Man in love with CNC machining and his S13 Silvia combines the two in his garage. You'll see CNC machines being used, CNC machines being built, and mad projects that only someone with a CNC and a Silvia in their garage would do.
I would think they would use a Blanchard grinder. The large rotating disk type. With a mag chuck on a carousel.
@martin-it4jb12 күн бұрын
Great video. Cant doge the feeling that some talking head clips look color ungraded/too grey colors. Some more contrast and saturation would be nice.
@machsuper10 күн бұрын
I agree, I don’t know what I was thinking with some of the colour choices. I like the idea of a raw, high dynamic range look, but I didn’t pull it off well. I actually bought the camera hours before filming.
@nowar922019 күн бұрын
Why not pay a mold making company to make some molds out of aluminium!? And why not machine the aluminium urself!? That machine would do it fine! Take the 5 axis head off, run it as 3axis so it's more rigid, just take ur time with the aluminium if it's hard to take deep cuts. I just feel like it's sooo silly to spend 10k building a 5axis to make molds without even knowing how molds are made and what material ul be making molds out of.. Just sounds odd Great project tho!
@machsuper18 күн бұрын
For sure it was a very dumb thing to do from that perspective. In truth, that was the reason I gave for making the machine, but the real reason was that I just wanted to try making the machine. And when the time came to use the machine for its purpose, I got bored. I really just want to make CNC machines.
@nowar922018 күн бұрын
@@machsuper I get it, I've done alot of comparably silly things also, regardless beautiful machine! And job well done!!
@user-xz7xy8yf4w20 күн бұрын
Autism brought me here.
@machsuper12 күн бұрын
This program brought to you by autism!
@craigywaigy470322 күн бұрын
OH DEAR - Let's Scrape for scrapings sake......?! THE ONLY TIME TO SCRAPE ANY WAY/SLIDING SURFACE IS WHERE IT IS UNDER HEAVY LOAD....... This is specifically WHY eg. MILL beds are not scraped but its knee ways and column are.... Scraping is DESIGNED to retain sub-decamicron amounts of way oil IN HYDROSTATIC COMPRESSION(pockets of oil under compression(like a ball SCREW in mechanical terms, for example). .... The reason WHY MILL TABLE SURFACES AREN'T SCRAPED IS BECAUSE YOU WANT AS MUCH STATIC FRICTION(AKA GRIP) UPON ITS SURFACE UNLIKE A WAY(including it's front and rear sides) ! Sorry for being blunt, but human time and energy are precious, and when it's misguided through ignorance, then that's tragic.. BTW The referencing to "Chinese..machines." inferring cheapness, is because we're too cheap(economic means, geographical locale..) to be able to purchase new top quality equipment. If one is on YT seeking knowledge in this field, then it's a given that we are amatuers, and have amatuer(hobby) machines. Thank you China for giving MILLIONS of peeps worldwide the chance to learn and develop their skills(on amatuer machines) which we can improve as do our skills) which serve INCREDIBLY PRACTICAL AND SUSTAINABLE REASONS. Rant over - Signed. A Machine Tool Fitter/Turner(Retired).
@marklagana276923 күн бұрын
another key point for why 2 flat surfaces being bolted together need to be flat; it may seem flat and square to the naked eye when in reality it's sitting on 3 or 4 high spots. So you tighten and commision your machine, and after some use and vibration, those high spots disappear introducing backlash and error
@marklagana276923 күн бұрын
great video / channel btw!
@Spark-HoleАй бұрын
I doubt if Chinese cast iron is stable enough in long term compare to Japs one. The casting technique, Chinese always cut cost.
@dougyt261Ай бұрын
I would think they have bad to no stress relief process it's then machined flat, then slowly moves and twists out of flat.
@jonholzworth4463Ай бұрын
I watched all of your videos on this channel tonight. Awesome content. I subscribed and hope there is more to come. And, if you every need advise regarding 3D modeling, feel free to reach out. It's what I do for a living, and I love teaching the skill to others.
@machsuperАй бұрын
Thank you so much Jon! I can’t believe I’ve made videos that would draw someone in for an hour or so! What type of 3D modelling? Engineering brep or mesh modelling?
