He just killed millions. Not every plane pulled by surrogates gas only surrogate passengers.
@struggleneedsstrength90932 жыл бұрын
The best of is no.see
@struggleneedsstrength90932 жыл бұрын
Why have we done this
@struggleneedsstrength90932 жыл бұрын
No glasses
@henkverhaeren37592 жыл бұрын
2022
@MEOW-wv8by3 жыл бұрын
0:01 MICHAEL DEMELLO😍🔥😍🔥😍🔥😍
@jae-bezeviemelody40163 жыл бұрын
In Japan they are using robots to combat a population collapse, that threatens it's very existence. Alot of movies are a glimpse into the future. But the word of God is the whole view of the future. Too many of us are focused on being who we were not created to be, trying to fit into narratives, that we are not suites for. The Lord created us with purpose, to be set apart from the world. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 12:2... Humanity is missing Jesus! Oh Lord we need you!
@alexandriaelony68583 жыл бұрын
Who is still watching this movie in 2021 ? I do, it's a good movie. Thou during 2009 when watched this at cinema, still don't quite understand the "meaning" of this film. Now rewatch again, kinda feels in many of us today, we "sort of" living like this. But ofcoz not with a double "physical body". It's like most commonly, are from internet social networks. A lot of people are just "fakes" in there. I would like to re evaluate this film, we humans can't life exactly like this film, having a "double" and your surrogate is the one that is actively. But if creating surrogate or more like a droid soldiers for war, then yes. Instead of sending someone real out for war and then be kill. Droid soldiers (something like Star Wars' droids) and droid intelligence (like from the movie Stealth) type of war aircrafts, I think it should be considerable for future, if really comes to one day WW III really happens. Certainly, by then I hope I'm not around anymore to witness it. That should be in the very future.
@Erin-Thor3 жыл бұрын
So... this is iRobot 2.0?
@acatssoftnose39403 жыл бұрын
Thinkers on photography that Flusser mentions near the end: 1. Roland Barthes 2. Marshall McLuhan 3. Abraham Moles
@Charlie-xj2qy4 жыл бұрын
2:06 internet memes
@alliedcommander91494 жыл бұрын
Bad thing is we kind of already live like this.
@alexandriaelony68583 жыл бұрын
Yeah, precisely. Especially alot you can find from social networks like Facebook, or any other dating's Apps. Lots of fakes in there, everything is fake, from identity, looks, lifestyles, nationalities all are fake. Mostly are scammers.
@meorme66032 жыл бұрын
Only 1% is real, and to expect all of us to conform to their dystopia is insanity. 🧛♂️💉
@hughbathurst7312 ай бұрын
how?
@semperintrepidus164 жыл бұрын
I just realized that Greer's Surrogate was shot before "she" pushed the last button, so he has a credible denial claim if accused of killing all the surrogates. Not to mention saving "about a billion people"
@York223 жыл бұрын
He pressed no and therefore willingly let the network be shut down and every surrogate destroyed. I would have pressed no immediately after isolating the operators so Bobby could see himself out of a job as the bar filled up.
@vitorreboucas68155 жыл бұрын
Most verbally articulated person I know
@tomjansykora5 жыл бұрын
A good one. But for the TV in the background. I needed to scroll down a bit to have it out of view to focus on the thoughts :)
@bpmotion6 жыл бұрын
wow
@davido31096 жыл бұрын
The comic was incredible... I will try to see the movie
@seanankerr28647 жыл бұрын
This is interesting, it definitely strikes a chord and I am very sympathetic to the whole medium is the message thing, but it is recorded in 1988, his argument centres around things getting worse, so it should be testable, have we really declined so much since then? If so what are the measures? You could argue that some things have certainly gotten worse, there is for example less accountability with regards power (for example the 80's saving and loans crisis led to convictions, the 2008 crash led to hardly any), the world has become more economically unequal, we have utterly failed to face up to the challenge of global warming, things which were considered completely unacceptable then (such as torture) are now far more tolerated, culture has become far more stagnant and exclusive. On the other hands some thing have improved, gay rights for example, it is easier for people to come out now, than it was then (though I'd bet rates of depression have gotten worse, though that could be a sign of less stringent/more open diagnosis), a higher percentage of people are educated and literate, the end of real existing socialism in the West has led to certain thinkers and writers being more seriously considered by larger groups of people, means and possibilities for communication have expanded (albeit ones that are for the most part what Flusser decries as functionally simple), we have increased the number of people on the planet by a few billion, yet we seem to have not suffered any increase in famines. You can of course make a case for on balance things getting worse, but it is far from one-way traffic.
