channel page, including bwack, Jan Beta, GadgetUK164 and iz8dwf -- these gentlemen are a wealth of retro computer repair knowledge and worth watching. Thanks again!

  • @GadgetUK164
    @GadgetUK1647 жыл бұрын

    Great repair! Nice tip on looking for that sync thing on power up.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, sir. Yeah, the sync bump is a great tip -- I have to give credit to iz8dwf for that one; he mentions is in passing in one of his repair videos.

  • @00Skyfox
    @00Skyfox6 жыл бұрын

    It always makes me so happy to see that blue screen of Commodore goodness come up when the power switch is turned on, especially if the board was previously dead. Good job getting that thing cleaned up so well, and getting it up and running. As a suggestion, I'd say to always attempt to fix C64s before designating them as for-parts, because as this video shows, it can be a very simple fix. Only those boards where every attempt to fix it turns up nothing, or there is unrepairable physical damage, should be used for parts. As long as you have the spare parts and the know how for fixing them, it's always worth it. Now, sometimes it's not the board but instead is the case, keyboard, etc. that are damaged beyond repair. In cases like that, the boards can be fixed and put into storage for replacing the motherboard in future C64s that have a good case and keyboard but the board can't be fixed. And as far as the damaged cases and keyboards, those can be saved for salvage, too.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much. In fact, this computer has become my bench worker unit that I use to assist in repairs and tests/experiments. Agreed-I would never actually dismiss a C64 as a salvage unit unless it was completely damaged physically. Sometimes, I will use working ICs from a non-worker if I don't have spare ICs on-hand, but I always circle back to the donor system and use all efforts to repair _it_ . Thanks again for your comments and support.

  • @00Skyfox

    @00Skyfox

    6 жыл бұрын

    Same here. I once bought a lot of 6 C64s that all look like they were salvaged from a flooded dumpster. The cases look awful and the keyboards don't work, but the boards all work. On one of them all the big chips are socketed, so that's my test board for easy chip swapping. It's going to take a lot of work to get them all clean, looking good, and fully working. (The same sale got me a lot of 7 1541 and 1541-II floppy drives that all need the same amount of care.)

  • @cronocyde
    @cronocyde5 жыл бұрын

    That's a really well done video and full of information. Great job man! :-)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much for the positive feedback. I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed the video.

  • @TheMrJamu
    @TheMrJamu7 жыл бұрын

    After fixing about 30 or so c64s I did not know about the power on flash thing. Excellent video and nice channel. Subbed.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Wow. It's an honour. Thanks very much for your feedback and for subscribing. I can't take credit for the power on flash bump thing; I picked that up in passing on one of ix8dwf's C64 repair videos -- regardless, propagation of knowledge is a good thing. I used to be subscribed to your channel, enjoyed your C= repair videos and mods, but just realised I am no longer subscribed -- WHAT?!? I will correct that immediately.

  • @75slaine
    @75slaine5 жыл бұрын

    Haha, nice Aliens reference there. Rewatching your back catalogue

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nice catch. I like to throw in the odd subtle reference for those in the know. 😉

  • @konturgestalter
    @konturgestalter4 жыл бұрын

    please keep up the great work!!

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much.

  • @bwack
    @bwack7 жыл бұрын

    I bet there was a norwegian "hallo" in the blooper section ? :) Great first video. Great lighting also, nice and soft shadows. I get lots of hard shadows in my videos. I like how you troubleshoot and found the most likely cause there. I didn't know about the power on flash on the screen on c64s with black screen symptom indicated that the timing ic was ok. One tip for the contact cleaning. Old worn contact surfaces oxidate fast. Apply contact lubrication and wipe off. The lubrication leaves an oily film keeping the oxygen out. Spray or dab into the cartridge port with a crushed Q-tip. The power ports are a bit harder to reach, but getting the oils in there works magic there too..

