So a plagiarist thief managing a church for tax breaks. You have far greater leniency than i in granting the benefit of the doubt to ascribe him ignorance rather than painting him as an obvious scammer looking to make a quick buck off rebranding open projects and ill informed customers.
@araworn2141Күн бұрын
Just started playing BF solo after my last game of DnD 40yrs ago. Loving it !!! I get hard copies which is great. My question is, is there BF version of DnD's "Dieties and Demigods" ? If not, is there a suitable (cheap) alternative ? Im not paying $60+ for an old DnD version. Thanks to anyone that answers.
@ChrisGonnermanКүн бұрын
There isn't a standard book like that, but it's been discussed. As always, the best way to find this stuff out is to join us at www.basicfantasy.org/forums and ask!
@araworn2141Күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Thank you for responding.
@MarkCMG7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video! I just did a video on my own channel discussing the 1E AD&D DMG section on Progression on the Combat Tables including an explanation of the repeating 20s.
@ChrisGonnerman7 күн бұрын
Excellent, then I don't need to explain it. Do you have a link?
@jocool46067 күн бұрын
Thank you for a very good explanation for why different versions have different values for descending AC. The Basic Fantasy '20 minus' design choice is clearer now and one I appreciate. I joined the hobby long after ascending AC was implemented, and 'to-hit' tables will always feel like unnecessary complications for me.
@Malcadon7 күн бұрын
Oh good. At least the MM was not gaslighting me. LOL (I started out in D&D in the late-'80s with Modva'sy Basic as my PHB, and I also had the MM and DMG, so at the time I was a little confused by "AC 10", among other things) Years ago, in my games, I did (more or less) the same with Basic Fantasy by issuing out Attack Bonuses. In may case, I issued out +1 AB to 1st level Fighters while Magic-Users and Thieves get nothing to reflect their lack of combat ability at low level. Also, dont get me started on Saving Throws! (More so, the differences B/X and AD&D. LOL)
@mr7oclock3467 күн бұрын
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@NemoOhd207 күн бұрын
Yeah... I don't care that much about + or - 1. Thanks for the video. Love your work. I will say that "miss, miss, miss, miss" is a Boring Ass Game.
@ChrisGonnerman7 күн бұрын
Not at all sure what that last is even talking about...
@NemoOhd207 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman High AC or "to hit" numbers are boring. Miss. Miss. Miss.
@BScalise977 күн бұрын
Great video! Thank you for choosing Ascending AC haha
@direden12 күн бұрын
Basic Fantasy is an amazing gift to the community. Thank you for your outstanding work! The Gothic Church is a severe disappointment to the D&D/OSR community.
@TravisLegge12 күн бұрын
I'm sorry to hear about this situation. it's pretty gross. I was a prolific creator in the OGL space (and am the developer of Odysseys & Overlords), and over the years I've seen a few people crank out products that were technically legal, but certainly morally sketchy. I quit using the OGL and have shifted my attention to Savage Worlds and a few of the Free League licenses, but I just wanted to extend my sympathies and my hats off to you for your hard work on Basic Fantasy!
@ChrisGonnerman12 күн бұрын
Thanks man. Nice to hear from you!
@TravisLegge12 күн бұрын
Likewise! I hope the amazon situation gets sorted quickly!
@ChrisGonnerman12 күн бұрын
@@TravisLegge Two days ago, on Wednesday the 10th. Took more than two weeks for the last one, and I don't know that it won't happen again.
@TravisLegge12 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman That's awful. You'd think once they got it cleared up that would be it!
@ChrisGonnerman12 күн бұрын
@@TravisLegge As of right now I know that each format of each book has a separate "infringement claim" flag of some kind. I don't know if resolving the claim removes it, but you'd think that's how it should work. I have not updated the standard format 4thEd hardback yet, so it may still be flagged from before.
@CTMcGrew13 күн бұрын
I went into Half Price Books and they were selling a used paperback Basic Fantasy 4th edition core rulebook for $25. Greedy or ignorant?
@ChrisGonnerman12 күн бұрын
@@CTMcGrew ignorant, I guess.
