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Decanting Fermented Fish

Decanting Fermented Fish

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How to Make Fermented Fish

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  • @a1onab93
    @a1onab934 күн бұрын

    Can you use a food processor for any of this?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 күн бұрын

    I have not tried that. I imagine the food processor would not like it.

  • @accfb6594
    @accfb659412 күн бұрын

    Hi dear, how to use it ? Could you explain? And may I get your book? Thanks for sharing ❤

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343912 күн бұрын

    Easy answer is to make IMO3. The book provides uses and experimental ideas. Other searches may help. You can also use your imagination. IMO 2 is a great refrigerator stable biological source.

  • @plumtree4973
    @plumtree497314 күн бұрын

    Thank you. Using your recipe I made sugar fermented nettles about two years ago and now opened the jar - it smells like sweet alcohol - can I still use it or will it burn leaves?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343914 күн бұрын

    Yes, decant per instructions, dilute 1:1000 to start and see if your plants like it.

  • @dorothyfu7540
    @dorothyfu754016 күн бұрын

    Nigel: On a different subject.. I wonder if it is ok to use Tomato Leaves to make Fermented Plant Juice. Can I use it on any plant?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343915 күн бұрын

    Yes you can make tomato leaf fpj. Not all plants may like it though.

  • @riderhard
    @riderhard20 күн бұрын

    Gee Nigel, I think you stopped short and forgot to tell us at what ratio do you add this additive to water and spray on plants? Or did I miss something? Thanks.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343919 күн бұрын

    1:1000 up to 1:500

  • @sophievautour8573
    @sophievautour857327 күн бұрын

    Why do you need to cook them? What happens if you don't, and just put them in vinegar? It is very cool. Especially that you use apple cider vinegar

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343926 күн бұрын

    Cooking removes organic material and water.

  • @RyanVerano-oi7qw
    @RyanVerano-oi7qwАй бұрын

    Imo

  • @dorothyfu7540
    @dorothyfu7540Ай бұрын

    I started 2 batches of this fermented fish with brown sugar in mid April of this year. I kept them closed. Now about 2 months later, I see white mold on top of these mixtures. Is this normal, or should I start all over?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer3439Ай бұрын

    How closed. Use a cloth so it can breath. Tough to tell with so little information, but generally I would not worry about a mold on a fermentation. When you are ready to decant simply remove the mold on top.

  • @dorothyfu7540
    @dorothyfu7540Ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Thank you , Nigel, it is sealed completely, as was done by another youtuber ( to avoid the fishy smell). I will put a cloth on top instead.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343912 күн бұрын

    @@dorothyfu7540 Sounds good

  • @marcobel2919
    @marcobel2919Ай бұрын

    I bought the book in Italian published by AM Terranuova. It is a practical book full of very detailed recipes. I come from a much wilder philosophy of agriculture, that is, I am inspired by Masanobu Fukuoka but I am willing to compromise and I would like to know the section regarding soil microorganisms well and use it. I admit that I did not have the patience to read the whole book. I performed IMO1 and then the "white mold" as per your recipe (now I do not remember the procedure and the book is in my father's garden) I put it in a composter containing manure composed of two years of meadow grass dried a little hay straw forest leaves dried vegetable scraps (i.e. IMO2). Now, after having turned it 3 times and two months of time, it seems almost all transformed into a slightly coarse but nice dark soil and an almost neutral scent I would like to know if I can add some wood chips from branches even if they are not fresh and that could also come from the trunk of the plant given that it is a company that makes wood chips or how I could use wood chips in Korean agriculture. thanks

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer3439Ай бұрын

    So glad you are experimenting. Sounds like you are having successes. All forms of carbon can be added to the compost pile. Wood chips from small green branches have fungi that will help the compost pile. Not turning the pile will promote fungal rather than bacterial digestion. I use wood chips when adding very nitrogen rich material like manure or freshly cut grass. Maintain a balance of C:N:P:S as you build your compost pile is important.