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Haha, nice catch, yes, my attempt at basic Norwegian; hopefully I pronounced it correctly. I have two 1m long LED workbench lights overhead. The plan was for even lighting, but there's a lot of reflection from the lights -- a work in progress. Thanks for the tip -- I did actually wipe the user port and cassette ports with WD-40 afterward, but I'll definitely apply it to the cartridge port and power ports as well. Thanks!

  • @Walkera22e
    @Walkera22e7 жыл бұрын

    Really good work and you just got another subscriber :) I'v repaired quite a few C64s and my first order of business when I get a board in an unknown condition is to remove the SID just because I don't want to risk damaging that precious chip when troubleshoting and testing the board.The SID is then tested on a known good board and if it checks out ok it will go back on the board from which it came once that board has passed all the tests.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Thanks for your positive feedback, and thanks very such for subscribing. Yes, you are absolutely correct, it is very good practice to pull the SID when troubleshooting and testing C64 boards, and perhaps the VIC-II as well in some cases. SIDs are definitely on the endangered species list. I will be more diligent with future repairs.

  • @teh60
    @teh606 жыл бұрын

    Great video, I wish that I still had my C64 and C128.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. I am happy to hear you enjoyed the video. There are lots of C64's and C128's for sale on eBay and through local classified (Craigslist, Kijiji, Gumtree, etc.) depending on where you live. You can always get back into it if you want.

  • @drewpaschal9294
    @drewpaschal92944 жыл бұрын

    Would have loved to seen the dead test ran again all g with the loopback harness. Just out of curiosity.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah. Good point. I do have to say that this C64 has been running as my go-to reference C64 for testing ICs from other computers. Be sure to check out video #11 "Zero Insertion Farce" where I add ZIF sockets to this C64 making it easier to use as a chip swap tester, bit.ly/MFR-YT-11. Thanks for watching and for commenting.

  • @Naparovitse
    @Naparovitse7 жыл бұрын

    Olá! :) Great video! I like this kinde of video repairs (commodore Stuff), they are very useful for the comunity! Thanks ;)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Muito obrigado! And thanks for subscribing, as well.

  • @discoHR
    @discoHR7 жыл бұрын

    Nice one. Love the retro repair videos, learned so much from them. Good job nailing the suspect without probing it. BTW, the SID (6581) is also a frequent cause for the black screen. I encountered it more than once.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much. Yes, I neglected to mention the SID as a suspect, but a very good point, thanks. I am trying to come up with a "rapid" troubleshooting process without getting into too much probing if possible. I have all the gear waiting on the sidelines, though, even an old HP current tracer that I picked up recently (haven't mastered it yet).

  • @discoHR

    @discoHR

    7 жыл бұрын

    Which old HP current tracer did you get? I was looking to buy one recently but gave up when I saw the price. (it was about $500) so I got myself a cheap logic probe instead and cheap oscilloscope later. Haven't used the probe much, I prefer the scope.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's an HP 547A (picture, goo.gl/Xcmif0). Yikes, $500 is a price gouge -- way too expensive for that model. I lucked out and found one for under $150 CAD with shipping. I was going to suggest the following videos to you, as well, but I see you already commented on the first one :)... kzread.info/dash/bejne/lp6nu7COfrLRXaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJmm0dlukaqyYNo.html

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    HP 547A Current Tracer on eBay, as 04/04/17... goo.gl/45SuL1

  • @discoHR

    @discoHR

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. Bought it. :D

  • @MaxintRD
    @MaxintRD6 жыл бұрын

    Grubby business, repairing retro home computers... I for sure hope my old ZX81 and Spectrum didn't age like that! Nice video! +1 (That "Hallo" in the blooper reel sounded a bit like my Dutch "Hallo"! Wish I had your clear and gentle pronunciation...)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much. Glad you liked it. Sadly, no Speccy computers on this side of the pond -- well, there were a few Timex Sinclair 1000's (the North American variant of the ZX-81) in the early 80's. The "Hallo" was supposed to be Norwegian -- bonus if it worked for Dutch too! Dank je!

