In my humble opinion I don't think it's necessary to feel the trail. I totally disagree. Feedback to the wheel does nothing but tire you out after hours of riding. Diminishing this is one of the benefits of P/S
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
I assume you then also don't think it's a benefit to 'feel' the road in your car. Some people just drive and some people enjoy driving. Many years in race cars and performance cars has taught me the enjoyment and performance gains in feeling the road and ground. But it is not for all - obviously by the over-powered steering on most new machines.
@davidperkins16607 жыл бұрын
honda and suzuki should bring back there 300 class 4x4 machines.
@terrywaters61867 жыл бұрын
Painful to watch.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
What tire do you suggest if I want to keep everything the same as my stock tires but want them in a radial.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
The QuadBoss QBT446 worked great on our long-term BF. I also really liked the STI Black Diamonds and Sedona RipSaws.
@danno1ize7 жыл бұрын
my wife bought a 2017 kawy 750.i didnt think i would like it as much as my 800r outlander.after riding it on two trail rides i am thinking of trading in the can am. better ride,down low power ,and just an all around better handling machine.the onle thing i have a problem with is the racks.not enough tie downs.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
miles and miles
@wesleygarrison62487 жыл бұрын
I have the exact model shown in this video
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
well I showed up at the dealership today with my check book and test road the brute force and grizzly around the track they had on sight at the dealer and I made the big purchase. The brute force came home with me and I never looked back at the grizzly. The grizz had great handling and brakes, soft seat, power steering was a little weaker feeling than the brute. The brutes power and all around feel sold it. Came home and road about 8miles on the new brute and I am very happy with the purchase. It sounds very good and I like the two compartments-netting by the handle bars. I thought it would sit to high but when you ride it that all goes away. That low end grunt is pretty awesome. grizz has to be moving to get some power out of it.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
After doing more research, do you think the handle bars are to low and seat to high. when I sat on the brute force at the dealer it felt weird. other people mentioned on you tube about it to. Maybe I am just used to Polaris and its no big deal. Yes I want throttle response, thats why I am considering a brute force. The grizzly feels better to me when I sit on it at the dealer, but I want power(TORQ) to make me smile. kinda like you was saying about hitting the throttle on the brute force. I dare you not to punch it.. Well, I want to punch it all the time and smile the whole time.
@Bowstringdotcom7 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, where is that 50" ....Yamaha.....i.e. middle of the road between sport and utility..... till it shows up I'll never see a reason to have a side by side, which is a bummer because they could make a killing off a machine like that. There is a huge market for it of people like me who will never buy a Polaris and want to buy the Honda but it's a farm and ranch machine, not a trail machine.
@Bowstringdotcom7 жыл бұрын
I also will say that when I saw the rack on the back of the Pioneer I thought that was the best idea ever part of the problem with the sport machines is that my ATV has more cargo room... the Honda rack is Ultra wide and capable for hauling your crap, elk, deer, gear, whatever, but those seats would suck if you're riding for now than 10 minutes..... again.... Yamaha.... where are you? Stop hiding please..... I'm trying to come up with ways to make a Rhino 700 50" wide....
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
I think your review was right on. Polaris is big-heavy and setup for the guy looking to haul a lot of weight or tow. quality is lacking, but not enough for me to buy a Japanese machine unless I was riding all the time and riding it hard. being I am a 300lbs guy and ride on gravel roads-light trails and think about hauling a deer-elk out of the wood some day. The Polaris is the perfect setup for me. there might be a day when I have to ride down a skidder trail and haul a deer to the road and hp-torq will be needed
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
Great review. I took it all in. It is so much fun having a lot of atv' brands to choose from when making a decision to buy a wheeler. I find it very interesting what people like and dislike. Its so hard to give a review when a atv can be used for so many different things. Personally I look for comfort-ease of ride and then storage-hauling ability. Mainly using my atv for hunting and family trail riding. I need to haul on a family trail ride, chairs, cooler, big bag for cloths, guns, gas can and safety gear. when hunting I bring pretty much the same thing except I need steel line so I can wench a deer-elk up a hill If needed and haul it to camp. So a big bore is a must and hauling capacity is very important. Its mazing how much power(hp) you need when hauling a deer up a hill. When hunting we do go places that are to small for a side by side. So I bought a 05' Polaris mv700 and it is perfect. I love the comfort and how it takes more throttle to take off and the one break lever. But I can also see why someone wouldn't like though feature if they ride in rough trails and need more control of the machine.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
The marketing of atv is crazy to me. I know its all about making money. compromise at every turn to cut costs and make an affordable machine. Don't change a thing if it works. Japanese make well built machines, but won't give us extra hp engines. Polaris and Can Am need to refine quality, but really make a nice designed machine for comfort and feel.
