Hello everyone, I'm SPNG and welcome to my channel.
Here I mainly do retrospectives on the video cards of yesteryear, as I love delving into their history and benchmarking them in both modern and older applications. I try my best to provide as many facts and figures as possible while being as accurate as I can be with my data. Every once in a while I'll also try to mix things up by reviewing some other interesting pieces of PC hardware. If you're into older tech there's probably something on my channel for you. I hope you enjoy what I have to offer!
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Late, but I love the gran Turismo music.
I had one of these. I bought it for a Micron PC I had bought with onboard graphics. It was like night and day.
The Xbox was actually a Geforce4Ti4200... the problem with the Xbox is that the 733mhz CPU is BOTLENECKING!!! If you overclock the cpu to near 1ghz, the "Geforce4" of the Xbox can play the games at 720p instead of 480p, but as is a closed hardware you need to patch the games to adapt for the new cpu speed. ANYWAY, the Xbox GPU had MORE GRAPHIC EFFECTS ACTIVATED!!! Half-Life2 on the Xbox can show transparent shaders and the water at max settings with DIRECTX-9 effects... meanwhile Geforce4 on PC is limited to Directx8 thats why on your video the water looks crap on PC.
Great EVGA videocards
7800 GTX ACS3 is a big favorite of mine 😀
Ive got the 4core dual sata - with Q6700 as they are cheap - windows 7 runs good both PCIE and agp onboard at same time - but windows 10 doesnt work - yet
I would get two copies of the 128 bit version, and solder the ram onto the empty spots with one card being a donor. For the Hell of it...
It was an interesting card, but it is definitely not useful for games past 2018
Man my old HD 7950 Benchmark videos pulled combined 100k+ views back when I was 13 <3. Rocking a 4070 Super now days Wish the days when you could mow yard as a teenager and could do what you want. After taxes i spend over $1000 for my 4070s 😢 realized on not on my account @crazymicah123 ALSO this video should see way more recognition I have no idea how a 12 year old could pull 43K views off a RAW MSI after burner video. I guess the algorithm changed.
I never been a fan of AMD but recently I have been building couple of retro systems with the "bulldozer" cpus might have to make a build with the FX 6300 as well
Why did you use Windows XP, though? The XBOX had a heavily modified Windows 2000 version. Maybe try again with Windows 2000 and see if it performs exactly (or a bit better) than the XBOX?
Had the x1950xtx back in the day, card was an absolute beast.
I had a Geforce 2 Ultra back in the day, pretty much two months after it was released (at an insane £340! but I got it for £250). Great card, it handled all the latest games easily. Quake III was super smooth at 1280x1024, playable at 1600x1200. It even performed well in Morrowind. A friend of mine was still using a Geforce 2 MX 400, and it was Morrowind that made him decide to upgrade. After a LOT of benchmark checking, we settled on getting him a Radeon 8500. It looked better than the GF3, it beat MY card in every game at 32-bit colour (though mine won out in lower resolutions in 16-bit colour). Anyways, turned out to be a great buy. I always saw the 8500 as pretty much parity with the *original* GF3, and sat between the later released Ti200 and Ti500 GF3 cards.
as with some of the other commenters, I had the pci-e version and was able to run Bioshock REALLY well when it came out. actually held onto the card until like 2012-2013 rofl but eventually when it turned half my screen into fractals so I had to upgrade.
It's 2024 and I'm still using my FX6300, Gigabyte 990FX, and RAM I bought more than a decade ago, paired with a RX6600. It's bottlenecked to heck obviously, but still capable of some gaming and it still run quite smooth with very minimal problems for my daily use. I want to upgrade, but with the economy and my finances being pretty unwell, I'm just thankful the old girl still runs very well @ 4.1GhZ daily.
Titanium 4200 with 128mb ram lasted for 5 years 7 months and that time I wanted to buy mx460 with 128mb ram direct x 7 but my younger brother persuade me to buy titanium 4200 and I did because it supports direct x 8.