  • @marcobel2919
    @marcobel291914 күн бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 I read other pages of your book: interesting! I successfully made imo 2 despite not having respected all your parameters as a scientist😅. I can't find any information on how to use imo3 in compost or rather: once the compost becomes "mature" do I spread it on the soil, on the surface, being aerobic or do I have to mulch it? (if I use the no-dill technique). or is it better to incorporate it into the first layers of soil and then mulch? now here in Italy we are facing a very hot summer: min. 24 * C and max 32 ^ C and more. Happy gardening! thanks!

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343914 күн бұрын

    @@marcobel2919 I use imo3 to make imo4. We see those temperatures here as well. The tomatoes and peppers like it!

  • @marcobel2919
    @marcobel291912 күн бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Dear friend, thanks for the quick reply and I am following your recipe to prepare imo2. He stays outside in the shade in a ventilated area. Five days have passed and the scent is still the same as at the beginning: a good caramel scent, I think it is precisely that of brown sugar. From the book I do not understand what kind of scent it becomes when it is ready. (Here it is precisely 32° and the minimum instead 24Centigrade.) I thank you for the assistance and I hope that my questions can also be useful to other people.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343912 күн бұрын

    @@marcobel2919 You are on the right track. Keep up the good work.

  • @1975CEES
    @1975CEESАй бұрын

    can you use white sugar?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer343912 күн бұрын

    Many have asked about using other forms of sugar for this recipe. Just like with baking the water content of the sugar is important to the fermentation process. It is suggested to use brown sugar, organic if possible, first to understand what is expected, and then experiment with other sugars.

  • @CMTiger62
    @CMTiger62Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the video. How fine does oyster shell need to be, to be effective for tomato transplant?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer3439Ай бұрын

    Any size will help. Lately I use a kitchen sieve to sift the shells added at transplant or during the winter months, larger sizes to the compost pile. Adding crushed shells to your growing space is a low cost and effective part of a long term mineralization program.

  • @waywordprairie922
    @waywordprairie922Ай бұрын

    all your trying to do is kill bad bacteria correct? why re toat them if cooking them that far why not just blast the shells super hot so turn to powder? ie i think your making it less green and harder than it needs to be.. infact you can toss just in water raw and will naturally ferment and create its own acid esp if add a little sugar source.. no need to use special expensive vinager.

  • @bariaissa1737
    @bariaissa17372 ай бұрын

    Thank you !

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    You are welcome.

  • @bariaissa1737
    @bariaissa17372 ай бұрын

    Thank You

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    You are welcome.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani2 ай бұрын

    hello Nigel! As I told you before, I am reading your book in Italian. I have seen the data of the various extractions and I wanted to ask you how long the aqueous extractions and the fermented extractions with leaf mould had, i.e. how long were the plants steeping in the water? Consolida - Aqueous extraction Dandelion - fermented leaf mould extraction Carrot leaves - extraction with fermented leaf mould Thank you very much for your availability! A hug! All Good

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Comfrey and water - 5 years, dandelion leaf mold 1.5 years, carrot tops .5 years. The longer periods were for information. Shorter times will provide results as well.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermaniАй бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Thank very much! Is that why the book recommends 1 to 20 as a dilution for aqueous extracts and 1 to 500 for fermented juice, so as to have approximately the same nutrients fed to the plants? Jadam gives 1 to 100 as a base for JLF. Thank!

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer3439Ай бұрын

    @@jongermani Yes. Jadam is a great reference.

  • @samrathbone753
    @samrathbone7532 ай бұрын

    I did a vinegar extraction of egg shells and some sea shells from the beach. It ended up smelling horrible after a while. Suppose it is safe to use or should I get rid of it and start over?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Your plants will not mind the smell.

  • @samrathbone753
    @samrathbone7532 ай бұрын

    I made some FPJ of comfrey and it ended up being very thick. Not quite molasses thick, but close. Is it supposed to be like that?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    It may be. Try it and see if your plants like it.

  • @Kitty-Cattie
    @Kitty-Cattie2 ай бұрын

    So fascinating! I knew there has to be a way to use these shells. I'll probably keep all of them from now on 🐚. Also, do seashell types work?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Bones, shells, feathers, wool, what else is in your back yard..... Close waste gaps and feed your soil, your plants and yourself.

