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In the 1980's I had some Dynamic VR27 SL skis with Look 99 RS bindings with the back facing brake on the toe. I credit those skis and binding combo in really progressing my skiing. They were a fantastic ski/binding setup in those days and I'm amazed to see the pivot style binding is still around these days. I'm skiing Salomon Shift's these days for a bit of back/side country touring or System Markers. So I think you could do a backcountry/alpine version of the Look pivot like Salomon Shift or Marker Duke.
This is amazing, it should have more views! Or only so many people thinking about skiing in the summer.
I've heard from one of my local ski shop that I had to put some kind of plate on the ski in order to mount the spx bindings. Is that true? Or can I just mount the SPX straight on the ski without any plate?
The SPX Rockerace tecnically requires that it be mounted on a plate but there are a lot of people mounting the binding on the ski flat. Most shops are unwilling to mount the Rockerace flat because there is no template/jig for it but you can use the Pivot jig because the RR and Pivot share two of the heel holes.
Great conversation! I loved the comment about shaped skis allowing the older gen to ski at a much higher level. Last year the snow was virtually unskiable on a very steep pitch. The skis would not slide. I must have done 30 jump turns to get down. I don't miss that even a little bit. Keep up the great content.
On the old pivot 1.0 when lengthening the arms to fit a longer boot, what is an unsafe length?? How much of the 3rd hatch mark should show? Cheers
The concern is the arms hitting the shell of the boot. You just have to watch that.
After watching this video I bought a pair of pivot.
The downside of demo bindings being tall in stand height almost seems like it could be a benefit for performance carver skis under 80mm, where having additional leverage is a benefit. Hard to tell what exactly the difference is between flat skis mounted with modern demo bindings and my Blizzard Thunderbird R13 with Marker TPX track system bindings, which seems like a hybrid of a race plate and a demo binding. For something a little less stiff and performance oriented than the Thunderbird, something like the high stand height Tyrolia bindings sound potentially more ideal than the retail binding in the same lineup. This video may be focused on demo bindings, but this is also just a great comparison of the four big binding manufacturers. I have a 2011 K2 Rictor with one of those early Marker Griffon demo bindings, and it definitely seems like demo bindings have come a long way. The older Griffons were noticeably heavier, taller, and had a noticeable rattle that wasn't as confidence-inspiring as the newer Look, Marker, and Salomon/Armada demo bindings I tried in demos the past season. The Tyrolias also sound like they'd be great. That said, I really like what Look is doing with its regular retail SPX binding. That sounds like the best compromise, where I get a standard retail binding experience, but if I really want to lend a ski to a friend for a day, being able to adjust the heel would be just fine. I feel like the approach to adjustability with the Look SPX will suit most people interested in demo bindings for their own personal skis.
Would the e Race Pro be appropriate for the Downhill event? I am mature years now, and I started at boy age 8, taken to Arosa from America for a private teacher. Then, wood ski's were heavy, and stiff. And, even with boots, I tight wrapped "long thongs" at the ankles. Then, I got Head's. The were not that stiff, but they were light. Actually, I do not Vedelin - slalom. I started at Stem Kristi and stayed at it. The only thing I want is the long cruise, "Tuck", on the Bankings. Of course, your edges are your only Bankings sometimes. I don't do jumps. They don't do jumps at Daytona, for example. So, I would sculpt a new mountain: Long Line 2 - 3 miles; Bankings; opens; "Deer Runs"; not super sheer. Insurance required.
I got to test the trail before it was done
Good video. The background music is distracting.
Sorry about that
1 more thing...94 w is an amazing tree ski! The rocker makes edges release about as easy as anything ive been on ( that wasn't a total noodle) my 94s bailed me out of a few bad decisions in tight VT woods more than once! So good!!
I think it falls between the cracks because it really isn't for everyone as an all Mountain ski. It's very lightweight which makes it easy to ski, but it's still fairly stiff and reactive. I find that although it's light it, takes someone with pretty strong legs to hold these skis down when there's anything other than pretty smooth conditions. (I'm in NY amd VT, understand you may have had a different experience out west) I love my Blaze 94 w (I'm a male fyi, same construction for both) I ski them aggressively. But they really only shine when there's some fresh snow or some spring conditions. In a few inches of fresh snow these are one of my favorite skis I've ever. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea !😂 I think an intermediate or below would benefit for something a little bit more damp amd with less rocker..... And let's be honest most people are intermediate or below
at two minutes can somebody pause the video and tell me the name/year of the black pair on the far left? i cant find it anywhere
You got it dude!