My secondary PC is an FX8370/ *GTX 580 3GB* (Palit) /16GB RAM/windows10 and few months ago I installed and Played Minecraft (windows edition) in this PC. Since you tested Minecraft I have to ask you : Did you benchmarked Minecraft for long-time 🤔? Initially i was using very high game-details(windows edition as said) while I was playing ,and after 30-40 minutes my PC shut-down. This was repeatable so I played Minecraft in windowed-mode and opened windows task-manager to check hardware utilization : My GTX580 3GB was hitting 100% while on those game-settings and my CPU was also stressed ,though not always 100% like the GPU. I lowered some game-settings to lower utilization ( I think GPU dropped to around 70% utilization) and the PC-shutdown stopped. Do you have any idea what was triggering the shutdown ? Was the fact that GPU was operating 100% for long time(can this trigger a PC-shutdown?🤔 ) , was it because the CPU(CPU cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 CO ) was also stressed ,though not as high as the GPU ,or was it the PSU( EVGA G3 850watt) which triggered some sort of OTP(over temperature protection) due to PCs overall heat-output (tower: Corsair Carbide series spec-03 mid-tower) ? I’m sort of lost of what exactly was triggering the PC-shutdown… --P.S. Great video by the way ... Fermi-lineup is my most nostalgic architecture(it was combined with a very good perion of my life ,so my nostalgia for Fermi is sky-high )
I have a silicon lottery 5.2 Ghz 6350 on water with a rx 480 that still runs mostly everything. its on a 990 FXA board which still fetches a heavy price used. The kids us it mostly cuz I don't want them using my rig. :)
I have fond memories of the fx chips. They got me through my college years. Started with an FX-4100 on a tiny 21inch 720p monitor paired with an HD 6870 1GB. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I experienced my first steam summer sale in Summer of 2012 thanks to this build. I would later try upgrading to an FX-8350 unfortunately it did not go as planned. I managed to bend some pins during the install and had to revert to the 4100. Not my finest hour given I was studying IT at the time lol. A friend tried bending the pins back and we did managed to get it into Windows but it kept crashing. I suspect there was still a bent pin we missed. So we just kinda gave up on it.
two graphics cards geforce 8800 ultra connect via sli cable to one nvidia quadro 6000 fermi100 6gb videoram nvidia maximus in the second computer with windows vista ultimate 64 bit because people underestimate geforce 8800 ultra
two radeon x1900 xtx crossfire I would take for windows xp
bro's french when he talks about star wars i guess 😂
Fighting a war on 🥐
The original XBOX is a hybrid Intel Pentium/Celeron 3 / 733Mhz with 64MB of RAM (upgradable to 128 by soldering 2 extra chips) and 10 or 20MB IDE HDD. I had mine like that and it run Linux. It is technically possible to mod it and upgrade to a 1.4GHZ Tualatin with a clock doubler. Microsoft deliberately crippled the XBOX to avoid having users turning it into a PC, out of fear that OEMs will be angry that they would have their own hardware. Ironically, that is exactly what Microsoft did some years later, by selling their own "surface" tablets/laptops thus directly competing with their own hardware customers. After the success of the XBMC software that turned the XBOX into a multimedia machine, there was a wave of small computers trying to win the set-top-box niche, with everyone fail, and eventually smart TVs used Android to merge the STB experience inside the TV itself, but failed to turn smart TVs into console-ready platforms until today. Not even SONY was able to do that, by offering a Playstation inside a TV. They all opted to make separate devices for the living room / home cinema experience. XBOX & Playstation could have had the "Alexa/Cortana/Siri" ability back then. I know because I developed such a platform years before Smart TVs and Smart phones even existed.
Lol this WAS my PC in 2005, minus the ssd. Great times in computing. Case modding was kicking off, and the golden age of overclocking, imo.
Dude! 775 motherboards with both PCI-E and AGP slots are super rare! Would totally love seeing videos on that
I'm jealous of the contents of that entire box, that's thousands worth if eBay listings are anything to go by, some real collector pieces.
It's insane for sure! Lots of stuff was crossed off my list that I never, ever expected to get!
@@SPNG 5950 ultra alone... Wow
You know its funny, my main rig just died and I pulled my old FX-6300 with board and RAM out of the garage and threw my (UNIRONICALLY) 5700XT and SSD onto the build. Glad to see this old girl is still capable.
8:42 Supposedly Half-Life 2 is also one of the few games to take advantage of the card's DirectX 8.1 support, it will run at mat_dxlevel 81 on the Radeon 8500 but only mat_dxlevel 80 on the GeForce3.
Yep! This is because GeForce3 lacks support for the right pixel shader version.
I had a Ti 4200 128MB from Chaintech in 2002, but this card was broken after 1 mounth. I took a Asus Ti 4400 128MB for 299€, about 60€ more than the Ti 4200, a good price. I used it (overclocked to 310MHz core and 690 MHz memory) until I have upgraded in 2003 to a Hercules 3D Prophet 9800 Pro 128MB. The 4400/4600 cards also have a better quality PCB than the Ti4200 cards. Only Asus had a special 4200 128MB with the 4400/4600 PCB and faster BGA memory chips.
This card was pretty good if you wanted to get flagship performance for cheap, almost all 4400s should be capable of doing 4600 speeds! Pretty cool that you could more or less get a top of the line card for upper mid range money.
