The thing with gacha games is that even though technically speaking gacha is just a monetization model not a genre, its everlasting influence on gameplay is the reason why many people use this term to describe games that use it. It doesn't matter if it's TBS, action or else, gacha games always prioritize retention tactics and fomo mechanics above in-the-moment fun. People who play gacha games live in future, waiting for more content, new characters, planning their resource spending, with so-called gameplay being more like a backend to show the strength of their account since it relies on stats and characters available more than mechanical skill or strategy. I think it's fair to say that people who play gacha games (not all of them, but most) like the fact that they rely on getting new characters to keep having fun in the game, regardless of what the actual gameplay mechanics the game might have. It's no coincidence ex-GI players were praising Honkai Star Rail for being a better game, even though these aren't directly comparable in terms of actual gameplay systems - one is openworld, other isn't, one is real time action, other is pseudo-TBS, etc.. It was solely on the basis of having more QoL and being "more generous". Players usually do not play gacha games for their gameplay alone, it doesn't make much sense as traditional games had them beat in this regard. Holy yapping btw.
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
I've heard GI players say they didn't care about HSR because it was turn-based, and even right now there's a lot of criticisms of ZZZ's gameplay, despite its polish and aesthetic. I think gameplay has a pretty significant impact on whether someone will play a game, gacha or not. And the comparisons between GI and HSR is like you said primarily about the developer's treatment of the games and their player bases, not their gameplay, which has more to do with both games being live service. I also cannot say for certain if the majority of HSR players are ex-GI players or not, especially since I believe a lot of other gacha games are turn-based, so HSR appeals to those player bases. The ex-GI players who did move over to HSR could simply also like turn-based combat. People can like both types of games, but if someone likes the gameplay in both games but one game has better treatment on the live service part, then of course they're going to say the one with better treatment is the better game. The fact that the games are live service sets certain expectations. And you can absolutely play gacha games for their gameplay alone. Or do people not play MMOs or other loot-based games for their gameplay? A difference between gacha games and traditional games is there's a guarantee that more content will be added to the game, while a traditional game has an end to it. A lot of the time people usually want more of what they're playing. Also, retention tactics and FOMO mechanics are not unique to gacha games, as MMOs and pretty much any live service game utilized them before gacha games were a thing. As for the reason for the majority of players playing gacha games, I currently believe gameplay impacts their decision. However my mind may get changed if ZZZ performs just as well as GI and HSR, due to the criticism the game has been getting. Also we're all fluent in yapanese.
@belugastyle480Ай бұрын
@@SavageRodent I'll try to keep it brief as I don't want to turn this into a pointless debate. Screw the HSR vs GI player migration point, I concede it. HSR (and most gachas in general for that matter) has very little meaningful gameplay. People like it not only because it's turned based, but also bc it's so straightforward they can auto through - aka only engage with the combat system sparingly. HSR popularity made it pretty clear to me that the huge chunk of gacha players only care for superficial aspects of the gameplay (like character animations and voice lines that accompany the combat), comfort and an account management (which is a shared trait across all gachas). Or take GI as an example. It's an openworld where you get crumbs of a premium currency as a reward for steamrolling weak mobs instead of just getting weapons, upgrade materials or companions directly from exploring areas and farming monsters. It always comes back to gacha and stamina systems. Can people still play GI for the gameplay alone? Yes they can. But assuming they have a choice (maybe they don't have PC or console but do have a good phone, etc.) it just doesn't make much sense to look for good highly interactive gameplay in gachas of all things, as gacha system itself is always a detriment, a roadblock that didn't need to exist - unless gacha is what you like in the first place. Choosing between different equally cool looking gachas based on their gameplay traits? Sure. Never said it doesn't matter at all, people all have their preferred seasonings. But the fact they are willing to compromise from a get go and deal with the system that actively limits, dumbs down the gameplay and turns it from a source of entertainment into a habit says alot about their priorities in my opinion.