  • @MarxKosmos1024
    @MarxKosmos10247 жыл бұрын

    Great Video! I always seem to learn something new with each C64 resurrection video I watch. I'm currently in the mists of documenting the resurrection of my own C64 I had since I was a teenager. It's been sitting in the box not working for the past 25-30 years! Question: What cleaning supplies and method did you use to remove all the grime, dirt, and lord knows what else was on the mainboard. You said it only took 2 hrs for what would seem like such a tedious task. Impressive!

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much for your kind comments and THANKS FOR SUBSCRIBING! I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video and found it informative. This particular C64 motherboard was really grungy, but in hindsight, I think the slightly greasy filth might have actually protected the board from more severe corrosion. I mostly us isopropyl alcohol (the 98%-99% stuff) and a lot of q-tips to clean PCBs, as this combo will remove most grime and not harm the board. Sometimes I break out the wider electronics foam cleaning swabs (goo.gl/qRzqO1) for wider areas. You don't really need anything fancy. Hopefully, my current and upcoming videos might help you troubleshoot your sick C64. Thanks again.

  • @Zestypanda
    @Zestypanda7 жыл бұрын

    Please do more videos. I really enjoyed the computer videos.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Thanks for your feedback and thanks for subscribing. I am glad you enjoyed the video. I do have a lot of other repair and other projects planned, but I just need to find the time.

  • @off-line
    @off-line7 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. How did you clean the board to make it that clean and shinny?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for commenting. Love your avatar, by the way. I use isopropyl alcohol mostly, along with a lot of q-tip/cotton buds and shop paper towel (those heavy-duty blue ones)...and a lot of patience. Check out my reply below to Hit the Mark, as he had a similar question. Although, I should also mention, for boards that have exposed metal parts I often rub a very light layer of WD-40 on those areas; this will help protect against future corrosion.

  • @RetroGG-74
    @RetroGG-746 жыл бұрын

    My 64 is doing the exact same thing , Test Cart and still black , I'm going to order a CPU and cross my fingers :) ....Thank You so much for your sharing and you have a new sub :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi. I am very glad you found the video to be useful. Thank you for the kind words and for your subscription. A couple of notes: (1) a black screen can be caused by one or several faulty chips on the C64 mainboard; go to personalpages.tds.net/~rcarlsen/cbm/c64/c64-ic.txt and doe a search for the word "blank" (F3 on most browsers) and you will see other chips to look at; (2) make sure your power supply is not outputting more than 5.2V -- that's about the upper limit before C64 ICs become problematic and are susceptible to a shortened lifespan or outright failure; (3) consider getting a C64 over-voltage protection device like bwack's C64 Saver, or the SaV64 -- these devices will save your C64 if the original power supply ever fails and outputs more voltage then it should. I hope this helps. Good luck!

  • @RetroGG-74

    @RetroGG-74

    6 жыл бұрын

    MindFlareRetro I've been through a few things on this , true many things can cause issues as I've read and seen . I have pulled both cia chips the sid chip and all 3 rom chips , I have the flicker when turning on , my floppy drive responds to power , my psu is at 5v .. The cart was my last effort and just received it to have the same as your video showed . I've got a 2nd c64 coming also but want this one working also . I like how you made your video(s) Very informative and not boring as some can be . Thanks for your added info as I'm new to older computers .. Been playing games since 77 yet oddly never owned the computers only consoles :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Very good. It sounds like you are using a sounds troubleshooting approach. Don't forget to check the PLA chip, as well -- it is the the chip to most commonly fail, and can cause a black screen and flickering, as was the problem in my other video, kzread.info/dash/bejne/pHyZj6uuqqi8oaQ.html. The diagnostics cart will help a lot. Keep us posted here on how it goes.

  • @RetroGG-74

    @RetroGG-74

    6 жыл бұрын

    It was the processor :) I just got it in today and swapped and Viola!!! Thank you for your videos sir :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's great news! Congratulations! Thanks for the update. It is nice to hear that my videos are actually helping people.

