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We need a 5700xt, but a 8700xt, super fast fornvery low price
@brutalwang410613 минут бұрын
Less than 10% improvement in 5 years lol
@pgrow42016 минут бұрын
I’ll wait till 5000 reversion 2 after they fix the flammable 12v connector
@ted_van_loon23 минут бұрын
yeah one of the reasons I kind of hate Nvidia these days, their terrible driver support and supressing of market advancements through shady practices also are among them. but people buy Nvidia since they beleive it to be good, Nvidia tunes it's GPU's for benchmarks but not for real use. and since everyone blindly buys Nvidia's new crappy cards for insanely high prices and they controlled the market pretty much, which they littereally abused to stall the advancement of GPU's and computer tech greatly so they could make slightly more proffit with less effort, and later on could just launch a gpu meant to launch 4 years ago and people will see it as good since they haven't seen improvements in gpu's for 5 years. also why I am so glad about Intels Battlemage coming soon. also with Nvidia supressing the computer tech market, I mean so quite litterally, not only through shady practices, but also due to the market share they keep due to that since weak people somehow have the tendency to just follow the gangster/dictator/terrorist(nvidia). but nvidia gpu's intentionally still largely depend on rather inefficient and old/outdated technologies, to which nvidia also speciffically kind of has a patent on the only way to kind of do that well since it is just so outdated. but nvidia is the most used gpu brand in pc so all softwares and such now are optimized for such insane legacy tech, meaning they use comletely different instructions etc. and force other companies to also have to use those legacy things a lot, while there actually already are much newer technologies far more efficient and far faster, but nvidia intentionally doesn't use those since they controll the market so also what softwares use, and these new technologies often are either open source or even free openn source, or open standard, or just owned by someone else who allows pretty much anyone to use it properly which kind of prevents nvidia from locking it down so people require their hardware. it is kind of like the shit apple has been doing but actually many times more extreme and evil. so f@ck nvidia, but not litterally since we don't want more of them.
@RiasatSalminSami25 минут бұрын
All RTX gpus have been disappointing overall. Their performance is abysmal. A 4090 can't even max out 60 fps at 4k with ray tracing without garbage upscaling.
@adlibconstitution160937 минут бұрын
2060 super is 2019, rtx 4060 is 2023. So 4 YEARS not 5 years. Please fact check next time, its like common sense.
@AaronWOfficial57 минут бұрын
I've been telling people that 12gb of vram is fine, especially for 1440p which is basically the target market of the 4070 anyway. Too many AMD shills thinking VRAM is the most important part of a GPU (it is not). The type of memory being used also matters, GDDR6X which the 4070 uses is faster bandwidth than regular GDDR6. Also memory clock + core clock and type of bus matters. People need to stop judging how good a card is based off VRAM, this has never been an accurate way to judge a card in the past and that is no different today.
@alexmannen1991Сағат бұрын
4070 and 7800 should have cost 400$ nvidia is price anchoring and amd is just following with under 50$ tags. its a monopoly
@adamochi854Сағат бұрын
That probably won't happen price wise imo, definitely won't be surprised if the 5080 is above 1199 on launch. They are still way ahead in terms of users/adopters and will likely use "a.i." as an excuse to stay more expensive than the competition relative to actual performance
@PaxRufrax2 сағат бұрын
No AMD RX 8000 series this year? Thought it was possibly releasing at the end of 2024. Was hoping for a mid-range RX 6700 XT replacement. Maybe an RX 8800 XT?
@DLF-hj6rn2 сағат бұрын
AliExpress? Really? :(
@kash12222 сағат бұрын
The spot the 2060 S takes changes in the bars and your claims do not match the data in the grahps. And you're testing 1440 for a 1080P card, unsure why.
@derzool52672 сағат бұрын
All what's driving Nvidias Sales is herd mentality and fake news about AMD Drivers still being unstable. AMD does good GPUs right now folks! The one thing where Nvidia really shines is power efficiency. I run a 7800XT in my main build and I couldnt be happier. It's my first AMD card for a long time, last one was a Radeon 9800. My wife runs a 4060ti, but only because she exclusively plays WoW and WoW has a critical bug which makes AMD drivers crash sometimes on some cards. Note that this is not an AMD driver issue.
@fabsenbmx3 сағат бұрын
how about PCIE Gen2? I have my 1070 in a Gen2 by 16 slot and not losing performance compared to gen3. I have an old 4th gen I7 on a H81 MB
@Warhorse4693 сағат бұрын
I suggest getting the RTX 3060 TI. It's only 2% slower than the RTX 2080 Super, and you won't even notice the difference, especially when it comes to gaming. It's both cheaper and newer, meaning it will have driver support for a longer period.