@sawtoothiandi4 жыл бұрын
just found this video today. his theory seems to concur with marshal mcluhan. i have long 'felt' that the media we use is very much being under-utilised. it is hard to express exactly what i think it could be, but just experimental cinema for example. i would have thought the ideas and techniques there would have become more commonly accepted. yet there seems to be a general philistinism and reactionary thread. reversion to 'safe' modes of expression. what do you think of today?
@maldoror57502 жыл бұрын
@@sawtoothiandi well said. I v much agree on the point of mainstream cinema’s slow adoption of more experimental approaches to the form. That said, part of the ‘magic’ (for the lack of a better term atm) of said avant feats of every preceding era is their antagonism towards standardisation. Whereas phenomenona such as the transgressively postmodern methods of hip-hop or modern art’s turn to abstraction have been ordained into the fabric of popular culture, cinema has been more monolithic in terms of what the greater appeal is - for the most part, as the somewhat steady, mainstream success of experimental ‘auteurs’ like David Lynch can’t be ignored.
@marishanameyer61327 жыл бұрын
I liked it better with the robots. Maybe one day we can upload our consciousness to a robot so we can live forever.
@biglightball5 жыл бұрын
You would get mad sooner or later. People fall into madness already today, when they let their lives get senseless. Knowing that you are only virtual existence, with completly artificial feelings and emotions, would give you madness for sure, if you're sane enough to truly acknowledge your existence as a digital consciousness. Human mind isn't capable of such burden.
@semperintrepidus164 жыл бұрын
Those who put their trust in their own Creator do get to live forever. Will you search the truth of this matter or reject it and accept eternal death? Whether deliberate or not. Those who made this movie have tapped into a true message: Do not put your faith in the fake, phoney, virtual creations of man. Seek for Him who is pleased to give the gift of true faith, unconditional grace, and eternal life.
@dragonfox23993 жыл бұрын
Fuck that
@dazzaMusic3 жыл бұрын
Not in your lifetime pal
@conditionallyunconditional56913 жыл бұрын
We can already live forever. But satan created something here called time. Soul cant occupy clones or robots. I chose eternal life, where there's no time, no death, no suffering. Just life. Wrap that around your lovely head. 😉
@sarasvatishaktiscripts39987 жыл бұрын
...this man is absolutely brilliant..!I agree...
@York228 жыл бұрын
I'm glad he didn't cancel the uplink and let the network be shut down and every surrogate be destroyed. Get those lazy people out of their houses. Why did Bobby want him to cancel the uplink? I would have thrown the keyboard on the floor after isolating the operators.
@alliedcommander91494 жыл бұрын
I guess because he thought if he shut all the surrogates down it whould cause more chaos. Remember over half the population was using them. People like pilots and doctors and power plant workers.
@dragonfox23993 жыл бұрын
True that
@York223 жыл бұрын
@@dragonfox2399 I would have hit no immediately after getting abort transmission. I would have loved to see his reaction to that
@imingzee8 жыл бұрын
OMG, this man is absolutely brilliant.
@jorgeloureiro8 жыл бұрын
thnx peace
@c.potter13098 жыл бұрын
How do they feed and house all those people without any technology?
@semperintrepidus164 жыл бұрын
I didn't see such a superabundance of people that would be impossibly hard to feed. Greater numbers have done just fine for nearly all of history. A better question is how/why are they so fat and soft (like tech users) instead of being lean and strong? But the answer to that is simple really: it's just a movie. An under-rated movie all the same imo.
@conditionallyunconditional56913 жыл бұрын
They reverted back to the old ways. Farming, school and over all survival.
@risenfromyoutubesashesagai63022 жыл бұрын
@@semperintrepidus16 Maybe they were all fat because they spent most of their lives laying in a chair controlling their surries, getting fat in the process. After they unplug, its time to lose all that Surry weight. Also take note, I've only watched this movie once, and it was way back in 2010. I agree with you too, very underrated film; so much so I never see it available to watch.