*Goodie box! :)*
I don't know if the board would support it, but could be worth looking for the core 2 duo e7600 for a 3.0 ghz cpu with 1066 mhz fsb, as the core 2 quad q6600 works it probably has a modded bios that added in a bunch of extra cpu microcode. If you happen to have any E7xxx series core 2 duo around test that one first in the board too see if you have the cpu microcode for them before buying one in that case. It should be basically on par with the core 2 duo e8400 so plenty of cpu performance for testing agp cards instead of a bit worse single core performance of the core 2 quad q6600 at 2.4 ghz. Also not sure if the board would do ok with the bsel pad mod too 1333 fsb on the core 2 quad q6600, but that might also work & then disabling 2 cpu cores in windows too spare the motherboard a bit while getting faster single core performance.
Good idea, I do have an E7500 so I could try it out in there to see if it'll work! Alternatively I also have an E6700 if I want to squeeze out a little bit more single core performance, I don't think I'll see much benefit with 4 cores in older games.
@@SPNG By the time you do the gpu's will probably hold the system back anyway for those benchmarks, we're talking like Far cry 2, Crysis 64 bit & the orange box version of half-life 2 here around the end of the Direct X 9 era for benchmarking on a quad core. Speaking of which I'd say 3dmark2001se, 03, 05, blastfromthepast's Opposing Force Benchmark & maybe Doom 3 or Quake 4.
"some pretty amazing stuff in here that I'm really excited to check out on the channel and I think you will be too" man im excited for anything on this channel
I'm really glad 😄
I had that Asrock Dual mobo back in the day... it really helped transition my old system with AGP and DDR to the newer PCIE/DDR2 standard
Seems like the typical use case for them, they ended up becoming awesome retro boards!
Oohh, very nice. I just got a pair myself of the same line of corsair ram, only mine are 2x1gb pc3500 cl 2-3-2-6. They are so damn cool, went into my main 939 winxp gamer with a glass sidepanel. What a score you got there, the x800/850 cards are indeed getting hard to find without going broke. I have a x800xl 512mb as my only 800 series card. Can't wait for the reviews!
Sounds like a super sweet build, I need to do something like that with them! These are two 512MB sticks so maybe something on the older side... And yeah for the longest time X850/X850 cards were completely unobtainium for me due to the inflated prices, so glad they're finally crossed off the list.
I still reserve the right to first dibs!! lol it really tickles me that these parts went to someone that can really appreciate them. ☺
Aaaw 🤩 Cool that you did an unboxing. I did not expect that. I'm glad you like the stuff. I'm already working on more supplies for you, but that will probably take a while...😅 anyway, thank you very much for accepting my donation. I'm always happy to help if I can.🤗
I thought I'd show a little preview of all the stuff! Thank you very very much for sending everything over, might take me a while to get to everything but videos are coming! It'll be fun to see everything in action 😄
You really did an awesome deed here!
Maybe you can change the cooler from the x850 AGP to the PCI x850XT PE, I think they are the same! ;)
It should work! I just don't want to spend the time swapping coolers every time I test one or the other 😕
but but.... the x850 AGP is a much cooler card...
Thx Chris for that huge donation to all of us basically, because thanks to you now we could expect even more interesting content 👏
Yeah kudos to him! Excited to check all of this stuff out in videos 😀
Wow great stuff ❤
loven it! such a great channel, I could see you being fairly big one day!
Hope you all enjoy the unboxing. This is definitely more of a raw video, I'm still pretty bad at unscripted stuff so excuse the repetitive commentary haha. Let me know what you guys are most interested in seeing next.
I get you, I'm the same, I just go with the flow and then cringe when I play it back lol
I put in a powercolor 8500 into my Athlon 10000. Upgrading from an nvidia card. Never had any issues with it.
That would have been a nice combo for the time 👍
it was a flop during making its was a flop when it released and its pure garbage now
I’ve got a 4200ti and a 4600ti, I didn’t know that I wanted a 4400ti until I saw this video.
I'm happy with my 4200 but some people have a soft spot for this card, I can understand why given it can easily reach a 4600 in clock speeds!
Good build overall however if I were you, I would use a Radeon R5xx instead, ATI is faster and have better image quality with a dedicated X-FI sound card. Talking about Os i would pick Windows 2000SP4.
Check the follow up video I did on this system, I think you'll like it 😄
I remember those days. What a poor period for a low budget build. I was lucky enough to buy a HD2900GT 256mb for 70€ that was probably around 50$. Not my best GPU ever but better than these two. Ps: if I were you, i would not use a GeForce 8600GTS without the PEG connector. You will kill your mainboard. Believe it.
