well the ignition would of been a lucas k2fc magento but now getting hard to find , and what is its engine and frame numbers has it may of been built some two years earlier
@pauldow164812 күн бұрын
Every boy should have one.
@KeverneEasonMAPP25 күн бұрын
Great work...I did the same modification on my 1949 rigid B31,bigger valves,Goldstar cams...but kept my magnito and 6volt lighting. Put a 23 engine sprocket and she goes really well! The music you used on your video I've chose the same tune on one of my videos too!
@perrystalsis55Ай бұрын
I had a 1955 M33 back in the late '70's, your video is making me want another one! 😊
@pamheazlewood92592 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation but PLEASE get rid of the background muzak!....most annoying!
@peterashley62572 ай бұрын
Errrr…..the “Muzak” is Wagner!
@nickwalker90672 ай бұрын
Why have rear set's when the tyres are flat square and no edge wear at all m.
@peterashley62572 ай бұрын
Riders of bikes capable of sustained three figure cruising speeds will understand rear sets and flatter bars.
@ianwright39713 ай бұрын
Interesting, your gearbox has the main case from an earlier WD box with later internals and outer covers...No mention of the fact that the shafts should be shimmed correctly during assembly which is an important omission....
@Cobra427Veight3 ай бұрын
Did you have any trouble getting hold of all the parts required ? .My b33 gearbox doesn't have too many issues ? , maybe an extra neutral , but I have a weird cyclic vibration , there were issues in the primary which I thought might fix it , like very tight chain , clutch basket out of alignment, worn triumph basket etc , ive made it better but it's still there a little bit , I was wondering if the bushes or bearings in the box are bad , I did find one other thing , the exhaust was jammed hard on the foot peg lug . I need to test ride see if that made a difference, Have you ever had anything similar ? Cheers
@peter2ym83 ай бұрын
BSA boxes generally are considered pretty robust. They have not had excessive power through them! Also I was told by someone older and wiser that these old 4 speed boxes should be nice and loose to work smoothly. So don't over engineer new bushes to 001" clearance. I needed a couple of new pinions because the dogs had worn and the "dovetail" no longer held the gears when engaged. Ebay is your friend. I found what I needed in Australia (I am UK based). The parts arrived in 10 days, and not expensive. Having said that, I have always managed to get parts I needed from UK suppliers.
@chrislaunders82835 ай бұрын
I think you have to remove the speedo drive to extract the layshaft, your kickstart ratchet gears are very worn, replace them.
@johnhampton53207 ай бұрын
Shouldn't a gasket or sealant be used between the casings before assembly?
@peterashley62577 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Blink and you miss it. 12.43 ish. I use Hylomar Gold here. You can just see the colour on the jointing faces and the box the tube came in.
@chrislaunders82838 ай бұрын
I have seen pushrods miss the ball end of the rocker arm and still lift the valves, I always visually check them now looking up through the exhaust rocker cover holes with a bright light.
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
You are right, Chris! I had that happen on a Triumph 500 Daytona. It ran pretty well for about 100 miles, but let go after a gave it a bigger handful! I find you can usually feel a good position if the pushrods will spin true and freely.
@allenhanford8 ай бұрын
When you say that the kickstart "slips" was there mechanical grinding that would indicate a problem with gears? I'm writing this as I prepare to fix the kick start on my BSA B33 but the slipping on it is smooth. That makes me to think the clutch is to blame.
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
It was clear to me that the slippage was in the gearbox, and not getting as far as the clutch. I could feel an initial resistance on the k/s which sometimes was good and started the bike. Other times there was a slight graunch and the k/s pushed down without the clutch spinning. As I am sure you know, if you experiment with the p/c case open it will be clear.
@davidatkinson38878 ай бұрын
Shame the owner opts for single carb / distributor ignition ? with the cafe racer parts .