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
@@belugastyle480 That's fair. I suppose every mechanic in games influence it in some way, and gacha mechanics are far from the exception. Though it's a roadblock for progression and not really a defining element of a game's gameplay. And I think the more simpler gameplay is more so due to these games being made with phones in mind. This is probably a hot take: I wouldn't say WuWa, PGR, or even GI have simpler combat than From Software's Souls games and their combat. Hell I'd say one could argue that there's more going on with their combat than the Souls games, but the bar of execution is lower due to the lack of enemy aggression (minus PGR and some of WuWa's enemies). People complain about the consecrated beasts when they pop up in GI's Abyss because now they're required to dodge and learn the enemy's attacks, while most other enemies have several, sometimes dozens of seconds of doing nothing that you either have to wait or can effortlessly go through rotation. Anyways thanks for commenting and engaging in conversation.
@belugastyle480Ай бұрын
@@SavageRodent You cannot really separate progression system from gameplay mechanics when said progression also includes new gameplay options though. You not only get stronger numerically but also unlock new characters, and as such get access to new teambuilding options and ability to interact with certain mechanics in new ways. Or don't, depending on your wallet and your luck. Also what I described in my GI example directly affects the exploration process. It's just not as exciting to know you will not get anything truly valuable other than some premium currency anyway, it hinders the sense of discovery. I actually do agree that on fundamental level gameplay mechanics in the gacha games might get pretty interesting. That only started happening recently though, by far and large they still are simplified versions of their traditional counterparts. Elemental system in GI with its hidden ele gauges and energy funneling is a fascinating idea that is still quite underutilized. Same with WuWa which has interesting swapping mechanics (although they do clash with aggressive bosses that provide very little windows to utilize them). But like you've said, it's all sabotaged by the mobile design, cause when the bar of execution is set so low you don't need to engage and understand most of these mechanics, it's like multiplying by zero. Not to mention that the easiest solution to any problem in a gacha game is not to git gud, but to get and build new meta character that will make the challenge more tolerable. That's precisely why I stand by saying that it's fair to assume gameplay mechanics aren't the top priority for most gacha players. It doesn't matter if the game has some interesting gameplay ideas if you need to go out of your way and do self imposed challenges to appreciate them like trying to bruteforce the endgame with off meta units, that's what less than 1% of players do. Thank you too. It's nice to exchange opinions without any unnecessary insults and the like once in a while lol.
@batmyscz965Ай бұрын
amazing video! first video i've seen from you, and I want to say three things: 1. I feel the term "gacha game" is probably best used to describe the monetization type/style of a game, NOT the gameplay. But even this has flaws, as gacha games I play (HSR, ZZZ) have a battle pass and daily/weekly reward system, which could make problems. What do you classify gacha games as? Gacha games? Live service games? Both? In my opinion it's vague even monetization-wise and that's the problem you pointed out. 2. I play gacha games, and I enjoy the gacha mechanic, but I am NOT going to defend it at all. To me, I like it for the gambler's thrill, if that makes any sense. I play gacha games completely F2P, so this "safe gambling" where I don't spend a dime but still get the same rush is very fun and inticing to me. But like I said, I won't defend this mechanic, as it is there to hook people into gambling their REAL money away on a chance to get something good. 3. I play gacha games somewhat casually, and I don't really put much effort into building my characters. HSR is my main gacha game, which I got into beccause of the "sci-fi" aesthetic and the characters. I play HSR for the characters and lore mainly, and IDK about other gacha players, but imo getting a character that is important to you or to the story can feel so rewarding and amaziing, and I feel that's why most people like gacha games, to play as their "dream" characters. (the "play as your husbando/waifu" thing adds to this too most likely) Sorry for the long comment, I just wanted to share my thoughs and experiences about gacha games. But I hope my comment is at least interesting to read
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
No need to apologize for the long comment. It's a different viewpoint from myself, so it gave me something to think about. I guess I never thought about the gambling thrill, which is a pretty obvious reason for why people would like gacha games. Such an oversight on my part. The thing that still gets me though is the majority of time spent in these games isn't really engaging with the gacha mechanic, which to me implies that someone would primarily play a gacha game not for the gacha mechanic but for some other reason. And my next thought would then be is would the game be better or worse without the gacha mechanic.
@AdamDj-ic3krАй бұрын
@@SavageRodenthonestly,I feel like most gacha games would be better without it, because as much as I like the thrill (f2p btw)it can be so annoying when you want one character but you can't either because of sheer bad luck or because you don't have enough premium currency and don't have the time to grind before the banner is gone ,wich is why even the best gacha games will never surpass an 8/10(aside from maybe limbus Company but the game is so generous the gacha is basically optional)
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
@@AdamDj-ic3kr 100% agree. The question I'm wondering though is for the people that like the gacha mechanic, would removing that mechanic make the game better or worse for them, and would they still play it?