@littleteethkeith7 жыл бұрын
I see a dude riding on of these everyday during my morning commute. It's funny to see his necktie flapping around.
@MistaKut7 жыл бұрын
Wow, really? That's retarded. A tarp for a fraction of the cost would achieve the same result
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
You'd have to spend some bucks to get it to fasten on as well as this plus this looks better....
@Stu650Zuk7 жыл бұрын
No doubt this IS going to be our next purchase. I sold off my last atv and we already have one sxs now but it is pure utility. It's a Kubota RTV 1120d model..Great work machine so no complaints at all. But after having it for a couple of years I am thinking its time for something more "in between" good for work and odd jobs as well as plowing snow, and more fun on the trails with a lot more power. I have always been a big fan of the Kawasaki V Twin engine...heck they started the multi cylinder atv craze! My old Prairie 700,,,2005 model,,,still runs like a top to this day to the man I sold it to 7 yrs. ago...No it doesn't look nearly as nice as it was when I owned it but it has really taken a beating from his kids and relatives etc...and it still purrs! That's good enough info for me on how reliable a Kawasaki Vtwin and drivetrain is for sure. I looked at the new Defender as well...I do not like to brand bash but I do not care for that make as much as good old Kawasaki. Polaris I overlooked the Ranger series altogether as I have fixed just way to many of those to be a coincidence for friends...Yeah I have driven plenty and they are a smooth ride,,I will give them that...thanks for the real truth and unbiased reviews that you do..
@virgilsmith57927 жыл бұрын
interesting viewpoint. I would be interested in the safety stats on accidents occurring with or without power steering.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Or reliability issues!
@nazargubenya52987 жыл бұрын
how does ASI work??
@lostyouth79587 жыл бұрын
I have the 97 trx250 model and I only need a battery for it but it's a good ATV for entering motorsports and it's good for camping, fishing and hunting but I would recommend the recon
@OGBB337 жыл бұрын
I bought a used 2007 Suzuki KQ 450 and it's a fantastic ATV. I upgraded to larger 27" tires (no lift kit required) and installed EPI clutch kit for CVT. Drives great on trails! Clutch kit really woke this machine up. I prefer old school manual shift, but this KQ cvt does work well. Nyrocatv site has great mods and handy fixes for these quads. No regrets buying a KQ.
@brandonbrown19847 жыл бұрын
That was me that "pushed off". Mostly because he was up on my wheeler...
@CaptJohnsBar7 жыл бұрын
Where do i find the tips on quieting this thing down a bit?
@CaptJohnsBar7 жыл бұрын
The dealer and i went over this whole machine and couldn't find a spot wider than 60", which makes it legal for many trails in Maine that have a 60" width limit!
@kountryquads94757 жыл бұрын
I am looking at two atvs, the 03 eiger auto and the 03 Honda foreman 450 s. They both have 800mi. I trail ride and I am not sure. Please respond asap!
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Both are really great machines! You will not go wrong whichever you choose.
@kountryquads94757 жыл бұрын
Is the 400 king quad auto feel slow, I have driven the 5 speed and I liked it. If I liked the 5 speed trail riding would I like the auto too?
@cjk2477 жыл бұрын
how come atvtv doesnt do full tests and ride alongs for new atvs anymore ? what i mean is when polaris came out with the sportsman 550 2 up
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
We are slowing down our business so I can do other things.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
oh ya, and seat comfort compared to other machines. I like comfort for those 5 hour rides. I would like to get the most comfort and I know 3 hours into a ride the seat changes on you compared to when you first sit on it on the show room floor. Like my Yamaha works great at first and then it starts pulling my back compared to my older Polaris that is simply comfortable through the whole ride, but lacks refinement of modern machines. But maybe my older Polaris is just perfect and I need to just be happy with what I got, because nothing else will make me happier.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
The stability is great but remember that these machines (as well as the King Quad and Grizzly) come stock with really cheap and flexible tires that adversely affect the handling and stability. A good set of tires will really make the machine. We remove the sway bar and run our tires at a low PSI for the best handling and ride. With that said, nothing will be a soft riding as a Polaris. Most of that is the seat foam which I've always thought could be an option...
