My only big mountain experience was in the Alps in the 70s. I was struck by how often one heard the helicopters, and how often people get killed. According to Wiki 100 people a year die on Mont Blanc alone. Occasionally these big dies occur, or some feud shows up like the classic Barber/Taylor feud. But people, people die all the time in the mountains, get over it. Double the altitude, it is going to be brutal.
@abhilashkulkarni660128 күн бұрын
If Rob had turned Doug back at 3:00 and accompanied him back to camp. Andy would have come back with him as well. He would have taken Beck with him as well. Mike groom has one less thing to worry about and are little bit faster. Rob could have gone back and assisted Bidlemann and groom. Except Scot everyone would be alive
@cappy2282Ай бұрын
Boukreev was awesome and i respect him for not holding clients hands
@gharte1808Ай бұрын
Krakauer's book has a lot of inconsistencies when compared with the timeline and the photographic evidence.
@denis888redАй бұрын
Fascinating, though I can't believe the bloke interviewing someone of the stature of Rheinhold Messner didn't even seem to know the names of Scott Fisher and Rob Hall! Bizarre. My (what I feel is a very important take) was that Krakeur was (in a sense re; marketing/advertising) a client. Boukreev was not. And that, is a very critical difference.
@truthof7382Ай бұрын
Everyone arguing is Jon should have out of his tent. Exhausted, wiped out Jon, who probably would have made it worse. Nobody is wondering why the 3 men on Rob’s team that turned around early didn’t get out of their tent? Nobody arguing on why NO Sherpas got out of their tent when Anatoli was looking for help? Just Jon? People are so silly.
@nccamsc2 ай бұрын
John Meeks, it’s Anatoli, not Anitoli - fix the title.
@nccamsc2 ай бұрын
The interviewer does not know the names of Fischer and Hall. Totally unprepared.
@JonasReichert19922 ай бұрын
That didn’t Age well. Almost every important Point of Krakauers Book is clearly a lie.
@JonasReichert19922 ай бұрын
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g I never even heard of someone with that name. I just read Bukreev, Weathers, Lou, Tacliffe, Gammalgaard. Al of them are identical in many little details- except for Krakauer who clearly is a liar.
@BlackMamba-ec4dn2 ай бұрын
The people to blame both died on that mountain! Greed and compassion has no place on that mountain! A lot of poor decisions were made by Scott Fisher and Rob Hall, they both disregarded the law and rules of climbing that mountain!
@Simp_Zone2 ай бұрын
Messner came off as a complete snob himself here so I don't know wtf he's talking about.
@nancifyme2 ай бұрын
Boukreev went out 3 times and saved 3 of the 5 stranded climbers. I find it interesting that those three climbers were were all from Scott Fischer’s Mountain Madness team.
@nancifyme2 ай бұрын
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g no - not at all, sorry if that could be implied. Boukreev was the guide for Scott, so I wonder if he first chose those from Scott’s group to take back to the camp. I know that the story is that Beck and Namba were in the worst condition, so perhaps there was triaging going on. But I just found it interesting.
@TheNewRevolution2 ай бұрын
I think it's easy to Monday morning QB the tragedy of '96. No one is perfect. There were a lot of people on Everest that had no business being there. It seems like no one was following protocol. No one was turning back before 2PM. Then a storm hit. It was the perfect environment for things to turn to shit, and they did. Anatoli did more than most people would have done. If were him, I would not have done the same, I would have made it clear to everyone that if you don't turn back if you can't summit by 2PM, you're on your own. Being a guide does not mean that you need to risk your life for people that are too stupid to be on the mountain in the first place. Jon just wrote about his experience, what he saw...and lived through. All the outside criticism is just noise. You were not there.
@melodymacken97883 ай бұрын
Great conversation.
@cynthiaplourde69613 ай бұрын
I saw this group in concert in San Jose, CA with my parents My father worked for Sa Jose Mercury and News
@GJ-wz1lm3 ай бұрын
Great video of friends singing a great song!🙂👍
@gardencornrobber3 ай бұрын
The liars there are in this world are unbelievable.