@ca2949 жыл бұрын
One thing is clear, the life style is something that you as a natural person will sacriface your own very existence in defense of it
@omerbrooklyn87168 жыл бұрын
That is clear, can't say the same for this clip
@semperintrepidus164 жыл бұрын
It's the here and now just amplified with a few more major steps in techno capabilities. I suggest that individuals take on a very simple 100 hour off grid challenge* and in response I get a silence akin to someone meeting the grim reaper face to face. *The off grid challenge is simply an opportunity to reconnect with real, non-virtual reality and beauty by disconnecting from all tech devices, phone, texts, GPS, music, videos, etc. for a mere 100 hours. Go for a walk / long hike, read a book, play a REAL musical instrument, sing your favorite songs with your own voice, find other people, share your story and hear theirs. 100 hours can go by very quickly, but it's long enough to give someone a glimpse of the other side. A basic watch / clock and electric lighting / heating is ok.
@bipulrayamajhee49899 жыл бұрын
And people would go on a crime spree
@York228 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily
@semperintrepidus164 жыл бұрын
Some. But, if one uses the definition of "crime" as a wrong done to someone else, then it's a trade off. A much greater crime was put to an end than any other likely to happen in the aftermath.
@gencshehu10 жыл бұрын
As in, the technique of writing brought a revolution in the way and manner of thinking. New techniques usually come from play, but when taken seriously they offer a degree of instrumentality that is far superior in the evolutionary sense (ie allow you to reproduce more of your own). The instrument, the tool, the technology, up to, as some would say, the phallus - penis.
@billbuddha975111 жыл бұрын
Luckily we are here to now forget the bygone trespasses of yesteryear. Love conquers all, and no matter were we look in human history we can find brutality. We must remember that the Church was very cruel, though it also had many good members that should be praised. Instead of focusing on that dark past maybe we should look to the future. I feel we should instead focus on giving each other respect and love. Thanks, Bill.
@emara66611 жыл бұрын
I think you misunderstood me, "Race" refers to "Human Race". and thanks for the clarification anyway.
@emara66611 жыл бұрын
Wow, a fucked up race worships fucked up gods. faith in humanity vanishes :(
@suledrake11 жыл бұрын
I never knew "fascistoid" was a word! I'm gonna use this on someone one of these days. Also, I love that he finds Barthes wrong. I disagree with much of what he says about photography. On the other hand, Flusser's writings on photography have had a profound affect on me.
@maldoror57502 жыл бұрын
How do they differ in terms of their ideas on photography?
@onesecbeforetheend11 жыл бұрын
Oh great, how did i miss that for a whole year! i've only seen the last part of this in another vid. Lovely. And the interaction with the reporter is so much proving Flusser's ideas on private and public.
@suledrake11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this!
@Lbambozzi12 жыл бұрын
glad to hear that!
@r4ltman12 жыл бұрын
10:08 McLuhan said this in the 60s in war and peace in the global village, said typed thought sang
@r4ltman12 жыл бұрын
08:53 this guy is
@Arianiuss12 жыл бұрын
Mel Gibson want to expose illuminati by this film
@MosoKaiser13 жыл бұрын
What's with the choppy framerate? I downloaded the vid to make sure it's not my browser, flash-plugin or youtube itself that's messing it up, but it's the same when played in VLC. Looks like around 10fps. But the file's codec info says it's 30fps... Weird.
@ThomasBaxterSoutar13 жыл бұрын
cool vidz man same shit i watch all way round x
@thericate13 жыл бұрын
@goldenqilin its like the Sims
@2006bencruz13 жыл бұрын
"It is a fact that functionally complex systems are a challenge to creative thought whereas functionally simple systems are stultifying, idiotic."(Vilém Flusser), we must know more about a 'fluss'ent' philosopher in so much language...
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great archive ❤
He just killed millions. Not every plane pulled by surrogates gas only surrogate passengers.
The best of is no.see
Why have we done this
No glasses
2022
0:01 MICHAEL DEMELLO😍🔥😍🔥😍🔥😍
In Japan they are using robots to combat a population collapse, that threatens it's very existence. Alot of movies are a glimpse into the future. But the word of God is the whole view of the future. Too many of us are focused on being who we were not created to be, trying to fit into narratives, that we are not suites for. The Lord created us with purpose, to be set apart from the world. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 12:2... Humanity is missing Jesus! Oh Lord we need you!