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
I am eye balling this machine for my next purchase. it seems lower to the ground which would help with stability? how does it compare to other machines
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
could you include seat comfort, tippyness and how well the power steering handles hitting blunt objects in your reviews. I hit a stump today with my old machine without power steering and it shook me up and now I want power steer, but the power steering has to protect me against sudden stumps and rocks, ripping the handle bars out of my hands.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
The BF and King Quad have the best power steering in my opinion. Not overpowered like the Polaris, but just enough to make the steering feel right, like I always say, it's just like you are stronger and younger :-) It is very effective as a stabilizer.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
gosh darn I like your reviews.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
my bushing in my wife's 2015 850 touring has play in it too, very annoying. Makes it feel cheep for a expensive machine. when it comes to power, it was very impressive almost to the extent I couldn't believe it. she's happy with her machine. it does get great fuel economy when she rides it. When I got on it not so much.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
a little bit of extra power.... my wife just got a 2015 850 touring and she let me ride it and I was blow away by the power that thing had when you wanted it. sure you can drive it slow and it handles great, but if you give it full throttle it takes off right now and freak me out. to the point of unbelief that there is a atv that fast. Guess I must be getting old and used to 700's in the mid 2000's Yes, the power was very controllable and the handles worked great, but no one, on any of these review express what kind of power these 850 have. Does the newer Brute Force 750 and Grizzly 700 have that kind of power as the 850's have? my wife really likes the 850 and never once expressed to me how much power it had, so if you ride it slow it go's slow and doesn't give that impression of crazy amount of power.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Nothing has the incredibly addicting, instant power that the Brute Force has!
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
BEST review I ever listened to. I used to owned a 05 king quad 700 and your a 100% right on everything. Now I own a 2005 Polaris mv700 because I like the size(carrying capacity) of that machine for what I do. Hunting and slow easy trail riding. Deep down I know the Suzuki is the best machine made on the market to date hands down in every way. Suzuki doesn't cut corners on quality and made a utility atv machine that makes sense. Its great to go on You Tube and actually get a REVIEW. Keep up the good work
@practicalguy9737 жыл бұрын
Does the Pioneer 500 have the same feature in the front diff as all the ATVs where you just need to ride the brake to get both front wheels to lock if your stuck? kzread.info/dash/bejne/iayu1bNyhLKclLA.html.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
That'll work!
@hansentom507 жыл бұрын
any opinion or thoughts on why Kawasaki fell so far behind on motorsport production?? I mean now a days there's only the brute force 300 and 750. it's sad really
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
The current market is extremely weighted towards UTVs (SxSs). Not only do they sell more side by sides than ATVs but their profit margin is bigger....
@practicalguy9737 жыл бұрын
I'd always go for Honda reliability over Polaris. Most people on the forums complain of many repairs over a couple years, some amounting to many thousands of dollars with the RZR. Maybe with the Honda find A more comfortable aftermarket seat and call it good enough. I'd be more worried about the power with the Honda. Can it go up a hill with a full load comfortably? I see in this other video the suspension is pretty bad on the Honda. Looks like a bucking jarring ride! Maybe some aftermarket arms and shocks would be necessary. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2Sjq69pcdjOeKQ.html
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
While the Honda is INDEED far more reliable it is also much less comfortable and far less powerful. It really comes down to what you want and what you are willing to put up with. Better shocks will help considerably and we are working with Progressive suspension to come up with a reasonably priced set of better dampers, but there is really no good fix for increased power. I see many people more than please to putt along the trails in their Pioneers. I personally still can find a machine with the looks, power and comfort of a RZR with the reliability of a Honda. There is no justice..... Where is the Suzuki Trail King 750?
@practicalguy9737 жыл бұрын
That's such a conundrum! I think for me I'd still want to be in the reliable Honda. Nothing worse than breaking down, I hate it so much. I'm bitter though because when I was a teenager I saved every penny I had and got a used (few years old) YZ125 and it broke every second ride! At least I could walk that home in most cases. So I'd hope for an upgrade from Progessive suspenion that would improve the ride and just live with the power as is. I did see a video of the Pioneer 500 pulling a RZR and also dragging a large tree down a road. Looks like becuase of the real gear box and very torque biased gear ratios that it can do OK pulling/towing wise for a small UTV. As for top speed I'm never ripping in a trail anyway. I just need a more cushy ride.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
I agree. If we could just get a little better shocks and maybe even pad the seat a bit more...
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
I just can't figure out why people don't like the braking. are 2015 Polaris 850 touring has great brakes, very predicable and precise.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Many people prefer to also be able to control the front and rear brakes separately.
@Alex-ei6qr7 жыл бұрын
Hi, am I correct in saying that a used Eiger is preferable as it has front diff lock?
@richardwilliams31527 жыл бұрын
Do you recall how much fuel the Honda used? That rather smallish gas tank they have is one of my hangups before buying one.
