This channel complements my history channel "toldinstone" and my travel channel "Scenic Routes to the Past." You'll find episodes of the Toldinstone Podcast here, along with Q & A videos, livestreams, and much more.
I wish you stayed with the items in the subway longer, it felt like you whipped past those pretty quick so they were hard to see.
@ascorvinusКүн бұрын
I recommend Eric Shanower’s Age of Bronze, which is a grounded retelling of the stories leading up to and including the Iliad. It’s beautifully drawn.
@Scott-yv2dz3 күн бұрын
There are also some current examples of South Korean pop culture incorporating Greek Mythology into stories. The Manhwa (Korean comics) for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint (first a light novel, then webtoon, soon to be anime) and Leveling With the Gods include major story elements around gods and heroes like Zeus, Persephone, Hades, Hephaestus, Herakles and more.
@OldDeathforlife3 күн бұрын
What an incredible idea to display them like this! Thanks for sharing!
@MichaelEngeldinger5 күн бұрын
An animal would never do that to a human being 😊
@freezinginferno21065 күн бұрын
That’s my prof! I had several classes with him, he and his wife (also professor at brock) just radiant their enthusiasm for history, it infectious. I love the classics department
@balikris8 күн бұрын
45 seconds and I had to stop! The speak is terrible! Maybe I should mute it
@balikris8 күн бұрын
... and just let the subtitles work!
@Pryan55779 күн бұрын
This might be the best channel on this website.
@kanrakucheese9 күн бұрын
On early Superman not being a nice person and superheros pulling from mythology: Silver Age Superman acted very much like a mythological trickster deity (albeit an ultimately benevolent one), letting Lois, Jimmy, and some other people go through terrible things (shown on the covers enough that people looking back at the era coined the term “Superdickery” for just how mean Superman looks on most of them) to teach them lessons and/or lure the bad guy(s) into a trap. I think the modern idea that Superman is “boring” comes from losing this aspect of his character (It really only shows up anymore when dealing with Mister Mxyzptlk).
@keithagn9 күн бұрын
Super interesting, and Cool interview! Thank you Matthew and Garrett!
@chriseatszombies46169 күн бұрын
Gang gang 👊
@QuantumHistorian10 күн бұрын
It took a while, but the Americans eventually realised at 37:28 that there is (modern) culture outside the USA! I was indeed chomping at the bit that Asterix and Obelix was ignored for 3/4 of a podcast on comics and ancient history. The prevalence and importance of it can hardly be overstated, not just in Francophone countries but everywhere in Western Europe (and beyond). It links everything from the idea of _"Nos ancetres les Gaulois,"_ to the French Resistance in WW2, to a pan European experience of Roman conquest in building a European identity. I'm sure that for hundreds of millions of people over 3 generations: Asterix and Obelix was their first and most determinative view of ancient Rome, the Celts, Egyptians, Greeks, etc... not to mention specific myths like the 12 tasks of Hercules. So it's nice that you eventually remembered to talk about it for 2 minutes at the end, but that doesn't even begin to explore what there is to say here - probably more than for all the others comics mentioned put together.
@Mr_Valentin.11 күн бұрын
I went to the Roman ruins of Tidis in Constantine.
@MACTEP_CHOB11 күн бұрын
I want a door knob like this ! 😆
@hsage114 күн бұрын
Did they fry themselves with olive oil? lol
@GGsInterests17 күн бұрын
Wonderful!
@chaz3217 күн бұрын
Excellent stuff toldinstone!
@R08Tam17 күн бұрын
And they'll still refer to each other as "my right honourable friend" when they're none of those things
@academicdabbler83621 күн бұрын
One correction: at 1:03 the drunk old character is Silenus, the chief Satyr(not the god Dionysus). The god himself is never protrayed as intoxicated, mad, or arosed sexually, but his followers are. Also after roughly 450 BC, the god is protrayed as young or youthful, not as an old man. He was a breaded man in art during the 7th and 6th centiries BC. The tranformation to a youth god also happens at the same time to Hermes. See for example, Walter Burkert's Greek Religion.
@nni931021 күн бұрын
watching this safely in a secure dark room away from everyone else.
@sebastianbache886221 күн бұрын
Much of this erotica is housed in a secret room at the Vatican behind a mirrored wall. I don't think its open to the public. 😂
@43arri21 күн бұрын
Censored? Prudes!
@TheVigilantEye7722 күн бұрын
Buncha preverts
@kentmilbrandt398922 күн бұрын
Just why this city was covered in ash.
@jivanvasant22 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Apparently, erotic art and literature can be found in many cultures and eras. Erotica stimulate common human needs and desires that seek satisfaction. A comparative study of erotic artifacts across cultures over time would be edifying and fascinating. Peace.