@Leedoe1989Ай бұрын
Lol, never heard of you but the YT algorithm recommended this video for me. I personally like gatcha games, or rather I like Genshin and try other gatchas, because I like the resin system. I like to maximize my characters so in a normal game I reach a point, where I have the best weapons, where I've "beat" the game. But in Genshin it is not really possible to maximize a character. Even if I were to farm a whole weekend, I wouldn't have the resin for it. This way, I have something I can do every day. And it doesn't take long, I get back from work, play like half an hour genshin and am happy. I am sure I am an outlier, at least it feels like that on social media, but it is always what you expect from the game. For 0$ I have now multiple years of entertainment and for the time it takes to have a character at an acceptable level I have saved up enough primos for a new one.
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
I can definitely understand the feeling of logging in for a half hour every day and (hopefully) make progress to building characters. There is satisfaction there, but I don't like the feeling of having to do it every day otherwise you lose out on resources. Sometimes there are days where I don't want to play, and that's where you start to feel pressure and begin to get burnt out. Having an energy overflow storage, like what is in HSR, helps alleviate this problem, but you still have to login to continue to accumulate pull currency, which I think is a larger contributor to the pressure felt and is probably more so the issue. But like you've pointed out, it's hard to argue against how much entertainment you can get from these games with a price tag of $0. I suppose we can thank our local whales for that. lol
@pastjuggler574Ай бұрын
W Yap fest.
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
The yappiest of yap fests.
@SavageRodentАй бұрын
Semantics
@xiaoxingchen-pi4or6 ай бұрын
Just a show of hands.. how many of you will not spend during 4.4?
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
I'm not spending at all. And since I got QiQi from my pulls (not a joke), I'm just about done playing the game altogether tbh.
@ghost4thaghost9416 ай бұрын
Guys is like 3 years like LITERALLY 3 YEARS and they are giving us only 3 interwind fate
@ghost4thaghost9416 ай бұрын
Guys is like 3 years like LITERALLY 3 YEARS and they are giving us only 3 interwind fate
@Kotzcii6 ай бұрын
The part that you labeled as EN Community rant feels insulting towards the viewer. I know this part is meant for the white knights and I agree with the points you make, but when creating a discussion video it's important to be respectful to the viewers. I don't think your intention was to pick a fight with the entire audience but it still feels a little irritating to the people who are on your side.
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
@Kotzcii It's probably because it can be interpreted that I'm talking to the viewers, which isn't really the case. I think most people understand what someone means when they mention the EN community, or any community honestly, in a negative way. And it's not just the white knights that I talk about, but content creators as well. That's why I labeled it as "EN community" because content creators I think are a significant part of the community. But I think it's primarily how I'm representing the other side in the rant which can come off as the rant being made towards the viewer. I still appreciate the criticism though.
@kuro.editzzz6 ай бұрын
thank you for speaking up. and nice first video. people just cant take constructive criticism. why cant they learn its to make the game better. in this case fix the game. its like the playerbase is helping hoyo poor their shit in their mouths
@AnalogOtaku6 ай бұрын
Genshit.. nice name imma use it from now😂 thanks for it
@LazyReaderKanon6 ай бұрын
Yeah, all whales should take a stance to stop this from being encouraged.
@MarcSy6 ай бұрын
Excellent work! I agree about the surveys but we need to keep doing it. Nothing wrong in speaking out about the game's issues, but a lot wrong in simps stopping while insulting people from speaking up.