@CTMcGrew12 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman They were also selling a very damaged copy of Gurps 4th edition Basic Set for almost new prices. They had a new kiosk of current D&D books prominantly featured in the store, and a lot of the RPG books were in a locked case, so I'm guessing management is seeing RPGs as a hot money maker right now. I was really angry when I saw the price they put on your book. I want more people to experience the generousity and creative community that you have built around BF. Well to end positive, these folks charging so much for your game testifies to it's high quality.
@benitopulatso663713 күн бұрын
I just bought the BFRPG books on Amazon. All of them (I think) between two orders. Even with free pdfs, I like physical books in hand and on shelf. And you can't beat the price. I hope this helps!
@ChrisGonnerman13 күн бұрын
Kind words are always appreciated, but honestly since we sell almost at cost, sales aren't the main way people contribute. The best way to contribute to the Project is to join the forum and share your stuff!
@phillipmerritt142813 күн бұрын
It sound like a great place to be. But it is too far for me. Good luck
@ChrisGonnerman13 күн бұрын
Sorry to hear that. What part of the planet do you call home?
@scottmorgan521213 күн бұрын
This really sounds fun, and I hope I can make it. It comes down to my daughter getting off work for those days as she is my ride (and would also play) I will GM as much as you need if I can make it.
@robbabcock_13 күн бұрын
I'm not active at the Forum all the time but I still drop by a couple times per week. I suppose a forum is kind of a rolling Turing Test!😂
@toddlyons14 күн бұрын
Anyone too lazy to pick out 100+ unique monster images to swap into their stolen text will never have the gumption to write 30 to 50 thousand words for an adventure or source book.
@ChrisGonnerman14 күн бұрын
The amazing thing to me is the amount of work Madison Brooks DID do, while at the same time doing nothing original... what a waste.
@user-up4ii7vl9c14 күн бұрын
Would love to help you out but Live in Canada all the best .If you come to Toronto Canada any time please let me know. Great Game please keep up the great work Thank you Again
@ChrisGonnerman14 күн бұрын
Just a bit too far from that part of Canada, but it does sound like fun!
@user-up4ii7vl9c14 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Would like to find others in my area to play with but not as of yet I have to play with my wife and other family in Manitoba and Alberta Love the game as I have played D&D for 50 years but when I came across this game I love the price and the really open licensed model . I noticed your Linux books so I get the fact you understand the concepts . As a programmer myself I've always loved the idea working together to create and share . Keep up the great work and thank you very much .
@ChrisGonnerman13 күн бұрын
@@user-up4ii7vl9c I know some other Canadian BFRPG fans, but I also know that Canada is big so there's no way of knowing if they are close or not.
@user-up4ii7vl9c13 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Ya it is a large area I'm not sure Todd Lyons lives I think in Toronto area going to try and see if he runs games or wants to set one up . LOvr your stuff and the great team youhave created may in the future have a adventure to submit to you will let you know thanks again Drew
@Eron_the_Relentless14 күн бұрын
Luckily I'm already on the forums. I have a copy of BFRPG3E that's got the glossy cover peeling off (all along the edge). I also have not used it much, It's mostly sat on a shelf. So I don't think it's specifically an issue for matte covers. Probably just a side effect of the PoD process.
@ChrisGonnerman14 күн бұрын
Huh. I've seen covers physically break down from a lot of use, but this is the first coating peel I've seen on an otherwise pristine book.
@chriswolfmeyer872914 күн бұрын
Alara is a realm in Magic the Gathering
@ChrisGonnerman14 күн бұрын
I didn't know that... but the name I mentioned was actually Elara. In my research of AI, trying to learn how to recognize it better, I've discovered it really likes names that start El- and Elara shows up a lot.
@bjornh466414 күн бұрын
"Bishop"? More like "Parasite".
@Darkestdarkify16 күн бұрын
I aspire to your level of calmness when dealing with this.
@ChrisGonnerman16 күн бұрын
Thanks. It was a journey to get here.
@theyawningowlbear675817 күн бұрын
Also, if what I typed angered or offended, you will get over it. I'm not buying a game to be preached to. If common sense is too complicated a subject for you, find a different hobby.