@Knightonagreyhorse22 күн бұрын
They obviously did not have the same taboos as today. The question is when did it change?
@bert-qu3iq22 күн бұрын
Everything was cool in the garden of Eden until Judeo-Christianity introduced shame and 5:22 the fig leaf. We've been an uptight, hypocritical bunch since then.
@malcolmcurran624821 күн бұрын
@@bert-qu3iq Monotheism makes unrealistic sick demands that we center all our attentions on the purity and eternity of the spirit and God and not on the transient corrupting pleasures of the flesh. And especially the shaming of women. It's Eve recall who is tempted and the corrupter and causes the Fall from grace. Adam of course was just a clueless dolt. Yes total hypocrisy down to this day. Polytheistic cultures were never that way because there wasn't one way of believing or being. One could be an initiate and practitioner of several mystery cults at once without conflict. And many were dedicated to the worship of female deities.The cult of Isis being one of the most popular in Ancient Rome.
@stefanotripi594522 күн бұрын
It is because of these ancient erotic images that the Anglo-Saxons have made up the wrong ideas about Italians, they think that we Italians are still sexually very free today, while they, the Anglo-Saxons, the North Europeans, believe they are much cleaner, more morigerate, puritans than us, the statistics on sexual diseases show a completely different reality, we Italians are much cleaner and more chaste than English, Americans, etc. These misconceptions arose from the fact that in the pagan era, paintings, mosaics, etc. were made in Italy.
@proteusnz9922 күн бұрын
Religion needs to inculcate the idea that something is ‘sinful’ which requires ‘forgiveness’ in order to stay in business. Forget religion, treat other people as you’d wish to be treated, what else do you need?
@ebenezerwoodworking361622 күн бұрын
What do you expect from idol worshipping pagans..
@63bplumb22 күн бұрын
2024 the World could be on the edge of World War and this "Piece" had to be "Censored"! Galling!
@jefftemplin77822 күн бұрын
Fay-lus? 🤔
@ralphoperaphile23 күн бұрын
"segreto" not "segretto".
@alcamerc992323 күн бұрын
Two men engaged in a wrestling match. That’s all it is in spite of what some would like you to believe. Nothing more, nothing less.
@karenburrows918423 күн бұрын
When you consider the different perceptions and beliefs of the time, nothing shown is grossly inappropriate. Context and period are everything. Some beautiful art there.
@raycope208623 күн бұрын
There's always some blow-hard that thinks they are better than we are and nore intelligent than we are. These pigs decide what we see and think and say. A bit like this awful KZread and their ilk!
@a-complished440623 күн бұрын
It just shows how stupidly prude we all became (on the outside)
@caronstout35423 күн бұрын
Temembering the NSFW tapestries and mosaics of HotD S1 Ep1-5...
@starcapture304023 күн бұрын
philodemus lived in Gadara - Roman Jordan. the roman ruins in there still survive
@hermosafieldsforever478223 күн бұрын
I cant believe penetration motifs have been censored. Ive had the good fortune to visit Pompeii, almost all of the really explicit stuff was destroyed by victorian Christians and do gooders. The few pieces of really sensual art will never be exhibited publicly. "People might get aroused" 😆😂🤣 what a joke!
@Siskos-pn7nd23 күн бұрын
These are our ancestors, the people of the world have changed little.
@tomarmstrong128123 күн бұрын
I see now where the phrase 'with all bells and whistles' comes from.
@Iknowknow11223 күн бұрын
there are indeed phallic monuments and symbols associated with the Yoruba deity Legba that bear some resemblance to the Greco-Roman Herms. In Yoruba tradition, Legba is often represented by a wooden post or pillar with a carved phallus. These phallic monuments, known as Eshu-Elegba, were erected at the crossroads and other important liminal spaces. They were seen as embodiments of Legba's role as the "opener of the way" and his power to facilitate communication and transactions between the physical and spiritual realms. Similarly, the Herms in ancient Greece were stone or wooden pillars with a carved head of Hermes on top and a phallus protruding from the base. These were placed at crossroads, entrances to buildings, and other transitional spaces, serving as markers, boundary stones, and symbols of Hermes' protective and generative powers. The presence of these phallic monuments in both Yoruba and Greco-Roman cultures suggests some fascinating parallels in the conceptualization and representation of trickster deities associated with liminality, thresholds, and the mediation between the divine and human worlds. While the specific origins and meanings of these symbols may differ somewhat between the two traditions, the overall symbolic resonance is quite striking. It's an intriguing area of comparative mythology that continues to be explored by scholars studying the cultural exchanges and cross-pollination between ancient African and Mediterranean civilizations.