@Zebra66Ай бұрын
If I was building my machine again I would never use steppers. If you need any sort of accuracy forget it... unless you cut super slow. I can almost guarantee that this is the source of his accuracy issues. Not the rigidity (he's cutting plastic and wood...). Looks like he's using 5mm balls screws so he'll have to run the steppers fast just to get moderate speed. Steppers have all their torque at low speed and it drops quickly as speed increases. In other words, unless you cut at a snails pace it doesn't take much to make steppers miss steps and the tool can be a mm (or more) off by the end of the job. That's a lot for molds and patterns that need to fit together. There is a ton of bad advice online but telling everyone to use steppers in forums is the worst. If you're making molds and patterns... like this guy... get servos.
@horsthacker9990Ай бұрын
🤣 outro commect 😂 then i must have autism at highest level.. staying till the end and waiting for more to come at a black screen 🤪
@sharkbaitsurferАй бұрын
Guys, a termendous amount of work and effort went into that, both from the effort scraping and documenting it - really appreciate that you've shared that knowledge and information - phenomenal job! Subscription worthy!
@machsuperАй бұрын
Cheers Sharkbait! It was a lot of work, but I loved doing it all.
@kylegoldston2 ай бұрын
Did you try corian countertop material?
@87osvald2 ай бұрын
What software did you use to animate the videos showing the toolhead?
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
All done in Blender :)
@hikolanikola87752 ай бұрын
i made a moving table design, and i really have no complaints... i get the most stifnes out of that type of design...
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
What did you make the chassis with?
@hikolanikola87752 ай бұрын
@@machsuper A combination of steel profiles , steel bended metal and cast aluminum whereever the rails go to reduce vibration with material combinations.
@En1Gm4A2 ай бұрын
Hi there, thx for the Video, one question: Why useing Steppers with Harmonic drives over servos? is this default design metric for a CNC Machnie and what Actuators where used for x y and z axis? Thx in advance
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
G’day mate, I used steppers because they were cheap and I had no experience with servos. I felt safe that I wouldn’t lose steps because the gear reduction was huge. I had a safety slip mechanism built into the gearbox so if it crashed, the whole harmonic drive would slip in the housing. It worked perfectly when I crashed it one time. It bent the 8mm stainless rod that was in the spindle, but did no damage to the machine.
@Unl0gic2 ай бұрын
Very cool animations, what software did you use to generate them?
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
Thanks mate. I use Blender for all 3D visuals.
@jpjay15842 ай бұрын
what if I need an RPM of 80-500? and lots of torque. 500 is quite a lot for a harmonic drive.
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
Yeah I’m not sure what to suggest for that other than a two-speed gearbox. Do you need the same torque at all speeds?
@jpjay15842 ай бұрын
more or less, yes. what I realized, I actually need is a direct drive motor. with 20Nm. so I could avoid a drive (even drives are sexy in their appearance.) its for a design project and cost is an issue. I just stumbled over torque motors and direct drive motors that don't need a gear, if the motor is strong enough. thanks for your reply. do you know about Axial Flux motors? @@machsuper
@viktorbarsukov28943 ай бұрын
bmw e vanos uses a Harmonic Drive, i was so surprised when i saw one in real live use.
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
Oh really?! So interesting to imagine one in use in a car.
@adammontgomery79803 ай бұрын
Awesome production value! Is there a reason to scrape the top of the bed? Seems like the ground surface is just fine because you'll probably be using a vice, which is locally as flat as you need. I understand scraping the bearing surfaces for flatness and allowing the bed to ride hydrodynamically on the way lube; it just feels extra to me.
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
I can think of a couple reasons. Having a surface that’s out of spec for flatness is out of spec - it’s not good enough. I don’t actually know what the variation was, but it was probably greater than 20um. Still not huge in most applications, but a bad machine is a bad base for good work. Also, without addressing that surface, you can’t be sure that it’s flat enough or that it’s stable. It might be convex and throw off readings of the flat ways. Making sure its flat would give a better surface for all the future work you do with it, and you can have confidence in it.
@mikemccormack70563 ай бұрын
Super quality production and narration! When I've seen tables like that being machined in China, they've typically had 16-24 (or more) lined up to be ground at once. Your center-right high spot might come from one of the huge grinder's own webbed table supports running directly below that part of your table.