@demonking-zm3rs6 ай бұрын
Heres the thing.. Constructively Criticism is Fine Lazy Criticism is typically What gets Railed Against. No One Is Defending A Company If your Someone who thinks that your Value as a Player is based on how much Free Shit You Get then Im Sorry Thats Really Sad You have People Pretending there actually being Abused Because there not being Given Chips to A Slot Machine HSR is not Generous. Outside One 4 Star theres no Accessible IMG Character you can use in a game that requires Team Diversity And Even then his full Potential Requires His LC its was a Sales Tactic As for Complaints Mtashed and Tectone the Guys who raved about wanting PVP in Genshin. No see ive seen Fans say a lot of Shit Simulated Universe as Genshin Endgame... Look Up Elysium Realm from Honkai Impact 3rd That SU in Genshin and it Sucks (Story is Good) Lets be real do you really want an Endgame based on luck? Thats what artifacts are there RNG you want people who like Combat to be forced into the coal mines like certain players So they can say "Look at my C6 R5 Yelan" and justify there gambling or justify there Grind. Real Endgame takes time not the Shallow Shit People take from Other Games i Mean ACTUAL repeatable content Your going to shit on people and pretend that if there not on your side they must be taking the side of a company Or reflect and say "Yeah me and My Peers have been Lazy with our Critque" Like that dumb conspiracy theory that even got the year wrong or the idea that one person in the company is making all the decisions for Genshin Its a cheap Cop Out for the game not meeting Your personal expectations be upset. But dont shit on other people when they see behavior like this as childish Heres the truth if it were also up to those CN "chads" Men wouldnt be in the game as well Its a slipper slope when you give people power.
@Badkhela6 ай бұрын
Ive stopped filling out those surveys a long time ago. Those are a waste of time.
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
@Badkhela It's definitely a waste of time if it's a Genshit survey.
@ThatDumbBlonde__6 ай бұрын
Yeah i only do it if its for primos
@davidecimino71126 ай бұрын
Nice first video, I agree that as a community we need to come together and absolutely fumble the revenue for someone like the pyro archon or some other OP Meta character that would usually have the biggest sales for them to actually feel an impact where they care, their pockets
@davidecimino71126 ай бұрын
PS: cool abyss teams
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
@davidecimino7112 Yeah I'm not spending anything on the game anymore until they start doing more. I did stop buying the bp before 4.0, so I guess now I stop buying welkins.
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
Apologies in advance for my way of speaking in the video. Again I'm not a content creator nor did I go to school for acting. Maybe that's not a good enough excuse, but sue me then.
@tamaratoth83266 ай бұрын
So first video, you regurgulate information and opinion from actual content creators days later adding nothing but unimaginative cussing to the topic while still playing a game you call shit. I'm pretty sure there's a burn here somwhere especially from a player signing in every day raving about how gatcha games are evil but I'll let it slide. Everyone knows Genshin is threated poorly - and I'm not talking about freebies but innovation and quality of life changes - and the content creators already analised to death why before you jumped in and copy pasted their work to claim it yours. Tbh in this context you feel even more lazy than the ones you criticise and I don't include money hungry only because with this viewer count I don't think you will get more than pocket change. I agree that you are not a content creator because that would require original content and this here doesn't even reach reddit post reading ai voice level, at least there is a platform change to those. To add insult to injury you did two things those content creators didn't, you disrespected the designers and coders, calling their work shit because of decisions their higher ups made and called the players names because - I don't know - superiority complex I guess. Now you might have meant to insult those who would do the mental gimnastics to explain why not getting a 5* in Genshin is a good thing but sadly you didn't succeed...at all. So not only did you proceed to beat an already dead horse you cheerfully called the "owner" of said dead horse pathetic idiots. I'm not sure you are in any position to say anything about Hoyo putting their foot in their mouth after this. If you ever want to be a content creator, try harder!
@projectsin82166 ай бұрын
Is it my fault that idc whats happening? I just enjoy the game for what it is and having fun playing how i want it to be also never even every gacha i played encourage me or forced me to pay anything guess thats my fault too? Just saying
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
@projectsin8216 It's not your fault if you enjoy the game for what it is and you're not arguing against a lot of the criticisms of the game, but you aren't helping either. And I wasn't helping either since I wasn't outspoken. That doesn't mean you're at fault though. Nothing is perfect, and Genshin is far from a perfect game. And what players are generally asking for doesn't change the game fundamentally. We want more ways to enjoy the game, and QoL stuff to polish up what's already there. But people arguing the criticisms of the game are essentially saying the game is perfect and can't be better than what it is, when that's simply not the case. Those are the people at fault.
@projectsin82166 ай бұрын
@@SavageRodent fair its just that i really dont care at all guess im one those who just wait and see what happens and reap the rewards if they give it or not.
@projectsin82166 ай бұрын
@@SavageRodent fair its just that i really dont care at all guess im one those who just wait and see what happens and reap the rewards if they give it or not.