@malcolmcurran624823 күн бұрын
For all the raving fun of the Bacchic rites, during the Roman Republic they became so violent, unhinged and over the top that the Roman Senate had most of the shrines destroyed and thousands of participants killed or suppressed. The rites were limited in numbers of participants under strict control and to daylight hours in 186 BCE. The decree is miraculously still extant: Senatus Consultum de Bacchanalalibus. Or see Livy's History of Rome, Book 39.8-9. However as an artistic motif and in private circumstances it fortunately doesn't seem to have dampened down much the irrepressible spirit and energy of the god. The only other mystery cult I am aware of to have similar prohibitions weighed on it, albeit for very brief periods of time despite amplified Hollywood victimization, was early Christianity for its intransigent obstinacy to accepted religious customs of the day. One can only wonder what the one's HOA would say about hanging a tintinnabulum on the front porch today.
@StevenBara23 күн бұрын
Wow those ancient people were something else, eh! What a video! Okay, I guess I'll head back and rewatch all seasons of Game of Thrones for some clean modern entertainment...
@jdsolberg761323 күн бұрын
"Erotic Art of Pompei," or how to give a Christian Nationalist a stroke.
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I wish you stayed with the items in the subway longer, it felt like you whipped past those pretty quick so they were hard to see.
I recommend Eric Shanower’s Age of Bronze, which is a grounded retelling of the stories leading up to and including the Iliad. It’s beautifully drawn.
There are also some current examples of South Korean pop culture incorporating Greek Mythology into stories. The Manhwa (Korean comics) for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint (first a light novel, then webtoon, soon to be anime) and Leveling With the Gods include major story elements around gods and heroes like Zeus, Persephone, Hades, Hephaestus, Herakles and more.
What an incredible idea to display them like this! Thanks for sharing!
An animal would never do that to a human being 😊
That’s my prof! I had several classes with him, he and his wife (also professor at brock) just radiant their enthusiasm for history, it infectious. I love the classics department
45 seconds and I had to stop! The speak is terrible! Maybe I should mute it
... and just let the subtitles work!
This might be the best channel on this website.
On early Superman not being a nice person and superheros pulling from mythology: Silver Age Superman acted very much like a mythological trickster deity (albeit an ultimately benevolent one), letting Lois, Jimmy, and some other people go through terrible things (shown on the covers enough that people looking back at the era coined the term “Superdickery” for just how mean Superman looks on most of them) to teach them lessons and/or lure the bad guy(s) into a trap. I think the modern idea that Superman is “boring” comes from losing this aspect of his character (It really only shows up anymore when dealing with Mister Mxyzptlk).
Super interesting, and Cool interview! Thank you Matthew and Garrett!
Gang gang 👊
It took a while, but the Americans eventually realised at 37:28 that there is (modern) culture outside the USA! I was indeed chomping at the bit that Asterix and Obelix was ignored for 3/4 of a podcast on comics and ancient history. The prevalence and importance of it can hardly be overstated, not just in Francophone countries but everywhere in Western Europe (and beyond). It links everything from the idea of _"Nos ancetres les Gaulois,"_ to the French Resistance in WW2, to a pan European experience of Roman conquest in building a European identity. I'm sure that for hundreds of millions of people over 3 generations: Asterix and Obelix was their first and most determinative view of ancient Rome, the Celts, Egyptians, Greeks, etc... not to mention specific myths like the 12 tasks of Hercules. So it's nice that you eventually remembered to talk about it for 2 minutes at the end, but that doesn't even begin to explore what there is to say here - probably more than for all the others comics mentioned put together.
I went to the Roman ruins of Tidis in Constantine.
I want a door knob like this ! 😆
Did they fry themselves with olive oil? lol
Wonderful!
Excellent stuff toldinstone!
And they'll still refer to each other as "my right honourable friend" when they're none of those things
One correction: at 1:03 the drunk old character is Silenus, the chief Satyr(not the god Dionysus). The god himself is never protrayed as intoxicated, mad, or arosed sexually, but his followers are. Also after roughly 450 BC, the god is protrayed as young or youthful, not as an old man. He was a breaded man in art during the 7th and 6th centiries BC. The tranformation to a youth god also happens at the same time to Hermes. See for example, Walter Burkert's Greek Religion.
watching this safely in a secure dark room away from everyone else.
Much of this erotica is housed in a secret room at the Vatican behind a mirrored wall. I don't think its open to the public. 😂
Censored? Prudes!
Buncha preverts
Just why this city was covered in ash.
Thanks for sharing. Apparently, erotic art and literature can be found in many cultures and eras. Erotica stimulate common human needs and desires that seek satisfaction. A comparative study of erotic artifacts across cultures over time would be edifying and fascinating. Peace.
They obviously did not have the same taboos as today. The question is when did it change?