@ChrisGonnerman14 күн бұрын
Funny. A good application of common sense would be to realize I'm not worried about anyone buying the game.
@theyawningowlbear675817 күн бұрын
Im not buying into this woke, bs. It's topics like this and other snowflake ideas that kill a lot of IPs and company projects. Just to name a few... 40K, Star Wars, DC, Marvel, and even grand wizards of the coast who destroyed dnd since 4e. All their books are just chock full of this modern rhetoric, and its the primary reason why they complain when fans and customers dont buy their stuff. Common sense methods, such as pulling the gm aside and layout your concerns, are and always have been the way me and my group and I have done things since i first got into ttrpgs. There was none of this checklist, or hold up an X card crap. If you were that immature, you could not voice the opinion as a group, or were that sensitive, maybe this game, or, at the very least, that group was not for you. Seriously, you see this being spouted from more of these nutjobs who want "fluidity" and "pronouns."" Thankfully, I've walked away from any group that gave off this vibe, and over time, they all fell apart in weeks. Chris, I love your work and have MANY of your books, both pdf and physical. Please keep it as neutral as possible. I've dropped many a product because they felt they had to bend the knee. I'd hate to have to add this to the pile.
@ChrisGonnerman17 күн бұрын
The only thing in all of that mess you just posted that bothers me in any way is the idea that I might have "felt (I) had to bend the knee." I don't, and never have. If I said it, I personally believe in it... I'm not conforming to anyone else's standard.
@joecoo461517 күн бұрын
Consent in rpg's is detrimental If you need to have work sheets to run a make believe other than your character sheet.... GET OUT THE HOBBY. It's not an ist, or phobic, it's common sense!!!
@ChrisGonnerman17 күн бұрын
I'd argue with you, but I've already made my case.
@theyawningowlbear675817 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Keep going down the woke path, and we will see how your case sounds then.
@ChrisGonnerman17 күн бұрын
@@theyawningowlbear6758 I'm not sure what you mean. How is it going to hurt me? The game is literally sold about as close to cost as I can get; I'm not trying to make money from it. So if it did hurt sales, I seriously would not care. But so far it hasn't; in fact, the only time sales were better was when WoTC tried to kill the OGL (which improved basically everyone's sales). So we can just say that I'm not worried. I am amazed how I managed to trigger you though.
@JacksonOwex19 күн бұрын
So this Demons and Dragons just took the BFRPG rules, put a different cover on it?! That's almost as bad as the theft that WotC/Hasbro was trying to commit with their new license last year!
@David-su4is19 күн бұрын
Sorry this is happening to you again.
@MagneticDavid20 күн бұрын
I'm so sorry you had to deal with this issue. Rest assured, I WON'T support anything from the offending company. I do my best to support the ACTUAL creators. Please post if there is anything else we can do to support you. Thank you for all you do to support this hobby of ours.
@harmonicaman7920 күн бұрын
I'll be honest...I never liked the original covers and it turned me off to the BFRPG system when I was browsing systems. This new cover art is much more appealing. But now that I'm invested in the system, I'm fine with the original covers.
@ianwarren130120 күн бұрын
This is so frustrating to hear about, let alone having to go through it! If it's any consolation, I've just ordered a number of your Basic Fantasy books off of Amazon.
@MarkCMG20 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video! That outfit is run by a scurrilous knave.
@Indestructoboy21 күн бұрын
It appears to have been taken down from DriveThruRPG
@ChrisGonnerman20 күн бұрын
Yes, as of right now, all Gothic Games titles have been removed.
@JacksonOwex19 күн бұрын
That's good to hear!!!
@MoondragonsEyrie21 күн бұрын
Basic Fantasy is my all time favorite TTRPG from 43 years of gaming. It it infuriates me that someone stole your exact material and are selling it for a profit when you offer your game for free for the PDf or just above cost for print copies. I so agree with you, it might be legal but it is SO morally wrong. I am SO sorry this has been done to you. It stinks. I am so disappointed in RPG DriveThru as well.
