You should work on presentation part. So much effort, so much work, but flow and editing... I'm not a native English speaker myself, so I understand broken English even better than "fluent" English, but your pauses may tire some natives. It's a really good idea to bring different 50 1.4 and show that there is practically no real difference between them. People wrote kilometers of text on forums, talking about the “character” of these lenses. I see the same circles in the bokeh. I don't think I can tell them apart in any real photo. But i think the coin test is a little harsh. Old lenses tend to lose contrast at close distances. It would also be cool to compare some kind of autofocus lens with them, but with a comparable formula, for example EF 50 1.4
@AnalogPhotographyEU6 сағат бұрын
thank a lot, i just started this channel and i try to improve :)
@nicklopro12 сағат бұрын
I use a similar tube thingy for scanning old slides. Seems like a great solution for scanning cut strips. Do you ever scan whole rolls before they get archived? I just posted a youtube short showing how I scan my 35mm film with my sony a7iii and the essential film holder. Check it out if you get a sec my fellow film tuber! Anyway happy snapping man!
@RogerMunoz-ci7it21 сағат бұрын
I loved this video! I would have loved it if you would have taken some pictures and shared them with us. Maybe next time. But, I really did learn a lot. Thank You so, much.Roger
@tangentradio72722 күн бұрын
It is a wonderful camera - as long as the resistor ring in the meter is still good, the one weak point. I had mine repaired. If your looking for bullet proof, go with the F4. Both superb kit.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
I want them to make a camera with what would have been 2 sensors, but with film in place of one of the sensors. The other can take digital photos at the same time, and give an EVF with heads up display, black and white viewfinding when you have black and white film, autofocus with that sensor, focus peaking, etc.
@WRCzATL3 күн бұрын
It's really not fair to compare a new $500 camera to a camera that, if it were built today, would likely sell for $1500-$2000. Congratulations on a terrific find, and shoot it till it falls apart, which hopefully, won't happen for many years. Mirandas were beautiful cameras, and the Sensorex line were pretty much the last great Mirandas.
@faiosung3 күн бұрын
over your next 50 years of ownership, you will save more than 500 euros on film if you get the 17. there is value in buying new with warranty. your camera is a time bomb. More and more expensive to repair.
@26tomabb3 күн бұрын
A great buy. It is in mint condition...
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
Oh no! My ebay SLR broke?! I guess I'll have to buy another one, for still less money than the Pentax 17. Oh no! My second ebay SLR broke? Oh man, I'm gonna have to buy another one! For still less money than the Pentax 17. Oh wow oh no, I bought 3 at once that time and they all exploded in the same accident. I guess I'll buy 4 at once next time. For still less money than the Pentax 17. (If someone wants a half frame, the Canon Demi is *chef's kiss* by the way)
@user-ib8uj1ic7d4 күн бұрын
Very nice camera! The shutter curtain looks straight and sounds great, so it should work fine. Miranda's lenses were extremely good and designed in partnership with Soligor. By the way, Pentax is releasing one more film camera this year. The half-frame 17 was just the first on out of the gate (but no one knows what the second one will be.)
@henryschroer38134 күн бұрын
A half-frame gives half the resolution of a 35mm film, which is already limited. And $500 bucks? No way! For $500, buy a medium-format vintage camera and call it a day. You get better results with it.
@GiuseppeNelva4 күн бұрын
It's funny to see people viciously attacking those who mention the very, very obvious shortcomings of this camera and the shortcomings of the direction it points to. Just be honest folks, you cheer for this camera not because it's a good product. It's absolutely mediocre. You cheer for it because you wan't it to "save film." Only, it won't, not that it needs "saving" to begin with. You're selfishly throwing the novices that might buy this camera under the bus because it supposedly "supports the cause." That's a very bad reason to support a product.
@fishloverbd94635 күн бұрын
Heey bruh
@royvazquez12446 күн бұрын
Hey, I have one of those, somewhere in a closet in a camera case…I bet I haven’t looked at it in 25 years, I should dig it out
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
Nicee😁😁😁
@kencarnley71016 күн бұрын
I love my F2! And well, all of my Nikons!
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
😁😁😁😁
@hansformat7 күн бұрын
I love this camera and i agree it is the best 35mm slr. I love using mine. But nothing is indestructible. People have destroyed these. But take good care of them, have them overhauled every 20-30 years, and no reason they can’t go for a hundred years or more.
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
:))
@kevincooper86667 күн бұрын
Just sent for a Nikon f601 30euros their not mechanical but Nikon generally build tough cameras I can shoot it in manual and aperture priority with my manual focus nikkors or put it on program with an af lens how much film can you buy for 520 euros Pentax are barking up the wrong tree on this one Fuji have shown people still prefer the old analogue control system 1/2 frame ok cuts costs fixed lens yes but f3.5 on such a large camera olympus done the same on the xa2 but that was truly pocket sized I think it's been so long Pentax have forgotten how to build a film camera
@klofisch7 күн бұрын
Well i have several F2...and one FT3.... in most regards the FT3 is the better camera
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
for usability truly yess 😄😁
@Narsuitus8 күн бұрын
Over the decades, I have owned and used the following film and digital cameras: 1. Large format, medium format and small format cameras 2. SLR, TLR, view, folder, and rangefinder cameras 3. Ansco, Kodak, Diana, Holga, Graflex, and Calumet view cameras 4. Argus, Canon, Contax, Fuji, Leica, and Minolta rangefinder film cameras 5. Nikon, Pentax, Fuji, and Mamiya SLR film cameras 6. Nikon F, F2, F3, F4, N70, N2000, and EM 35mm film SLR cameras 7. Olympus, Fuji, Leica, and Canon digital cameras Of all the cameras I have owned and used, the Nikon F2 with standard non-metered prism has my personal favorite camera.
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
Nice really! 😁😁😁😁😁
@nunoteixeiradesign8 күн бұрын
Horrible design and idiotic price tag for a half-frame camera, you can buy a gorgeous Olympus Pen F for that price.
@KoMei-pq7lx8 күн бұрын
I don't get all the negative comments by many people. They are claiming it's too expensive & better to buy a used 1970s camera. The thing is Used film cameras are not cheap & are not reliable at all. I can't give explanation for some people who might find it pleasing when their used old film camera brokes (mechanical) or just dies (electronic). Maybe they like self inflected pain 😬. Many of us don't have the knowledge to repair it ourselves when it breaks & cameras with electronics (like the canon Ae1, Nikon f3, Pentax me) need someone skilled to do so. And quite a lot of us are not lucky to have a person/store near our place that still repairs film cameras in this day & age. And how can anyone buy Leica film camera? It cost the same as a car where I'm based. So I'm really happy Pentax has launched this new film camera.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
Yes they are cheap. Better cameras than this by far are for sale as I speak for $100 in fully working condition. Konica Eye. Canon Demi. Canon Twist 35. Yashica Samurai (that one is half frame and autofocus and has a zoom lens, all for $100) And yes they are plenty reliable. I've bought dozens of ebay cameras, never once have I had one single one. Not one. Ever fail after the 30 day ebay warranty (if it's before that it cost you $0). And you don't need to repair anything anyway even if one did happen to break. Just buy a second one if you dont' want to repair. You'll still be hundreds of dollars ahead of a P17. And then buy a 3rd one. And a 4th one. You'll STILL be ahead of the cost of a P17.