@skiss33274 ай бұрын
A night to remember, celebrate the great musicians 💕
@annamalayadevi4 ай бұрын
The interviewer is talking to messner abt 1996 tragedy and doesn't remember Rob halls name....born genius Mr interviewer😂
@Smokey66s4 ай бұрын
Seems like anyone who ventures out to tackle a Mountain like Everest should be prepared to die and not expect anyone to risk their lives to save you???
@annamalayadevi4 ай бұрын
the biggest mistake of all is u have reached summit well past the cut off time and u spend 45 minutes celebrating..... beidelman was after them to start moving...no one listened.... beidelman was himself on top of mountain for 1.5 hrs.... finally 3:30 he put his foot down..... Pitman is beyond imagination shameless.... people didn't hate her for what she did on mountain it's still acceptable...the real cause is how she behaved after coming to base camp
@dajodadarodajodo46004 ай бұрын
Interviewer did not know Rob Hall was the competitor to Scott Fisher ? Are you kidding ?
@halleck34 ай бұрын
There wouldn't be so much of a 'controversy' if there weren't people like this interviewer trying to stir shit up. And Messner's right to disregard the testimony of Moro, who wasn't even there. Karakauer and Boukreev agreed on much of what actually happened; they just had different ideas about what a guide's role should be. And Messner's absolutely correct: First, Boukreev wrote the book to refute/ defend what Krakauer said in his book. Second, and more importantly, Fischer and Hall's competition to get to the top and disregard for safety had a much greater impact on the events of May 1996.
@gg456stormy4 ай бұрын
Sad they don't know Rob Halls name. I don't climb and I know it.
@itsmedrooms60714 ай бұрын
What is Peter Dinklage doing here. I never would have expected him to be a mountaineer enthusiast, but hey, that’s fantastic.
@SharontheRedBaron4 ай бұрын
Is the song, “Take Me Home Country Roads”?🏔️💫🙏
@toddhall37104 ай бұрын
10-4 10-4 what is happing ing the middle east right now 10-4 we stay home be in the home and to all grizzlys we stay in our loges and do our office work and more snow comes and its getting colder out side we stay warm and eat good buck shot fever people got we stay home with our us air national guard birthday cake equment and stay warm and wait and coffee can shoot we here now and we is !!
@MrMannyfresh785 ай бұрын
At first I became angry when Messner said Rob Halls name “doesn’t matter.” Then I gave it some thought and I understood…
@Sellassie6 ай бұрын
“The only bird that could talk was the parrot; and he didn’t fly very well.” Enough said
@user-fs8bs7ki9t7 ай бұрын
твар и гнида етот недачеловак!!! крокауер
@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS7 ай бұрын
I have such incredible respect for Messener
@Raven18167 ай бұрын
Shameful take....
@minutemotivation54777 ай бұрын
Everyone on the Fisher-Boukreev expedition lived. Nuff said.
@habituallinestepper88397 ай бұрын
Rob Hall is the other leader
@thingonathinginathing7 ай бұрын
THE PART where he said to the group of students around 4:40 : " *There are great breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers, places to go beyond belief* " Sounds just like the former Lockheed Martin Skunkworks director, Ben Rich, who stated around the same time that, " *We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do* " Something tells me they were talking about the same shit.
@thingonathinginathing7 ай бұрын
Also, in 2023 David Grusch whistle-blew and literally said that this was the case... so, It doesn't take phd to have basic analytical skills to see the writing on the walls, what's In Plain Signt lol 👽
@Lily-Roses8 ай бұрын
Was that a finger … he gave at 3:35 ? 😂 This guy’s body has a lot to say.
@Lily-Roses8 ай бұрын
« Most American admire you for your QUIET dignity ».
@michellereardon7268 ай бұрын
Singing along as I am sobbing. I saw John just weeks before he left us. This music though is healing.
@toshiyaar78859 ай бұрын
Let's not forget that one may not have been physically strong enough to go out into the night and may have made things worse.
@felleice9 ай бұрын
Rob hall is the name of the new zeelander
@thomascleveland812110 ай бұрын
What a great video, could it really be 33 years ago. Denver had a clarity to his voice an effervescent quality I had never heard before or since. Viewing it now knowing what was ahead for John Denver it is heartbreaking as well.