@billmago79918 ай бұрын
Yep a couple of times up and down a back rode and his old bones said enough😂😂
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
Exactly! That's why it now lives with a younger/fitter chap who will use it on track as a way to get into CRMC racing! I used to race it as a single. See WWW.NortonES2.co.uk
@martinburke3628 ай бұрын
I've heard these can be quite vibey but they can outgun a Bonneville anytime
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
Agreed! I have had Bonnevilles and single carb 650/750 Triumphs. For me the Dommie/Atlas is the way to go. I always strip and build engines, and with a sensible dynamic balance these Norton engines are pretty good on vibes. On the road (3-5000RPM) you can produce a vibe free ride. On track, once you get beyond that the adrenalin takes over!
@ericlemonnier21878 ай бұрын
Le poids ?
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
Pas sûr du poids dans cette configuration. J'avais l'habitude de courir comme 500 single. Environ 145 kg. WWW.NortonES2.co.uk
@philmuskett2658 ай бұрын
Atlas, out of this world!!
@windyworm8 ай бұрын
Pretty bike!
@TR5T8 ай бұрын
I loved the factory stock Atlas it was the upgrade of the 88/99s beautiful lines mudguards, tank /seat.
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
Stock is great too! Seen my other one? kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2LqdqqcbLMlNY.html
@750triton9 ай бұрын
Where did you get the adaptor hub for the Triumph clutch please? I've only found one for the A10, which has a different main shaft taper. I need one for a B33 which has almost the same gearbox as yours
@peterashley62579 ай бұрын
Sorry! The part came with the bike. Can’t help, I am afraid. Good luck!
@davidatkinson38879 ай бұрын
If thats not an old distributor for ignition what is it ? ,I thought all 750 Atlas and ss models reverted to magneto .
@peterashley62579 ай бұрын
Yes, it is a dizzy! It’s also a Wideline. No Atlas left the factory like this. It’s also a phased crank and the Dizzy is modified accordingly.
@peterashley62578 ай бұрын
The single carb was standard on some of them, and that is how the engine arrived from USA. If it were still mine the next move would be twin carbs. The engine is interesting... lightened valve gear, and a phased crank. Consequently off-the-shelf electronic ignition not possible. I overhauled the Dizzy...shaft bearings, bob weight springs, a/r range. It runs well like this.
@dominicthompson909610 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, very helpful
@kimkleiner845610 ай бұрын
I brought one in 1977 and get this ; it was titled in New Jersey as a ' 67 days days fays Atlas. I have heard that Dunstall didn't even sell whole bikes back then..There were items rhat came on the bike that encouraged me to think maybe.? It looked absolutely terrible when i first layed eyes on her. There was this ugly seat half hanging off and was being secured byva freyed bungee cord A sissy bar maybe a foot high hung off back. Femders were kinda cool though because they didn't have any rust. They were later identified as some sort of alloy. Unfortunately they were secured with too long a bolt and. It ripped a groove that seemed at least 1/4" deep! Rims looked alloy too and spokes? Stainless steel? The frame looked like it was plated with nickel and looked like it had same shape as Comando but minus isolastic rubber. Was told it actually handled better than comando because stiffer frame. I couldn't start it with kick starter ever. Hey it was on wrong side of the bike.Seemed like it rotated the wrong way too. Wait i must be thinking of another bike. The kick starter did rotate countrrclockwise because closest i ever got to starting it jiust backfired and sent me over the ape hangers ( ok, i am embellishing now. Not true ape hangers but they had. a 8" rise) My leg hurt for several days and when i tried again it seemed like it was going to be a repeat of the painful failure from s few days ago.. Luckily my parents house was on a steep driveway so i just paddled it in the righf direction and put it in what i thought was second but musta been first and then i remembered that not only was the shifter on wrong side it was a up first then neutral through forth were all down. Started right up! Don't remember using a choke on those big amals. Just tickled them twice when bike was cold
@peter7624 Жыл бұрын
Lovely A10. Practical, good roadholding and cornering, economical and nice to look at. Sounds beautiful.