@tapioorankiaalto24573 сағат бұрын
5060 looking to be a 8GB 128-bit bus card. Again. 5070 looking like it's gonna be between 4070 and 4070S with 12GB VRAM. If only AMD sorted out their VR performance.
@RobloxianX3 сағат бұрын
Exactly! Even for the higher end, I know people who still use their dual Titan RTX 10980XE 256GB Quad Channel builds despite knowing they can afford a current gen upgrade. There just hasn't been enough performance increase for them to justify it.
@badass63003 сағат бұрын
Not true the progress is just as good as the high-end, it's just that they shifted the names and prices up. For example the rtx 4070 Ti is a 60 class card as it has 294mm^2 die size, while the 3060 has a 276mm^2 die size. And the 4070Ti is 2.28x faster than the 3060. The rtx 4080 Super is a 70 class card as it is 379mm^2 while the 3070 is 392mm^2 and the 4080 super is 1.96x faster than the 3070. The rtx 4060 is a 30/40 class GPU at 147mm^2 and it's 4x faster than the GTX 1630. So why did they shift the names and prices up? That's what happens when people don't look at die size, but look at the names of GPUs and chips.
@magicfok3 сағат бұрын
Why Nvidia earn so many money ? Because of AMD.
@charliegrech20264 сағат бұрын
Greed is just disgusting. That dog jensen has now made nvidia the worlds most valuable company, over 3 trillion net worth.
@Rosaslav4 сағат бұрын
Of course they stopped progress if they didn’t have to. During covid supply shortage, people bought anything available regardless of price to performance ratio.
@kai2flyyy4 сағат бұрын
Im on a 970 looking to upgrade to a 5060
@arnold38114 сағат бұрын
The 60 series cards are more like 1080p very high settings cards, at best 1440p low settings 🤦🏼♂️
@GRIGGINS14 сағат бұрын
The 2060 and 4060 are not the same size physically. How come people never mention that
@Andromansis5 сағат бұрын
Ok, you know what wattage is? each of those 3 cards has a drastically different wattage, with the 4060 being the least at 130 watts. Which, if you're looking for content, would make a really good rant. But yea, the model numbers actually signify nothing. I would love it if AMD or NVIDIA or INTEL would introduce model numbers that included the wattage, or if AMD's cards would actually operate within the TDP they indicate as opposed to going 40-150 watts over that.
@antondovydaitis22615 сағат бұрын
Thank you.
@Munchie2-qc9iv5 сағат бұрын
This explains the steam hardware chart: most people still use old hardware. I'm still using my 1060 and don't see any point to upgrade.
@4evahodlingdoge2265 сағат бұрын
This video is disingenuous because the 2060 super came out in 2019 and the 4060 got released in 2022 so it's 3 years apart not 5 + the 2060 super was $400 vs $300 for the 4060.
@johnsonnguyen13745 сағат бұрын
Why did you keep swapping the position of the GPU on the charts, it makes it look unorganized and hard to follow. Each one swapped the position and having to paused to even notice which GPU was which. Even if it was color coded, it was terrible to see.
@Phil-D835 сағат бұрын
192bit memory bus looks bad
@hawkinsjd115 сағат бұрын
I have a 3080 FTW 10GB and it is long in the tooth.
@mts9826 сағат бұрын
how much do you think the 4080 shouldve cost?
@lanelesic6 сағат бұрын
5060 8GB incoming.
@JoJoSwansonEpicMeme6 сағат бұрын
This is insanely true the stagnation let me buy a gtx 1080 for 100 and still use it as a 3050 or 3060 replacement
@samuelkdu6 сағат бұрын
i used to think anything below a 80 class card was garbage now i think anything below the 90 class cards are garbage. are my standards to high or are you guys just settling?