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
It took less than the tank (smaller) while the BF used a full tank (bigger). But I carry extra fuel just to be safe.
@practicalguy9737 жыл бұрын
All my experiences with Honda Boat motors and ATV's showed me they are always the most fuel efficient so I'm not surprised that the Pioneer 500 burned less.
@RichardWilliams-re9lw7 жыл бұрын
I have the same experience with all Honda things being very effecient, Honda claims 4.1 gallon with a 1.1 gallon reserve. I was just trying to get an idea of what that equates to in terms of time or distance. Especially since Polaris gives their 570 rzr 7+ gallons and the 900 rzr almost 10 gallons.
@bbreckner98847 жыл бұрын
Now, I was thinking about getting these for my Polaris scrambler 850. And i heard people say that if you put a bigger tire then stock you will break the axles, now in this case are these tires so aggressive that if I punch the throttle I break my axles or burn a belt or should I be just fine? Also from a 1-10 rating 1 being the worst and 10 being the best what would you guys rate them? (Or anybody else who has or is owning these tires)
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
There are better tires. Check our reviews on our website.
@bbreckner98847 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks!
@sprdaxlw9l7 жыл бұрын
I have owned one of these for about 12 years now. I pull it offset behind a 2185 cadet with ag tires on it and 4' deck. I mow about an acre and a half with it . I have about 15 large pine trees and several hardwoods to mow around as well. I am covering 9' in one pass. Bettter for me than zero turn. trail mower goes under the trees, I don't. Tried it a little behind atv. All I have a sport quads. Didn't have much luck. If grass isn't too wet It will keep up with the cadet at top speed. Have replaced belt 2 times in 12 years. Have raised it up high and mowed barn lot with it. When I do something like that I usually set the tractor about 2" higher and pull it inline. If I let my yard get away from me I also pull it inline. My only real complaint is that the paint started falling off from day one. no matter that I cleaned it off and parked inside. I personally think these don't get the recognition they should for pulling with lawn tractor. But I don't find them too practical for use with atv. Neighbor has a 44" he pulls with utility atv to mow a rough one acre barn lot and it is much more suited for that purpose. I do suggest ag tires on the lawn tractor if you have banks and hills. I made a swivel out of on old heavy duty caster (removed wheel) and welded it tongue instead of ball hitch. That way I can run with trail mower over side of banks with tractor on flat and no binding at hitch pin. When you grew up pulling a discbine behind a farm tractor over a 1000+ acres a year getting use to it is a snap.
@kong37 жыл бұрын
If Polaris thinks they will push Forrest service in all these jurisdictions they continue to give the finger to their customers and dealers. Too bad... they make an incredible product. We own an 800 and a WC Trail. Want to buy a 900 but cant. They will not fit through the gates in Colorado. Polaris.. thanks for screwing up our hard fought relationships with FS and making more work for those of us who work so hard to keep trails open.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
I like the brake lever on the left side owned a 700 king quad and Yamaha big bear and I couldn't stand the front brake on the right handle bar wear the throttle is. its so much simpler to have the brake on the left hand bar. I love my 700 Polaris, very comfortable, and easy to operate on open logging roads and trails. good for hunting and recreation
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Sadly, as we dumb down the controls for a machine we also dumb down what is required to operated a dangerous and potentially dangerous machine.
@dankruger28907 жыл бұрын
I disagree with a lot of what your saying. I like the brakes on the left side only. My Yamaha has the front break lever on the right throttle hand and it is hard for me to use because of the throttle. Polaris doesn't sit to high for today standards. just have to ride different. I would rather have ground clearance and comfortable riding suspension than fast low center corning. because I aint trying to go that fast to roll my machine, but I am going to ride it over smaller rocks and little trees. For ease of use on trails its good for a rookie rider that only uses his machine 5 to 10 times a year for hunting or logging road trail riding. the Polaris has the best control and ease of use and practical suspension. If you want to race around all crazy like, one might get something different. Polaris is setup for the average guy looking to trail ride, go hunting or work around the property. I love the 4x4, brakes, ride comfort and towing-hauling of my Polaris 700
@32Lakes17 жыл бұрын
what brand are the round mirrors you are using on the P500? Thanks
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
From eBay that fit a Honda CT 110.
@thomashalley72587 жыл бұрын
dont these have horns on them?
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if they had horns and mirrors.
@thomashalley72587 жыл бұрын
Ya, if there was more counties nation wide that allowed legal use on road ways horns blinkers and mirrors would probably come standard.
@MrMedtech14377 жыл бұрын
Have one and other then needing new tires, this thing is a work horse. Does not leak oil and fires up every time. I added a small wench to it. Never lets me down.