She will be missed, I'm sorry for your loss.
Is the 2023 same as 2024 ?
Yes.
Never mind, just saw it’s in Reno…bummer for me glad for you guys.
Wait, sierra Vista….? I just moved to SV AZ, I’m thinking this ain’t in AZ
Thanks for the video! I have the 2022 Total Joy and did my first two blacks this season!
If only.... RIP meant: Return if Possible 😢
RIP Gypsy. The peanut butter is funny.
Our hearts go out to you both. We truly feel your pain.
I have been skiing for 62 years on many different types/makes of skis. Last year I bought a pair of Stoeckli Montero AR (My first pair of Soecklis, even though I was born in Switzerland). Although I always thought a persons skills and not the equipment make a proficient skier, I must say that these skis almost “ski themselves!” I am extremely pleased with my purchase and highly recommend them!! Well done Stoeckli and well done guys explaining these skis and their differences!! As for the Montero AR model, I couldn’t agree more with your assessment!!
Did not share layup or materials differences between PX/MX products. Unfortunately not in informative comparison for those who want or demand a frontside ski.
Terrific Time Machine interview - thanks for sharing and RIP Bobbie Burns.
Reason for ski change is on stunt may not have been Robbie like the back flip. but not sure
So the changes in the rest of the skis including the 88 is cosmetic?
a comma in the price means I'm not interested period, lol
He says "more generous fit profile" yet fit's more closely alligned with WC boot insofar as reducing overall volume. So I guess on the one hand the more generous fit profile is why you got the MV but it's somehow still a bit lower volume than the old RS MV? Did you get the new RS 130 MV Phil? How do you like the RS off trail. I have a newish pair of 2016 RX 130's (had them in the closet until 2 seasons ago) with 2023 liners which are in decent shape but am looking for an upgrade. I know the RS has stiffer foam so am thinking it won't pack out as fast. Comfort is less a concern than performance and do a fair amount of skiing on piste on EC but still like bumps and spring snow.
My favorite ski I have six pair of them I'm looking for more😊
What are the changes from Katana 108 to new Mantra 108?
New name, new cosmetics for 24/25
Just finished year 7 on the i.Rallys, teaching and skiing. Just love them. Got a new pair of Magnum Supershapes as well last season, didn;t ski them much, snow was thin most of the year in the Northeast. Would love to get a pair of the eRallys for teaching. I'm 6'1" 200 lb. so they seem to be a good fit for me, the way I ski.
Are the Strive demos adjustable without tools? And are the heel and toe both removable without tools?
Yes they are, tool less other than setting the DIN.
We need the heel cable back on the market.
Sorry, no we do not. LOL.
If I'm an East Coast skier who likes bumps and trees which one do I choose?
If just bumps, I would say the narrower but the trees I would want a bit wider. Neither is a wrong choice.
Nothing like a Stockli. I bought some ARs and felt like a 911 racing down the mountain against a herd of Civics and Camry's. This ski reinvigorated my love for skiing!
So I decided to take the plunge on these boots. I have a couple of other sets of boots from K2 and Tecnica and I thought I would give these a shot based on reviews I read. What a mistake Unfortunately purchasing these boots directly from Dahu was an even bigger mistake. It should tell you everything you need to know when the manufacture puts 100% Fit Guarantee on the page but when you read the returns they state no returns whatsoever if you even use the boots on one run and they are terrible. They don’t stand behind their product and that tells you everything about the boots and the company. To me these boots have exactly the problems you would expect. Lack of control of the skis being the worst part. I am an advanced skier who has being skiing every year since a child and I ski as many days as possible a season. That being said these had to be the most out of control boots I have ever felt. They felt heavy, my ankles felt like they were getting pushed around all over the place. They moved in points that no regular ski boot I have tried on before would. They actually felt unsafe to me and I skipped any additional hard runs and came down blues to get them off my feet.
Sorry to hear that.
