This channel attempts to provide educational information, sometimes on how to do things and sometimes on how not to do things. 2013 and 2014 focused on dealing with trees while your feet are on the ground. 2016 will cover Learning Opportunities while climbing trees. With luck, 2017 will start covering minor blacksmithing projects.
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I’ll admit I have done multiple cuts with a ladder and pole chainsaw. I do a phased cut, where I’m leaned relatively closed to the branch that I’m cutting. I cut coming up from the bottom, right until I see and feel the pinch of the pole saw starting to happen. I then start to cut top down up to a point. I come down and reposition the ladder to where the main trunk is between me and the branch I’m cutting. I then finish the cut, and the branch falls straight down, as opposed to doing any kind of swing. It’s my poor man’s mock version of the face cut that I know arborists use in cutting that upside down Humboldt style of cutting. I know it’s still risky, and know many things can happen, but I’m not paying someone to cut branches that are 15 feet high. The trees I contend with are 25 to 35 footers in Central Texas. Not the behemoths people in the Northwest and Northeast have to contend with. I wouldn’t even remotely kid myself in trying to prune those types of branches. I say this, as I do think I’m being as safe and intelligent with a ladder and pole saw, as I reasonably can. I have helped elderly neighbors with downed branches and trees with multiple years of freezes and tornadoes knocking over trees. My pruning lead to zero downed trees on my property from the recent tornadoes. I’m doing something somewhat right, when I might be quite literally one of the few people in my neighborhood who hasn’t had a downed tree in the last three year period. Again, I readily admit I know I’m taking risks, but I’m a critical thinker, even if I’m a very green with chainsaws and 2-cycle equipment in general.
Greetings, I am from Spanish-Argentine origin, and in northern areas they use machetes. We like relatively cheap machetes "specially Tramontina" because we can sharpen them with any smooth stone in a few passes (it's an advantage), and extending the life of the useful edge is important, even if you can sharpen it easily. A trick that I do "with my 18 Inch Tramontina" is that when I cut a cane or a branch, and when at the first blow, I left it on the verge of breaking, but it didn't break completely "but it's ready", I don't hit again with the edge, but instead I hit with the counter edge so that it finishes opening. It happened to you at minute (1:54). It's not bad to use the edge twice, but if you're going to do a lot of work with it, or if you want to conserve time and effort sharpening it's edge (Although in the case of your minute (1:54) you used 3 strokes). Hypothetically, let's say you use two for each broken branch. I think that... > Example. You do 100 hits, but that happens to you (1:54) in 40% of the cases. In that case you have to give 40 more machete blows with the edge, that means that you have given 140 machete blows. Let's imagine what happens to you in the second case in 30 and in the third case in 20 percent of the cases. If you use the counter edge to finish opening it... 1st Case - (40 Extra Hits*100%;140 Total Hits = 28.54 % or 30% by Rounding) 2nd Case - (30 Extra Hits*100%;130 Total Hits = 23.07 % or 25% by Rounding). 3th Case - (20 Extra Hits*100%;120 Total Hits = 16,66 % or 20% by Rounding). You are extending the useful life of your edge by almost 20 to 30 percent, (25 in average) which means that you will be able to take 25 plus hits each 100 hits before sharpening it, with the same steel, same price, same brand, same wood. I call this, economy of effort and time, important in survival, and also when they pay you for production and not for hours worked. It is also good to use your hand, foot or another piece of wood In case you don't want to use the counter edge either. > Greetings.
Tramontinas are my favorite.
@@terryhale9006 For quality/price, I like them a lot. I don't know if they are the best, but it is one of the best options. Let's see if one day when I have more money I buy a North American Ontario, which I've been told is good.
@@Szadek9998 I've had both and have a mild preference for the Tramontinas.
@@terryhale9006 You are American, and you have both, I don't, so your opinion is very valuable. Thank you very much, now I appreciate what I have more. Aesthetically, the Tramontina is beautiful, and by usage, there is a very good reputation with the Collins and the Truppers. But in Latin America I think Tramontina is one of the best in terms of quality and price. :)
Awesome video. First time here but just subscribed! Great information and straight to the point. Please keep making videos.
christ. what a mess. he did a mighty job of unravelling it. :)
someone show this to bucking billy ray or treeson and ask them what they use for a 'ready reckoner' on what's required to down a specific leaner...
You are a beauty, Terry. Wonderful. :)
Excellent treatment, like all of your videos. I discovered a few of these techniques on my own. Whenever I consider using a chainsaw from a ladder, I first stop and ask is there any other possible way to achieve the goal.