@BastyTHz6 сағат бұрын
rx5700 still able to play new game that have optimized at 60 fps
@BastyTHz6 сағат бұрын
nvidia killed 4060ti by slash pci-e lanes by 8
@ShadowWing486 сағат бұрын
The 3060 was a huge improvement and puts a hole right through this argument. As does the 4070. Why else would the 3060 have been so popular of an upgrade for people? The ommission of 70 class cards here is pretty odd too, they're mid range as well. 2070 to 3070 to 4070 are all pretty decent leaps. The 2070 to 4070 on Cyberpunk 1080p is just shy of a 100% leap. Just read the Techspot article which benched 50 games. The average at 1080p is a 100% uplift and 1440p is 102%. You can't play anything really on a 2070 at 4k. A 4070 can actually play some modern stuff at 4K. Even the 3070 to 4070 is a solid jump, average 25%(+) performance increase at 1440p. Upgrade worthy? I'd still wait till 5070 to be more frugal but if you needed to there'd be no downside. And while the 4060 isn't too much a leap over the 3060, if you're coming from almost anything under a 3060 its a sizeable upgrade that gives you all the new fun tools and has a 16gb model to boot, even with the restircted bus. The card still can call what its generating without rendering it again. Has the improvement been as much as we'd like or ideal for that matter? No, but its there and this video is pretty pointless. The fact the comparison was made in PCIe Gen 3 only and not 3 and 4 is frankly, pretty silly. Yes the 2060 super is a Gen 3. But part of your upgrade to a 3060 or 4060 is moving to Gen 4. Its part of step forward and a signifgant one at that. Its why the 3060 performs so well. If it was a Gen 3 card even with its available resources it'd lose (and it does in your benchmarks) a sizeable chunk of its performance and effeciency. If you're still runiing a motherboard thats Gen 3 PCIe max, at that point your motherboard and CPU needs to come first along with your RAM. PCIe 3 is from 2010 and didn't even really hit till 2012. We moved from it with Gen 11 Intel and AM4. We're moving into what would be Gen 15 territory and are knee deep in AM5. PCIe 5 cards are around the corner. Its 2024. Upgrade your PCIe slot before the GPU. This video just sends all the wrong messages and a slew of misinformation.
@attackxxx6 сағат бұрын
ah so this is what causes stuttering
@frenchfryinyourmcdonaldsba86886 сағат бұрын
rtx 20 series were a buggy mess. too much vram? your computer shuts off vs throwing an error
@Chris.Davies6 сағат бұрын
Looks like buying an RTX 2080 over 5 years ago was a great idea!
@thaddeus24476 сағат бұрын
Last year got rtx 2080 super for 180$ as a backup card, it's faster card than 4060 and yet twice cheaper
@jiggerypokery29627 сағат бұрын
Crazy how the top range went up unimaginably high with the mid range staying the same. The 5000 series looks to be the same. The realization everyone compares top sku when picking a graphics card has to stop.
@HoRR1Fy7 сағат бұрын
More like $2500 for the RTX 5090
@ianwolter61427 сағат бұрын
Bro, progress from the 2060 to 4060 is insane, you can barely run rt on the 2060, but now you can even play cyberpunk 2077 at full path tracing!
@lolol507357 сағат бұрын
nah the 5060 will still have 8gb just a little faster than 4060 and it coming in 1 year
@almisami7 сағат бұрын
Peopl ned to stop looking at Nvidia... Intel is the budget king in the midrange.
@dystopia-usa7 сағат бұрын
No need to upgrade as long as the GPU you are using is still delivering a quality experience at your resolution of choice despite not scoring top spot on GPU FPS benchmarks. Once you hit a certain level of performance, extra FPS is pretty moot & just fodder for flexing the e-peen.
@sonicbroom85227 сағат бұрын
We should be having 3070 to 3070 Ti levels of performance for $350, with 16GB VRAM. What we have now is a total joke. And NO, DLSS does NOT count. Fake frames don't count.
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We need a 5700xt, but a 8700xt, super fast fornvery low price
Less than 10% improvement in 5 years lol
I’ll wait till 5000 reversion 2 after they fix the flammable 12v connector
yeah one of the reasons I kind of hate Nvidia these days, their terrible driver support and supressing of market advancements through shady practices also are among them. but people buy Nvidia since they beleive it to be good, Nvidia tunes it's GPU's for benchmarks but not for real use. and since everyone blindly buys Nvidia's new crappy cards for insanely high prices and they controlled the market pretty much, which they littereally abused to stall the advancement of GPU's and computer tech greatly so they could make slightly more proffit with less effort, and later on could just launch a gpu meant to launch 4 years ago and people will see it as good since they haven't seen improvements in gpu's for 5 years. also why I am so glad about Intels Battlemage coming soon. also with Nvidia supressing the computer tech market, I mean so quite litterally, not only through shady practices, but also due to the market share they keep due to that since weak people somehow have the tendency to just follow the gangster/dictator/terrorist(nvidia). but nvidia gpu's intentionally still largely depend on rather inefficient and old/outdated technologies, to which nvidia also speciffically kind of has a patent on the only way to kind of do that well since it is just so outdated. but nvidia is the most used gpu brand in pc so all softwares and such now are optimized for such insane legacy tech, meaning they use comletely different instructions etc. and force other companies to also have to use those legacy things a lot, while there actually already are much newer technologies far more efficient and far faster, but nvidia intentionally doesn't use those since they controll the market so also what softwares use, and these new technologies often are either open source or even free openn source, or open standard, or just owned by someone else who allows pretty much anyone to use it properly which kind of prevents nvidia from locking it down so people require their hardware. it is kind of like the shit apple has been doing but actually many times more extreme and evil. so f@ck nvidia, but not litterally since we don't want more of them.