@michaelpriest5809 Жыл бұрын
How fantastic, I can't stop watching this !
@441rider Жыл бұрын
I tigged carb inlet tubes like that for my BSA singles. Allens on 441 head allows a strip in frame too. Nice bike thing of buying a es2 hill cliber project.
@InTheShedUK Жыл бұрын
Sounds & looks great! Looks like you made your own electronic ignition pickup from a Powerspark module as I did.
@derekcollins1972 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
@gren509 Жыл бұрын
I had one back in the 70's - with the standard clutch, and there was NO WAY to find neutral at a stop with a warm engine, mine too had a Commando front brake. You can't beat the classic feel of a Nailbed frame and Road-Hopper forks ;-)
@grateberk6435 Жыл бұрын
Absolute beauty. BSA nailed it with that petrol tank
@grateberk6435 Жыл бұрын
lovely bike, lovely work
@a65builder67 Жыл бұрын
hi Peter did you remember to put the spring on the timed butterfly breather as i did'nt see it? but what a lovely clean work shop i can see you take pride in your work not many of you left, kind regards Adrian.
@peterashley6257 Жыл бұрын
Yes! Spring is there. This bike had been badly built previously and one "ear" on the timed breather was broken. So the cam went together with new bits and very carefully!
@markcalder3496 Жыл бұрын
Great video, Thanks
@peterashley6257 Жыл бұрын
Cheers, Mark!
@hunterjamison4808 Жыл бұрын
I replaced worn bushes and a worn gear in my ‘51 zb31. I’m hoping I got the spacers correct. I’d heard that you check end play with out the gaskets. Did you replace the worn gear?
@kdsowen2882 Жыл бұрын
Nice ! I had the same colour, same year but a shitty-lucas magneto that left me stranded on many occasions until I had it re-wound . They informed me it had not been done properly from new ! Dave NZ
@martinburke362 Жыл бұрын
Is it true that they are vibrators even rougher than a Bonnie?
@peterashley6257 Жыл бұрын
I have two of them. They do not vibrate excessively. Comfortable at 70 - 80MPH all day. They are longer stroke, so vibes are different. Don't sound as fragile as a Bonnie at that speed...I have had a few of them too, pre-unit, unit and OIF.
@martinburke362 Жыл бұрын
@@peterashley6257 Cheers thanks for that, I suppose the taller gearing would help
@philmuskett265 Жыл бұрын
Looks -- and sounds -- like a job well done, mate!!
@jibjab351 Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@derekbunting28622 жыл бұрын
Is the bike for sale?What price is it?And does it need anything done,?Thanks
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
Hi Derek. The bike is super reliable. (I have done the whole of the Santander Rally and Wales/ Yorkshire Dales/ IOM trips without problems.Also day to day transport) The bike is advertised on Andy Tiernans site and I have just reduced the price!!! andybuysbikes.com/bikeshtml/11-05-2022bsa.html
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
andybuysbikes.com/bikeshtml/11-05-2022bsa.html
@keithmoore5224 Жыл бұрын
In the 60 s i broke a few brit bikes i did not use monograde oil be shure to use a mono 40 50
@derekbunting28622 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good ,reliable classic. I hear good stories about these BSA twins.
@shortysclassicmotorbikestr29692 жыл бұрын
Is this the same bike that’s just been for sale on Collecting Cars ?
@pdm22012 жыл бұрын
Supposedly one of the most notorious vibrators. No complaint made about this one though.
@S.K.1662 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, I can't seem to get the link working for your Triumph TR6R for sale but I live in South Australia and I'm suspecting you are in England? Wish you were close because that is my dream bike a Triumph TR6R 1968 in that colour! Regards, Sam .. Just watched this Video and you are in the U.K. I'm pretty sure. Love the Videos too! Subscribed
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, yes I am in the south of England! Unfortunately the bike has sold. I did sell a Norton 650ss to Australia 10 years ago, so its a shame we couldn't work something out. If you want to source a bike from the UK have you tried Andy Tiernan? Just google "Andy buys bikes". Mention my name if you like!