@machsuper3 ай бұрын
Cheers Mike. Very interesting suggestion on the webbing. I’d be curious to compare other tables.
@wildfox19943 ай бұрын
I wish I would have 10 grand at 19 to build 5 axis CNC machine
@machsuper2 ай бұрын
I wish I had 10 grand at 29 to build one now 😅
@carneeki3 ай бұрын
Came here (to the channel) for the harmonic drive, stayed for the scraping. As someone else who learned from Marcus it was great to see so many of these concepts again, makes me want to come back and bring my mill table next time.
@FreeMind50943 ай бұрын
All of this effort,time and cost with a plastic vrnoer calipers, wow
@machsuper3 ай бұрын
I know. Dumb.
@KingZeusCLE3 ай бұрын
Well done. I know its not a hard one, but anyone have the model?
@KingZeusCLE3 ай бұрын
Well done. Anyone have the model?
@Airtight2153 ай бұрын
1. A “pro” would never get a hobby mill, let alone a trash one. 2. No one worth their labor rate would ever even consider scraping a mill table. It’s as if you just don’t understand...
@machsuper3 ай бұрын
Additionally, a pro doesn’t need to watch this video to get their work done. That’s why none are, it’s curious hobbyists, and professionals who like seeing what others are doing with machines that watch this video. It’s entertainment as much as it is education. Thanks for watching ☺️
@jacob_90s3 ай бұрын
Superbly done.
@wingez24453 ай бұрын
good job
@sccolbert3 ай бұрын
When you do the hinge test (what you call the "pivot" test), the hinge/pivot points should be roughly 22% away from the ends. These are the Bessel/Airy points. If your part prints blue along the whole surface, and hinges at those points, you can be reasonably sure that it is flat.
@rogeri57433 ай бұрын
I like you style. web style
@RealLatinGeek3 ай бұрын
I most likely got this recommended from my history with machining videos but your VFX and aesthetic is stunning, and right up my alley. Beautiful stuff- I've seen proper televised documentaries with worse VFX.
@sozonpv3 ай бұрын
Awesome! What software was that animation created in?
@josephgeorge4953 ай бұрын
I am struggling with machine configuration, please help me
@derekrussell99254 ай бұрын
Good job
@MoritzWeller4 ай бұрын
As someone completely new to the DIY hobby but affine to 3D visualization I can only express my highest appreciation for both the effort you put into visualizing the 5-axis concepts you implemented as well as the effort you put into the project itself. Very inspiring!
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Thank you, it’s really nice to have someone aware of the challenge appreciating the work. Gotta dream big.
@boryswwa4 ай бұрын
Even though the result of a project you made didn't turn out to be useful in the area you hoped it would be useful for, what you learnt while making it, will stay with you till the end of your life and potentially make other projects significantly more doable for you. That alone, is orders of magnitude more valuable than the machine you've made. Incredibly impressive project. While on university, I wanted to make a simple 4 DOF robot arm (kinda of what you can now buy in kits these days, but it wasn't the case back then), but thinking about the challenges that would come with kinematics ( really wanted the tool end linear movement approximation) made me abandon the project. You did that as if it was nothing, and way ore than that. Incredible skill. Congratulations!
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct. I definitely didn’t take full advantage if what I had once completed, but I am now trying to take full advantage of what I learned. Robot arms are intimidating, aren’t they? I started trying to program a 6 axis arm from scratch one time and I was gradually finding answers, but I never stuck with it long enough to see it through. Too busy. Thank you for the great comment. I’m caught up in starting a completely separate company now, but I’ve got passionate dreams about machines to build in the future that I WILL do.
@Narwaro4 ай бұрын
From building milling machines professionally: If you can - by any means - make it more rigid, make it more rigid! Make it more rigid until there is no crane that can lift it, no truck that can carry it, no servo that can move its axis, no customer that can pay for it and then back off about 15%.
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Hahaha yeah, well said. Rigidity is king in machining.
@Narwaro4 ай бұрын
Back in the day tables and slideways were usually done with a planer. Its very slow by todays standards, but probably as fast as grinding and has no tooling costs and makes flat surfaces with exceptional finishes. Youll notice planed tables by the stripes/lines in the finish
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Why do you think they stopped doing it that way?