@ChrisGonnerman21 күн бұрын
Actually DriveThruRPG seems to be taking action. Now if I could just get Amazon to move on my response to the last infringement claim.
@alca602321 күн бұрын
Thanks for letting us know not to buy this product. This sucks and isn't okay. I know how much work was put into this game.
@tubebobwil21 күн бұрын
I have enjoyed Basic Fantasy and the incredibly open approach. These Gothic bozos have violated every good faith principle that makes the hobby healthy and ethical. Thank you for taking the time to give us a detailed description of what they've done.
@sumdude428121 күн бұрын
IndestructBoy sent me. Sub'd. I buy your stuff off Amazon, hardcover. Glad I found you.
@ChrisGonnerman21 күн бұрын
Welcome!
@davidrobertson599621 күн бұрын
Can't see it on DriveThruRPG just now, Chris. I see their ripoff of Traveller, "Wayfarer", and half a dozen others. After your previous videos, I bought print copies of some of your stuff, despite having the free PDFs from your website. Sorry they're still acting in bad faith. Great game, BFRPG. Thanks for putting it out there.
@TenkarsTavern21 күн бұрын
Demons & Dragons has been removed from the DTRPG webstore
@ferretnuclear21 күн бұрын
I have the same thing going on with one of my 'freebies' based on the old Open D6 licence... sigh...
@stillmattwest21 күн бұрын
Hey, I have an idea for Gothic Games. It's a little out of the box. How about instead of running a scam you actually try to add value for players? Just a thought.
@rynowatcher22 күн бұрын
I like the measured stance you took with it, and i do not have an issue with them in theory. I just do not think they work all that well for what they tend to be used for. It is trying to garentee a result in a conversation before talking to the other people; ie, i can not have any plans to have children getting hurt, but the party might capture the bad guy's kid and decide it is a wiz bang idea to hold them randsom. Is that violence, do they expect to have the npc not try to escape so they are not "forced" to stop them, and does that mean they are not going to smash those dragon eggs? This involves a conversation that probably needs to happen as it comes up, but the checklist gives an impression that is not nessicarily shared with the members of the group. It is why everyone still argues about allignment.
@LB_adventurer22 күн бұрын
Enough is enough, you need to take that guy to court. Speak to a lawyer and see if you have a civil case (the criteria is much lower.) I love the Basic Fantasy RPG and you should fight to protect all of your hard work. It's one thing to use your generic mechanics, it's a whole other thing to reprint your work font for font. Take him to court and take him for everything.
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
First I'd have to find Madison Brooks. It's harder than it looks. Also, apparently a Canadian citizen.
@LB_adventurer21 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman it can be done if your lawyer feels it's worth it, there are a lot of ways to track people down very fast
@GrandNagusEli22 күн бұрын
I'm sorry you still have ro deal with this. Ill buy a copy of Basic Fantasy RPG this weeked.
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GrandNagusEli21 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman I found out about your situation from an Indestructaboy video. I just want to do my part to spread positivity and boost smaller creators
@sharpmountaingames930322 күн бұрын
Again, sorry to hear that this is STILL going on. Hopefully EVERYONE will stay away from this rip-off. I think there's something written on an old stone tablet about not stealing.
@disciple01222 күн бұрын
Also, I like that Basic Fantasy shirt. Do you have any for sale somewhere?
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
Well I did, but now I'm not finding it. Hmm. It wasn't that long ago that I bought the one in the video. ... AH, it's here: www.cafepress.com/shop/basicfantasy/products?designId=110108396
@disciple01222 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Thanks. They don't have a large enough size for me. Might buy a pack of those stickers and toss one on my gaming bag or a pin for my vest, though!
@ChrisGonnerman21 күн бұрын
@@disciple012 Thanks! I might have to try another vendor, if size is an issue.
@disciple01221 күн бұрын
@@ChrisGonnerman Would probably be hard to find one that does my size. I'm a big guy. I wear 6x.
@ChrisGonnerman21 күн бұрын
@@disciple012 Ah, I see the problem. Sorry man.
@disciple01222 күн бұрын
Tried searching for it on DTRPG and nothing came up. Checked Google and a link for it came up, but when I clicked on it, I was taken to a "Your loot is in another cave..." page, so it looks like DriveThruRPG took it down.