@SavageRodent6 ай бұрын
@@projectsin8216 Yeah I usually just wait and see what happens too, but after playing the game for 3 years now and nothing really changing, I figured I should put my thoughts out there. And making a video is the best way to do that.
@illuzio91426 ай бұрын
DUDE YOURE JUST LIKE ME PREACH
@karma-kf9gy9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the early stream
@SavageRodent9 ай бұрын
Hey I appreciate the comment and your time watching the stream. I'll probably try to stream tonight or about 12 hours from now and do exploration. Stop by again if you're interested, and feel free to ama. I'll do my best to answer.
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The thing with gacha games is that even though technically speaking gacha is just a monetization model not a genre, its everlasting influence on gameplay is the reason why many people use this term to describe games that use it. It doesn't matter if it's TBS, action or else, gacha games always prioritize retention tactics and fomo mechanics above in-the-moment fun. People who play gacha games live in future, waiting for more content, new characters, planning their resource spending, with so-called gameplay being more like a backend to show the strength of their account since it relies on stats and characters available more than mechanical skill or strategy. I think it's fair to say that people who play gacha games (not all of them, but most) like the fact that they rely on getting new characters to keep having fun in the game, regardless of what the actual gameplay mechanics the game might have. It's no coincidence ex-GI players were praising Honkai Star Rail for being a better game, even though these aren't directly comparable in terms of actual gameplay systems - one is openworld, other isn't, one is real time action, other is pseudo-TBS, etc.. It was solely on the basis of having more QoL and being "more generous". Players usually do not play gacha games for their gameplay alone, it doesn't make much sense as traditional games had them beat in this regard. Holy yapping btw.
I've heard GI players say they didn't care about HSR because it was turn-based, and even right now there's a lot of criticisms of ZZZ's gameplay, despite its polish and aesthetic. I think gameplay has a pretty significant impact on whether someone will play a game, gacha or not. And the comparisons between GI and HSR is like you said primarily about the developer's treatment of the games and their player bases, not their gameplay, which has more to do with both games being live service. I also cannot say for certain if the majority of HSR players are ex-GI players or not, especially since I believe a lot of other gacha games are turn-based, so HSR appeals to those player bases. The ex-GI players who did move over to HSR could simply also like turn-based combat. People can like both types of games, but if someone likes the gameplay in both games but one game has better treatment on the live service part, then of course they're going to say the one with better treatment is the better game. The fact that the games are live service sets certain expectations. And you can absolutely play gacha games for their gameplay alone. Or do people not play MMOs or other loot-based games for their gameplay? A difference between gacha games and traditional games is there's a guarantee that more content will be added to the game, while a traditional game has an end to it. A lot of the time people usually want more of what they're playing. Also, retention tactics and FOMO mechanics are not unique to gacha games, as MMOs and pretty much any live service game utilized them before gacha games were a thing. As for the reason for the majority of players playing gacha games, I currently believe gameplay impacts their decision. However my mind may get changed if ZZZ performs just as well as GI and HSR, due to the criticism the game has been getting. Also we're all fluent in yapanese.
@@SavageRodent I'll try to keep it brief as I don't want to turn this into a pointless debate. Screw the HSR vs GI player migration point, I concede it. HSR (and most gachas in general for that matter) has very little meaningful gameplay. People like it not only because it's turned based, but also bc it's so straightforward they can auto through - aka only engage with the combat system sparingly. HSR popularity made it pretty clear to me that the huge chunk of gacha players only care for superficial aspects of the gameplay (like character animations and voice lines that accompany the combat), comfort and an account management (which is a shared trait across all gachas). Or take GI as an example. It's an openworld where you get crumbs of a premium currency as a reward for steamrolling weak mobs instead of just getting weapons, upgrade materials or companions directly from exploring areas and farming monsters. It always comes back to gacha and stamina systems. Can people still play GI for the gameplay alone? Yes they can. But assuming they have a choice (maybe they don't have PC or console but do have a good phone, etc.) it just doesn't make much sense to look for good highly interactive gameplay in gachas of all things, as gacha system itself is always a detriment, a roadblock that didn't need to exist - unless gacha is what you like in the first place. Choosing between different equally cool looking gachas based on their gameplay traits? Sure. Never said it doesn't matter at all, people all have their preferred seasonings. But the fact they are willing to compromise from a get go and deal with the system that actively limits, dumbs down the gameplay and turns it from a source of entertainment into a habit says alot about their priorities in my opinion.