  • @PaulTraverse
    @PaulTraverse3 жыл бұрын

    Did you ever check the bad CPU to see if it was actually dead? It could of been just the reseating in the socket that made it work?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    3 жыл бұрын

    To be honest, I don't remember testing it on another board. I did pull all the socketed ICs from this board, cleaned the legs and sockets and then reinserted them - the Dead Test Cartridge still would not run. I probably still have this 6510 in my dead chips container - I like to see the dead ones pile up - I will try to find it. Thanks for watching and for commenting.

  • @pauldeane8369
    @pauldeane83696 жыл бұрын

    How did you clean the board? Did you use any special products?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul. thanks for commenting. I used 99% isopropyl alcohol (IPA) with paper towels and Q-Tips (cotton buds) - you don't need any fancy chemicals or tools. Some of the traces were very soiled with some mystery gunk, so I used IPA and an old toothbrush. With those tools, I just worked gently on a small section at a time - it took a while but it cleaned up well.

  • @infinitecanadian
    @infinitecanadian5 жыл бұрын

    How could anyone neglect or orphan a Commodore?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know - tell me about it. This computer was in horrible shape, stored outside in a barn or something to that effect. Anyway, I still use it almost daily. It's now my trusty chip tester machine.

  • @craigberkley7096
    @craigberkley70965 жыл бұрын

    Great Videos! Got a strange thing happening with my C64C. When I play say Archon or use Kipperterm for example, after a reboot the 64 often will render the blue/light blue screen only (no Basic post) or even the yellow/light yellow of Kipperterm. This AM I loaded Centipede, played it for a few minutes and then turned the 64 off. When I turned it back on, Centipede was still playing! Then another off and I got the blue/light blue post without Basic. I then let it sit for a few minutes and we are back to a expected boot i.e. blue/light blue and Basic post. Also I have seen the black screen at boot up but less often. Thoughts?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Craig. Thanks for the positive feedback and for commenting. Hmm, your C64C is presenting some very strange behaviour. A standard blue/light blue screen with no BASIC post can indicate a problem with the BASIC ROM, but it almost sounds more like the system is still getting a trickle of near 5V after being turned off. I assume Centipede is the cartridge version? Do these symptoms occur if you switch _off_ the computer and then physically unplug the power supply plug from the computer, as well? If the issue does not reoccur I would look at the switch itself -- maybe it's poles are not disconnecting completely allowing a trickle of 5V to be supplied. Depending of the switch most can be desoldered and then dismantled allowing you clean the switching mechanism. In fact, @bwack has a great video of how to do that, kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaeh2JZsZ5nPiaQ.html. I would start with this and see how if anything changes...for the better. Are you on Twitter at all? If so, you might consider tweeting this issue (with any pictures) there, as well. There are lots of knowledgeable Twitter people that might be able to help, too. If you de post a tweet, be sure to mention me @MindFlareRetro in any tweets, so I can follow along.

  • @craigberkley7096

    @craigberkley7096

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro Centipede is floppy version. Just loaded Kipperterm, logged into my telnet server and powered down. Got the No Basic post on boot up. Unplugged the power supply, power switch back on and then off. Plugged power back in and powered on, works. Let me look at the power switch later in the day. Not on twitter but a member of the C64/128 FB group. Photos there. Thanks for the recommendations!

  • @craigberkley7096

    @craigberkley7096

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro Just duplicated my steps above, now to no available. Blue/light blue with no Basic post. I have a dead card cartridge coming soon. Will keep you posted.

  • @craigberkley7096

    @craigberkley7096

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro Are you in the repair business? I have the c64c we spoke up and also a c128 that only responds with "break,break,break..." when booted

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@craigberkley7096 May I ask where you are located. Feel free to email me directly at the address on the About page of my channel.

  • @robloxpro2268
    @robloxpro22686 жыл бұрын

    Nice fix, however I would have checked the voltages at least...