All RTX gpus have been disappointing overall. Their performance is abysmal. A 4090 can't even max out 60 fps at 4k with ray tracing without garbage upscaling.
2060 super is 2019, rtx 4060 is 2023. So 4 YEARS not 5 years. Please fact check next time, its like common sense.
I've been telling people that 12gb of vram is fine, especially for 1440p which is basically the target market of the 4070 anyway. Too many AMD shills thinking VRAM is the most important part of a GPU (it is not). The type of memory being used also matters, GDDR6X which the 4070 uses is faster bandwidth than regular GDDR6. Also memory clock + core clock and type of bus matters. People need to stop judging how good a card is based off VRAM, this has never been an accurate way to judge a card in the past and that is no different today.
4070 and 7800 should have cost 400$ nvidia is price anchoring and amd is just following with under 50$ tags. its a monopoly
That probably won't happen price wise imo, definitely won't be surprised if the 5080 is above 1199 on launch. They are still way ahead in terms of users/adopters and will likely use "a.i." as an excuse to stay more expensive than the competition relative to actual performance
No AMD RX 8000 series this year? Thought it was possibly releasing at the end of 2024. Was hoping for a mid-range RX 6700 XT replacement. Maybe an RX 8800 XT?
AliExpress? Really? :(
The spot the 2060 S takes changes in the bars and your claims do not match the data in the grahps. And you're testing 1440 for a 1080P card, unsure why.
All what's driving Nvidias Sales is herd mentality and fake news about AMD Drivers still being unstable. AMD does good GPUs right now folks! The one thing where Nvidia really shines is power efficiency. I run a 7800XT in my main build and I couldnt be happier. It's my first AMD card for a long time, last one was a Radeon 9800. My wife runs a 4060ti, but only because she exclusively plays WoW and WoW has a critical bug which makes AMD drivers crash sometimes on some cards. Note that this is not an AMD driver issue.
how about PCIE Gen2? I have my 1070 in a Gen2 by 16 slot and not losing performance compared to gen3. I have an old 4th gen I7 on a H81 MB
I suggest getting the RTX 3060 TI. It's only 2% slower than the RTX 2080 Super, and you won't even notice the difference, especially when it comes to gaming. It's both cheaper and newer, meaning it will have driver support for a longer period.
5060 looking to be a 8GB 128-bit bus card. Again. 5070 looking like it's gonna be between 4070 and 4070S with 12GB VRAM. If only AMD sorted out their VR performance.
Exactly! Even for the higher end, I know people who still use their dual Titan RTX 10980XE 256GB Quad Channel builds despite knowing they can afford a current gen upgrade. There just hasn't been enough performance increase for them to justify it.
Not true the progress is just as good as the high-end, it's just that they shifted the names and prices up. For example the rtx 4070 Ti is a 60 class card as it has 294mm^2 die size, while the 3060 has a 276mm^2 die size. And the 4070Ti is 2.28x faster than the 3060. The rtx 4080 Super is a 70 class card as it is 379mm^2 while the 3070 is 392mm^2 and the 4080 super is 1.96x faster than the 3070. The rtx 4060 is a 30/40 class GPU at 147mm^2 and it's 4x faster than the GTX 1630. So why did they shift the names and prices up? That's what happens when people don't look at die size, but look at the names of GPUs and chips.
Why Nvidia earn so many money ? Because of AMD.
Greed is just disgusting. That dog jensen has now made nvidia the worlds most valuable company, over 3 trillion net worth.
Of course they stopped progress if they didn’t have to. During covid supply shortage, people bought anything available regardless of price to performance ratio.
Im on a 970 looking to upgrade to a 5060
The 60 series cards are more like 1080p very high settings cards, at best 1440p low settings 🤦🏼♂️
The 2060 and 4060 are not the same size physically. How come people never mention that
Ok, you know what wattage is? each of those 3 cards has a drastically different wattage, with the 4060 being the least at 130 watts. Which, if you're looking for content, would make a really good rant. But yea, the model numbers actually signify nothing. I would love it if AMD or NVIDIA or INTEL would introduce model numbers that included the wattage, or if AMD's cards would actually operate within the TDP they indicate as opposed to going 40-150 watts over that.