@@belugastyle480 That's fair. I suppose every mechanic in games influence it in some way, and gacha mechanics are far from the exception. Though it's a roadblock for progression and not really a defining element of a game's gameplay. And I think the more simpler gameplay is more so due to these games being made with phones in mind. This is probably a hot take: I wouldn't say WuWa, PGR, or even GI have simpler combat than From Software's Souls games and their combat. Hell I'd say one could argue that there's more going on with their combat than the Souls games, but the bar of execution is lower due to the lack of enemy aggression (minus PGR and some of WuWa's enemies). People complain about the consecrated beasts when they pop up in GI's Abyss because now they're required to dodge and learn the enemy's attacks, while most other enemies have several, sometimes dozens of seconds of doing nothing that you either have to wait or can effortlessly go through rotation. Anyways thanks for commenting and engaging in conversation.
@@SavageRodent You cannot really separate progression system from gameplay mechanics when said progression also includes new gameplay options though. You not only get stronger numerically but also unlock new characters, and as such get access to new teambuilding options and ability to interact with certain mechanics in new ways. Or don't, depending on your wallet and your luck. Also what I described in my GI example directly affects the exploration process. It's just not as exciting to know you will not get anything truly valuable other than some premium currency anyway, it hinders the sense of discovery. I actually do agree that on fundamental level gameplay mechanics in the gacha games might get pretty interesting. That only started happening recently though, by far and large they still are simplified versions of their traditional counterparts. Elemental system in GI with its hidden ele gauges and energy funneling is a fascinating idea that is still quite underutilized. Same with WuWa which has interesting swapping mechanics (although they do clash with aggressive bosses that provide very little windows to utilize them). But like you've said, it's all sabotaged by the mobile design, cause when the bar of execution is set so low you don't need to engage and understand most of these mechanics, it's like multiplying by zero. Not to mention that the easiest solution to any problem in a gacha game is not to git gud, but to get and build new meta character that will make the challenge more tolerable. That's precisely why I stand by saying that it's fair to assume gameplay mechanics aren't the top priority for most gacha players. It doesn't matter if the game has some interesting gameplay ideas if you need to go out of your way and do self imposed challenges to appreciate them like trying to bruteforce the endgame with off meta units, that's what less than 1% of players do. Thank you too. It's nice to exchange opinions without any unnecessary insults and the like once in a while lol.
amazing video! first video i've seen from you, and I want to say three things: 1. I feel the term "gacha game" is probably best used to describe the monetization type/style of a game, NOT the gameplay. But even this has flaws, as gacha games I play (HSR, ZZZ) have a battle pass and daily/weekly reward system, which could make problems. What do you classify gacha games as? Gacha games? Live service games? Both? In my opinion it's vague even monetization-wise and that's the problem you pointed out. 2. I play gacha games, and I enjoy the gacha mechanic, but I am NOT going to defend it at all. To me, I like it for the gambler's thrill, if that makes any sense. I play gacha games completely F2P, so this "safe gambling" where I don't spend a dime but still get the same rush is very fun and inticing to me. But like I said, I won't defend this mechanic, as it is there to hook people into gambling their REAL money away on a chance to get something good. 3. I play gacha games somewhat casually, and I don't really put much effort into building my characters. HSR is my main gacha game, which I got into beccause of the "sci-fi" aesthetic and the characters. I play HSR for the characters and lore mainly, and IDK about other gacha players, but imo getting a character that is important to you or to the story can feel so rewarding and amaziing, and I feel that's why most people like gacha games, to play as their "dream" characters. (the "play as your husbando/waifu" thing adds to this too most likely) Sorry for the long comment, I just wanted to share my thoughs and experiences about gacha games. But I hope my comment is at least interesting to read
No need to apologize for the long comment. It's a different viewpoint from myself, so it gave me something to think about. I guess I never thought about the gambling thrill, which is a pretty obvious reason for why people would like gacha games. Such an oversight on my part. The thing that still gets me though is the majority of time spent in these games isn't really engaging with the gacha mechanic, which to me implies that someone would primarily play a gacha game not for the gacha mechanic but for some other reason. And my next thought would then be is would the game be better or worse without the gacha mechanic.