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment. Yes, I did check the voltages, but after the fact admittedly. This was my first video so I was more focused on the trash-to-treasure aspect. I am happy to report that this C64 has turned out to be quite faithful. I use it in one way or another almost every day. I hope you found the video and if you are a subscriber, as I do have more Commodore repairs coming soon. Thanks again!

  • @gilbertvera1678
    @gilbertvera1678 Жыл бұрын

    Man love the video. Have a odd error where my screen would show the basic screen but whenever I touch the cable in anyway the screen would go blank and then come on. What would that error be ?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. Exactly, which cable are you touching that causes the screen to go blank? I assume the video just gets interrupted or is the computer actually powering off and on again?

  • @gilbertvera1678

    @gilbertvera1678

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro it is the video cable through the video output. Now when I use the rf option. Nothing I touch it fart on it and it doesn't have a issue. The other I touch the cable accidentally and it loses the video for a second and comes back could the cable itself be bad ? Also on a separate question how safe are the original c64 power supplies? I am getting a new one from Poland that is supposedly the best I can get. But want to know if I should be fine with it. Also wondering if just installing heatsinks will damage the chips plan on trying to improve and keep that thing alive for more years to come :)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@gilbertvera1678 It sounds like a cable issue, for sure. Heatsinks are perfectly fine to put on all the major chips, especially the PLA (U17), CPU and VIC-II chips. Original power supplies ARE NOT GOOD and will eventually damage your C64. You are wise to acquire a new modern one. Did you order the Keelog one? It's a nice design however the 9VAC output runs rather high and can be a problem with some C64 motherboards that do not have their voltage regulators factory heatsinked to the board. The regulators can get very hot and unstable reducing the voltage to the required levels because they cannot dissipate the excess heat. This gentleman addresses the issue in a video, kzread.info/dash/bejne/fphh0bSmgK3LZ9o.html. Perhaps Keelog has addressed the now - I am not sure. I purchased one myself in 2021 and the AC output is very high (13.42 VAC with no load).

  • @seansretroverse9082
    @seansretroverse90827 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, and an excellent start to an excellent KZread channel! You have my subscription! I also have a couple C64s to repair and do videos on myself! I also appreciate your mentioning iz8dwf's channel as well! I will give his channel a watch and sub too!

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Damn, I totally missed this comment, my apologies. Thanks for your feedback and thanks very much for subscribing. Yeah, iz8dwf does some great repairs with explanations. And for some reason, I'm addicted to the sound of his camera "clicking" throughout his videos (I think it's the image stabilization or autofocus).

  • @stuartmcfarlane213
    @stuartmcfarlane2137 жыл бұрын

    I was certain it was the PLA as that's all I ever seem to repair. :D

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I hear you. This fix was a surprise to me too. Of course, if you feel cheated that it wasn't the PLA, there's always this video, kzread.info/dash/bejne/pHyZj6uuqqi8oaQ.html. ;) Thanks again!

  • @gregorymalchuk272

    @gregorymalchuk272

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro I have a question for you both. When the PLA chip fails, does the chip get very hot? Like hot enough that after about 45 seconds you can barely keep your hand on it. I have an old C64, but no advanced equipment to troubleshoot it like a clock probe. My C64 has the black screen and the PLA gets extremely hot after turning it on. Would replacing the PLA be an acceptable first step? (I already verified the voltages coming off the regulators on the board.)

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    ​@@gregorymalchuk272 Hi. Thanks for commenting. Well, it's hard to say. Typically, most ICs that fail on a C64 will get really hot (even to the touch) very fast, so if you have access to a spare PLA or PLA replacement, like PLAnkton, then swapping out the old for the new is a good place to start. However, as will most C64 _black_ _screen_ faults, it might be one or more ICs causing the fault. Is there any chance you have or could get your hands on a Dead Test cartridge? Available on eBay, ebay.to/2zVxurj. Even without the full diagnostic harness, the Dead Test will identify faulty chips, like DRAM, PLA, SID (actually, you should pull the SID and leave it out during troubleshooting and repair, as it is not required for the C64 to power up normally and there is no sense risking damage to it). If the Dead Test cart does not start at all then you likely have a bad CPU. I hope this helps. /\/\FR