@bryankerr697 жыл бұрын
This is a great little quad. Works well on my heavily wooded property because of it's size. Power to weight ratio is good, lots of torque with a good belt in it. It's a joy to ride and very versatile. I also have an '08 Sportsman 500 HO EFI, I often opt for the Hawkeye 300 for in the woods.
@AldosStarsKennel7 жыл бұрын
Hi Doug: Nice review ! Could you tell me which différence between this kingquad 400 Fs and a Eiger 400 Fs please ? Same frame ? Same méchanical ? Same ride ? Regards
@ATVTVCOM7 жыл бұрын
Everything's the same except the looks!
@AldosStarsKennel7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug !
@Alex-ei6qr7 жыл бұрын
Hi, as I asked on the other review just now - I though the Eiger had front diff lock and the KQ does not? Cheers
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In my humble opinion I don't think it's necessary to feel the trail. I totally disagree. Feedback to the wheel does nothing but tire you out after hours of riding. Diminishing this is one of the benefits of P/S
I assume you then also don't think it's a benefit to 'feel' the road in your car. Some people just drive and some people enjoy driving. Many years in race cars and performance cars has taught me the enjoyment and performance gains in feeling the road and ground. But it is not for all - obviously by the over-powered steering on most new machines.
honda and suzuki should bring back there 300 class 4x4 machines.
Painful to watch.
What tire do you suggest if I want to keep everything the same as my stock tires but want them in a radial.
The QuadBoss QBT446 worked great on our long-term BF. I also really liked the STI Black Diamonds and Sedona RipSaws.
my wife bought a 2017 kawy 750.i didnt think i would like it as much as my 800r outlander.after riding it on two trail rides i am thinking of trading in the can am. better ride,down low power ,and just an all around better handling machine.the onle thing i have a problem with is the racks.not enough tie downs.
miles and miles
I have the exact model shown in this video
well I showed up at the dealership today with my check book and test road the brute force and grizzly around the track they had on sight at the dealer and I made the big purchase. The brute force came home with me and I never looked back at the grizzly. The grizz had great handling and brakes, soft seat, power steering was a little weaker feeling than the brute. The brutes power and all around feel sold it. Came home and road about 8miles on the new brute and I am very happy with the purchase. It sounds very good and I like the two compartments-netting by the handle bars. I thought it would sit to high but when you ride it that all goes away. That low end grunt is pretty awesome. grizz has to be moving to get some power out of it.
After doing more research, do you think the handle bars are to low and seat to high. when I sat on the brute force at the dealer it felt weird. other people mentioned on you tube about it to. Maybe I am just used to Polaris and its no big deal. Yes I want throttle response, thats why I am considering a brute force. The grizzly feels better to me when I sit on it at the dealer, but I want power(TORQ) to make me smile. kinda like you was saying about hitting the throttle on the brute force. I dare you not to punch it.. Well, I want to punch it all the time and smile the whole time.
Couldn't agree more, where is that 50" ....Yamaha.....i.e. middle of the road between sport and utility..... till it shows up I'll never see a reason to have a side by side, which is a bummer because they could make a killing off a machine like that. There is a huge market for it of people like me who will never buy a Polaris and want to buy the Honda but it's a farm and ranch machine, not a trail machine.
I also will say that when I saw the rack on the back of the Pioneer I thought that was the best idea ever part of the problem with the sport machines is that my ATV has more cargo room... the Honda rack is Ultra wide and capable for hauling your crap, elk, deer, gear, whatever, but those seats would suck if you're riding for now than 10 minutes..... again.... Yamaha.... where are you? Stop hiding please..... I'm trying to come up with ways to make a Rhino 700 50" wide....
I think your review was right on. Polaris is big-heavy and setup for the guy looking to haul a lot of weight or tow. quality is lacking, but not enough for me to buy a Japanese machine unless I was riding all the time and riding it hard. being I am a 300lbs guy and ride on gravel roads-light trails and think about hauling a deer-elk out of the wood some day. The Polaris is the perfect setup for me. there might be a day when I have to ride down a skidder trail and haul a deer to the road and hp-torq will be needed
Great review. I took it all in. It is so much fun having a lot of atv' brands to choose from when making a decision to buy a wheeler. I find it very interesting what people like and dislike. Its so hard to give a review when a atv can be used for so many different things. Personally I look for comfort-ease of ride and then storage-hauling ability. Mainly using my atv for hunting and family trail riding. I need to haul on a family trail ride, chairs, cooler, big bag for cloths, guns, gas can and safety gear. when hunting I bring pretty much the same thing except I need steel line so I can wench a deer-elk up a hill If needed and haul it to camp. So a big bore is a must and hauling capacity is very important. Its mazing how much power(hp) you need when hauling a deer up a hill. When hunting we do go places that are to small for a side by side. So I bought a 05' Polaris mv700 and it is perfect. I love the comfort and how it takes more throttle to take off and the one break lever. But I can also see why someone wouldn't like though feature if they ride in rough trails and need more control of the machine.