@TerryBecker-bw1vx4 ай бұрын
It's all about the journey and not so much the destination? ; )
@stevecarlisle33234 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks. I can only hope that you are using your skills you acquired with designing 5 axis, in your day job.
@juliobynight24954 ай бұрын
Respect ! came across your video, awsome work !
@JulianMakes4 ай бұрын
just brilliant! subbed clicked the bell etc etc v v v cool man
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Thank you Julian.
@johnandersen89994 ай бұрын
I've got a feeling you're going to see some channel growth real soon.
@LordFokas4 ай бұрын
> Spends 4k on a machine just to make a couple parts for another machine. > Measures produced parts with cheapest plastic calipers available. You may need to get your logic checked there, mate. :p
@deepanksr50664 ай бұрын
you have one of the most useful skills on this planet.
@machsuper4 ай бұрын
Which skill is that?
@deepanksr50664 ай бұрын
@@machsuper the ability to design and manufacture the best type of manufacturing machine.
@ml11864 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@escorza_engineerings4 ай бұрын
Excellent video! an autistic guy from France :p
@cvspvr4 ай бұрын
you should scrape your friend marcus from the gold coast so that his face is flat to within 1 micron
@udgamcl4 ай бұрын
do you have a patreon so i can send you money for a shirt that fits?
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I would think they would use a Blanchard grinder. The large rotating disk type. With a mag chuck on a carousel.
Great video. Cant doge the feeling that some talking head clips look color ungraded/too grey colors. Some more contrast and saturation would be nice.
I agree, I don’t know what I was thinking with some of the colour choices. I like the idea of a raw, high dynamic range look, but I didn’t pull it off well. I actually bought the camera hours before filming.
Why not pay a mold making company to make some molds out of aluminium!? And why not machine the aluminium urself!? That machine would do it fine! Take the 5 axis head off, run it as 3axis so it's more rigid, just take ur time with the aluminium if it's hard to take deep cuts. I just feel like it's sooo silly to spend 10k building a 5axis to make molds without even knowing how molds are made and what material ul be making molds out of.. Just sounds odd Great project tho!
For sure it was a very dumb thing to do from that perspective. In truth, that was the reason I gave for making the machine, but the real reason was that I just wanted to try making the machine. And when the time came to use the machine for its purpose, I got bored. I really just want to make CNC machines.
@@machsuper I get it, I've done alot of comparably silly things also, regardless beautiful machine! And job well done!!
Autism brought me here.
This program brought to you by autism!
OH DEAR - Let's Scrape for scrapings sake......?! THE ONLY TIME TO SCRAPE ANY WAY/SLIDING SURFACE IS WHERE IT IS UNDER HEAVY LOAD....... This is specifically WHY eg. MILL beds are not scraped but its knee ways and column are.... Scraping is DESIGNED to retain sub-decamicron amounts of way oil IN HYDROSTATIC COMPRESSION(pockets of oil under compression(like a ball SCREW in mechanical terms, for example). .... The reason WHY MILL TABLE SURFACES AREN'T SCRAPED IS BECAUSE YOU WANT AS MUCH STATIC FRICTION(AKA GRIP) UPON ITS SURFACE UNLIKE A WAY(including it's front and rear sides) ! Sorry for being blunt, but human time and energy are precious, and when it's misguided through ignorance, then that's tragic.. BTW The referencing to "Chinese..machines." inferring cheapness, is because we're too cheap(economic means, geographical locale..) to be able to purchase new top quality equipment. If one is on YT seeking knowledge in this field, then it's a given that we are amatuers, and have amatuer(hobby) machines. Thank you China for giving MILLIONS of peeps worldwide the chance to learn and develop their skills(on amatuer machines) which we can improve as do our skills) which serve INCREDIBLY PRACTICAL AND SUSTAINABLE REASONS. Rant over - Signed. A Machine Tool Fitter/Turner(Retired).
another key point for why 2 flat surfaces being bolted together need to be flat; it may seem flat and square to the naked eye when in reality it's sitting on 3 or 4 high spots. So you tighten and commision your machine, and after some use and vibration, those high spots disappear introducing backlash and error
great video / channel btw!