Who is still watching this movie in 2021 ? I do, it's a good movie. Thou during 2009 when watched this at cinema, still don't quite understand the "meaning" of this film. Now rewatch again, kinda feels in many of us today, we "sort of" living like this. But ofcoz not with a double "physical body". It's like most commonly, are from internet social networks. A lot of people are just "fakes" in there. I would like to re evaluate this film, we humans can't life exactly like this film, having a "double" and your surrogate is the one that is actively. But if creating surrogate or more like a droid soldiers for war, then yes. Instead of sending someone real out for war and then be kill. Droid soldiers (something like Star Wars' droids) and droid intelligence (like from the movie Stealth) type of war aircrafts, I think it should be considerable for future, if really comes to one day WW III really happens. Certainly, by then I hope I'm not around anymore to witness it. That should be in the very future.
So... this is iRobot 2.0?
Thinkers on photography that Flusser mentions near the end: 1. Roland Barthes 2. Marshall McLuhan 3. Abraham Moles
2:06 internet memes
Bad thing is we kind of already live like this.
Yeah, precisely. Especially alot you can find from social networks like Facebook, or any other dating's Apps. Lots of fakes in there, everything is fake, from identity, looks, lifestyles, nationalities all are fake. Mostly are scammers.
Only 1% is real, and to expect all of us to conform to their dystopia is insanity. 🧛♂️💉
how?
I just realized that Greer's Surrogate was shot before "she" pushed the last button, so he has a credible denial claim if accused of killing all the surrogates. Not to mention saving "about a billion people"
He pressed no and therefore willingly let the network be shut down and every surrogate destroyed. I would have pressed no immediately after isolating the operators so Bobby could see himself out of a job as the bar filled up.
Most verbally articulated person I know
A good one. But for the TV in the background. I needed to scroll down a bit to have it out of view to focus on the thoughts :)
wow
The comic was incredible... I will try to see the movie
This is interesting, it definitely strikes a chord and I am very sympathetic to the whole medium is the message thing, but it is recorded in 1988, his argument centres around things getting worse, so it should be testable, have we really declined so much since then? If so what are the measures? You could argue that some things have certainly gotten worse, there is for example less accountability with regards power (for example the 80's saving and loans crisis led to convictions, the 2008 crash led to hardly any), the world has become more economically unequal, we have utterly failed to face up to the challenge of global warming, things which were considered completely unacceptable then (such as torture) are now far more tolerated, culture has become far more stagnant and exclusive. On the other hands some thing have improved, gay rights for example, it is easier for people to come out now, than it was then (though I'd bet rates of depression have gotten worse, though that could be a sign of less stringent/more open diagnosis), a higher percentage of people are educated and literate, the end of real existing socialism in the West has led to certain thinkers and writers being more seriously considered by larger groups of people, means and possibilities for communication have expanded (albeit ones that are for the most part what Flusser decries as functionally simple), we have increased the number of people on the planet by a few billion, yet we seem to have not suffered any increase in famines. You can of course make a case for on balance things getting worse, but it is far from one-way traffic.
just found this video today. his theory seems to concur with marshal mcluhan. i have long 'felt' that the media we use is very much being under-utilised. it is hard to express exactly what i think it could be, but just experimental cinema for example. i would have thought the ideas and techniques there would have become more commonly accepted. yet there seems to be a general philistinism and reactionary thread. reversion to 'safe' modes of expression. what do you think of today?
@@sawtoothiandi well said. I v much agree on the point of mainstream cinema’s slow adoption of more experimental approaches to the form. That said, part of the ‘magic’ (for the lack of a better term atm) of said avant feats of every preceding era is their antagonism towards standardisation. Whereas phenomenona such as the transgressively postmodern methods of hip-hop or modern art’s turn to abstraction have been ordained into the fabric of popular culture, cinema has been more monolithic in terms of what the greater appeal is - for the most part, as the somewhat steady, mainstream success of experimental ‘auteurs’ like David Lynch can’t be ignored.
I liked it better with the robots. Maybe one day we can upload our consciousness to a robot so we can live forever.
You would get mad sooner or later. People fall into madness already today, when they let their lives get senseless. Knowing that you are only virtual existence, with completly artificial feelings and emotions, would give you madness for sure, if you're sane enough to truly acknowledge your existence as a digital consciousness. Human mind isn't capable of such burden.
Those who put their trust in their own Creator do get to live forever. Will you search the truth of this matter or reject it and accept eternal death? Whether deliberate or not. Those who made this movie have tapped into a true message: Do not put your faith in the fake, phoney, virtual creations of man. Seek for Him who is pleased to give the gift of true faith, unconditional grace, and eternal life.