Yeah... for a little while it was the dark ages for mid-range parts, kind of funny given (at least NVIDIA's) high end parts were held in much higher regard at the time! When the 8800 GT and HD 3850 came out things got so much better in that segment, but I would be so disappointed with the performance if I had gotten one of these cards back in the day. A 2900 GT would have been a decent cut above these cards for sure. And thanks for the tip, I saw a few other people mentioning that as well 😬
Dude this is soooo fricken good would to see more videos like this! Subbed!
Much appreciated man, welcome to the channel 🙂
How did you delid it? Also whats the name of the cooler you have?
It came like that when the viewer sent it. Not sure how he did it, but there should be a few old guides online if you want to find out how. The cooler was just a Phenom II stock cooler by AMD
I built a ultimate 05 pc, a 2GHZ AMD x2 OCED to 2.3, 3GB of ram, a tsunami dream case from thermal take and (7950GT originally) upgraded to a 8800gtx
well i do think games are kind of cherrypicked, except for cyberpunk i'd say that there is no game as demanding here... there are no 2023 tittles, and GTAV its just a 2015 game... a game of the era in which Fx cpus were aging but still on sell brand new. In fact, it was only in 2017 the 1st gen Ryzen replaced the 7yr run of the Fx (Bulldozer and Vishera) CPUs back into fx6300, the six-core CPU wasn't that good at stock, but had a huge OC potential, so it was a very good bargain to buy it with a 970 board and a Hyper 212, and made it 4.3/4.5ghz which was very doable at safe temps if half decent case cooling was in the mix. That way Fx6300 was superior to 2nd/3rd gen i3 and near low tier i5 in games, but on pair with i5 on some productivity tasks. That being said, the Fx cpus didn't do well on Dx11 games, ever, so by 2016 when Vulkan and Dx12 started to became mainstream, the AMD cpus gained kind of a new life as valuable 2nd tier budget CPUs for the used market... But now in 2024... i think that ship has sailed... you can't really expect for an Fx6300 to handle a GPU better than a 1050Ti without a lot of bottleneck except on cherrypicked games. At this point the only realistic Fx cpu able to handle some decent gaming is Fx8350/8370 (and the rare and dumb Fx9370 and Fx9590) that can be paired (with some struggle) with GPUs in the order of a GTX 1060 6gb or Rx 580 8gb (but more realistic would be the Rx570 insted). I know it since i had my Fx8350 with an Rx 570 4gb (which was replaced at march 2023 with an Rx 580 4gb) and 16gb of ram as main rig since 2017 (originally purchased in 2016 with an R7 370 4gb) up to feb. 2024. So i know in detail how much the Fx8350 barely hold with an Rx 580 using all its 8 cores at 4.0ghz, which was aliviated the times i OCd it to 4.4ghz (good improvement but not worth the risk). So... to all looking at an Fx 6300... yes... it will serve you well as an improved ofimatic CPU (way better than Phenoms, Celerons, Pentiums i3 and AMD APUS of the DDR3 era) that might allow some pro-user features like a lot of tabs in Chrome and multitasking... that will allow for modest gaming purposes (some indy, older and MOBA games will run fine with a GTX1050ti) and able to get some upgradepath (Fx8350) but don't expect it to compete with anything in the Ryzen lineup... and by the time an R3 1200 enters the debate with a DDR4 mobo with more modern features like PCIE-3, maybe nvme m.2 slot and the upgrade path for up to Ryzen 5000.. there's no point in this Fx cpu (or anyone to be honest) no matter the prize, since a 1st gen low tier Ryzen with an A320 or even B350 mobo its quite cheap this days
Games are definitely something I'm gonna work on for the next video. I want to get ahold of a really proper suite but new games are expensive 😅 It's the main thing stopping me from doing the follow up video. Gonna be taking a look at a bit more than the FX 6300 as well, you may be surprised 👀 The point wasn't to suggest this CPU as a viable budget option for modern games, rather if someone is still hanging onto them these days maybe they should consider waiting a little longer before an upgrade. I still think these CPUs do better than most people think.
Great video ! Just wondering if this driver speed improvement is still significant on period correct hardware like an Athlon (Thunderbird / Palomino), Pentium 3 (Coppermine / Tualatin), Pentium 4 (Willamette / Northwood) The Athlon64 X2 is faster and supports more features than previous generations CPUs. For instance, Pentium 3 supports MMX and SSE while the K8 Athlon64 x2 supports MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and have 2 cores. The 2005 driver build could be newer enough to take advantage of some of these features to increase the performance gap. (As 2 cores cpu entered the consumer market in 2005, the same year that the driver you're using. And SSE2 and 3 were already here for a year or two already) I really love this short early programmable shaders era. With a DirectX release every year. Things were moving fast. Games had multiple rendering paths because DX7 class cards were (and would remain) widespread for years. DX8 lifespan was short in comparison. With only ATI R2xx, Nvidia GF3/4ti (and not to forget Matrox Parhelia).