@HangryDwarfPress22 күн бұрын
Hats-off to you for your approach to this situation. And I'm looking forward to supporting YOU in your publishing efforts.
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
Let me point out here that buying our books is definitely optional. We give it all away for free in digital format, and make almost nothing from the sales. For the Basic Fantasy Project, "contributing" is done not with money but with time and talent. But hey, if you want the books, let me not stand in your way, and thanks!
@Mop-Tollsy22 күн бұрын
Poor Odran ):
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
I mean, he was kind of a snake... he might have gotten what he deserved.
@Mop-Tollsy22 күн бұрын
Yes, probably true, the poor guy just had a rough 12 or so years.
@Korroth22 күн бұрын
This is an unfair level of aggravation for you. What’s wrong with people?
@enriquekahn940522 күн бұрын
I think studying real religions is useful for inspiration to make in-game religions more interesting, not necessarily to create an exact parallel. For example, early European travelers considered Tibetan Buddhists to be demon worshipers because Tibetans would propitiate the representations of "bad" things such as natural disasters in the hope that these spirits would be pacified; this gives us a motivation for the Evil Cult that is much more relatable to the players than "bad cultists worship bad god because they're bad" and gives a plot hook for the party to find a different (and hopefully more permanent solution) to a Famine Spirit visiting the remote village.
@john-lenin22 күн бұрын
I don’t know what license you’re using but most licenses say they can use the content but they can’t use the formatting because that’s copyrighted.
@ChrisGonnerman22 күн бұрын
That's not exactly how it works. No, this is more or less legal as Brooks has done it. It's just wrong, and foolish.
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So a plagiarist thief managing a church for tax breaks. You have far greater leniency than i in granting the benefit of the doubt to ascribe him ignorance rather than painting him as an obvious scammer looking to make a quick buck off rebranding open projects and ill informed customers.
Just started playing BF solo after my last game of DnD 40yrs ago. Loving it !!! I get hard copies which is great. My question is, is there BF version of DnD's "Dieties and Demigods" ? If not, is there a suitable (cheap) alternative ? Im not paying $60+ for an old DnD version. Thanks to anyone that answers.
There isn't a standard book like that, but it's been discussed. As always, the best way to find this stuff out is to join us at www.basicfantasy.org/forums and ask!
@@ChrisGonnerman Thank you for responding.
Thanks for the video! I just did a video on my own channel discussing the 1E AD&D DMG section on Progression on the Combat Tables including an explanation of the repeating 20s.
Excellent, then I don't need to explain it. Do you have a link?
Thank you for a very good explanation for why different versions have different values for descending AC. The Basic Fantasy '20 minus' design choice is clearer now and one I appreciate. I joined the hobby long after ascending AC was implemented, and 'to-hit' tables will always feel like unnecessary complications for me.
Oh good. At least the MM was not gaslighting me. LOL (I started out in D&D in the late-'80s with Modva'sy Basic as my PHB, and I also had the MM and DMG, so at the time I was a little confused by "AC 10", among other things) Years ago, in my games, I did (more or less) the same with Basic Fantasy by issuing out Attack Bonuses. In may case, I issued out +1 AB to 1st level Fighters while Magic-Users and Thieves get nothing to reflect their lack of combat ability at low level. Also, dont get me started on Saving Throws! (More so, the differences B/X and AD&D. LOL)
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Yeah... I don't care that much about + or - 1. Thanks for the video. Love your work. I will say that "miss, miss, miss, miss" is a Boring Ass Game.
Not at all sure what that last is even talking about...
@@ChrisGonnerman High AC or "to hit" numbers are boring. Miss. Miss. Miss.
Great video! Thank you for choosing Ascending AC haha
Basic Fantasy is an amazing gift to the community. Thank you for your outstanding work! The Gothic Church is a severe disappointment to the D&D/OSR community.