I doubt if Chinese cast iron is stable enough in long term compare to Japs one. The casting technique, Chinese always cut cost.
I would think they have bad to no stress relief process it's then machined flat, then slowly moves and twists out of flat.
I watched all of your videos on this channel tonight. Awesome content. I subscribed and hope there is more to come. And, if you every need advise regarding 3D modeling, feel free to reach out. It's what I do for a living, and I love teaching the skill to others.
Thank you so much Jon! I can’t believe I’ve made videos that would draw someone in for an hour or so! What type of 3D modelling? Engineering brep or mesh modelling?
If I was building my machine again I would never use steppers. If you need any sort of accuracy forget it... unless you cut super slow. I can almost guarantee that this is the source of his accuracy issues. Not the rigidity (he's cutting plastic and wood...). Looks like he's using 5mm balls screws so he'll have to run the steppers fast just to get moderate speed. Steppers have all their torque at low speed and it drops quickly as speed increases. In other words, unless you cut at a snails pace it doesn't take much to make steppers miss steps and the tool can be a mm (or more) off by the end of the job. That's a lot for molds and patterns that need to fit together. There is a ton of bad advice online but telling everyone to use steppers in forums is the worst. If you're making molds and patterns... like this guy... get servos.
🤣 outro commect 😂 then i must have autism at highest level.. staying till the end and waiting for more to come at a black screen 🤪
Guys, a termendous amount of work and effort went into that, both from the effort scraping and documenting it - really appreciate that you've shared that knowledge and information - phenomenal job! Subscription worthy!
Cheers Sharkbait! It was a lot of work, but I loved doing it all.
Did you try corian countertop material?
What software did you use to animate the videos showing the toolhead?
All done in Blender :)
i made a moving table design, and i really have no complaints... i get the most stifnes out of that type of design...
What did you make the chassis with?
@@machsuper A combination of steel profiles , steel bended metal and cast aluminum whereever the rails go to reduce vibration with material combinations.
Hi there, thx for the Video, one question: Why useing Steppers with Harmonic drives over servos? is this default design metric for a CNC Machnie and what Actuators where used for x y and z axis? Thx in advance
G’day mate, I used steppers because they were cheap and I had no experience with servos. I felt safe that I wouldn’t lose steps because the gear reduction was huge. I had a safety slip mechanism built into the gearbox so if it crashed, the whole harmonic drive would slip in the housing. It worked perfectly when I crashed it one time. It bent the 8mm stainless rod that was in the spindle, but did no damage to the machine.
Very cool animations, what software did you use to generate them?
Thanks mate. I use Blender for all 3D visuals.
what if I need an RPM of 80-500? and lots of torque. 500 is quite a lot for a harmonic drive.
Yeah I’m not sure what to suggest for that other than a two-speed gearbox. Do you need the same torque at all speeds?
more or less, yes. what I realized, I actually need is a direct drive motor. with 20Nm. so I could avoid a drive (even drives are sexy in their appearance.) its for a design project and cost is an issue. I just stumbled over torque motors and direct drive motors that don't need a gear, if the motor is strong enough. thanks for your reply. do you know about Axial Flux motors? @@machsuper
bmw e vanos uses a Harmonic Drive, i was so surprised when i saw one in real live use.
Oh really?! So interesting to imagine one in use in a car.
Awesome production value! Is there a reason to scrape the top of the bed? Seems like the ground surface is just fine because you'll probably be using a vice, which is locally as flat as you need. I understand scraping the bearing surfaces for flatness and allowing the bed to ride hydrodynamically on the way lube; it just feels extra to me.
I can think of a couple reasons. Having a surface that’s out of spec for flatness is out of spec - it’s not good enough. I don’t actually know what the variation was, but it was probably greater than 20um. Still not huge in most applications, but a bad machine is a bad base for good work. Also, without addressing that surface, you can’t be sure that it’s flat enough or that it’s stable. It might be convex and throw off readings of the flat ways. Making sure its flat would give a better surface for all the future work you do with it, and you can have confidence in it.
Super quality production and narration! When I've seen tables like that being machined in China, they've typically had 16-24 (or more) lined up to be ground at once. Your center-right high spot might come from one of the huge grinder's own webbed table supports running directly below that part of your table.