  • @Kitty-Cattie
    @Kitty-Cattie2 ай бұрын

    Hi! I'm trying to do almost the same as you and with similar space. For clarification, you cut the grass to the bare minimum (do I really have to cut it?). You put minerals right on top after soil testing. You put the lots of hay on top. Then, you water or rainwater and add IMO biology to it. You leave it through the winter for 6-9 months and remove the hay to plant potatoes. My questions are do I have to cut the grass under beforehand? Do you put the IMO 4 directly on top of the hay and how much IMO did you use in a week for that space? Should I start in August? Thank you so much! ❤

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    You do not have to cut the grass. Apply a thin layer of IMO4. You can put the IMO on top, but remember that it is alive and needs water and housing to thrive. Be sure to water or have rain shortly after application. Some mulch wont hurt. Simply adding the hay and waiting 6-9 months works too.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani2 ай бұрын

    Hello Nigel! I am writing to ask until when, before harvesting a vegetable or fruit, can foliar sprays or fertigation be applied? The question is to avoid ingesting nitrates or substances that are not digestible for us humans. I would also like to ask if the answer to the previous question also applies to dry pelleted manure dissolved in water with the right dilutions given as a foliar spray or in fertigation. Thank you for your helpfulness! All the best! PS: I wrote with an online translator from Italian to English

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Well done. Thanks for taking the time to translate. Perhaps you are reading the Italian translation of the book then? Fermented plant juices and vinegar extractions are not toxic in the dilution rates prescribed so not a concern. A few days should be okay, but there may be regulations that are to be considered. Residual materials in the foliar or fertigation equipment might be though. Manure on the other hand has biological components that would be a concern and are better suited for the compost pile.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani2 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Thank you! Yes I am reading the Italian translation of your book, great and thank you for having it translated. Does what you wrote about toxicity for fermented juices and vinegar extractions also apply to aqueous extractions and to extractions with fermented leaf compost with the dilutions written in the book? I talk about toxicity mainly for private use and then also for sale. A few days do you mean 2-3 days?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    @@jongermani No, does not apply to other extractions where the biology is not controlled. Vinegar will kill biology, fermentation selects specific biology.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani2 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Okay thank you very much! For the fermented juice and vinegar so 2-3 days of waiting is enough to be safe?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    @@jongermani Safe from what? People consume fermented products - kombucha, sauerkraut... and vinegar extractions - salad dressings... all the time?

  • @michael_harlan
    @michael_harlan2 ай бұрын

    Old video, but do you wash the shells to remove any excess salts?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Do not wash. There are no excess salts. Salt water from the ocean diluted 1:30 is a great plant mineral source.

  • @michael_harlan
    @michael_harlan2 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 interesting, good to know

  • @CannaroticStudios
    @CannaroticStudios2 ай бұрын

    I tried a similar way, but the rice was just rotten in any colours, an no fluffy mold :(

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34392 ай бұрын

    Usually and indication of too much moisture. Try again!

  • @Ultimatefitness360
    @Ultimatefitness36013 күн бұрын

    No need to follow any mathod blindly u can catch this white mold anywhere no need to go to forest even inside ur kitchen cobert and rice also not necessary u can take vermicompost and oats powder and keep it inside ur house

  • @billiverschoore2466
    @billiverschoore24663 ай бұрын

    Am binge watching your videos ; omg i never expected to see someone who gets that close to the soil coming into the public eye! I'm always crouching or kneeling, at work or on my allotment - if i ever have to write a book it'll have to be titled "Oh thére you are!" as clients and allotmenteurs say when they find me, dressed in greens n browns, in the greenery. I find the close contact with the soil a must; get your hands (and feet) dirty, smell the soil and plants, hear the busy-ness among the plants and in the air, observe all the critters you come across and move them to a safe space if you can't avoid disturbing their habitat. Just a wónderful "place" to be. As i have to content myself with an allotment as my only growing space, i'm a bit restricted in what i can allow to grow and how tall. So all fluffy-seeded or otherwise overly keen plants have to come out and are put on the paths. As it happens, the neighbouring plotters provide me with this path material by being generous with their "invasive ones" 😄. Lots of self-seeding going on, on my "foraging allotment", including the deep-rooted ones, to encourage soil life to go deeper via their rhizophagy cycle. Scorzonera, melilot, burdock, fennel, chicory. Looking forward to reading your book! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 🌳🕊💚

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    Go Billi. There is more going on in a cubic foot of soil than any of us will ever understand, but the thrill of trying is worth it. Thanks for sharing.