The marketing of atv is crazy to me. I know its all about making money. compromise at every turn to cut costs and make an affordable machine. Don't change a thing if it works. Japanese make well built machines, but won't give us extra hp engines. Polaris and Can Am need to refine quality, but really make a nice designed machine for comfort and feel.
I see a dude riding on of these everyday during my morning commute. It's funny to see his necktie flapping around.
Wow, really? That's retarded. A tarp for a fraction of the cost would achieve the same result
You'd have to spend some bucks to get it to fasten on as well as this plus this looks better....
No doubt this IS going to be our next purchase. I sold off my last atv and we already have one sxs now but it is pure utility. It's a Kubota RTV 1120d model..Great work machine so no complaints at all. But after having it for a couple of years I am thinking its time for something more "in between" good for work and odd jobs as well as plowing snow, and more fun on the trails with a lot more power. I have always been a big fan of the Kawasaki V Twin engine...heck they started the multi cylinder atv craze! My old Prairie 700,,,2005 model,,,still runs like a top to this day to the man I sold it to 7 yrs. ago...No it doesn't look nearly as nice as it was when I owned it but it has really taken a beating from his kids and relatives etc...and it still purrs! That's good enough info for me on how reliable a Kawasaki Vtwin and drivetrain is for sure. I looked at the new Defender as well...I do not like to brand bash but I do not care for that make as much as good old Kawasaki. Polaris I overlooked the Ranger series altogether as I have fixed just way to many of those to be a coincidence for friends...Yeah I have driven plenty and they are a smooth ride,,I will give them that...thanks for the real truth and unbiased reviews that you do..
interesting viewpoint. I would be interested in the safety stats on accidents occurring with or without power steering.
Or reliability issues!
how does ASI work??
I have the 97 trx250 model and I only need a battery for it but it's a good ATV for entering motorsports and it's good for camping, fishing and hunting but I would recommend the recon
I bought a used 2007 Suzuki KQ 450 and it's a fantastic ATV. I upgraded to larger 27" tires (no lift kit required) and installed EPI clutch kit for CVT. Drives great on trails! Clutch kit really woke this machine up. I prefer old school manual shift, but this KQ cvt does work well. Nyrocatv site has great mods and handy fixes for these quads. No regrets buying a KQ.
That was me that "pushed off". Mostly because he was up on my wheeler...
Where do i find the tips on quieting this thing down a bit?
The dealer and i went over this whole machine and couldn't find a spot wider than 60", which makes it legal for many trails in Maine that have a 60" width limit!
I am looking at two atvs, the 03 eiger auto and the 03 Honda foreman 450 s. They both have 800mi. I trail ride and I am not sure. Please respond asap!
Both are really great machines! You will not go wrong whichever you choose.
Is the 400 king quad auto feel slow, I have driven the 5 speed and I liked it. If I liked the 5 speed trail riding would I like the auto too?
how come atvtv doesnt do full tests and ride alongs for new atvs anymore ? what i mean is when polaris came out with the sportsman 550 2 up
We are slowing down our business so I can do other things.
oh ya, and seat comfort compared to other machines. I like comfort for those 5 hour rides. I would like to get the most comfort and I know 3 hours into a ride the seat changes on you compared to when you first sit on it on the show room floor. Like my Yamaha works great at first and then it starts pulling my back compared to my older Polaris that is simply comfortable through the whole ride, but lacks refinement of modern machines. But maybe my older Polaris is just perfect and I need to just be happy with what I got, because nothing else will make me happier.
The stability is great but remember that these machines (as well as the King Quad and Grizzly) come stock with really cheap and flexible tires that adversely affect the handling and stability. A good set of tires will really make the machine. We remove the sway bar and run our tires at a low PSI for the best handling and ride. With that said, nothing will be a soft riding as a Polaris. Most of that is the seat foam which I've always thought could be an option...
I am eye balling this machine for my next purchase. it seems lower to the ground which would help with stability? how does it compare to other machines
could you include seat comfort, tippyness and how well the power steering handles hitting blunt objects in your reviews. I hit a stump today with my old machine without power steering and it shook me up and now I want power steer, but the power steering has to protect me against sudden stumps and rocks, ripping the handle bars out of my hands.