  • @gregorymalchuk272

    @gregorymalchuk272

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro I'll have to look into it. So you mean these chips get too hot to touch even in normal operation? I have some revision of the 250407 board, and it seems that only the VIC-II and two tiny chips to the right of the ram are socketed. Everything is else is soldered to the board. So you think the test cartridge would be the next best thing to do?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@gregorymalchuk272 Most of the large ICs get rather warm under normal operating conditions. In my own tests, the PLA temp will reach 43°C/109°F and VIC-II chip can hit 60°C/140°F -- this is normal when the C64 is turned on and left idle (see a couple of my early videos measuring the temps of these chips). However, failed ICs can get much hotter and can be too hot to touch -- if I may direct you to video #14 at 7m:16s (kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6Chl8Zslty2fKg.htmlm16s), you will see RAM chips that have failed and are too hot to touch. I don't want to make you feel that you have to spend money on a Dead Test cartridge, but it might be a helpful tool to identify *some* faulty ICs. May I ask where you are located?

  • @raymondheath7668
    @raymondheath76686 жыл бұрын

    I have a white screen problem. Maybe it's the same with inverted video?

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Raymond. Thanks for commenting. A white screen at power-on would have me looking at the VIC-II chip (U19) as being faulty. I have also read of instances where it is actually a black screen but people accidentally have the brightness and/or contrast turn up too high on their old CRT monitor and the screen appears to be white. Do you have access to a Commodore Dead Test cartridge?

  • @raymondheath7668

    @raymondheath7668

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for replying. I just ordered a dual test cartridge from Ebay. I hope it's the correct one. Even though I have been doing computers since 1979 and built a Cosmac Elf in 76, I never had need to get inside a VIC or 64 that I owned. I am hoping there is some instructions on how to use the diagnostics cartridge. I built a power supply and did check the voltages at key points which were OK

  • @sonypsp05
    @sonypsp057 жыл бұрын

    Awesome, I just subscribe to your channel. I need help with my commodore 64 with black screen issue,

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for subscribing. Hopefully, this video helps you out, but keep in mind, almost any chip on the board can cause a black screen. Perhaps check out Ian Perry's "Commodore Diagnostician II" -- goo.gl/fJMnGX -- it's a great cross-reference chart when troubleshooting C64 problems.

  • @deborahberi3249
    @deborahberi32495 жыл бұрын

    I am wondering where on earth literally :) does one find that type of Typewriter Eraser. I've been telling myself for a VERY long time that one day I'll run into one somewhere but No Way. All the other recommended erasers for this type of job are not abrasive and are too soft imho. -Mark.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    LOL. The ones I have are pretty old; that's for sure. I do see that Faber-Castell still makes _typewriter_ _eraser_ _sticks_ and are sold by US sellers on eBay... ebay.to/2TrrqTr

  • @deborahberi3249

    @deborahberi3249

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@MindFlareRetro www.amazon.ca/Germany-Staedtler-Derusting-Computer-Cleaning/dp/B07LG341ZF?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc12-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07LG341ZF What do you think about this German made beast? -Mark.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@deborahberi3249 Kind of pricey. Are you located in Canada? If so, how about this, goo.gl/Tf77SJ

  • @axemanracing6222
    @axemanracing62226 жыл бұрын

    2:18 did you say "schmutz"? :-D

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, just checked, I did say it. Offensive in some way?

  • @axemanracing6222

    @axemanracing6222

    6 жыл бұрын

    No, absolutely not! It's the right german word for that kind of schmutz :-) btw it was very nice to see that C64 came back to life again.

  • @MindFlareRetro

    @MindFlareRetro

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh, good. "Schmutz" does reside in my general vocabulary -- it's one of those great words that sounds like what it describes. :) I am glad you liked the video -- thanks for watching and commenting. Hopefully, you are a subscriber; I have more C64 fix-its on the way. EDIT: I see you have subbed! Thank you very much!

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