@SkiTalk when is your M7 review going to drop?
Thanks Phil and Tricia, great info here. Do you have any info on the weight difference between the two? I'm not a particularly powerful skier, so I'd be interesting to see the weight diff between these two bindings. Thanks!!
Only 70 grams with the Pivot being slighty heavier.
I recently bought a new pair of Elan Ripstick 96 after demoing them, and my experience on the new skis matches the experience I had on the demo pair. I put Marker Griffons on the new skis; I don't recall which bindings were on the demo pair. A couple weeks ago, after a foot of new snow had fallen and I wanted something wider, I demoed a pair of Head Kore 105s. They felt so heavy that I switched back to my Elans in the afternoon and felt much better. Until then, I had never realized how much heavier demo bindings are than their retail counterparts.
Background music was distracting. Did not finish to the end....
Sorry, this is something we have addressed in later videos.
Love the Marker product. Given how wide or narrow modern skis are I am always concerned if the bindings fit the ski. I tend to pick a ski separately from the binding. Each is an individual choice hence the need to know if the binding will fit the ski.
Is it okay to put a pivot 15 on a 95mm ski? For the better brake.. Not sure if that would make sense🤷♂️
Absolutely
They feel like a 99 mm last. Another ski boots ready of the box to fit general public and one week skiers. Heads up people, this it might be a $850 mistake!
While they might not fit your foot, it does not mean they fit other feet. I know a lot of high level skiers, not one week skiers, that are skiing this boot very well.
Thank you for the very interesting info on these skis. Keep the ski reviews coming!
Any change to tip and tail rocker, & camber on the M7 from the previous M6? Also what would be the weight comparison between M7 and M6 in the same length?
Not significant changes in the tip and tail rises or the weight. If a few grams is your concern, you shouln't be looking at a Mantra.
Hi. I've been skiing the Head Super Joy for 4 years (2020 version). Love them, but they started delaminating and now I am wanting to buy the new Super Joy (2024 or wait for the 2025). But I am affraid it will be much different to what I am used to. It was such a perfect ski, light, nice pop in transition. I'm short and 115 lbs, 60 y. And I ski on the East coast so groomers, ice, and a bit of ciment powder. Will I notice a big difference between the old and new model? Are they stiffer, less forgiving? Thanks.
Yes they are indeed different but noticably easier without losing the performance that attracted you to the Joy series in the first place.
Thank you so much for the quick answer. Super Joy it is!
Skied the new M7 this weekend vs my M6. What stands out most is the wider tip. This made the ski have more edge grip in GS type turns when leaned over and should be better in powder. I found maybe at slow speed fast turns with bases more flat I liked the M6 better for bumps. I have a second ski the Blaze 106 that is my Pow/backcountry ski. Maybe it was the tip but the M7 also feels a tad more damp than the M6 which is good for icy conditions but maybe not as lively as the M6 was my feel. If looking for a one ski quiver with good groomer and powder performance the M7 is an improvement but for me with a 2 ski quiver didn't think it was worth an upgrade to the newest version. I also tried the new Enforcer and Anomaly skis which were improvements over previous but still preferred the Mantra M7.
Do you find it easier to engage the tips to initiate turns/carves in the M7 vs the M6? Also, does the M7's new shape affect maneuverability in steeps/trees?
@@PlasticBagable yes I think the tip helps engage the turn more. To me the big difference is it just feels like a little wider damper ski but carved real well and definitely will be better in powder. Bases flat where not really engaging the tips I liked the M6 better just feels like a narrower ski better in bumps and snappier out of turns. I wouldn't say the M7 is a slouch bases flat though.
@@Andy-gn2hj thanks!! And sorry to clarify when you say “just feel like a narrower better ski better in bumps and snappier out of turns” was that referring to the M6 or M7? Like, does the M6 feel like the narrower ski, and more maneuverable in bumps?
@@PlasticBagable yes the m6 is 135 tip and the m7 is 139 tip width. Both are still 96 under ft. So the m7 just feels like a wider ski. Can’t go wrong with either.
dang the m6 was already super damp. That was my most and least favorite part about that ski
Does this ski more like the old RS130 before the dual core?
Actually it skis closer to the WC boot.
You can’t ignore the Vibestop if you ski hard snow.