I'm sorry to hear about this situation. it's pretty gross. I was a prolific creator in the OGL space (and am the developer of Odysseys & Overlords), and over the years I've seen a few people crank out products that were technically legal, but certainly morally sketchy. I quit using the OGL and have shifted my attention to Savage Worlds and a few of the Free League licenses, but I just wanted to extend my sympathies and my hats off to you for your hard work on Basic Fantasy!
Thanks man. Nice to hear from you!
Likewise! I hope the amazon situation gets sorted quickly!
@@TravisLegge Two days ago, on Wednesday the 10th. Took more than two weeks for the last one, and I don't know that it won't happen again.
@@ChrisGonnerman That's awful. You'd think once they got it cleared up that would be it!
@@TravisLegge As of right now I know that each format of each book has a separate "infringement claim" flag of some kind. I don't know if resolving the claim removes it, but you'd think that's how it should work. I have not updated the standard format 4thEd hardback yet, so it may still be flagged from before.
I went into Half Price Books and they were selling a used paperback Basic Fantasy 4th edition core rulebook for $25. Greedy or ignorant?
@@CTMcGrew ignorant, I guess.
@@ChrisGonnerman They were also selling a very damaged copy of Gurps 4th edition Basic Set for almost new prices. They had a new kiosk of current D&D books prominantly featured in the store, and a lot of the RPG books were in a locked case, so I'm guessing management is seeing RPGs as a hot money maker right now. I was really angry when I saw the price they put on your book. I want more people to experience the generousity and creative community that you have built around BF. Well to end positive, these folks charging so much for your game testifies to it's high quality.
I just bought the BFRPG books on Amazon. All of them (I think) between two orders. Even with free pdfs, I like physical books in hand and on shelf. And you can't beat the price. I hope this helps!
Kind words are always appreciated, but honestly since we sell almost at cost, sales aren't the main way people contribute. The best way to contribute to the Project is to join the forum and share your stuff!
It sound like a great place to be. But it is too far for me. Good luck
Sorry to hear that. What part of the planet do you call home?
This really sounds fun, and I hope I can make it. It comes down to my daughter getting off work for those days as she is my ride (and would also play) I will GM as much as you need if I can make it.
I'm not active at the Forum all the time but I still drop by a couple times per week. I suppose a forum is kind of a rolling Turing Test!😂
Anyone too lazy to pick out 100+ unique monster images to swap into their stolen text will never have the gumption to write 30 to 50 thousand words for an adventure or source book.
The amazing thing to me is the amount of work Madison Brooks DID do, while at the same time doing nothing original... what a waste.
Would love to help you out but Live in Canada all the best .If you come to Toronto Canada any time please let me know. Great Game please keep up the great work Thank you Again
Just a bit too far from that part of Canada, but it does sound like fun!
@@ChrisGonnerman Would like to find others in my area to play with but not as of yet I have to play with my wife and other family in Manitoba and Alberta Love the game as I have played D&D for 50 years but when I came across this game I love the price and the really open licensed model . I noticed your Linux books so I get the fact you understand the concepts . As a programmer myself I've always loved the idea working together to create and share . Keep up the great work and thank you very much .
@@user-up4ii7vl9c I know some other Canadian BFRPG fans, but I also know that Canada is big so there's no way of knowing if they are close or not.
@@ChrisGonnerman Ya it is a large area I'm not sure Todd Lyons lives I think in Toronto area going to try and see if he runs games or wants to set one up . LOvr your stuff and the great team youhave created may in the future have a adventure to submit to you will let you know thanks again Drew
Luckily I'm already on the forums. I have a copy of BFRPG3E that's got the glossy cover peeling off (all along the edge). I also have not used it much, It's mostly sat on a shelf. So I don't think it's specifically an issue for matte covers. Probably just a side effect of the PoD process.
Huh. I've seen covers physically break down from a lot of use, but this is the first coating peel I've seen on an otherwise pristine book.
Alara is a realm in Magic the Gathering
I didn't know that... but the name I mentioned was actually Elara. In my research of AI, trying to learn how to recognize it better, I've discovered it really likes names that start El- and Elara shows up a lot.
"Bishop"? More like "Parasite".
I aspire to your level of calmness when dealing with this.
Thanks. It was a journey to get here.