  • @billiverschoore2466
    @billiverschoore24663 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 ikr - i just let other people try, i really enjoy their findings but only have memory for the gist of things. Which doesn't take away from the sheer awe and joy. (oh and i forgot knees 🙃 Not to go home till the bats come out, and even then, if there's a nice bright moon... May your life continue to be beautiful 💚

  • @bazan0448
    @bazan04483 ай бұрын

    How long did you have to wait until you decanted it?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    7 days

  • @bazan0448
    @bazan04483 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Thank you!

  • @rachelbutler790
    @rachelbutler7903 ай бұрын

    Why is toasting necessary before making the extraction? What happens chemically in the eggs/bones when toasting? Why wouldn’t a vinegar extraction work if you do it raw?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    Burns off organic matter and removes water so vinegar can get into the small spaces and react.

  • @rachelbutler790
    @rachelbutler7903 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439Ooooh, thank you that makes sense!

  • @ghalasaad9537
    @ghalasaad95373 ай бұрын

    Can I use my kitchen oven to cook them! ?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    Yes, but there may be smells depending on what it is you are cooking.

  • @joshuajohnson714
    @joshuajohnson7143 ай бұрын

    Kewl method

  • @CalorieRebel
    @CalorieRebel3 ай бұрын

    Could you please explain: Why do you toast the eggshells until nearly burnt? Also why don't you grind them up finer for even more surface area? Thanks for the reply.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    Cook shells to remove organic matter and water. Too fine will clog foliar sprayer.

  • @viwoxd8564
    @viwoxd85643 ай бұрын

    Thx for this tipps may Cypher trap was very good and know im imo 3 ty very much

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34393 ай бұрын

    You are welcome

  • @Live_Better_Now
    @Live_Better_Now4 ай бұрын

    I thought imo needed to be made in a natural area where microbiology thrives like an ancient forest that isn’t watered by human input. I live in a desert climate so an area like this is hard to find. Can i just use some of the soil on my property it’s full of microrizzae and leaf mold, worms, etc but i thought we were doing this to bring in more microbiology to our yard.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Natural area yes, but local like your back yard! Harness the biology in your back yard and bring it into your growing space which may not have the same diversity.

  • @Ultimatefitness360
    @Ultimatefitness36013 күн бұрын

    Dont need any forest area for this imo u can make it inside ur house too because it catch only this white fungus which is a decomposing fungus and it present everywhere , it doesnt have any maichoraiza or tricoderma or other beneficial fungus except this decamposing fungus and many times it also attract black harmful fungus in forest area

  • @southpost1224
    @southpost12244 ай бұрын

    Wonderful video! Did the quack grass return around the garlic? Thank you.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    To early to tell, but in nature elimination is not the goal, only balance. I find quack grass to be a useful "weed" for many reasons. See mineral analysis of quack grass fermented plant juice on page 188 for instance.

  • @southpost1224
    @southpost12244 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much!@@nigelpalmer3439

  • @abraham3901
    @abraham39014 ай бұрын

    Interesting vid sir, thank you. I was thinking Sargassum as a medium for soil amendment. I live by the ocean, and every now and then stuff washes up the beach. Soil here is sandy w just a few inches of topsoil for the most part. I read seaweed, sargassum has 70+ mineral traces on it. I used once for an olive tree. I give it a good rinse before using as mulch and the lil tree seems to like it. some general insight on the subject will be appreciated, Thank you.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Seaweed is an excellent mulch. Don't rinse it. Listen to your olive tree! Apply 2-3 inches thick. Will deter slugs.

  • @LittleJordanFarm
    @LittleJordanFarm4 ай бұрын

    Looks wonderful...question if I may. Do you grow the mullien for medicinal purpose or amending soil

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Both as well as for the local inhabitants. She is part of our landscape.