@ig2d11 ай бұрын
My problem with Krakauer was his view that Boukreev had no business refusing to use supplementary oxygen whilst guiding.
@JohnSmith-ux3tt3 ай бұрын
Trouble is, all Everest guides before and since, agree with Krakauer. And the idea that the head guide simply leaves his clients on the top of Everest to make their own way down is ridiculous.
@eduardoprestes166311 ай бұрын
Boukreev was in the Scott Fischer's expedition, where nobody died, except Scott. The leader was the only one who died. The tragedy occurs with Rob Hall's expedition, with 4 deaths and 1 seriouly injured by frostbite. Mountain Madness and Broukreev's tatics worked well after all, exceot for Scott Fischer. But he had autonomy and made his own decisions. It was not Boukreev's fault.
@nadistota11 ай бұрын
the cancer of communism has degenerated society so much that 53 years after landing people on the moon, you send there a rocket worse than Saturn5 with a dummy in the color of a black man and a cunt. success no matter what
@nadistota11 ай бұрын
rak komunizmu tak zdegenerowal spoleczenstwo ze 53 lata po ladawaniu ludzi na ksiezycu wysylacie rakiete gorsza od saturna5 z manekinem w kolorze murzyna i pizda. sukces jak niewim co
@DalokiMauvais11 ай бұрын
I don't know how in the world I never saw this till now (mid-2023). Why is it only two songs? At the very least I'd have wished to hear solos from all of them. Joe Frazier's performance of "Moon of Alabama" is a masterpiece, as is Chad's "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out." I never liked the Trio as much after Chad left, as John's voice, although strong and appealing, didn't blend with Mike's and Joe's voices as well as Chad's had. I saw the original Trio once before Chad left, and saw Chad perform solo three times (went to one show twice) after that, all while I was in high school. It still surprises me that Chad didn't make it as a solo performer - he was outstanding.
@claytondavis308911 ай бұрын
Krakauer’s team lost its leader and clients. He helped no one and in fact had to be helped back down the mountain to the South Col. Boukreev saved the lives of several people. He was the only hero from this story. These modern day wanna-be climbers have no business being on 8000 meter peaks!
I've read Ed Viesturs account of the situation and he essentially agrees with Messner's description of what happened and who they were. He's careful not to say anything too negative but you can tell that he is supportive of Krakauer's account, and rather than cast any negative light on Boukreev he simply says that some of his actions that day were heroic, and that he was an impressive climber. If you read between the lines on the different ways he describes them, you can conclude what his opinion was. He was very close to Rob Hall, Scott, and others who were there. In fact, some of them had attended his wedding.
@Paul1958R10 ай бұрын
Much respect for and awe of Ed Viesturs. I have read all of his books. Without a doubt Boukreev and Viesturs were the two strongest climbers on that mountain in the spring of 1996.
@tinafischer2277 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful!!! You are greatly missed John Denver, but your spirit lives forever...and this is one way for us to see that.
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My only big mountain experience was in the Alps in the 70s. I was struck by how often one heard the helicopters, and how often people get killed. According to Wiki 100 people a year die on Mont Blanc alone. Occasionally these big dies occur, or some feud shows up like the classic Barber/Taylor feud. But people, people die all the time in the mountains, get over it. Double the altitude, it is going to be brutal.
If Rob had turned Doug back at 3:00 and accompanied him back to camp. Andy would have come back with him as well. He would have taken Beck with him as well. Mike groom has one less thing to worry about and are little bit faster. Rob could have gone back and assisted Bidlemann and groom. Except Scot everyone would be alive
Boukreev was awesome and i respect him for not holding clients hands
Krakauer's book has a lot of inconsistencies when compared with the timeline and the photographic evidence.
Fascinating, though I can't believe the bloke interviewing someone of the stature of Rheinhold Messner didn't even seem to know the names of Scott Fisher and Rob Hall! Bizarre. My (what I feel is a very important take) was that Krakeur was (in a sense re; marketing/advertising) a client. Boukreev was not. And that, is a very critical difference.