@@SavageRodenthonestly,I feel like most gacha games would be better without it, because as much as I like the thrill (f2p btw)it can be so annoying when you want one character but you can't either because of sheer bad luck or because you don't have enough premium currency and don't have the time to grind before the banner is gone ,wich is why even the best gacha games will never surpass an 8/10(aside from maybe limbus Company but the game is so generous the gacha is basically optional)
@@AdamDj-ic3kr 100% agree. The question I'm wondering though is for the people that like the gacha mechanic, would removing that mechanic make the game better or worse for them, and would they still play it?
Lol, never heard of you but the YT algorithm recommended this video for me. I personally like gatcha games, or rather I like Genshin and try other gatchas, because I like the resin system. I like to maximize my characters so in a normal game I reach a point, where I have the best weapons, where I've "beat" the game. But in Genshin it is not really possible to maximize a character. Even if I were to farm a whole weekend, I wouldn't have the resin for it. This way, I have something I can do every day. And it doesn't take long, I get back from work, play like half an hour genshin and am happy. I am sure I am an outlier, at least it feels like that on social media, but it is always what you expect from the game. For 0$ I have now multiple years of entertainment and for the time it takes to have a character at an acceptable level I have saved up enough primos for a new one.
I can definitely understand the feeling of logging in for a half hour every day and (hopefully) make progress to building characters. There is satisfaction there, but I don't like the feeling of having to do it every day otherwise you lose out on resources. Sometimes there are days where I don't want to play, and that's where you start to feel pressure and begin to get burnt out. Having an energy overflow storage, like what is in HSR, helps alleviate this problem, but you still have to login to continue to accumulate pull currency, which I think is a larger contributor to the pressure felt and is probably more so the issue. But like you've pointed out, it's hard to argue against how much entertainment you can get from these games with a price tag of $0. I suppose we can thank our local whales for that. lol
W Yap fest.
The yappiest of yap fests.
Semantics
Just a show of hands.. how many of you will not spend during 4.4?
I'm not spending at all. And since I got QiQi from my pulls (not a joke), I'm just about done playing the game altogether tbh.
Guys is like 3 years like LITERALLY 3 YEARS and they are giving us only 3 interwind fate
Guys is like 3 years like LITERALLY 3 YEARS and they are giving us only 3 interwind fate
The part that you labeled as EN Community rant feels insulting towards the viewer. I know this part is meant for the white knights and I agree with the points you make, but when creating a discussion video it's important to be respectful to the viewers. I don't think your intention was to pick a fight with the entire audience but it still feels a little irritating to the people who are on your side.
@Kotzcii It's probably because it can be interpreted that I'm talking to the viewers, which isn't really the case. I think most people understand what someone means when they mention the EN community, or any community honestly, in a negative way. And it's not just the white knights that I talk about, but content creators as well. That's why I labeled it as "EN community" because content creators I think are a significant part of the community. But I think it's primarily how I'm representing the other side in the rant which can come off as the rant being made towards the viewer. I still appreciate the criticism though.
thank you for speaking up. and nice first video. people just cant take constructive criticism. why cant they learn its to make the game better. in this case fix the game. its like the playerbase is helping hoyo poor their shit in their mouths
Genshit.. nice name imma use it from now😂 thanks for it
Yeah, all whales should take a stance to stop this from being encouraged.
Excellent work! I agree about the surveys but we need to keep doing it. Nothing wrong in speaking out about the game's issues, but a lot wrong in simps stopping while insulting people from speaking up.