@marike11008 күн бұрын
One there are no parts for those old cameras anymore. Even here in NYC many of them cannot be repaired. $499, a fraction of the price of the cheapest beginner digital camera, for a beautiful mostly metal camera, repairable for decades with a full Ricoh warranty is not too expensive. It’s the price of one third party prime lens. Lastly people spend hundreds on ancient compacts like the Olympus XA-1. If you love film, Pentax 17 is a no brainer.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
You can get an ALL metal, not mostly metal, half frame camera, with a better lens than this (2.8, even sharper), superior manual controls, more portable shape, no annoying focus by wire weirdness, no battery that can run out (it has a meter, but it's like a solar panel one it powers itself), better in every single way, camera than this, for $100-120, called a Canon Demi. Then you can buy 3 more of them as backups if you want (which also means you DO have parts for them. x3 of every part, in fact, though why bother to repair at all when you have 4 copies?), and still be saving money. Zero reason to choose P17 over that.
@BartRos19808 күн бұрын
Just discovered your Channel. And will subscribe. Fellow Europeans unite. The Pentax 7, i really do not like it. Halfframe. Plastic build. Not aimed at general photography. And the price. You can buy 2 full analog systems for that. OM1, Pentax ME, Nikon FE, Canon AE1. I spit on it indeed.
@zaneclone9 күн бұрын
Personally, if I wanted to shoot film- I'd by a nice second hand K1000... for much less money... and with less constraints !!
@sputumtube9 күн бұрын
Just commented on your Sony Alpha 350 review and now I find that I'm here for this too! I have two F2's (including the final DP12 'AS' model). With my 50mm f1.2 lens mounted they are enormously heavy to the point where I rarely have them with me. Having some physical 'issues', it's just too much weight for an old man (63) like me. A younger and fitter man would have no problems though (recommend the widest shoulder strap you can find). It's also worth mentioning that the F2 range is expensive. The two I bought (months apart) were a combined UK £1,200 (including precautionary servicing). If you're thinking of buying one, I suggest using an established seller (e.g. Gray's of Westminster in London) and paying the extra for peace of mind. Liking this channel very much - subscribed.
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
i understand, thanks a lot 😁😁😁😁
@sputumtube9 күн бұрын
Still got mine, and before disability stopped me walking, I used to 'do' wedding photography, family shoots and even some paid architectural work (a cheap Sunpak flash worked well for reflected light too). Made a modest living from it just using the two kit lenses which were in the box (and later a lovely Minolta AF prime). I even used the free Sony imaging software that came with it. Again, not exactly Photoshop but adequate for my needs. The aftermarket vertical battery grip (non-Sony) has worked fine from day one. Obviously there are better options (even when it was new), but 16 years later mine is doing just fine (especially considering I hardly ever use it these days due to physical limitations). Best of all, they are now cheap to buy. Recommended for 'digital on a budget'.
@marcelryser9 күн бұрын
Your video is funny. Your channel title is "analog photography", but it doesn't look like you do a lot of "analog photography"... based on your video listing 🤔. I think that this Pentax 17 is rather made for young people who have never used film and who photographed with a smartphone (hence the vertical framing)... This is the opinion of an old guy who bought his first Pentax spotmatic SLR in 1966...😊 Bravo PENTAX !
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
Young people who never used film aren't going to buy a 550€ camera as their entry point.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
So in other words, people ignorant of how much they're getting ripped off by buying a worse, less featured, flimsier version of better cameras for 5x the money. Yes, actually, I fully agree with you, that is indeed the target market. (I've also never used any of my multiple half frame cameras that did not have vertical default framing by the way. That's not new, that's the normal way...)
@nathansstuff15479 күн бұрын
I'm wondering why I can't comment on the Pentax 17 video anymore
@---us7qf5 күн бұрын
Big mummy KZread took away your privileges Nathan.
@nathansstuff15475 күн бұрын
@@---us7qf More likely the one running this channel
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
@@nathansstuff1547 nope , @---us7qf is right , i do nothing
@AnalogPhotographyEU5 күн бұрын
@@---us7qf yess
@eichemachensachen9 күн бұрын
Funny and true
@maxdronov9 күн бұрын
it does - it let people save on film
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
No it doesn't do that. Because nothing was stopping you from buying any of 20 different models of half frame camera just like this one that already existed, and saving exactly as much on film, a year ago. So it did nothing to "let you" do that thing you were already capable of doing. And you were (and still are) able to do it for $400 less, too. You did want to save money, right? So you are super excited to hear that you can save half on film AND also save $400 by getting an even better half frame camera than this for $100, then?
@ryan2stix9 күн бұрын
The price will tank this camera
@theangrymarmot83368 күн бұрын
And yet every major retailer is sold out of them........
@pdtech452410 күн бұрын
I really like the look and features of the new Pentax 17 but for me it's just a bit out of my budget. I'm sure it will be a great success and will hopefully bring more bew film cameras to the market. I already own a 1960s half frame camera, the Olympus Pen EE, I only paid £15 for it.😊 I've added your channel, it's good to connect with other analogue photographers 📸
@SudsyG10 күн бұрын
I just dont see why you'd ever get this Pentax over something like an Olympus XA
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
EXACTLY , THANKS TO SAYING THATH
@ComGoBoo10 күн бұрын
Didn't test the Pentax 17, doesn't research his claims, proceeds to compare apples to oranges and then moves on to insults. Well done Sir! You have achieved the level of grade A certified bullshitter!
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
aplles to oranges? is that different a film camera from a film camera? 🤣
@nathansstuff15479 күн бұрын
@@AnalogPhotographyEU You compared used camera prices to it. Ricoh exists to make money. They aren't going to lose money just to get a bunch of people to start using film which they don't make.
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
@@nathansstuff1547 Even if the P17 is adequately priced, it will always compete with the used market. It's not better than the old cameras you can buy used, it's not better build quality (arguably worse than most) and it's much more expensive. Yeah you get warranty, but in the EU you also get warranty for used cameras purchased in professional stores. So I kinda have to agree, I don't see who this camera is for.
@theangrymarmot833610 күн бұрын
This is a brand new, warrantied camera from a great manufacturer. A new film camera in 2024. The price is completely fine. I pre-ordered mine Monday. I would have paid more. I will by buying the MiNT Rollei 35AF too - and I can't wait to see all the smooth brains have a collective stroke over what that costs. Zone focus is fine. Half frame is fine. Fixed shutter / variable aperture is fine. I don't understand the lack of working brain cells people are demonstrating by trying to compare this to SLRs, or complaining about "manual" controls, or whining about half-frame. News flash - this is a "point-and-shoot." Say it with me now, party people - "POINT AND SHOOT." That is why zone focusing, 72 shots per roll, and program mode make sense. That is why it doesn't have manual control, that is why it doesn't have a hot shoe. Just like all the other point-and-shoots they made for decades. Why is this so hard to grasp? And now that we have cleared that up - $499 is perfectly acceptable price. Most of this camera's predecessors when adjusted for inflation are in the same range. Quality fixed lens digitals these days are way more money than this camera. This mentality of "Film camera = cheap" is B.S. Also, why are people so hung up on "who this camera is for?" Who gives a flying fornication. Everyone has their thongs all tangled up because it is for "influencers" and "new to film" people. No it isn't. It is for whoever wants it. I am on the upper, upper level of film retarda....erm enthusiast - I shoot 110,35,120, and 4x5. I develop my own film, print my own prints, make my own mattes and frames. I bought this camera cause it is the perfect "in the pocket" everyday "spray and pray" casual camera. WOW! Now it makes sense right? Maybe everyone can stop with the engagement / click bait - and just be thrilled we are getting a new film camera in 2024 that -actually is- priced well. Hell, I paid more than what this cost for my MiNT instax camera........