Everyone arguing is Jon should have out of his tent. Exhausted, wiped out Jon, who probably would have made it worse. Nobody is wondering why the 3 men on Rob’s team that turned around early didn’t get out of their tent? Nobody arguing on why NO Sherpas got out of their tent when Anatoli was looking for help? Just Jon? People are so silly.
John Meeks, it’s Anatoli, not Anitoli - fix the title.
The interviewer does not know the names of Fischer and Hall. Totally unprepared.
That didn’t Age well. Almost every important Point of Krakauers Book is clearly a lie.
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g I never even heard of someone with that name. I just read Bukreev, Weathers, Lou, Tacliffe, Gammalgaard. Al of them are identical in many little details- except for Krakauer who clearly is a liar.
The people to blame both died on that mountain! Greed and compassion has no place on that mountain! A lot of poor decisions were made by Scott Fisher and Rob Hall, they both disregarded the law and rules of climbing that mountain!
Messner came off as a complete snob himself here so I don't know wtf he's talking about.
Boukreev went out 3 times and saved 3 of the 5 stranded climbers. I find it interesting that those three climbers were were all from Scott Fischer’s Mountain Madness team.
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g no - not at all, sorry if that could be implied. Boukreev was the guide for Scott, so I wonder if he first chose those from Scott’s group to take back to the camp. I know that the story is that Beck and Namba were in the worst condition, so perhaps there was triaging going on. But I just found it interesting.
I think it's easy to Monday morning QB the tragedy of '96. No one is perfect. There were a lot of people on Everest that had no business being there. It seems like no one was following protocol. No one was turning back before 2PM. Then a storm hit. It was the perfect environment for things to turn to shit, and they did. Anatoli did more than most people would have done. If were him, I would not have done the same, I would have made it clear to everyone that if you don't turn back if you can't summit by 2PM, you're on your own. Being a guide does not mean that you need to risk your life for people that are too stupid to be on the mountain in the first place. Jon just wrote about his experience, what he saw...and lived through. All the outside criticism is just noise. You were not there.
Great conversation.
I saw this group in concert in San Jose, CA with my parents My father worked for Sa Jose Mercury and News
Great video of friends singing a great song!🙂👍
The liars there are in this world are unbelievable.
A night to remember, celebrate the great musicians 💕
The interviewer is talking to messner abt 1996 tragedy and doesn't remember Rob halls name....born genius Mr interviewer😂
Seems like anyone who ventures out to tackle a Mountain like Everest should be prepared to die and not expect anyone to risk their lives to save you???
the biggest mistake of all is u have reached summit well past the cut off time and u spend 45 minutes celebrating..... beidelman was after them to start moving...no one listened.... beidelman was himself on top of mountain for 1.5 hrs.... finally 3:30 he put his foot down..... Pitman is beyond imagination shameless.... people didn't hate her for what she did on mountain it's still acceptable...the real cause is how she behaved after coming to base camp
Interviewer did not know Rob Hall was the competitor to Scott Fisher ? Are you kidding ?
There wouldn't be so much of a 'controversy' if there weren't people like this interviewer trying to stir shit up. And Messner's right to disregard the testimony of Moro, who wasn't even there. Karakauer and Boukreev agreed on much of what actually happened; they just had different ideas about what a guide's role should be. And Messner's absolutely correct: First, Boukreev wrote the book to refute/ defend what Krakauer said in his book. Second, and more importantly, Fischer and Hall's competition to get to the top and disregard for safety had a much greater impact on the events of May 1996.
Sad they don't know Rob Halls name. I don't climb and I know it.
What is Peter Dinklage doing here. I never would have expected him to be a mountaineer enthusiast, but hey, that’s fantastic.
Is the song, “Take Me Home Country Roads”?🏔️💫🙏
10-4 10-4 what is happing ing the middle east right now 10-4 we stay home be in the home and to all grizzlys we stay in our loges and do our office work and more snow comes and its getting colder out side we stay warm and eat good buck shot fever people got we stay home with our us air national guard birthday cake equment and stay warm and wait and coffee can shoot we here now and we is !!