Heres the thing.. Constructively Criticism is Fine Lazy Criticism is typically What gets Railed Against. No One Is Defending A Company If your Someone who thinks that your Value as a Player is based on how much Free Shit You Get then Im Sorry Thats Really Sad You have People Pretending there actually being Abused Because there not being Given Chips to A Slot Machine HSR is not Generous. Outside One 4 Star theres no Accessible IMG Character you can use in a game that requires Team Diversity And Even then his full Potential Requires His LC its was a Sales Tactic As for Complaints Mtashed and Tectone the Guys who raved about wanting PVP in Genshin. No see ive seen Fans say a lot of Shit Simulated Universe as Genshin Endgame... Look Up Elysium Realm from Honkai Impact 3rd That SU in Genshin and it Sucks (Story is Good) Lets be real do you really want an Endgame based on luck? Thats what artifacts are there RNG you want people who like Combat to be forced into the coal mines like certain players So they can say "Look at my C6 R5 Yelan" and justify there gambling or justify there Grind. Real Endgame takes time not the Shallow Shit People take from Other Games i Mean ACTUAL repeatable content Your going to shit on people and pretend that if there not on your side they must be taking the side of a company Or reflect and say "Yeah me and My Peers have been Lazy with our Critque" Like that dumb conspiracy theory that even got the year wrong or the idea that one person in the company is making all the decisions for Genshin Its a cheap Cop Out for the game not meeting Your personal expectations be upset. But dont shit on other people when they see behavior like this as childish Heres the truth if it were also up to those CN "chads" Men wouldnt be in the game as well Its a slipper slope when you give people power.
Ive stopped filling out those surveys a long time ago. Those are a waste of time.
@Badkhela It's definitely a waste of time if it's a Genshit survey.
Yeah i only do it if its for primos
Nice first video, I agree that as a community we need to come together and absolutely fumble the revenue for someone like the pyro archon or some other OP Meta character that would usually have the biggest sales for them to actually feel an impact where they care, their pockets
PS: cool abyss teams
@davidecimino7112 Yeah I'm not spending anything on the game anymore until they start doing more. I did stop buying the bp before 4.0, so I guess now I stop buying welkins.
Apologies in advance for my way of speaking in the video. Again I'm not a content creator nor did I go to school for acting. Maybe that's not a good enough excuse, but sue me then.
So first video, you regurgulate information and opinion from actual content creators days later adding nothing but unimaginative cussing to the topic while still playing a game you call shit. I'm pretty sure there's a burn here somwhere especially from a player signing in every day raving about how gatcha games are evil but I'll let it slide. Everyone knows Genshin is threated poorly - and I'm not talking about freebies but innovation and quality of life changes - and the content creators already analised to death why before you jumped in and copy pasted their work to claim it yours. Tbh in this context you feel even more lazy than the ones you criticise and I don't include money hungry only because with this viewer count I don't think you will get more than pocket change. I agree that you are not a content creator because that would require original content and this here doesn't even reach reddit post reading ai voice level, at least there is a platform change to those. To add insult to injury you did two things those content creators didn't, you disrespected the designers and coders, calling their work shit because of decisions their higher ups made and called the players names because - I don't know - superiority complex I guess. Now you might have meant to insult those who would do the mental gimnastics to explain why not getting a 5* in Genshin is a good thing but sadly you didn't succeed...at all. So not only did you proceed to beat an already dead horse you cheerfully called the "owner" of said dead horse pathetic idiots. I'm not sure you are in any position to say anything about Hoyo putting their foot in their mouth after this. If you ever want to be a content creator, try harder!
Is it my fault that idc whats happening? I just enjoy the game for what it is and having fun playing how i want it to be also never even every gacha i played encourage me or forced me to pay anything guess thats my fault too? Just saying
@projectsin8216 It's not your fault if you enjoy the game for what it is and you're not arguing against a lot of the criticisms of the game, but you aren't helping either. And I wasn't helping either since I wasn't outspoken. That doesn't mean you're at fault though. Nothing is perfect, and Genshin is far from a perfect game. And what players are generally asking for doesn't change the game fundamentally. We want more ways to enjoy the game, and QoL stuff to polish up what's already there. But people arguing the criticisms of the game are essentially saying the game is perfect and can't be better than what it is, when that's simply not the case. Those are the people at fault.
@@SavageRodent fair its just that i really dont care at all guess im one those who just wait and see what happens and reap the rewards if they give it or not.
@@SavageRodent fair its just that i really dont care at all guess im one those who just wait and see what happens and reap the rewards if they give it or not.
@@projectsin8216 Yeah I usually just wait and see what happens too, but after playing the game for 3 years now and nothing really changing, I figured I should put my thoughts out there. And making a video is the best way to do that.
DUDE YOURE JUST LIKE ME PREACH
Thanks for the early stream
Hey I appreciate the comment and your time watching the stream. I'll probably try to stream tonight or about 12 hours from now and do exploration. Stop by again if you're interested, and feel free to ama. I'll do my best to answer.
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this is hella funny