Also, if what I typed angered or offended, you will get over it. I'm not buying a game to be preached to. If common sense is too complicated a subject for you, find a different hobby.
Funny. A good application of common sense would be to realize I'm not worried about anyone buying the game.
Im not buying into this woke, bs. It's topics like this and other snowflake ideas that kill a lot of IPs and company projects. Just to name a few... 40K, Star Wars, DC, Marvel, and even grand wizards of the coast who destroyed dnd since 4e. All their books are just chock full of this modern rhetoric, and its the primary reason why they complain when fans and customers dont buy their stuff. Common sense methods, such as pulling the gm aside and layout your concerns, are and always have been the way me and my group and I have done things since i first got into ttrpgs. There was none of this checklist, or hold up an X card crap. If you were that immature, you could not voice the opinion as a group, or were that sensitive, maybe this game, or, at the very least, that group was not for you. Seriously, you see this being spouted from more of these nutjobs who want "fluidity" and "pronouns."" Thankfully, I've walked away from any group that gave off this vibe, and over time, they all fell apart in weeks. Chris, I love your work and have MANY of your books, both pdf and physical. Please keep it as neutral as possible. I've dropped many a product because they felt they had to bend the knee. I'd hate to have to add this to the pile.
The only thing in all of that mess you just posted that bothers me in any way is the idea that I might have "felt (I) had to bend the knee." I don't, and never have. If I said it, I personally believe in it... I'm not conforming to anyone else's standard.
Consent in rpg's is detrimental If you need to have work sheets to run a make believe other than your character sheet.... GET OUT THE HOBBY. It's not an ist, or phobic, it's common sense!!!
I'd argue with you, but I've already made my case.
@@ChrisGonnerman Keep going down the woke path, and we will see how your case sounds then.
@@theyawningowlbear6758 I'm not sure what you mean. How is it going to hurt me? The game is literally sold about as close to cost as I can get; I'm not trying to make money from it. So if it did hurt sales, I seriously would not care. But so far it hasn't; in fact, the only time sales were better was when WoTC tried to kill the OGL (which improved basically everyone's sales). So we can just say that I'm not worried. I am amazed how I managed to trigger you though.
So this Demons and Dragons just took the BFRPG rules, put a different cover on it?! That's almost as bad as the theft that WotC/Hasbro was trying to commit with their new license last year!
Sorry this is happening to you again.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with this issue. Rest assured, I WON'T support anything from the offending company. I do my best to support the ACTUAL creators. Please post if there is anything else we can do to support you. Thank you for all you do to support this hobby of ours.
I'll be honest...I never liked the original covers and it turned me off to the BFRPG system when I was browsing systems. This new cover art is much more appealing. But now that I'm invested in the system, I'm fine with the original covers.
This is so frustrating to hear about, let alone having to go through it! If it's any consolation, I've just ordered a number of your Basic Fantasy books off of Amazon.
Thanks for the video! That outfit is run by a scurrilous knave.
It appears to have been taken down from DriveThruRPG
Yes, as of right now, all Gothic Games titles have been removed.
That's good to hear!!!
Basic Fantasy is my all time favorite TTRPG from 43 years of gaming. It it infuriates me that someone stole your exact material and are selling it for a profit when you offer your game for free for the PDf or just above cost for print copies. I so agree with you, it might be legal but it is SO morally wrong. I am SO sorry this has been done to you. It stinks. I am so disappointed in RPG DriveThru as well.
Actually DriveThruRPG seems to be taking action. Now if I could just get Amazon to move on my response to the last infringement claim.
Thanks for letting us know not to buy this product. This sucks and isn't okay. I know how much work was put into this game.
I have enjoyed Basic Fantasy and the incredibly open approach. These Gothic bozos have violated every good faith principle that makes the hobby healthy and ethical. Thank you for taking the time to give us a detailed description of what they've done.
IndestructBoy sent me. Sub'd. I buy your stuff off Amazon, hardcover. Glad I found you.
Welcome!
Can't see it on DriveThruRPG just now, Chris. I see their ripoff of Traveller, "Wayfarer", and half a dozen others. After your previous videos, I bought print copies of some of your stuff, despite having the free PDFs from your website. Sorry they're still acting in bad faith. Great game, BFRPG. Thanks for putting it out there.