  • @LittleJordanFarm
    @LittleJordanFarm4 ай бұрын

    @nigelpalmer3439 I bought your book a couple years ago. Love it its a go to this time of yr especially. Stay well

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Thank you @@LittleJordanFarm

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani4 ай бұрын

    Hi Nigel! of manual refractometers there are with various measurement ranges, which range do you need to take for a correct measurement? thank you for your availability

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Most of the fruits and vegetables you will test will be in the 0-30 range.

  • @jongermani
    @jongermani4 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 Thank you!

  • @williambock1821
    @williambock18214 ай бұрын

    What’s red?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    I am sorry but I do not understand your question?

  • @williambock1821
    @williambock18214 ай бұрын

    How to drive local raccoons insane😂

  • @edwardcuneo5294
    @edwardcuneo52944 ай бұрын

    No one talks about what is in the water you catch from the sky. Every area that it rains in is not the same as other areas. I wonder how much those elements in rain water affect the process.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    Good questions!

  • @edwardcuneo5294
    @edwardcuneo52944 ай бұрын

    @@nigelpalmer3439 thanks. Will you be addressing them in the future?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34394 ай бұрын

    I discuss these topics and more in my programs.

  • @threepuffpass2155
    @threepuffpass21555 ай бұрын

    After my 7 days my jars were still kinda dry. It didn't turn 2 liquid. I might have put a little 2much sugar. It was Def a good collection. Any ideas? Should I start over?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    Tough to comment with so little information. Where in the world are you to find fresh plants to ferment this time of year? Yes, start over.

  • @jonathanbigger4199
    @jonathanbigger41995 ай бұрын

    Iam digging your stuff hommie

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @salehalmass9848
    @salehalmass98485 ай бұрын

    Hi can I use Molasses instead of brown sugar thanks

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    I have not used Molasses.

  • @GaryHall-uv4in
    @GaryHall-uv4in5 ай бұрын

    Thankyou young fella from New South Wales Australia 👍🤏

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    You are welcome! and about as far away from me here in Connecticut USA as possible!

  • @anteeres205
    @anteeres2055 ай бұрын

    You put in compost fish,organic materials and what kind of materials are those two more? Where i can order book in Europe? Thanks

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    Rock dusts for clay and minerals, IMO 4 for biology. Book is available in English, German and Italian. Check out my website for details. www.nigel-palmer.com/ in the book tab.

  • @flowerflower4731
    @flowerflower47315 ай бұрын

    282024 I surely would like to see Nigel with a mask and something on his hands!

  • @jsoderquist6310
    @jsoderquist63105 ай бұрын

    Julie previously Springer now Soderquist. Love to catch up with you! I bought your book too.

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    My email address is [email protected] if you would like to contact me.

  • @tamaravanlangeveld4339
    @tamaravanlangeveld43395 ай бұрын

    You cook them in water or just by themselfs on the grill?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34395 ай бұрын

    No water.

  • @mfmr200
    @mfmr2006 ай бұрын

    can i burn it?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34396 ай бұрын

    If you mean over cook the shells, not likely.

  • @megacoffeenurserybed
    @megacoffeenurserybed6 ай бұрын

    If you say mixing should be a ratio 1:20, what are trying to mean sir?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34396 ай бұрын

    Mix one part leaf mold liquid to 20 parts rain water.

  • @whyistheworldsowicked
    @whyistheworldsowicked6 ай бұрын

    Thanks sir..

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34396 ай бұрын

    You are welcome.

  • @hussienabdelstar140
    @hussienabdelstar1406 ай бұрын

    من فضلك التخمر الذي قمت بة تخمر هوائي وشاهدت فيديوهات تقوم بعمل تخمر لا هوائي ما الفرق بين التخمر الهوائي و الغير هوائي وايهما افضل وشكرا لك برجاء الاهتمام والإجابة

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34396 ай бұрын

    With and without air. There are many differences, too many to explain here. Would you like to zoom? Sorry but speaking English required.

  • @potatopuggiedog6876
    @potatopuggiedog68766 ай бұрын

    Great tutorial! What soil temp are you aiming for?

  • @nigelpalmer3439
    @nigelpalmer34396 ай бұрын

    Ambient temperature. Same temperature as outside where it will be used.