@nathansstuff154710 күн бұрын
It's stupid. People are seeing the prices of used film cameras then just thinking this should be lower priced cause of them. Must be forgetting that Pentax would've spent a decent bit of money developing it and getting equipment to make them.
@ArfurrCrown8 күн бұрын
Way to go sir you’re spot on with that comment if I had enough wedge I’d be buying one , so it’s still using my Pentax mx for now or maybe go pre-decimal and get a box camera 😊
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
I mean, you're precisely the target group I imagine for this camera. Someone who is more into buying cameras than using them. A collector with a buying obsession who will probably never shoot more than 5 rolls through the P17.
@theangrymarmot83368 күн бұрын
@@Fauxbourg I mean, you're not very precisely assuming a lot there skipper. I have been shooting film for more than 30 years. I don't leave the house without one of my cameras. I probably shoot a minimum of two - four rolls a week (or 35mm and/or 120) and at least a couple sheets of 4x5 a month - for decades. The Pentax is a perfect replacement for my old HiMatics that are getting a bit worn out at this point causing me to carry my Fuji GS645W which is substantially larger (and also a zone focus like the Pentax ) and much more expensive/fragile than the Pentax. While you are right, I collect cameras - but I also use my cameras heavily. You have really went all out with your hating of this camera - replying to nearly every person supporting it on this video. Why do you care so much if it isn't something you are interested in?
@Fauxbourg7 күн бұрын
@@theangrymarmot8336 I'm not necessarily hating on the camera even though I must admit that I think it's a weird product with weird specs and weird pricing that will find it hard to find its audience. Lots of people are just bending over backwards to explain this product and that's what I don't like. 1, pricing: Yes, 550€ might be a fair price for what the camera offers and vintage film cameras were much more expensive back in the day. But that's not the point. They're dirt cheap now and most of them offer much more than the Pentax 17. Wether it's fair or not, this new camera will have to compete with used market prices and it will struggle to do so. 2, targeting a young audience: Again this comes down to a pricing issue, 550€ is just too much of an entry barrier for young people (say 14 to 20 years old). If you're interested in trying out film at that age, you'll pick up your dads/grandfathers old gear and see if film works for you. OR you'll buy a cheap disposable at a super market. The P17 is not priced as a low barrier entry camera and it doesn't offer enough to enthusiasts to warrant a purchase, besides the "It's great they're building a new film camera"-argument. So who will this camera be for, really? Collectors, probably, in the long run. 3, being "sold out": I used to work in logistics and this argument is currently regurgitated all over the place. But just because the Pentax warehouse might be empty right now, that doesn't mean the camera is sold out. It just means that they have sold their company stock to photography shops. I've been to a few of them this weekend and also checked online in Germany, and I can buy the Pentax 17 from every single shop that stocks them, right now. It is definitely not sold out.
@VariTimo10 күн бұрын
You know if you’re already a serious film photographer, you can just enjoy this camera for more casual fun point and shoot stuff.
@theangrymarmot83368 күн бұрын
That is why I bought my Pentax 17. Good pocket camera.
@tomscameras11 күн бұрын
Hey, you're the first one who is noticing that the ISO can't be set to anything lower than ISO 50. I agree with the other comments here that the Pentax 17 is not made to replace an old SLR! It's a simple-to-use compact camera, and I don't see anything wrong there. It's made for photographers who maybe want to get their first-ever analog camera, they don't want to worry too much about settings and things ... it's a cool little camera and I'm actually pretty happy it's not just a "remake" of some old camera, but a really clever new design! The price ... yeahh 549 Euros is a bit steep for what it is. But prices for all cameras (new from the store) are just ridiculous ... it's the times, they maybe just can't produce any cheaper today. BUT the ISO thing is really weird. There are some interesting films out there that have less than ISO 50 and they're on sale by Lomography and all those other brands ... so you go into an analog camera store, buy that brand-new analog camera, and then you can't get every film that they have in the same store cause some ISO settings are missing. I really don't get why Pentax did that !! (Yeeeah you can use the exposure compensation dial ... but c'mon that's no excuse for the missing ISO settings.)
@ComGoBoo10 күн бұрын
Regarding the ISO, there's a bit of a work-around if you want to shoot lower than ISO 50. You can still go "lower" by adjusting the exposure compensation. So you can go two stops lower, which would make the lowest ISO 12, I think. And if you want to shot slower film than that, I think this would not be the camera most people would go for anyways.
@Zobeid11 күн бұрын
This rant makes no sense. :( You hate the grip, but have never held it, while people who have seem to think it's Just Fine. You hate the exposure compensation dial, but have never used it. It only goes down to ISO 50, but you also have +/- 2 stops on the exposure compensation dial. You expect it to be both a better SLR than a vintage SLR and a better half-frame compact than a vintage half-fame compact. It also must compete on price with used fleaBay gear despite being factory new! It's not meant for people like you and me, who have a lot of knowledge and a closet already full of camera gear. It's meant to lower the barrier to entry, and to provide a mid-range option that's not a Lomography plastic toy or a blisteringly expensive Leica. And yes, it's… Odd. Pentax gonna Pentax. My biggest gripe is, I do wish they'd gone with aperture ring and shutter speed dial instead of a bunch of confusing modes. Pentax just love, love, love their mode dials. (Have you looked at the mode dials on most Pentax DSLRs? Haha!) For beginners I'd rather get them started learning the Exposure Triangle, first thing.
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
Yeah but it doesn't lower the barrier to entry with its 550€ price tag, that's the problem.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
No, just being better than a half frame compact vintage would be a good start. That by itself, not anything more. Which it fails to do. There are multiple 1960s cameras better than it on basically every single feature. E.g. the Canon Demi. The Demi can do up to NINE stops of exposure compensation, for example... For $100-120. Why should anyone care about "factory new"? What advantage does that have for my photography, exactly? Does the film know that it's in a factory new camera and behave more sharply les it be disrespectful?
@Zobeid3 күн бұрын
@@gavinjenkins899 The advantage for your photography is a camera that works and doesn't fail irreparably after a roll or two through it-something I've experienced too many times already with decades-old cameras from fleaBay.
@luispnrf11 күн бұрын
I totally agree "this camera makes no sense" and I won't buy it but... we must be both wrong because it's selling like hot cakes.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
Thank's a lot :))
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
The camera is in stock at every single photography store in my city. Selling like hotcakes should be reserved to something like the 100VI that is backordered for probably a year into the future at least. I could go out tomorrow and buy the Pentax 17 from 10 different stores.
@luispnrf7 күн бұрын
@@Fauxbourg Considering that, according to Pentax RIcoh, the camera is "scheduled for release on July 12, 2024" I find rather strange that you can buy it everywhere. However it's a fact that they are not accepting more pre-orders since the pre-orders have outpaced the prodution.