@elmerfudd10862 жыл бұрын
Very nice machine Peter. Thx for sharing her with us.
@danielbombardier12242 жыл бұрын
Le slimline est un cadre exceptionnel
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
Oui! J'en ai deux! 650SS et Atlas. J'ai aussi un Wideline cafe racer.
@johnutting96152 жыл бұрын
How is the vibration ?
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
Really quite smooth. Prefer it to my '69 T120 and '59 A10.I have a 650SS which is harsher, great bike, but more highly strung!
@lucyfuir63862 жыл бұрын
My dad has a 68 Atlas 750. He has had it for about 40 years. He got it in a Box put it together and fully restored it by ordering parts from England over many years
@guysmith31462 жыл бұрын
Lovely A10, it's not a Road Rocket though.
@peterashley62572 жыл бұрын
Built to RR spec...compression, cams, head, valves, carb, clutch, etc. Plus improvements; ignition, alternator, brake etc.
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well the ignition would of been a lucas k2fc magento but now getting hard to find , and what is its engine and frame numbers has it may of been built some two years earlier
Every boy should have one.
Great work...I did the same modification on my 1949 rigid B31,bigger valves,Goldstar cams...but kept my magnito and 6volt lighting. Put a 23 engine sprocket and she goes really well! The music you used on your video I've chose the same tune on one of my videos too!
I had a 1955 M33 back in the late '70's, your video is making me want another one! 😊
Excellent presentation but PLEASE get rid of the background muzak!....most annoying!
Errrr…..the “Muzak” is Wagner!
Why have rear set's when the tyres are flat square and no edge wear at all m.
Riders of bikes capable of sustained three figure cruising speeds will understand rear sets and flatter bars.
Interesting, your gearbox has the main case from an earlier WD box with later internals and outer covers...No mention of the fact that the shafts should be shimmed correctly during assembly which is an important omission....
Did you have any trouble getting hold of all the parts required ? .My b33 gearbox doesn't have too many issues ? , maybe an extra neutral , but I have a weird cyclic vibration , there were issues in the primary which I thought might fix it , like very tight chain , clutch basket out of alignment, worn triumph basket etc , ive made it better but it's still there a little bit , I was wondering if the bushes or bearings in the box are bad , I did find one other thing , the exhaust was jammed hard on the foot peg lug . I need to test ride see if that made a difference, Have you ever had anything similar ? Cheers
BSA boxes generally are considered pretty robust. They have not had excessive power through them! Also I was told by someone older and wiser that these old 4 speed boxes should be nice and loose to work smoothly. So don't over engineer new bushes to 001" clearance. I needed a couple of new pinions because the dogs had worn and the "dovetail" no longer held the gears when engaged. Ebay is your friend. I found what I needed in Australia (I am UK based). The parts arrived in 10 days, and not expensive. Having said that, I have always managed to get parts I needed from UK suppliers.
I think you have to remove the speedo drive to extract the layshaft, your kickstart ratchet gears are very worn, replace them.
Shouldn't a gasket or sealant be used between the casings before assembly?
Absolutely. Blink and you miss it. 12.43 ish. I use Hylomar Gold here. You can just see the colour on the jointing faces and the box the tube came in.
I have seen pushrods miss the ball end of the rocker arm and still lift the valves, I always visually check them now looking up through the exhaust rocker cover holes with a bright light.
You are right, Chris! I had that happen on a Triumph 500 Daytona. It ran pretty well for about 100 miles, but let go after a gave it a bigger handful! I find you can usually feel a good position if the pushrods will spin true and freely.
When you say that the kickstart "slips" was there mechanical grinding that would indicate a problem with gears? I'm writing this as I prepare to fix the kick start on my BSA B33 but the slipping on it is smooth. That makes me to think the clutch is to blame.