Thank you.
This explains the steam hardware chart: most people still use old hardware. I'm still using my 1060 and don't see any point to upgrade.
This video is disingenuous because the 2060 super came out in 2019 and the 4060 got released in 2022 so it's 3 years apart not 5 + the 2060 super was $400 vs $300 for the 4060.
Why did you keep swapping the position of the GPU on the charts, it makes it look unorganized and hard to follow. Each one swapped the position and having to paused to even notice which GPU was which. Even if it was color coded, it was terrible to see.
192bit memory bus looks bad
I have a 3080 FTW 10GB and it is long in the tooth.
how much do you think the 4080 shouldve cost?
5060 8GB incoming.
This is insanely true the stagnation let me buy a gtx 1080 for 100 and still use it as a 3050 or 3060 replacement
i used to think anything below a 80 class card was garbage now i think anything below the 90 class cards are garbage. are my standards to high or are you guys just settling?
rx5700 still able to play new game that have optimized at 60 fps
nvidia killed 4060ti by slash pci-e lanes by 8
The 3060 was a huge improvement and puts a hole right through this argument. As does the 4070. Why else would the 3060 have been so popular of an upgrade for people? The ommission of 70 class cards here is pretty odd too, they're mid range as well. 2070 to 3070 to 4070 are all pretty decent leaps. The 2070 to 4070 on Cyberpunk 1080p is just shy of a 100% leap. Just read the Techspot article which benched 50 games. The average at 1080p is a 100% uplift and 1440p is 102%. You can't play anything really on a 2070 at 4k. A 4070 can actually play some modern stuff at 4K. Even the 3070 to 4070 is a solid jump, average 25%(+) performance increase at 1440p. Upgrade worthy? I'd still wait till 5070 to be more frugal but if you needed to there'd be no downside. And while the 4060 isn't too much a leap over the 3060, if you're coming from almost anything under a 3060 its a sizeable upgrade that gives you all the new fun tools and has a 16gb model to boot, even with the restircted bus. The card still can call what its generating without rendering it again. Has the improvement been as much as we'd like or ideal for that matter? No, but its there and this video is pretty pointless. The fact the comparison was made in PCIe Gen 3 only and not 3 and 4 is frankly, pretty silly. Yes the 2060 super is a Gen 3. But part of your upgrade to a 3060 or 4060 is moving to Gen 4. Its part of step forward and a signifgant one at that. Its why the 3060 performs so well. If it was a Gen 3 card even with its available resources it'd lose (and it does in your benchmarks) a sizeable chunk of its performance and effeciency. If you're still runiing a motherboard thats Gen 3 PCIe max, at that point your motherboard and CPU needs to come first along with your RAM. PCIe 3 is from 2010 and didn't even really hit till 2012. We moved from it with Gen 11 Intel and AM4. We're moving into what would be Gen 15 territory and are knee deep in AM5. PCIe 5 cards are around the corner. Its 2024. Upgrade your PCIe slot before the GPU. This video just sends all the wrong messages and a slew of misinformation.
ah so this is what causes stuttering
rtx 20 series were a buggy mess. too much vram? your computer shuts off vs throwing an error
Looks like buying an RTX 2080 over 5 years ago was a great idea!
Last year got rtx 2080 super for 180$ as a backup card, it's faster card than 4060 and yet twice cheaper
Crazy how the top range went up unimaginably high with the mid range staying the same. The 5000 series looks to be the same. The realization everyone compares top sku when picking a graphics card has to stop.
More like $2500 for the RTX 5090
Bro, progress from the 2060 to 4060 is insane, you can barely run rt on the 2060, but now you can even play cyberpunk 2077 at full path tracing!
nah the 5060 will still have 8gb just a little faster than 4060 and it coming in 1 year
Peopl ned to stop looking at Nvidia... Intel is the budget king in the midrange.
No need to upgrade as long as the GPU you are using is still delivering a quality experience at your resolution of choice despite not scoring top spot on GPU FPS benchmarks. Once you hit a certain level of performance, extra FPS is pretty moot & just fodder for flexing the e-peen.
We should be having 3070 to 3070 Ti levels of performance for $350, with 16GB VRAM. What we have now is a total joke. And NO, DLSS does NOT count. Fake frames don't count.