@nicklopro11 күн бұрын
Hey a fellow film tuber who's keeping it reel! I also posted a critical take on the Pentax 17. So many budget vintage gear alternatives for a half frame cam that have better features. Thanks for sharing man! Hopefully Pentax doesn't try to cancel us! Lol Subbed. Good luck and god speed! Happy snapping.
@tengkubingit442211 күн бұрын
I feel like this camera could be a good gift, and that's all imo especially the packaging for a film lover. With the price you can get a bunch of good Professional cameras like you said, hell 100 dollar can get you a way better option like the Yashica Electro. But still, it's Pentax's wetting their feet. We might get something better if this is a good one
@MrFilipcee11 күн бұрын
In all honestly the price of that Pentax 17 is very reasonable considering modern camera prices. It has warranty, it's well built, it has a few interesting quirks, flash, electronics, it's automatic. It's essentially the price of a compact Olympus or Sony while offering a quite unique experience and actually putting some life into film photography - a new film camera means new parts, new people trying it out, more film stock sold etc. etc. If anything, analog shooters should be supportive of this project instead of whining they can get an old dirty FM2 or a garden sale digicam for 100$. This is a brand new item with warranty and actually some cool features. It's designed for point and shoot and gives You 72 frames. The automatic nature of it means it's beginner friendly. Pentax is a niche company, and I was very skeptical of this project, but overall I think they did a fantastic job.
@KeiFresh11 күн бұрын
A beginner probably isn’t spending $500 on their first camera
@lai2ke411 күн бұрын
With that kind of money, you can get yashica T4, Olympus epic, though second hand, they are much much better that this newly produced toy.
@donkim627810 күн бұрын
I think this camera is more for people who are familiar with 35mm format and who has never been interested in half format. Half format used to mean worse image quality, but with advanced optics the images are actually turning up nice, so its a new light shined for the overlooked format. Also it really offers some kind of new experience to film photographers.
@MrFilipcee10 күн бұрын
@@lai2ke4 so don't get it. Keep buying used gear, never buy new, the be surprised the prices of the used gear go up. Because they do, because there are no new analogs being made, and vintage stuff keeps going up in price.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
60 years of film cameras, and this is innovative beacuse the flash cammon don't try tu defend this camera only because is write pentax!
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d11 күн бұрын
It's a camera targeting influencers, not anyone who actually wants quality returns from use. It's priced out of itself with conflicting design choices that both rob you of control and overcomplicates auto modes.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
😁😁😁
@dima135311 күн бұрын
Even if it's not for us, it's very good that they made it. It confuses me that they decided to reinvent the logic of automatic shooting, when the usual rings with the A position worked just fine from the 70s to modern Fuji. They believe that this is more convenient for beginners, but I can argue with this, besides, for at least some conscious shooting it is much easier to work with conventional semi-automatic modes than to try to deceive all these modes, forcing them to do what you want. But nevertheless, I'm glad that this camera exists. This camera will make Pentax a LOT of money, not as much as Instax makes Fuji, but I think it will be a very good profit for the company. This camera will also bring a lot of benefits to film photography in general.
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
I disagree, they made it instead of other thigns they could have made instead, there is an opportunity cost. They could have made a new camera that was not wholly redundant, and that used new technology we've discovered in the last 60 years. If you want to get real crazy, you could use technology from the last, dare I say 20 years even? 10?! Making this instead means we didn't get that, which would have been great for all shooters, new ones and old ones.
@tim_meyer11 күн бұрын
I honestly say the camera is cool and stylish. BUT the price is really way too high for this type of camera. I see the camera more as a beginner point and shoot but a beginner would never want to spend that much money on a film camera
@nathansstuff154711 күн бұрын
For what is, it's actually priced pretty well, even if it seems expensive for a lot of people. A lot of people complaining about it are comparing it to the cost of a used camera, and say it should be priced closer to them, which doesn't really make sense.
@khairulhelmihashim251011 күн бұрын
the other new plastic film cameras in the market costs 1/6 than Pentax, but comes with plastic lens, super slow lens, zero controls, poor winding/rewinding experience. this new Pentax camera gives the proper feel of a film camera.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
ok i agree, but is not the double the price , is 7 times more, and also a piece of plastic like others cost too much 70$ for what they are >:)
@gavinjenkins8993 күн бұрын
So what? Don't buy either of them. If you want sleek sports car premium HALF frame cameras with meters, get a Canon Demi for example. Better manual controls, no batteries (but still a meter), also very sharp glass AND faster than P17 lens, all solid metal much better made than the P17, beautiful, sleeker in your pocket, and like $120.
@AMore42911 күн бұрын
Very good.
@norjia11 күн бұрын
this camera is not aimed at enthusiasts. it is aimed at people who want a step up from disposable cameras that is better built, gives them more options, a glass lens. makes the film cheaper in the long run, the price is surprisingly normal actually. if you take the release price of comparable cameras from back in the day and account for inflation it is even slightly cheaper. you sir, are not the target audience. WE are not the target audience.
@norjia11 күн бұрын
additionally we always take a risk when we buy vintage gear. imagine spending 200 dollars on a highly regarded vintage camera. you checked if it worked. and it works for 2 more days, then the shutter dies. oop well maybe you should have LOOKED BETTER. is the usual reaction from certain snobs. we shouldn't gatekeep this community. the more people enter the hobby the better it will be for us cause the chance of new cameras being made targeted at hobbyist and professionals increases
@myoung4828111 күн бұрын
Why would they move from a film camera to another film camera in 2024 unless they are of a sophisticated niche of pro film esthetic. This is for experienced film shooters like myself that want something new, like a brand new film camera that has some unusual features that tempt a different shooting experience. $500 is not a big deal for this camera.
@theangrymarmot833610 күн бұрын
It is aimed at whoever wants one. I am a very experience film photographer and I bought one cause it is a nice, pocketable casual point-and-shoot. I don't know why people are so enthusiastic to put this camera in a "whos it for" box.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
i partially agree, but the lens is not something that compensete the price, if an f3.5 and the price in front of older cameras at the times does not make sense, in past you can't choose, dont exist cheap film cameras today exist cheap film cameras, and way more better :) i understend the target, we are not, but who will buy this camera? maybe collectionists
@theangrymarmot833610 күн бұрын
@@AnalogPhotographyEU Well, a ton of people bought it because it is pretty much sold out, pentax released a press release a day or two ago saying they got orders for way more than anticipated and they probably can't fill all the backorders. Mine arrives on Wednesday. I have a bin of old cameras I bought there were "working" when they were not. The cameras in that bin cost more collectively then the brand new Pentax. You take a gamble on old gear, and if I had to choose on rolling the dice to buy a 50 year old camera for a couple hundred bucks - or a brand new camera that does what I want for $499 - I will buy the new one every time. I have 15+ film cameras I use often and I can't wait to get my hands on a high quality, brand new film camera that has good glass, and nice controls.
@fredericcoomans122111 күн бұрын
Since when is 36 divided by 2 = 17?