It was clear to me that the slippage was in the gearbox, and not getting as far as the clutch. I could feel an initial resistance on the k/s which sometimes was good and started the bike. Other times there was a slight graunch and the k/s pushed down without the clutch spinning. As I am sure you know, if you experiment with the p/c case open it will be clear.
Shame the owner opts for single carb / distributor ignition ? with the cafe racer parts .
Yep a couple of times up and down a back rode and his old bones said enough😂😂
Exactly! That's why it now lives with a younger/fitter chap who will use it on track as a way to get into CRMC racing! I used to race it as a single. See WWW.NortonES2.co.uk
I've heard these can be quite vibey but they can outgun a Bonneville anytime
Agreed! I have had Bonnevilles and single carb 650/750 Triumphs. For me the Dommie/Atlas is the way to go. I always strip and build engines, and with a sensible dynamic balance these Norton engines are pretty good on vibes. On the road (3-5000RPM) you can produce a vibe free ride. On track, once you get beyond that the adrenalin takes over!
Le poids ?
Pas sûr du poids dans cette configuration. J'avais l'habitude de courir comme 500 single. Environ 145 kg. WWW.NortonES2.co.uk
Atlas, out of this world!!
Pretty bike!
I loved the factory stock Atlas it was the upgrade of the 88/99s beautiful lines mudguards, tank /seat.
Stock is great too! Seen my other one? kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2LqdqqcbLMlNY.html
Where did you get the adaptor hub for the Triumph clutch please? I've only found one for the A10, which has a different main shaft taper. I need one for a B33 which has almost the same gearbox as yours
Sorry! The part came with the bike. Can’t help, I am afraid. Good luck!
If thats not an old distributor for ignition what is it ? ,I thought all 750 Atlas and ss models reverted to magneto .
Yes, it is a dizzy! It’s also a Wideline. No Atlas left the factory like this. It’s also a phased crank and the Dizzy is modified accordingly.
The single carb was standard on some of them, and that is how the engine arrived from USA. If it were still mine the next move would be twin carbs. The engine is interesting... lightened valve gear, and a phased crank. Consequently off-the-shelf electronic ignition not possible. I overhauled the Dizzy...shaft bearings, bob weight springs, a/r range. It runs well like this.
Thanks for the video, very helpful
I brought one in 1977 and get this ; it was titled in New Jersey as a ' 67 days days fays Atlas. I have heard that Dunstall didn't even sell whole bikes back then..There were items rhat came on the bike that encouraged me to think maybe.? It looked absolutely terrible when i first layed eyes on her. There was this ugly seat half hanging off and was being secured byva freyed bungee cord A sissy bar maybe a foot high hung off back. Femders were kinda cool though because they didn't have any rust. They were later identified as some sort of alloy. Unfortunately they were secured with too long a bolt and. It ripped a groove that seemed at least 1/4" deep! Rims looked alloy too and spokes? Stainless steel? The frame looked like it was plated with nickel and looked like it had same shape as Comando but minus isolastic rubber. Was told it actually handled better than comando because stiffer frame. I couldn't start it with kick starter ever. Hey it was on wrong side of the bike.Seemed like it rotated the wrong way too. Wait i must be thinking of another bike. The kick starter did rotate countrrclockwise because closest i ever got to starting it jiust backfired and sent me over the ape hangers ( ok, i am embellishing now. Not true ape hangers but they had. a 8" rise) My leg hurt for several days and when i tried again it seemed like it was going to be a repeat of the painful failure from s few days ago.. Luckily my parents house was on a steep driveway so i just paddled it in the righf direction and put it in what i thought was second but musta been first and then i remembered that not only was the shifter on wrong side it was a up first then neutral through forth were all down. Started right up! Don't remember using a choke on those big amals. Just tickled them twice when bike was cold
Lovely A10. Practical, good roadholding and cornering, economical and nice to look at. Sounds beautiful.