Thank you papa you know your machete
I have a similar poplar/tulip. It will land on my neighbor's house if I screw up. My throwball got stuck so I can't make any progress today. Just ordered two more.
So happy to see you back with another great video
Cheaper to buy a new electric winch.
Generator would add to the cost.
This man made so many good point especially about the a machete is made for green wood not dried up and he is correct with green wood it’s easier for the blade to go through
Wonderful work, and explanation. Love how that strip of bark kept the tree alive. My guess was no kickback. I have had several trees fracture that were dead as they hit obstructions on the way down.
After explaining various dangers, I cracked up when he reappeared with a band aid on his forehead. 😅
I enjoy your video, my experience with cutting trees that are leaning and depending on the types of tree it is? Especially cedar's are suseptic for splitting up the trunks, is to stay consistent with the cut and follow through. The faster you are able to cut? It will be less likely to split up the trunk as quickly? I put the question mark in place because if your saw isn't very sharp,it won't cut as fast. Im not saying that only to see how fast you can cut, but yo have control over your cut. I hope this makes sense? The idea is that you want to make accurate cuts and stay alert and stay in the back cut as much as possible to ensure that the fiber's are cut quickly. If you are unsure if it will split then use safety and use a chain or a strap or a rope and wrap the trunk of the tree so it won't split up the trunk and prevent possible injury
Good video on the technique but use snatch blocks and steel cable instead of rope for safety.
Absolutely positively outstanding! Thank you very much, Sir.
You had me interested until you called your bar a "Blade"...8:00
Greetings from dystopian 2024! Thank you for a great video with no irritating music!!!!
Thanks! I like your handle. Would be a great one for a skier who only does double black diamonds.
Finally a real engineer (vs a KZread certified wannabe).. I was a chip designer. so not much trig and mechanical physics req'd for sub-micron wires & transistors... Besides, our "outdoor work" was camping, skiing, hiking, bicycling, snowmobiling, boating, etc., etc. My kudos to your excellent job with the video instruction Terry. By choice, I don't design chips anymore, but I've designed a few ad-hoc "systems" since, that always exceeded the clients expectations. Albeit you agree that the easiest way to get an engineer to do something they don’t really want to do was to tell them that it’s impossible or it cant be done!!! <grins> Continued success...
Magificent!. I know you through tree felling videos, but this is a whole other animal. Kudos to you and your ingenuity.
Thanks, Don. The new pond seems to have sealed itself enough that it is keeping at least some water year-round. Unfortunately, the exposed virgin soil does not seem to be liked by the wildflower seeds I have been spreading each Spring. A few flowers are making it, but it's not nearly the colorful meadow I am waiting for.
Plz post more content if possible on anything- I learn so much from the way you think and problem solve
You are brilliant 🎉🎉🎉
A giant set of log tongs might have been an alternate solution, or nailing it into one of the slots already cut in the log with the saw, but on the backside, so your rope was part way around the log and was imparting a rolling force.
I'm also a blacksmith, it is a lot of hard work upsetting steel that size by hand. I made a similar wedge using a piece of 45mm square trailer axle, which is a medium carbon steel. First I cut the wedge shape in roughly using a lot of angle grinder cut off disks, going from 45mm at the struck end to 20mm at the business end, before putting it into the forge to refine it and then heat treating it. It is way to heavy to keep in your normal felling kit, but I have it if i need it.
It seems most all the trees I take down have no branches to toss a bag over. So I use an extension ladder. And a shorter length of rope, most likely. Yes, less moment arm as a result.
Just out of curiosity, what species of trees are you talking about? I have seen some pines in the south that are basically a pole for the first 60 feet.
This has got to be the absolute best tree-feeling content on all of KZread. Buckin' Billy and TreeSon are great for hands-on, but this goes deeper into the engineering of it all. Folks, I think the main reason you hire a pro to handle a backleaner around a structure has to do with three words: "Licensed, bonded, and insured". Even though we may not be completely incompetent, the decision to tackle certain trees around one's own house would be akin to performing your own brain surgery - only the foolhardy would ever attempt it. Terry thank you so much for sharing your considerable expertise with us, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
5:11 "damage to the stuff you wanna keep alive" 😬😬😬
Thanks for sharing!
This video should be called," When Trees Unite and Revolt". Very well done.
My neighbor used a ladder to climb up into a large maple tree and straddling a branch, sever said large branch with his chainsaw. The branch then proceded to fall and stike his ladder knocking it from the tree (as well as destroying it) leaving him some 20 feet up in the tree on the branch he decided to sit on to make his cut. With no way to climb down the large tree, he was left to sit there several hours until I came home. I now get paid to do the tree care work. Very informative as well as entertaining video Terry Hale. Thank you.