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
you lose some space because there is space between the 2 new fotograms 😉
@fred15ism10 күн бұрын
OK, got it. Thank you for claryfying this point. Nice video btw! ;-)
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
@@fred15ism 😁😁😁😁
@nathansstuff154711 күн бұрын
The price makes perfect sense, people in the last few days have shown you get plenty of "resolution" from images using the Pentax 17 too. A lot of what you can buy used is from the 70's and 80's with questionable service history, and technically cost more than this one when they were new. Edit: I see you've stopped me from making any new comments. What things did you not like me saying? That it's silly to compare used camera prices to it? Ricoh exists to make money, they don't make film, so they're not going to sell their cameras at a loss. They spent money developing this camera too, which as well as manufacturing costs, goes into what the consumer pays. Everyone sells things for more than they "cost". They price them so "high" cause they need to make money back on what they spent creating a product.
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d11 күн бұрын
Copium. The K1000 is roughly the same price when adjusted for inflation with none of the limitations. The $500 price tag hurts even more when you consider our living costs in 2024 compared to the 80's 90's.
@AnalogPhotographyEU10 күн бұрын
At the times, you cant choose film cameras, there was only thaht ones, but today you can choose to have more for less price and cameras like the nikon, olympus, or the spotmatic itself , works perfect still today
@nathansstuff154710 күн бұрын
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d When adjusted for inflation the K1000 was almost $1000 if you included a lens
@nathansstuff154710 күн бұрын
@AnalogPhotographyEU So just cause you're comparing it to the used market, you think it's overpriced. Forgetting they would've spent a decent bit of money on R&D and actually getting a lot of the tooling to make these. If these do well and they make SLRs like they're planning, will you say they're overpriced when they inevitably cost close to $1000?
@Fauxbourg8 күн бұрын
@@nathansstuff1547 Yeah but your argument doesn't matter. The Pentax 17 competes with the used market wether you like it or not. And in most (almost every) instances, it makes more sense to go for a high-end used camera than this.
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You should work on presentation part. So much effort, so much work, but flow and editing... I'm not a native English speaker myself, so I understand broken English even better than "fluent" English, but your pauses may tire some natives. It's a really good idea to bring different 50 1.4 and show that there is practically no real difference between them. People wrote kilometers of text on forums, talking about the “character” of these lenses. I see the same circles in the bokeh. I don't think I can tell them apart in any real photo. But i think the coin test is a little harsh. Old lenses tend to lose contrast at close distances. It would also be cool to compare some kind of autofocus lens with them, but with a comparable formula, for example EF 50 1.4
thank a lot, i just started this channel and i try to improve :)
I use a similar tube thingy for scanning old slides. Seems like a great solution for scanning cut strips. Do you ever scan whole rolls before they get archived? I just posted a youtube short showing how I scan my 35mm film with my sony a7iii and the essential film holder. Check it out if you get a sec my fellow film tuber! Anyway happy snapping man!
I loved this video! I would have loved it if you would have taken some pictures and shared them with us. Maybe next time. But, I really did learn a lot. Thank You so, much.Roger
It is a wonderful camera - as long as the resistor ring in the meter is still good, the one weak point. I had mine repaired. If your looking for bullet proof, go with the F4. Both superb kit.
I want them to make a camera with what would have been 2 sensors, but with film in place of one of the sensors. The other can take digital photos at the same time, and give an EVF with heads up display, black and white viewfinding when you have black and white film, autofocus with that sensor, focus peaking, etc.
It's really not fair to compare a new $500 camera to a camera that, if it were built today, would likely sell for $1500-$2000. Congratulations on a terrific find, and shoot it till it falls apart, which hopefully, won't happen for many years. Mirandas were beautiful cameras, and the Sensorex line were pretty much the last great Mirandas.
over your next 50 years of ownership, you will save more than 500 euros on film if you get the 17. there is value in buying new with warranty. your camera is a time bomb. More and more expensive to repair.
A great buy. It is in mint condition...
Oh no! My ebay SLR broke?! I guess I'll have to buy another one, for still less money than the Pentax 17. Oh no! My second ebay SLR broke? Oh man, I'm gonna have to buy another one! For still less money than the Pentax 17. Oh wow oh no, I bought 3 at once that time and they all exploded in the same accident. I guess I'll buy 4 at once next time. For still less money than the Pentax 17. (If someone wants a half frame, the Canon Demi is *chef's kiss* by the way)
Very nice camera! The shutter curtain looks straight and sounds great, so it should work fine. Miranda's lenses were extremely good and designed in partnership with Soligor. By the way, Pentax is releasing one more film camera this year. The half-frame 17 was just the first on out of the gate (but no one knows what the second one will be.)
A half-frame gives half the resolution of a 35mm film, which is already limited. And $500 bucks? No way! For $500, buy a medium-format vintage camera and call it a day. You get better results with it.
It's funny to see people viciously attacking those who mention the very, very obvious shortcomings of this camera and the shortcomings of the direction it points to. Just be honest folks, you cheer for this camera not because it's a good product. It's absolutely mediocre. You cheer for it because you wan't it to "save film." Only, it won't, not that it needs "saving" to begin with. You're selfishly throwing the novices that might buy this camera under the bus because it supposedly "supports the cause." That's a very bad reason to support a product.
Heey bruh
Hey, I have one of those, somewhere in a closet in a camera case…I bet I haven’t looked at it in 25 years, I should dig it out
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I love my F2! And well, all of my Nikons!
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I love this camera and i agree it is the best 35mm slr. I love using mine. But nothing is indestructible. People have destroyed these. But take good care of them, have them overhauled every 20-30 years, and no reason they can’t go for a hundred years or more.
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Just sent for a Nikon f601 30euros their not mechanical but Nikon generally build tough cameras I can shoot it in manual and aperture priority with my manual focus nikkors or put it on program with an af lens how much film can you buy for 520 euros Pentax are barking up the wrong tree on this one Fuji have shown people still prefer the old analogue control system 1/2 frame ok cuts costs fixed lens yes but f3.5 on such a large camera olympus done the same on the xa2 but that was truly pocket sized I think it's been so long Pentax have forgotten how to build a film camera
Well i have several F2...and one FT3.... in most regards the FT3 is the better camera
for usability truly yess 😄😁
Over the decades, I have owned and used the following film and digital cameras: 1. Large format, medium format and small format cameras 2. SLR, TLR, view, folder, and rangefinder cameras 3. Ansco, Kodak, Diana, Holga, Graflex, and Calumet view cameras 4. Argus, Canon, Contax, Fuji, Leica, and Minolta rangefinder film cameras 5. Nikon, Pentax, Fuji, and Mamiya SLR film cameras 6. Nikon F, F2, F3, F4, N70, N2000, and EM 35mm film SLR cameras 7. Olympus, Fuji, Leica, and Canon digital cameras Of all the cameras I have owned and used, the Nikon F2 with standard non-metered prism has my personal favorite camera.
Nice really! 😁😁😁😁😁
Horrible design and idiotic price tag for a half-frame camera, you can buy a gorgeous Olympus Pen F for that price.
I don't get all the negative comments by many people. They are claiming it's too expensive & better to buy a used 1970s camera. The thing is Used film cameras are not cheap & are not reliable at all. I can't give explanation for some people who might find it pleasing when their used old film camera brokes (mechanical) or just dies (electronic). Maybe they like self inflected pain 😬. Many of us don't have the knowledge to repair it ourselves when it breaks & cameras with electronics (like the canon Ae1, Nikon f3, Pentax me) need someone skilled to do so. And quite a lot of us are not lucky to have a person/store near our place that still repairs film cameras in this day & age. And how can anyone buy Leica film camera? It cost the same as a car where I'm based. So I'm really happy Pentax has launched this new film camera.