The BF and King Quad have the best power steering in my opinion. Not overpowered like the Polaris, but just enough to make the steering feel right, like I always say, it's just like you are stronger and younger :-) It is very effective as a stabilizer.
gosh darn I like your reviews.
Thanks!
my bushing in my wife's 2015 850 touring has play in it too, very annoying. Makes it feel cheep for a expensive machine. when it comes to power, it was very impressive almost to the extent I couldn't believe it. she's happy with her machine. it does get great fuel economy when she rides it. When I got on it not so much.
a little bit of extra power.... my wife just got a 2015 850 touring and she let me ride it and I was blow away by the power that thing had when you wanted it. sure you can drive it slow and it handles great, but if you give it full throttle it takes off right now and freak me out. to the point of unbelief that there is a atv that fast. Guess I must be getting old and used to 700's in the mid 2000's Yes, the power was very controllable and the handles worked great, but no one, on any of these review express what kind of power these 850 have. Does the newer Brute Force 750 and Grizzly 700 have that kind of power as the 850's have? my wife really likes the 850 and never once expressed to me how much power it had, so if you ride it slow it go's slow and doesn't give that impression of crazy amount of power.
Nothing has the incredibly addicting, instant power that the Brute Force has!
BEST review I ever listened to. I used to owned a 05 king quad 700 and your a 100% right on everything. Now I own a 2005 Polaris mv700 because I like the size(carrying capacity) of that machine for what I do. Hunting and slow easy trail riding. Deep down I know the Suzuki is the best machine made on the market to date hands down in every way. Suzuki doesn't cut corners on quality and made a utility atv machine that makes sense. Its great to go on You Tube and actually get a REVIEW. Keep up the good work
Does the Pioneer 500 have the same feature in the front diff as all the ATVs where you just need to ride the brake to get both front wheels to lock if your stuck? kzread.info/dash/bejne/iayu1bNyhLKclLA.html.
That'll work!
any opinion or thoughts on why Kawasaki fell so far behind on motorsport production?? I mean now a days there's only the brute force 300 and 750. it's sad really
The current market is extremely weighted towards UTVs (SxSs). Not only do they sell more side by sides than ATVs but their profit margin is bigger....
I'd always go for Honda reliability over Polaris. Most people on the forums complain of many repairs over a couple years, some amounting to many thousands of dollars with the RZR. Maybe with the Honda find A more comfortable aftermarket seat and call it good enough. I'd be more worried about the power with the Honda. Can it go up a hill with a full load comfortably? I see in this other video the suspension is pretty bad on the Honda. Looks like a bucking jarring ride! Maybe some aftermarket arms and shocks would be necessary. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2Sjq69pcdjOeKQ.html
While the Honda is INDEED far more reliable it is also much less comfortable and far less powerful. It really comes down to what you want and what you are willing to put up with. Better shocks will help considerably and we are working with Progressive suspension to come up with a reasonably priced set of better dampers, but there is really no good fix for increased power. I see many people more than please to putt along the trails in their Pioneers. I personally still can find a machine with the looks, power and comfort of a RZR with the reliability of a Honda. There is no justice..... Where is the Suzuki Trail King 750?
That's such a conundrum! I think for me I'd still want to be in the reliable Honda. Nothing worse than breaking down, I hate it so much. I'm bitter though because when I was a teenager I saved every penny I had and got a used (few years old) YZ125 and it broke every second ride! At least I could walk that home in most cases. So I'd hope for an upgrade from Progessive suspenion that would improve the ride and just live with the power as is. I did see a video of the Pioneer 500 pulling a RZR and also dragging a large tree down a road. Looks like becuase of the real gear box and very torque biased gear ratios that it can do OK pulling/towing wise for a small UTV. As for top speed I'm never ripping in a trail anyway. I just need a more cushy ride.
I agree. If we could just get a little better shocks and maybe even pad the seat a bit more...
I just can't figure out why people don't like the braking. are 2015 Polaris 850 touring has great brakes, very predicable and precise.
Many people prefer to also be able to control the front and rear brakes separately.
Hi, am I correct in saying that a used Eiger is preferable as it has front diff lock?
Do you recall how much fuel the Honda used? That rather smallish gas tank they have is one of my hangups before buying one.
It took less than the tank (smaller) while the BF used a full tank (bigger). But I carry extra fuel just to be safe.
All my experiences with Honda Boat motors and ATV's showed me they are always the most fuel efficient so I'm not surprised that the Pioneer 500 burned less.