Ooooh. That was a harsh lesson. Thanks for sharing.
When I cut the tree and it starts moving, I want rope that keeps pulling in the right direct for 15% of travel. Rope that becomes slack after 2% movement could let the tree stall and fall left or right.
That's reasonable if you're not going to be actively pulling on the rope. Bear in mind, though, that the amount of pull will drop off rather quickly as the tree begins to move.
The butt of your axe tapers to a point that may be to thin. Be mindful when using that axe to strike steel wedge. or if accidentally hit something harder than AVS
I just became mesmerized with the stuff in this series! I am definately going through these and crunch the numbers before going to attack any bigger trees.
I love the maths approach! Exactly my cup of tea!
This was exactly what I needed to see. I got a good few widowmakers in the forest that I need to be clearing out before the spring gets properly on its way. REALLY important to see a tutorial that has setbacks all the way so I can start copying the ropeworks approach for securing the hanging trunks. Still need to be doing a fair bit of overkill safety on my problem trees but at least I don't have that grape stuff growing here, just trees hanging from trees.
Sounds like a lot of work. Good luck to you!
Terry brings to our attention that wisdom comes with age. The know it all tenderfoots that do something in the outdoors and have suddenly become enlightened is typical. Tiresome are the primadonnas who usually are loud because they innately know no one is listening. Thanks for your great video Terry.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Great!
Very good explanation and warnings about some dangerous situations for newbies who could be unaware of them. I have two trees growing at the angle and I thought they are the easiest ones to fell. Now I need to watch videos about leaning trees to know what could go wrong.
Yay! Congratulations on being one of those who exercises a bit of caution before undertaking that might prove painful or worse. I have a couple videos on leaners, but there are others who are also trying to protect people.
THANX for the video. It's excellent !!
Great! You must have/had snow where you are.
Never saw a chainsaw with a blade.
I also slip and call roots branches.
You did not mention how to get the rope high on the target tree. I use a bow and arrow with a string.
Definitely the way to go for the really high stuff. I can reach about 80 feet with my Bigshot sling shot. That's usually sufficient for here in the northeast, but not always.
The wedge I look for has groves in it such that you could put 2 wedges together and they will not slide sideways.
Not sure how I can use the info. What I have is a bunch of dead trees (re emerald ash borer). want them to remain vertical to dry until I need them for firewood. Now when the wind blows them over, I want them not to fall in one direction which is toward the house (they are not close). Another tree not to fall on driveway. I figure if the hinge is made perpendicular to the unwanted direction it should fall parallel to the unwanted direction. Not sure if I should just cut on either side of the tree with a straight cut or wedge cuts.? not sure if I explained that.
*promosm* 🙌
I'm not an arborist, but wondering if anyone has thoughts about the following. It seem that getting a plunge cut in the right place is tricky, just a slight error could mess up the hinge width and make it too narrow on one side or too high or too low on the far side. So is it prudent or sensible to use the following sequence: 1. Make the plunge cut. 2. Make the notch using the knowledge of the whereabouts of the plunge cut as a guide. 3. Finish off the back cut from within the plunge cut.
The process is actually easier on a larger trunk than on a smaller one. On a large trunk, you can plunge through well back from the hinge, see where your bar emerges and sneak carefully towards the future hinge. On a small trunk, you could easily plunge either too far towards the hinge or too close to the trigger strap. Doing the notch afterwards is really tricky as it can be hard to align the two required cuts to meet at exactly the location you want. It can be pretty hard to control the angle so you get the convergence you want. This is the reason you will often see cutters fussing to clean up the notch cut.
Thanks for replying @@terryhale9006
It's been a long time, nice to see you again.
What pully is he using in the video? Is it ratching to keep the tension, I'm assuming the original man isn't responding to these post considering it's almost 10 years old.
He is still responding. Not a special pulley by any means. Progress was simply tied off.
@terryhale9006 ah, ok, he had mentioned that he was trying to add 3-400 lbs of tension to the line, I assumed that it was some sort of locking pully to keep the tension in place. In my experience, which is limited when I've been adding thr tension it easily will slip off. Also, the follow-up question is the line that you are using "static" or "dynamic" I have been using an old climbing rope which is dynamic, but with its stretch it seems more difficult to keep the tension. But I imagine that using a static line with loads this heavy could be problematic and potentially incredibly dangerous. But it's just a thought.
For me, a ladder, tree, and chainsaw equals the branch getting mad and knocking me off the ladder everytime. I gave it up.
Education. Fear, Trauma. One package. Well done. 👍