Yes they are cheap. Better cameras than this by far are for sale as I speak for $100 in fully working condition. Konica Eye. Canon Demi. Canon Twist 35. Yashica Samurai (that one is half frame and autofocus and has a zoom lens, all for $100) And yes they are plenty reliable. I've bought dozens of ebay cameras, never once have I had one single one. Not one. Ever fail after the 30 day ebay warranty (if it's before that it cost you $0). And you don't need to repair anything anyway even if one did happen to break. Just buy a second one if you dont' want to repair. You'll still be hundreds of dollars ahead of a P17. And then buy a 3rd one. And a 4th one. You'll STILL be ahead of the cost of a P17.
One there are no parts for those old cameras anymore. Even here in NYC many of them cannot be repaired. $499, a fraction of the price of the cheapest beginner digital camera, for a beautiful mostly metal camera, repairable for decades with a full Ricoh warranty is not too expensive. It’s the price of one third party prime lens. Lastly people spend hundreds on ancient compacts like the Olympus XA-1. If you love film, Pentax 17 is a no brainer.
You can get an ALL metal, not mostly metal, half frame camera, with a better lens than this (2.8, even sharper), superior manual controls, more portable shape, no annoying focus by wire weirdness, no battery that can run out (it has a meter, but it's like a solar panel one it powers itself), better in every single way, camera than this, for $100-120, called a Canon Demi. Then you can buy 3 more of them as backups if you want (which also means you DO have parts for them. x3 of every part, in fact, though why bother to repair at all when you have 4 copies?), and still be saving money. Zero reason to choose P17 over that.
Just discovered your Channel. And will subscribe. Fellow Europeans unite. The Pentax 7, i really do not like it. Halfframe. Plastic build. Not aimed at general photography. And the price. You can buy 2 full analog systems for that. OM1, Pentax ME, Nikon FE, Canon AE1. I spit on it indeed.
Personally, if I wanted to shoot film- I'd by a nice second hand K1000... for much less money... and with less constraints !!
Just commented on your Sony Alpha 350 review and now I find that I'm here for this too! I have two F2's (including the final DP12 'AS' model). With my 50mm f1.2 lens mounted they are enormously heavy to the point where I rarely have them with me. Having some physical 'issues', it's just too much weight for an old man (63) like me. A younger and fitter man would have no problems though (recommend the widest shoulder strap you can find). It's also worth mentioning that the F2 range is expensive. The two I bought (months apart) were a combined UK £1,200 (including precautionary servicing). If you're thinking of buying one, I suggest using an established seller (e.g. Gray's of Westminster in London) and paying the extra for peace of mind. Liking this channel very much - subscribed.
i understand, thanks a lot 😁😁😁😁
Still got mine, and before disability stopped me walking, I used to 'do' wedding photography, family shoots and even some paid architectural work (a cheap Sunpak flash worked well for reflected light too). Made a modest living from it just using the two kit lenses which were in the box (and later a lovely Minolta AF prime). I even used the free Sony imaging software that came with it. Again, not exactly Photoshop but adequate for my needs. The aftermarket vertical battery grip (non-Sony) has worked fine from day one. Obviously there are better options (even when it was new), but 16 years later mine is doing just fine (especially considering I hardly ever use it these days due to physical limitations). Best of all, they are now cheap to buy. Recommended for 'digital on a budget'.
Your video is funny. Your channel title is "analog photography", but it doesn't look like you do a lot of "analog photography"... based on your video listing 🤔. I think that this Pentax 17 is rather made for young people who have never used film and who photographed with a smartphone (hence the vertical framing)... This is the opinion of an old guy who bought his first Pentax spotmatic SLR in 1966...😊 Bravo PENTAX !
Young people who never used film aren't going to buy a 550€ camera as their entry point.
So in other words, people ignorant of how much they're getting ripped off by buying a worse, less featured, flimsier version of better cameras for 5x the money. Yes, actually, I fully agree with you, that is indeed the target market. (I've also never used any of my multiple half frame cameras that did not have vertical default framing by the way. That's not new, that's the normal way...)
I'm wondering why I can't comment on the Pentax 17 video anymore
Big mummy KZread took away your privileges Nathan.
@@---us7qf More likely the one running this channel
@@nathansstuff1547 nope , @---us7qf is right , i do nothing
@@---us7qf yess
Funny and true
it does - it let people save on film
No it doesn't do that. Because nothing was stopping you from buying any of 20 different models of half frame camera just like this one that already existed, and saving exactly as much on film, a year ago. So it did nothing to "let you" do that thing you were already capable of doing. And you were (and still are) able to do it for $400 less, too. You did want to save money, right? So you are super excited to hear that you can save half on film AND also save $400 by getting an even better half frame camera than this for $100, then?
The price will tank this camera
And yet every major retailer is sold out of them........
I really like the look and features of the new Pentax 17 but for me it's just a bit out of my budget. I'm sure it will be a great success and will hopefully bring more bew film cameras to the market. I already own a 1960s half frame camera, the Olympus Pen EE, I only paid £15 for it.😊 I've added your channel, it's good to connect with other analogue photographers 📸
I just dont see why you'd ever get this Pentax over something like an Olympus XA
EXACTLY , THANKS TO SAYING THATH
Didn't test the Pentax 17, doesn't research his claims, proceeds to compare apples to oranges and then moves on to insults. Well done Sir! You have achieved the level of grade A certified bullshitter!
aplles to oranges? is that different a film camera from a film camera? 🤣
@@AnalogPhotographyEU You compared used camera prices to it. Ricoh exists to make money. They aren't going to lose money just to get a bunch of people to start using film which they don't make.
@@nathansstuff1547 Even if the P17 is adequately priced, it will always compete with the used market. It's not better than the old cameras you can buy used, it's not better build quality (arguably worse than most) and it's much more expensive. Yeah you get warranty, but in the EU you also get warranty for used cameras purchased in professional stores. So I kinda have to agree, I don't see who this camera is for.
This is a brand new, warrantied camera from a great manufacturer. A new film camera in 2024. The price is completely fine. I pre-ordered mine Monday. I would have paid more. I will by buying the MiNT Rollei 35AF too - and I can't wait to see all the smooth brains have a collective stroke over what that costs. Zone focus is fine. Half frame is fine. Fixed shutter / variable aperture is fine. I don't understand the lack of working brain cells people are demonstrating by trying to compare this to SLRs, or complaining about "manual" controls, or whining about half-frame. News flash - this is a "point-and-shoot." Say it with me now, party people - "POINT AND SHOOT." That is why zone focusing, 72 shots per roll, and program mode make sense. That is why it doesn't have manual control, that is why it doesn't have a hot shoe. Just like all the other point-and-shoots they made for decades. Why is this so hard to grasp? And now that we have cleared that up - $499 is perfectly acceptable price. Most of this camera's predecessors when adjusted for inflation are in the same range. Quality fixed lens digitals these days are way more money than this camera. This mentality of "Film camera = cheap" is B.S. Also, why are people so hung up on "who this camera is for?" Who gives a flying fornication. Everyone has their thongs all tangled up because it is for "influencers" and "new to film" people. No it isn't. It is for whoever wants it. I am on the upper, upper level of film retarda....erm enthusiast - I shoot 110,35,120, and 4x5. I develop my own film, print my own prints, make my own mattes and frames. I bought this camera cause it is the perfect "in the pocket" everyday "spray and pray" casual camera. WOW! Now it makes sense right? Maybe everyone can stop with the engagement / click bait - and just be thrilled we are getting a new film camera in 2024 that -actually is- priced well. Hell, I paid more than what this cost for my MiNT instax camera........
