Put a diffuser in front of the oscilloscope. And see what will happen. Maybe there is a frequency dependent light emission
@Jaap7M15 күн бұрын
ooh clever. will try that, thanks!
@Davedarko25 күн бұрын
I think this will also work with a single axis - which means you effectively have some sort of stereo to mono mixdown by light going on there. I think the afterglow of the oscilloscope helps.
@CqGD4Yi8fii1CYPa26 күн бұрын
Just Test Ideas for Oscilloscope Light to Solar Panel Phenomenon: 1) Without signal to the oscilloscope, set the flat trace to the top of the screen and then slowly adjust the trace down to the bottom of the screen to see if the audio output changes. 2) Create a set of individual signals that generate small oscilloscope images (short pulses of low amplitude) , gradually increasing to large oscilloscope images (increasing number of pulses of increasing amplitude). Each level would be a discrete signal for testing. More onscreen pulses produce more light. Does the audio from each alter with the differences of overall brightness of the screen? 3) Repeat #2, but with more complex signals using a small trigger wave pulse followed by high amplitude wave pulses so as to create a large light source on the left side of the oscilloscope screen that can be moved towards the right side of the screen. In other words, a small pulse to trigger the oscilloscope followed by a short pause and then by the large set of pulses. These two sets would remain within the time limits depicted across the width of the screen, but with a variable pause length. Does the audio alter in any way? Beyond these ideas, all I can guess is an actual "pixel" amplitude change as speculated in the video. And, yes, analog oscilloscopes have no pixels. You get my meaning.
@thomasguilder928827 күн бұрын
I would assume it is through the persistence of the phosphor, fast changes generate a longer „tail of light“ than a sliwli moving dot
@SergioSalviАй бұрын
Super interesting indeed! Can you get a second oscilloscope to display the signal coming out the solar panel? I'm curious to know what it'll look like, especially if you put both oscilloscopes side by side.
@Jaap7MАй бұрын
LOL that would be fun. Three would be even better, as the first screen would be blocked by the solar panel. With three oscilloscope you can compare images :-)
@MirlitronOneАй бұрын
1. Although it's called a "phosphor", it contains no phosphorus; 2. It takes time for the phosphor screen to reach full brightness when the electron beam dwells on one point; 3. There is a difference in response of a solar cell from one isolated spot illuminated brightly compared with a large area illuminated dimly (but with the same total luminosity).
@vicemayorskeletonmeatАй бұрын
yup, the phospor reaction is the slowest piece of the chain here. along with the scope's sample rate if it's low enough, i bet it functions effectively as an LPF for the audio
@vicemayorskeletonmeatАй бұрын
but also as mentioned kind of the raster in the center of the scope display is more effectively captured by the panel than the raster at the edges of the scope display, which is how the voltage mod is communicated. you could maybe test this by offsetting the panel from the scope display, and it should have the effect of an amplitude gate
@SeanCMonahanАй бұрын
That last part is super important. Solar panels are photodiodes in series. If you have one that's four cells, and you cover one cell entirely, it'll produce far less electricity than shining a light that's 25% lower intensity at the whole panel. I'm not 100% sure on the physics behind it, but it has something to do with how diodes do not exhibit a linear correlation between voltage and current.
@SeanCMonahanАй бұрын
Fun fact: LEDs (light emitting diodes) and solar panels (photodiodes) are fundamentally the same thing. If you apply a voltage to a photodiode, it will (poorly) emit light. Likewise, shining a light on an LED will generate a small voltage! It's similar to how electric motors are also generators, though often not great ones if they're not designed to be used as them.
@vicemayorskeletonmeatАй бұрын
@@SeanCMonahan coool. which maybe means because of angled occlusion, pulling the panel fw/back even a few mm would have an exponential effect on the amplitude of the v modulation
@andy_warbАй бұрын
This was suuuuuper interesting. Is this the official start of your KZread career?
@namestream Жыл бұрын
r11-24-2022 (1.) Hi, there. (2.) Would you list each of the components used? (3.) If you would, also detail where (into which locations, positions) you placed the jumper cable pins on the bread board. (4.) At the end of the video (on the bottom towards the left) are two beige, square, flat items. What are these two things? Power sources? (5.) Thanks.