Fuck that
Not in your lifetime pal
We can already live forever. But satan created something here called time. Soul cant occupy clones or robots. I chose eternal life, where there's no time, no death, no suffering. Just life. Wrap that around your lovely head. 😉
...this man is absolutely brilliant..!I agree...
I'm glad he didn't cancel the uplink and let the network be shut down and every surrogate be destroyed. Get those lazy people out of their houses. Why did Bobby want him to cancel the uplink? I would have thrown the keyboard on the floor after isolating the operators.
I guess because he thought if he shut all the surrogates down it whould cause more chaos. Remember over half the population was using them. People like pilots and doctors and power plant workers.
True that
@@dragonfox2399 I would have hit no immediately after getting abort transmission. I would have loved to see his reaction to that
OMG, this man is absolutely brilliant.
thnx peace
How do they feed and house all those people without any technology?
I didn't see such a superabundance of people that would be impossibly hard to feed. Greater numbers have done just fine for nearly all of history. A better question is how/why are they so fat and soft (like tech users) instead of being lean and strong? But the answer to that is simple really: it's just a movie. An under-rated movie all the same imo.
They reverted back to the old ways. Farming, school and over all survival.
@@semperintrepidus16 Maybe they were all fat because they spent most of their lives laying in a chair controlling their surries, getting fat in the process. After they unplug, its time to lose all that Surry weight. Also take note, I've only watched this movie once, and it was way back in 2010. I agree with you too, very underrated film; so much so I never see it available to watch.
One thing is clear, the life style is something that you as a natural person will sacriface your own very existence in defense of it
That is clear, can't say the same for this clip
It's the here and now just amplified with a few more major steps in techno capabilities. I suggest that individuals take on a very simple 100 hour off grid challenge* and in response I get a silence akin to someone meeting the grim reaper face to face. *The off grid challenge is simply an opportunity to reconnect with real, non-virtual reality and beauty by disconnecting from all tech devices, phone, texts, GPS, music, videos, etc. for a mere 100 hours. Go for a walk / long hike, read a book, play a REAL musical instrument, sing your favorite songs with your own voice, find other people, share your story and hear theirs. 100 hours can go by very quickly, but it's long enough to give someone a glimpse of the other side. A basic watch / clock and electric lighting / heating is ok.
And people would go on a crime spree
Not necessarily
Some. But, if one uses the definition of "crime" as a wrong done to someone else, then it's a trade off. A much greater crime was put to an end than any other likely to happen in the aftermath.
As in, the technique of writing brought a revolution in the way and manner of thinking. New techniques usually come from play, but when taken seriously they offer a degree of instrumentality that is far superior in the evolutionary sense (ie allow you to reproduce more of your own). The instrument, the tool, the technology, up to, as some would say, the phallus - penis.
Luckily we are here to now forget the bygone trespasses of yesteryear. Love conquers all, and no matter were we look in human history we can find brutality. We must remember that the Church was very cruel, though it also had many good members that should be praised. Instead of focusing on that dark past maybe we should look to the future. I feel we should instead focus on giving each other respect and love. Thanks, Bill.
I think you misunderstood me, "Race" refers to "Human Race". and thanks for the clarification anyway.
Wow, a fucked up race worships fucked up gods. faith in humanity vanishes :(
I never knew "fascistoid" was a word! I'm gonna use this on someone one of these days. Also, I love that he finds Barthes wrong. I disagree with much of what he says about photography. On the other hand, Flusser's writings on photography have had a profound affect on me.
How do they differ in terms of their ideas on photography?
Oh great, how did i miss that for a whole year! i've only seen the last part of this in another vid. Lovely. And the interaction with the reporter is so much proving Flusser's ideas on private and public.
Thank you for uploading this!
glad to hear that!
10:08 McLuhan said this in the 60s in war and peace in the global village, said typed thought sang
08:53 this guy is
Mel Gibson want to expose illuminati by this film
What's with the choppy framerate? I downloaded the vid to make sure it's not my browser, flash-plugin or youtube itself that's messing it up, but it's the same when played in VLC. Looks like around 10fps. But the file's codec info says it's 30fps... Weird.
cool vidz man same shit i watch all way round x
@goldenqilin its like the Sims
"It is a fact that functionally complex systems are a challenge to creative thought whereas functionally simple systems are stultifying, idiotic."(Vilém Flusser), we must know more about a 'fluss'ent' philosopher in so much language...