It's stupid. People are seeing the prices of used film cameras then just thinking this should be lower priced cause of them. Must be forgetting that Pentax would've spent a decent bit of money developing it and getting equipment to make them.
Way to go sir you’re spot on with that comment if I had enough wedge I’d be buying one , so it’s still using my Pentax mx for now or maybe go pre-decimal and get a box camera 😊
I mean, you're precisely the target group I imagine for this camera. Someone who is more into buying cameras than using them. A collector with a buying obsession who will probably never shoot more than 5 rolls through the P17.
@@Fauxbourg I mean, you're not very precisely assuming a lot there skipper. I have been shooting film for more than 30 years. I don't leave the house without one of my cameras. I probably shoot a minimum of two - four rolls a week (or 35mm and/or 120) and at least a couple sheets of 4x5 a month - for decades. The Pentax is a perfect replacement for my old HiMatics that are getting a bit worn out at this point causing me to carry my Fuji GS645W which is substantially larger (and also a zone focus like the Pentax ) and much more expensive/fragile than the Pentax. While you are right, I collect cameras - but I also use my cameras heavily. You have really went all out with your hating of this camera - replying to nearly every person supporting it on this video. Why do you care so much if it isn't something you are interested in?
@@theangrymarmot8336 I'm not necessarily hating on the camera even though I must admit that I think it's a weird product with weird specs and weird pricing that will find it hard to find its audience. Lots of people are just bending over backwards to explain this product and that's what I don't like. 1, pricing: Yes, 550€ might be a fair price for what the camera offers and vintage film cameras were much more expensive back in the day. But that's not the point. They're dirt cheap now and most of them offer much more than the Pentax 17. Wether it's fair or not, this new camera will have to compete with used market prices and it will struggle to do so. 2, targeting a young audience: Again this comes down to a pricing issue, 550€ is just too much of an entry barrier for young people (say 14 to 20 years old). If you're interested in trying out film at that age, you'll pick up your dads/grandfathers old gear and see if film works for you. OR you'll buy a cheap disposable at a super market. The P17 is not priced as a low barrier entry camera and it doesn't offer enough to enthusiasts to warrant a purchase, besides the "It's great they're building a new film camera"-argument. So who will this camera be for, really? Collectors, probably, in the long run. 3, being "sold out": I used to work in logistics and this argument is currently regurgitated all over the place. But just because the Pentax warehouse might be empty right now, that doesn't mean the camera is sold out. It just means that they have sold their company stock to photography shops. I've been to a few of them this weekend and also checked online in Germany, and I can buy the Pentax 17 from every single shop that stocks them, right now. It is definitely not sold out.
You know if you’re already a serious film photographer, you can just enjoy this camera for more casual fun point and shoot stuff.
That is why I bought my Pentax 17. Good pocket camera.
Hey, you're the first one who is noticing that the ISO can't be set to anything lower than ISO 50. I agree with the other comments here that the Pentax 17 is not made to replace an old SLR! It's a simple-to-use compact camera, and I don't see anything wrong there. It's made for photographers who maybe want to get their first-ever analog camera, they don't want to worry too much about settings and things ... it's a cool little camera and I'm actually pretty happy it's not just a "remake" of some old camera, but a really clever new design! The price ... yeahh 549 Euros is a bit steep for what it is. But prices for all cameras (new from the store) are just ridiculous ... it's the times, they maybe just can't produce any cheaper today. BUT the ISO thing is really weird. There are some interesting films out there that have less than ISO 50 and they're on sale by Lomography and all those other brands ... so you go into an analog camera store, buy that brand-new analog camera, and then you can't get every film that they have in the same store cause some ISO settings are missing. I really don't get why Pentax did that !! (Yeeeah you can use the exposure compensation dial ... but c'mon that's no excuse for the missing ISO settings.)
Regarding the ISO, there's a bit of a work-around if you want to shoot lower than ISO 50. You can still go "lower" by adjusting the exposure compensation. So you can go two stops lower, which would make the lowest ISO 12, I think. And if you want to shot slower film than that, I think this would not be the camera most people would go for anyways.
This rant makes no sense. :( You hate the grip, but have never held it, while people who have seem to think it's Just Fine. You hate the exposure compensation dial, but have never used it. It only goes down to ISO 50, but you also have +/- 2 stops on the exposure compensation dial. You expect it to be both a better SLR than a vintage SLR and a better half-frame compact than a vintage half-fame compact. It also must compete on price with used fleaBay gear despite being factory new! It's not meant for people like you and me, who have a lot of knowledge and a closet already full of camera gear. It's meant to lower the barrier to entry, and to provide a mid-range option that's not a Lomography plastic toy or a blisteringly expensive Leica. And yes, it's… Odd. Pentax gonna Pentax. My biggest gripe is, I do wish they'd gone with aperture ring and shutter speed dial instead of a bunch of confusing modes. Pentax just love, love, love their mode dials. (Have you looked at the mode dials on most Pentax DSLRs? Haha!) For beginners I'd rather get them started learning the Exposure Triangle, first thing.
Yeah but it doesn't lower the barrier to entry with its 550€ price tag, that's the problem.
No, just being better than a half frame compact vintage would be a good start. That by itself, not anything more. Which it fails to do. There are multiple 1960s cameras better than it on basically every single feature. E.g. the Canon Demi. The Demi can do up to NINE stops of exposure compensation, for example... For $100-120. Why should anyone care about "factory new"? What advantage does that have for my photography, exactly? Does the film know that it's in a factory new camera and behave more sharply les it be disrespectful?
@@gavinjenkins899 The advantage for your photography is a camera that works and doesn't fail irreparably after a roll or two through it-something I've experienced too many times already with decades-old cameras from fleaBay.
I totally agree "this camera makes no sense" and I won't buy it but... we must be both wrong because it's selling like hot cakes.
Thank's a lot :))
The camera is in stock at every single photography store in my city. Selling like hotcakes should be reserved to something like the 100VI that is backordered for probably a year into the future at least. I could go out tomorrow and buy the Pentax 17 from 10 different stores.
@@Fauxbourg Considering that, according to Pentax RIcoh, the camera is "scheduled for release on July 12, 2024" I find rather strange that you can buy it everywhere. However it's a fact that they are not accepting more pre-orders since the pre-orders have outpaced the prodution.
Hey a fellow film tuber who's keeping it reel! I also posted a critical take on the Pentax 17. So many budget vintage gear alternatives for a half frame cam that have better features. Thanks for sharing man! Hopefully Pentax doesn't try to cancel us! Lol Subbed. Good luck and god speed! Happy snapping.