Cheers Mike. Very interesting suggestion on the webbing. I’d be curious to compare other tables.
I wish I would have 10 grand at 19 to build 5 axis CNC machine
I wish I had 10 grand at 29 to build one now 😅
Came here (to the channel) for the harmonic drive, stayed for the scraping. As someone else who learned from Marcus it was great to see so many of these concepts again, makes me want to come back and bring my mill table next time.
All of this effort,time and cost with a plastic vrnoer calipers, wow
I know. Dumb.
Well done. I know its not a hard one, but anyone have the model?
Well done. Anyone have the model?
1. A “pro” would never get a hobby mill, let alone a trash one. 2. No one worth their labor rate would ever even consider scraping a mill table. It’s as if you just don’t understand...
Additionally, a pro doesn’t need to watch this video to get their work done. That’s why none are, it’s curious hobbyists, and professionals who like seeing what others are doing with machines that watch this video. It’s entertainment as much as it is education. Thanks for watching ☺️
Superbly done.
good job
When you do the hinge test (what you call the "pivot" test), the hinge/pivot points should be roughly 22% away from the ends. These are the Bessel/Airy points. If your part prints blue along the whole surface, and hinges at those points, you can be reasonably sure that it is flat.
I like you style. web style
I most likely got this recommended from my history with machining videos but your VFX and aesthetic is stunning, and right up my alley. Beautiful stuff- I've seen proper televised documentaries with worse VFX.
Awesome! What software was that animation created in?
I am struggling with machine configuration, please help me
Good job
As someone completely new to the DIY hobby but affine to 3D visualization I can only express my highest appreciation for both the effort you put into visualizing the 5-axis concepts you implemented as well as the effort you put into the project itself. Very inspiring!
Thank you, it’s really nice to have someone aware of the challenge appreciating the work. Gotta dream big.
Even though the result of a project you made didn't turn out to be useful in the area you hoped it would be useful for, what you learnt while making it, will stay with you till the end of your life and potentially make other projects significantly more doable for you. That alone, is orders of magnitude more valuable than the machine you've made. Incredibly impressive project. While on university, I wanted to make a simple 4 DOF robot arm (kinda of what you can now buy in kits these days, but it wasn't the case back then), but thinking about the challenges that would come with kinematics ( really wanted the tool end linear movement approximation) made me abandon the project. You did that as if it was nothing, and way ore than that. Incredible skill. Congratulations!
Absolutely correct. I definitely didn’t take full advantage if what I had once completed, but I am now trying to take full advantage of what I learned. Robot arms are intimidating, aren’t they? I started trying to program a 6 axis arm from scratch one time and I was gradually finding answers, but I never stuck with it long enough to see it through. Too busy. Thank you for the great comment. I’m caught up in starting a completely separate company now, but I’ve got passionate dreams about machines to build in the future that I WILL do.
From building milling machines professionally: If you can - by any means - make it more rigid, make it more rigid! Make it more rigid until there is no crane that can lift it, no truck that can carry it, no servo that can move its axis, no customer that can pay for it and then back off about 15%.
Hahaha yeah, well said. Rigidity is king in machining.
Back in the day tables and slideways were usually done with a planer. Its very slow by todays standards, but probably as fast as grinding and has no tooling costs and makes flat surfaces with exceptional finishes. Youll notice planed tables by the stripes/lines in the finish
Why do you think they stopped doing it that way?
It's all about the journey and not so much the destination? ; )
Great video, thanks. I can only hope that you are using your skills you acquired with designing 5 axis, in your day job.
Respect ! came across your video, awsome work !
just brilliant! subbed clicked the bell etc etc v v v cool man
Thank you Julian.
I've got a feeling you're going to see some channel growth real soon.
> Spends 4k on a machine just to make a couple parts for another machine. > Measures produced parts with cheapest plastic calipers available. You may need to get your logic checked there, mate. :p
you have one of the most useful skills on this planet.
Which skill is that?
@@machsuper the ability to design and manufacture the best type of manufacturing machine.
Awesome!
Excellent video! an autistic guy from France :p
you should scrape your friend marcus from the gold coast so that his face is flat to within 1 micron
do you have a patreon so i can send you money for a shirt that fits?