I have the same experience with all Honda things being very effecient, Honda claims 4.1 gallon with a 1.1 gallon reserve. I was just trying to get an idea of what that equates to in terms of time or distance. Especially since Polaris gives their 570 rzr 7+ gallons and the 900 rzr almost 10 gallons.
Now, I was thinking about getting these for my Polaris scrambler 850. And i heard people say that if you put a bigger tire then stock you will break the axles, now in this case are these tires so aggressive that if I punch the throttle I break my axles or burn a belt or should I be just fine? Also from a 1-10 rating 1 being the worst and 10 being the best what would you guys rate them? (Or anybody else who has or is owning these tires)
There are better tires. Check our reviews on our website.
Ok thanks!
I have owned one of these for about 12 years now. I pull it offset behind a 2185 cadet with ag tires on it and 4' deck. I mow about an acre and a half with it . I have about 15 large pine trees and several hardwoods to mow around as well. I am covering 9' in one pass. Bettter for me than zero turn. trail mower goes under the trees, I don't. Tried it a little behind atv. All I have a sport quads. Didn't have much luck. If grass isn't too wet It will keep up with the cadet at top speed. Have replaced belt 2 times in 12 years. Have raised it up high and mowed barn lot with it. When I do something like that I usually set the tractor about 2" higher and pull it inline. If I let my yard get away from me I also pull it inline. My only real complaint is that the paint started falling off from day one. no matter that I cleaned it off and parked inside. I personally think these don't get the recognition they should for pulling with lawn tractor. But I don't find them too practical for use with atv. Neighbor has a 44" he pulls with utility atv to mow a rough one acre barn lot and it is much more suited for that purpose. I do suggest ag tires on the lawn tractor if you have banks and hills. I made a swivel out of on old heavy duty caster (removed wheel) and welded it tongue instead of ball hitch. That way I can run with trail mower over side of banks with tractor on flat and no binding at hitch pin. When you grew up pulling a discbine behind a farm tractor over a 1000+ acres a year getting use to it is a snap.
If Polaris thinks they will push Forrest service in all these jurisdictions they continue to give the finger to their customers and dealers. Too bad... they make an incredible product. We own an 800 and a WC Trail. Want to buy a 900 but cant. They will not fit through the gates in Colorado. Polaris.. thanks for screwing up our hard fought relationships with FS and making more work for those of us who work so hard to keep trails open.
I like the brake lever on the left side owned a 700 king quad and Yamaha big bear and I couldn't stand the front brake on the right handle bar wear the throttle is. its so much simpler to have the brake on the left hand bar. I love my 700 Polaris, very comfortable, and easy to operate on open logging roads and trails. good for hunting and recreation
Sadly, as we dumb down the controls for a machine we also dumb down what is required to operated a dangerous and potentially dangerous machine.
I disagree with a lot of what your saying. I like the brakes on the left side only. My Yamaha has the front break lever on the right throttle hand and it is hard for me to use because of the throttle. Polaris doesn't sit to high for today standards. just have to ride different. I would rather have ground clearance and comfortable riding suspension than fast low center corning. because I aint trying to go that fast to roll my machine, but I am going to ride it over smaller rocks and little trees. For ease of use on trails its good for a rookie rider that only uses his machine 5 to 10 times a year for hunting or logging road trail riding. the Polaris has the best control and ease of use and practical suspension. If you want to race around all crazy like, one might get something different. Polaris is setup for the average guy looking to trail ride, go hunting or work around the property. I love the 4x4, brakes, ride comfort and towing-hauling of my Polaris 700
what brand are the round mirrors you are using on the P500? Thanks
From eBay that fit a Honda CT 110.
dont these have horns on them?
It would be nice if they had horns and mirrors.
Ya, if there was more counties nation wide that allowed legal use on road ways horns blinkers and mirrors would probably come standard.
Have one and other then needing new tires, this thing is a work horse. Does not leak oil and fires up every time. I added a small wench to it. Never lets me down.
This is a great little quad. Works well on my heavily wooded property because of it's size. Power to weight ratio is good, lots of torque with a good belt in it. It's a joy to ride and very versatile. I also have an '08 Sportsman 500 HO EFI, I often opt for the Hawkeye 300 for in the woods.
Hi Doug: Nice review ! Could you tell me which différence between this kingquad 400 Fs and a Eiger 400 Fs please ? Same frame ? Same méchanical ? Same ride ? Regards
Everything's the same except the looks!
Thanks Doug !
Hi, as I asked on the other review just now - I though the Eiger had front diff lock and the KQ does not? Cheers
No locker.
bulletproof!!!