I feel like this camera could be a good gift, and that's all imo especially the packaging for a film lover. With the price you can get a bunch of good Professional cameras like you said, hell 100 dollar can get you a way better option like the Yashica Electro. But still, it's Pentax's wetting their feet. We might get something better if this is a good one
In all honestly the price of that Pentax 17 is very reasonable considering modern camera prices. It has warranty, it's well built, it has a few interesting quirks, flash, electronics, it's automatic. It's essentially the price of a compact Olympus or Sony while offering a quite unique experience and actually putting some life into film photography - a new film camera means new parts, new people trying it out, more film stock sold etc. etc. If anything, analog shooters should be supportive of this project instead of whining they can get an old dirty FM2 or a garden sale digicam for 100$. This is a brand new item with warranty and actually some cool features. It's designed for point and shoot and gives You 72 frames. The automatic nature of it means it's beginner friendly. Pentax is a niche company, and I was very skeptical of this project, but overall I think they did a fantastic job.
A beginner probably isn’t spending $500 on their first camera
With that kind of money, you can get yashica T4, Olympus epic, though second hand, they are much much better that this newly produced toy.
I think this camera is more for people who are familiar with 35mm format and who has never been interested in half format. Half format used to mean worse image quality, but with advanced optics the images are actually turning up nice, so its a new light shined for the overlooked format. Also it really offers some kind of new experience to film photographers.
@@lai2ke4 so don't get it. Keep buying used gear, never buy new, the be surprised the prices of the used gear go up. Because they do, because there are no new analogs being made, and vintage stuff keeps going up in price.
60 years of film cameras, and this is innovative beacuse the flash cammon don't try tu defend this camera only because is write pentax!
It's a camera targeting influencers, not anyone who actually wants quality returns from use. It's priced out of itself with conflicting design choices that both rob you of control and overcomplicates auto modes.
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Even if it's not for us, it's very good that they made it. It confuses me that they decided to reinvent the logic of automatic shooting, when the usual rings with the A position worked just fine from the 70s to modern Fuji. They believe that this is more convenient for beginners, but I can argue with this, besides, for at least some conscious shooting it is much easier to work with conventional semi-automatic modes than to try to deceive all these modes, forcing them to do what you want. But nevertheless, I'm glad that this camera exists. This camera will make Pentax a LOT of money, not as much as Instax makes Fuji, but I think it will be a very good profit for the company. This camera will also bring a lot of benefits to film photography in general.
I disagree, they made it instead of other thigns they could have made instead, there is an opportunity cost. They could have made a new camera that was not wholly redundant, and that used new technology we've discovered in the last 60 years. If you want to get real crazy, you could use technology from the last, dare I say 20 years even? 10?! Making this instead means we didn't get that, which would have been great for all shooters, new ones and old ones.
I honestly say the camera is cool and stylish. BUT the price is really way too high for this type of camera. I see the camera more as a beginner point and shoot but a beginner would never want to spend that much money on a film camera
For what is, it's actually priced pretty well, even if it seems expensive for a lot of people. A lot of people complaining about it are comparing it to the cost of a used camera, and say it should be priced closer to them, which doesn't really make sense.
the other new plastic film cameras in the market costs 1/6 than Pentax, but comes with plastic lens, super slow lens, zero controls, poor winding/rewinding experience. this new Pentax camera gives the proper feel of a film camera.
ok i agree, but is not the double the price , is 7 times more, and also a piece of plastic like others cost too much 70$ for what they are >:)
So what? Don't buy either of them. If you want sleek sports car premium HALF frame cameras with meters, get a Canon Demi for example. Better manual controls, no batteries (but still a meter), also very sharp glass AND faster than P17 lens, all solid metal much better made than the P17, beautiful, sleeker in your pocket, and like $120.
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this camera is not aimed at enthusiasts. it is aimed at people who want a step up from disposable cameras that is better built, gives them more options, a glass lens. makes the film cheaper in the long run, the price is surprisingly normal actually. if you take the release price of comparable cameras from back in the day and account for inflation it is even slightly cheaper. you sir, are not the target audience. WE are not the target audience.
additionally we always take a risk when we buy vintage gear. imagine spending 200 dollars on a highly regarded vintage camera. you checked if it worked. and it works for 2 more days, then the shutter dies. oop well maybe you should have LOOKED BETTER. is the usual reaction from certain snobs. we shouldn't gatekeep this community. the more people enter the hobby the better it will be for us cause the chance of new cameras being made targeted at hobbyist and professionals increases
Why would they move from a film camera to another film camera in 2024 unless they are of a sophisticated niche of pro film esthetic. This is for experienced film shooters like myself that want something new, like a brand new film camera that has some unusual features that tempt a different shooting experience. $500 is not a big deal for this camera.
It is aimed at whoever wants one. I am a very experience film photographer and I bought one cause it is a nice, pocketable casual point-and-shoot. I don't know why people are so enthusiastic to put this camera in a "whos it for" box.
i partially agree, but the lens is not something that compensete the price, if an f3.5 and the price in front of older cameras at the times does not make sense, in past you can't choose, dont exist cheap film cameras today exist cheap film cameras, and way more better :) i understend the target, we are not, but who will buy this camera? maybe collectionists
@@AnalogPhotographyEU Well, a ton of people bought it because it is pretty much sold out, pentax released a press release a day or two ago saying they got orders for way more than anticipated and they probably can't fill all the backorders. Mine arrives on Wednesday. I have a bin of old cameras I bought there were "working" when they were not. The cameras in that bin cost more collectively then the brand new Pentax. You take a gamble on old gear, and if I had to choose on rolling the dice to buy a 50 year old camera for a couple hundred bucks - or a brand new camera that does what I want for $499 - I will buy the new one every time. I have 15+ film cameras I use often and I can't wait to get my hands on a high quality, brand new film camera that has good glass, and nice controls.
Since when is 36 divided by 2 = 17?
you lose some space because there is space between the 2 new fotograms 😉
OK, got it. Thank you for claryfying this point. Nice video btw! ;-)
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The price makes perfect sense, people in the last few days have shown you get plenty of "resolution" from images using the Pentax 17 too. A lot of what you can buy used is from the 70's and 80's with questionable service history, and technically cost more than this one when they were new. Edit: I see you've stopped me from making any new comments. What things did you not like me saying? That it's silly to compare used camera prices to it? Ricoh exists to make money, they don't make film, so they're not going to sell their cameras at a loss. They spent money developing this camera too, which as well as manufacturing costs, goes into what the consumer pays. Everyone sells things for more than they "cost". They price them so "high" cause they need to make money back on what they spent creating a product.
Copium. The K1000 is roughly the same price when adjusted for inflation with none of the limitations. The $500 price tag hurts even more when you consider our living costs in 2024 compared to the 80's 90's.
At the times, you cant choose film cameras, there was only thaht ones, but today you can choose to have more for less price and cameras like the nikon, olympus, or the spotmatic itself , works perfect still today
@s_t_r_a_y_e_d When adjusted for inflation the K1000 was almost $1000 if you included a lens
@AnalogPhotographyEU So just cause you're comparing it to the used market, you think it's overpriced. Forgetting they would've spent a decent bit of money on R&D and actually getting a lot of the tooling to make these. If these do well and they make SLRs like they're planning, will you say they're overpriced when they inevitably cost close to $1000?
@@nathansstuff1547 Yeah but your argument doesn't matter. The Pentax 17 competes with the used market wether you like it or not. And in most (almost every) instances, it makes more sense to go for a high-end used camera than this.