At first I became angry when Messner said Rob Halls name “doesn’t matter.” Then I gave it some thought and I understood…
“The only bird that could talk was the parrot; and he didn’t fly very well.” Enough said
твар и гнида етот недачеловак!!! крокауер
I have such incredible respect for Messener
Shameful take....
Everyone on the Fisher-Boukreev expedition lived. Nuff said.
Rob Hall is the other leader
THE PART where he said to the group of students around 4:40 : " *There are great breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers, places to go beyond belief* " Sounds just like the former Lockheed Martin Skunkworks director, Ben Rich, who stated around the same time that, " *We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do* " Something tells me they were talking about the same shit.
Also, in 2023 David Grusch whistle-blew and literally said that this was the case... so, It doesn't take phd to have basic analytical skills to see the writing on the walls, what's In Plain Signt lol 👽
Was that a finger … he gave at 3:35 ? 😂 This guy’s body has a lot to say.
« Most American admire you for your QUIET dignity ».
Singing along as I am sobbing. I saw John just weeks before he left us. This music though is healing.
Let's not forget that one may not have been physically strong enough to go out into the night and may have made things worse.
Rob hall is the name of the new zeelander
What a great video, could it really be 33 years ago. Denver had a clarity to his voice an effervescent quality I had never heard before or since. Viewing it now knowing what was ahead for John Denver it is heartbreaking as well.
My problem with Krakauer was his view that Boukreev had no business refusing to use supplementary oxygen whilst guiding.
Trouble is, all Everest guides before and since, agree with Krakauer. And the idea that the head guide simply leaves his clients on the top of Everest to make their own way down is ridiculous.
Boukreev was in the Scott Fischer's expedition, where nobody died, except Scott. The leader was the only one who died. The tragedy occurs with Rob Hall's expedition, with 4 deaths and 1 seriouly injured by frostbite. Mountain Madness and Broukreev's tatics worked well after all, exceot for Scott Fischer. But he had autonomy and made his own decisions. It was not Boukreev's fault.
the cancer of communism has degenerated society so much that 53 years after landing people on the moon, you send there a rocket worse than Saturn5 with a dummy in the color of a black man and a cunt. success no matter what
rak komunizmu tak zdegenerowal spoleczenstwo ze 53 lata po ladawaniu ludzi na ksiezycu wysylacie rakiete gorsza od saturna5 z manekinem w kolorze murzyna i pizda. sukces jak niewim co
I don't know how in the world I never saw this till now (mid-2023). Why is it only two songs? At the very least I'd have wished to hear solos from all of them. Joe Frazier's performance of "Moon of Alabama" is a masterpiece, as is Chad's "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out." I never liked the Trio as much after Chad left, as John's voice, although strong and appealing, didn't blend with Mike's and Joe's voices as well as Chad's had. I saw the original Trio once before Chad left, and saw Chad perform solo three times (went to one show twice) after that, all while I was in high school. It still surprises me that Chad didn't make it as a solo performer - he was outstanding.
Krakauer’s team lost its leader and clients. He helped no one and in fact had to be helped back down the mountain to the South Col. Boukreev saved the lives of several people. He was the only hero from this story. These modern day wanna-be climbers have no business being on 8000 meter peaks!
*Jon Krakauer* kzread.info/dash/bejne/aopk1Zh8larLpJs.html
I've read Ed Viesturs account of the situation and he essentially agrees with Messner's description of what happened and who they were. He's careful not to say anything too negative but you can tell that he is supportive of Krakauer's account, and rather than cast any negative light on Boukreev he simply says that some of his actions that day were heroic, and that he was an impressive climber. If you read between the lines on the different ways he describes them, you can conclude what his opinion was. He was very close to Rob Hall, Scott, and others who were there. In fact, some of them had attended his wedding.
Much respect for and awe of Ed Viesturs. I have read all of his books. Without a doubt Boukreev and Viesturs were the two strongest climbers on that mountain in the spring of 1996.
Beautiful!!! You are greatly missed John Denver, but your spirit lives forever...and this is one way for us to see that.