Demons & Dragons has been removed from the DTRPG webstore
I have the same thing going on with one of my 'freebies' based on the old Open D6 licence... sigh...
Hey, I have an idea for Gothic Games. It's a little out of the box. How about instead of running a scam you actually try to add value for players? Just a thought.
I like the measured stance you took with it, and i do not have an issue with them in theory. I just do not think they work all that well for what they tend to be used for. It is trying to garentee a result in a conversation before talking to the other people; ie, i can not have any plans to have children getting hurt, but the party might capture the bad guy's kid and decide it is a wiz bang idea to hold them randsom. Is that violence, do they expect to have the npc not try to escape so they are not "forced" to stop them, and does that mean they are not going to smash those dragon eggs? This involves a conversation that probably needs to happen as it comes up, but the checklist gives an impression that is not nessicarily shared with the members of the group. It is why everyone still argues about allignment.
Enough is enough, you need to take that guy to court. Speak to a lawyer and see if you have a civil case (the criteria is much lower.) I love the Basic Fantasy RPG and you should fight to protect all of your hard work. It's one thing to use your generic mechanics, it's a whole other thing to reprint your work font for font. Take him to court and take him for everything.
First I'd have to find Madison Brooks. It's harder than it looks. Also, apparently a Canadian citizen.
@@ChrisGonnerman it can be done if your lawyer feels it's worth it, there are a lot of ways to track people down very fast
I'm sorry you still have ro deal with this. Ill buy a copy of Basic Fantasy RPG this weeked.
Thanks!
@@ChrisGonnerman I found out about your situation from an Indestructaboy video. I just want to do my part to spread positivity and boost smaller creators
Again, sorry to hear that this is STILL going on. Hopefully EVERYONE will stay away from this rip-off. I think there's something written on an old stone tablet about not stealing.
Also, I like that Basic Fantasy shirt. Do you have any for sale somewhere?
Well I did, but now I'm not finding it. Hmm. It wasn't that long ago that I bought the one in the video. ... AH, it's here: www.cafepress.com/shop/basicfantasy/products?designId=110108396
@@ChrisGonnerman Thanks. They don't have a large enough size for me. Might buy a pack of those stickers and toss one on my gaming bag or a pin for my vest, though!
@@disciple012 Thanks! I might have to try another vendor, if size is an issue.
@@ChrisGonnerman Would probably be hard to find one that does my size. I'm a big guy. I wear 6x.
@@disciple012 Ah, I see the problem. Sorry man.
Tried searching for it on DTRPG and nothing came up. Checked Google and a link for it came up, but when I clicked on it, I was taken to a "Your loot is in another cave..." page, so it looks like DriveThruRPG took it down.
Hats-off to you for your approach to this situation. And I'm looking forward to supporting YOU in your publishing efforts.
Let me point out here that buying our books is definitely optional. We give it all away for free in digital format, and make almost nothing from the sales. For the Basic Fantasy Project, "contributing" is done not with money but with time and talent. But hey, if you want the books, let me not stand in your way, and thanks!
Poor Odran ):
I mean, he was kind of a snake... he might have gotten what he deserved.
Yes, probably true, the poor guy just had a rough 12 or so years.
This is an unfair level of aggravation for you. What’s wrong with people?
I think studying real religions is useful for inspiration to make in-game religions more interesting, not necessarily to create an exact parallel. For example, early European travelers considered Tibetan Buddhists to be demon worshipers because Tibetans would propitiate the representations of "bad" things such as natural disasters in the hope that these spirits would be pacified; this gives us a motivation for the Evil Cult that is much more relatable to the players than "bad cultists worship bad god because they're bad" and gives a plot hook for the party to find a different (and hopefully more permanent solution) to a Famine Spirit visiting the remote village.
I don’t know what license you’re using but most licenses say they can use the content but they can’t use the formatting because that’s copyrighted.
That's not exactly how it works. No, this is more or less legal as Brooks has done it. It's just wrong, and foolish.