Everything was cool in the garden of Eden until Judeo-Christianity introduced shame and 5:22 the fig leaf. We've been an uptight, hypocritical bunch since then.
@@bert-qu3iq Monotheism makes unrealistic sick demands that we center all our attentions on the purity and eternity of the spirit and God and not on the transient corrupting pleasures of the flesh. And especially the shaming of women. It's Eve recall who is tempted and the corrupter and causes the Fall from grace. Adam of course was just a clueless dolt. Yes total hypocrisy down to this day. Polytheistic cultures were never that way because there wasn't one way of believing or being. One could be an initiate and practitioner of several mystery cults at once without conflict. And many were dedicated to the worship of female deities.The cult of Isis being one of the most popular in Ancient Rome.
It is because of these ancient erotic images that the Anglo-Saxons have made up the wrong ideas about Italians, they think that we Italians are still sexually very free today, while they, the Anglo-Saxons, the North Europeans, believe they are much cleaner, more morigerate, puritans than us, the statistics on sexual diseases show a completely different reality, we Italians are much cleaner and more chaste than English, Americans, etc. These misconceptions arose from the fact that in the pagan era, paintings, mosaics, etc. were made in Italy.
Religion needs to inculcate the idea that something is ‘sinful’ which requires ‘forgiveness’ in order to stay in business. Forget religion, treat other people as you’d wish to be treated, what else do you need?
What do you expect from idol worshipping pagans..
2024 the World could be on the edge of World War and this "Piece" had to be "Censored"! Galling!
Fay-lus? 🤔
"segreto" not "segretto".
Two men engaged in a wrestling match. That’s all it is in spite of what some would like you to believe. Nothing more, nothing less.
When you consider the different perceptions and beliefs of the time, nothing shown is grossly inappropriate. Context and period are everything. Some beautiful art there.
There's always some blow-hard that thinks they are better than we are and nore intelligent than we are. These pigs decide what we see and think and say. A bit like this awful KZread and their ilk!
It just shows how stupidly prude we all became (on the outside)
Temembering the NSFW tapestries and mosaics of HotD S1 Ep1-5...
philodemus lived in Gadara - Roman Jordan. the roman ruins in there still survive
I cant believe penetration motifs have been censored. Ive had the good fortune to visit Pompeii, almost all of the really explicit stuff was destroyed by victorian Christians and do gooders. The few pieces of really sensual art will never be exhibited publicly. "People might get aroused" 😆😂🤣 what a joke!
These are our ancestors, the people of the world have changed little.
I see now where the phrase 'with all bells and whistles' comes from.
there are indeed phallic monuments and symbols associated with the Yoruba deity Legba that bear some resemblance to the Greco-Roman Herms. In Yoruba tradition, Legba is often represented by a wooden post or pillar with a carved phallus. These phallic monuments, known as Eshu-Elegba, were erected at the crossroads and other important liminal spaces. They were seen as embodiments of Legba's role as the "opener of the way" and his power to facilitate communication and transactions between the physical and spiritual realms. Similarly, the Herms in ancient Greece were stone or wooden pillars with a carved head of Hermes on top and a phallus protruding from the base. These were placed at crossroads, entrances to buildings, and other transitional spaces, serving as markers, boundary stones, and symbols of Hermes' protective and generative powers. The presence of these phallic monuments in both Yoruba and Greco-Roman cultures suggests some fascinating parallels in the conceptualization and representation of trickster deities associated with liminality, thresholds, and the mediation between the divine and human worlds. While the specific origins and meanings of these symbols may differ somewhat between the two traditions, the overall symbolic resonance is quite striking. It's an intriguing area of comparative mythology that continues to be explored by scholars studying the cultural exchanges and cross-pollination between ancient African and Mediterranean civilizations.
For all the raving fun of the Bacchic rites, during the Roman Republic they became so violent, unhinged and over the top that the Roman Senate had most of the shrines destroyed and thousands of participants killed or suppressed. The rites were limited in numbers of participants under strict control and to daylight hours in 186 BCE. The decree is miraculously still extant: Senatus Consultum de Bacchanalalibus. Or see Livy's History of Rome, Book 39.8-9. However as an artistic motif and in private circumstances it fortunately doesn't seem to have dampened down much the irrepressible spirit and energy of the god. The only other mystery cult I am aware of to have similar prohibitions weighed on it, albeit for very brief periods of time despite amplified Hollywood victimization, was early Christianity for its intransigent obstinacy to accepted religious customs of the day. One can only wonder what the one's HOA would say about hanging a tintinnabulum on the front porch today.
Wow those ancient people were something else, eh! What a video! Okay, I guess I'll head back and rewatch all seasons of Game of Thrones for some clean modern entertainment...
"Erotic Art of Pompei," or how to give a Christian Nationalist a stroke.