@Jaap7M Жыл бұрын
Hi, I have written a full Instructable for this project: www.instructables.com/Using-a-Solar-Panel-to-See-Sound-and-Hear-Light/ Hope that helps!
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Put a diffuser in front of the oscilloscope. And see what will happen. Maybe there is a frequency dependent light emission
ooh clever. will try that, thanks!
I think this will also work with a single axis - which means you effectively have some sort of stereo to mono mixdown by light going on there. I think the afterglow of the oscilloscope helps.
Just Test Ideas for Oscilloscope Light to Solar Panel Phenomenon: 1) Without signal to the oscilloscope, set the flat trace to the top of the screen and then slowly adjust the trace down to the bottom of the screen to see if the audio output changes. 2) Create a set of individual signals that generate small oscilloscope images (short pulses of low amplitude) , gradually increasing to large oscilloscope images (increasing number of pulses of increasing amplitude). Each level would be a discrete signal for testing. More onscreen pulses produce more light. Does the audio from each alter with the differences of overall brightness of the screen? 3) Repeat #2, but with more complex signals using a small trigger wave pulse followed by high amplitude wave pulses so as to create a large light source on the left side of the oscilloscope screen that can be moved towards the right side of the screen. In other words, a small pulse to trigger the oscilloscope followed by a short pause and then by the large set of pulses. These two sets would remain within the time limits depicted across the width of the screen, but with a variable pause length. Does the audio alter in any way? Beyond these ideas, all I can guess is an actual "pixel" amplitude change as speculated in the video. And, yes, analog oscilloscopes have no pixels. You get my meaning.
I would assume it is through the persistence of the phosphor, fast changes generate a longer „tail of light“ than a sliwli moving dot
Super interesting indeed! Can you get a second oscilloscope to display the signal coming out the solar panel? I'm curious to know what it'll look like, especially if you put both oscilloscopes side by side.
LOL that would be fun. Three would be even better, as the first screen would be blocked by the solar panel. With three oscilloscope you can compare images :-)
1. Although it's called a "phosphor", it contains no phosphorus; 2. It takes time for the phosphor screen to reach full brightness when the electron beam dwells on one point; 3. There is a difference in response of a solar cell from one isolated spot illuminated brightly compared with a large area illuminated dimly (but with the same total luminosity).
yup, the phospor reaction is the slowest piece of the chain here. along with the scope's sample rate if it's low enough, i bet it functions effectively as an LPF for the audio
but also as mentioned kind of the raster in the center of the scope display is more effectively captured by the panel than the raster at the edges of the scope display, which is how the voltage mod is communicated. you could maybe test this by offsetting the panel from the scope display, and it should have the effect of an amplitude gate
That last part is super important. Solar panels are photodiodes in series. If you have one that's four cells, and you cover one cell entirely, it'll produce far less electricity than shining a light that's 25% lower intensity at the whole panel. I'm not 100% sure on the physics behind it, but it has something to do with how diodes do not exhibit a linear correlation between voltage and current.
Fun fact: LEDs (light emitting diodes) and solar panels (photodiodes) are fundamentally the same thing. If you apply a voltage to a photodiode, it will (poorly) emit light. Likewise, shining a light on an LED will generate a small voltage! It's similar to how electric motors are also generators, though often not great ones if they're not designed to be used as them.
@@SeanCMonahan coool. which maybe means because of angled occlusion, pulling the panel fw/back even a few mm would have an exponential effect on the amplitude of the v modulation
This was suuuuuper interesting. Is this the official start of your KZread career?
r11-24-2022 (1.) Hi, there. (2.) Would you list each of the components used? (3.) If you would, also detail where (into which locations, positions) you placed the jumper cable pins on the bread board. (4.) At the end of the video (on the bottom towards the left) are two beige, square, flat items. What are these two things? Power sources? (5.) Thanks.
Hi, I have written a full Instructable for this project: www.instructables.com/Using-a-Solar-Panel-to-See-Sound-and-Hear-Light/ Hope that helps!