How fantastic, I can't stop watching this !
I tigged carb inlet tubes like that for my BSA singles. Allens on 441 head allows a strip in frame too. Nice bike thing of buying a es2 hill cliber project.
Sounds & looks great! Looks like you made your own electronic ignition pickup from a Powerspark module as I did.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
I had one back in the 70's - with the standard clutch, and there was NO WAY to find neutral at a stop with a warm engine, mine too had a Commando front brake. You can't beat the classic feel of a Nailbed frame and Road-Hopper forks ;-)
Absolute beauty. BSA nailed it with that petrol tank
lovely bike, lovely work
hi Peter did you remember to put the spring on the timed butterfly breather as i did'nt see it? but what a lovely clean work shop i can see you take pride in your work not many of you left, kind regards Adrian.
Yes! Spring is there. This bike had been badly built previously and one "ear" on the timed breather was broken. So the cam went together with new bits and very carefully!
Great video, Thanks
Cheers, Mark!
I replaced worn bushes and a worn gear in my ‘51 zb31. I’m hoping I got the spacers correct. I’d heard that you check end play with out the gaskets. Did you replace the worn gear?
Nice ! I had the same colour, same year but a shitty-lucas magneto that left me stranded on many occasions until I had it re-wound . They informed me it had not been done properly from new ! Dave NZ
Is it true that they are vibrators even rougher than a Bonnie?
I have two of them. They do not vibrate excessively. Comfortable at 70 - 80MPH all day. They are longer stroke, so vibes are different. Don't sound as fragile as a Bonnie at that speed...I have had a few of them too, pre-unit, unit and OIF.
@@peterashley6257 Cheers thanks for that, I suppose the taller gearing would help
Looks -- and sounds -- like a job well done, mate!!
Very nice.
Is the bike for sale?What price is it?And does it need anything done,?Thanks
Hi Derek. The bike is super reliable. (I have done the whole of the Santander Rally and Wales/ Yorkshire Dales/ IOM trips without problems.Also day to day transport) The bike is advertised on Andy Tiernans site and I have just reduced the price!!! andybuysbikes.com/bikeshtml/11-05-2022bsa.html
andybuysbikes.com/bikeshtml/11-05-2022bsa.html
In the 60 s i broke a few brit bikes i did not use monograde oil be shure to use a mono 40 50
Looks like a good ,reliable classic. I hear good stories about these BSA twins.
Is this the same bike that’s just been for sale on Collecting Cars ?
Supposedly one of the most notorious vibrators. No complaint made about this one though.
Hi Peter, I can't seem to get the link working for your Triumph TR6R for sale but I live in South Australia and I'm suspecting you are in England? Wish you were close because that is my dream bike a Triumph TR6R 1968 in that colour! Regards, Sam .. Just watched this Video and you are in the U.K. I'm pretty sure. Love the Videos too! Subscribed
Hi Sam, yes I am in the south of England! Unfortunately the bike has sold. I did sell a Norton 650ss to Australia 10 years ago, so its a shame we couldn't work something out. If you want to source a bike from the UK have you tried Andy Tiernan? Just google "Andy buys bikes". Mention my name if you like!
Very nice machine Peter. Thx for sharing her with us.
Le slimline est un cadre exceptionnel
Oui! J'en ai deux! 650SS et Atlas. J'ai aussi un Wideline cafe racer.
How is the vibration ?
Really quite smooth. Prefer it to my '69 T120 and '59 A10.I have a 650SS which is harsher, great bike, but more highly strung!
My dad has a 68 Atlas 750. He has had it for about 40 years. He got it in a Box put it together and fully restored it by ordering parts from England over many years
Lovely A10, it's not a Road Rocket though.
Built to RR spec...compression, cams, head, valves, carb, clutch, etc. Plus improvements; ignition, alternator, brake etc.
Remember Bob Dylan poster sitting.on one
Beautiful Norton Atlas. Sounds Great Too. 👌