That's a long, but it's way too long. Short would be better.
@sergidiazmolina9 күн бұрын
hi! great video and plenty of usefull information. i have just a question regarding your experience... would you say that's easier with the full keel to bow docking or with stern docking following what you've just shown in this video? thanks in advance! :)
@travelbywater93789 күн бұрын
I would say it depends on the dock, wind and current. I don't own this boat any more, but when I did I would say I went in bow first %70 of the time, stern first the other %30.
@damkayaker10 күн бұрын
I don't like those grab ropes with holes drilled in the hull ... no no no.
@travelbywater937810 күн бұрын
On the bow and stern? Came from the manufacturer like that.
@damkayaker10 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 I know ... they are not needed. Why drill 4 holes in the hull for something not needed?
@DodgeMan36012 күн бұрын
Just found one of these on Kijiji for $600. Runs good. Works well on my 12’ Sportspal with the transom.
@travelbywater937811 күн бұрын
@DodgeMan360 that's a pretty good price.
@DodgeMan3609 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 Yeah I thought so! Older gentleman, sold his cottage on a lake along with the boat. That was his asking price so I didn't bother to barter any lower.
@jbouchard487714 күн бұрын
Definitely need more weight up front. We have the same set up with a 3.5 Tohatsu. Works great with my wife up front. Solo I put 140lbs of weights in the front. I used a 2by8 to mount my outboard.
@travelbywater937814 күн бұрын
@@jbouchard4877 since shooting this video I switched to a Square Stern Grumman Eagle with Torqeedo. Amazing set up.
@jbouchard487714 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 I like having the motor off to the side. This weekend was the first test. Nearly have 10 hours on the new motor. In the next season we will have the outriggers for stability and I will put the front seat back a bit and lower. My wife won’t be able to use it for paddling anymore. But now we just want to use the canoe with a motor anyways. It’s very fun and relaxing motoring around the many small lakes in northern Ontario.
@Flightfest90014 күн бұрын
would this work for a 5hp?
@travelbywater937814 күн бұрын
No, I think it would be too heavy.
@ligngood378719 күн бұрын
Beautiful day and cruise! Thanks for sharing!
@travelbywater937817 күн бұрын
Thanks :)
@11salerno23 күн бұрын
How fast?
@travelbywater937823 күн бұрын
Typically maxes out between 5 and 6 miles per hour.
@N7VAN...24 күн бұрын
Thanks for showing the route at the end.
@travelbywater937824 күн бұрын
Thanks, I forget abput half the time lol.
@N7VAN...24 күн бұрын
I appreciate your thorough vetting of the Torqeedo.I have been mulling getting one of these for my Sea Pearl 21.
@travelbywater937824 күн бұрын
I use the Torqeedo on my Bay Hen 21 as well, might be more similar to yoyr sea pearl. Works well on the Bay Hen too.
@N7VAN...25 күн бұрын
Justin, what model Torqeedo are you using?
@travelbywater937825 күн бұрын
It's a 2021Travel 1103
@ligngood378726 күн бұрын
Wow, this is wonderful! I am SO grateful for all your Bay hen videos, they are amazing!! I have been wanting a small trailer sailer but dreading the rigging when launching. I also LOVE the classic nostalgia of cat boats. Question: I assume that you leave the sail laced when you are going out often and only take it all the way off for the winter? So there's no lacing of the sail normally? The Bay Hen I am looking at just seems to have a cover bungee'd over the sail to protect it from the sun.
@travelbywater937825 күн бұрын
Yes, correct. I trailer the boat with the sail laced on and only remove it for winter storage. They are amazing trailer sailors, I haven't seen anything in the size range that was even close to as easy to rig and launch.
@ligngood378725 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 I saw a Bay Hen where a guy cut PVC pipe into rings and attached one to each eyelet of the sail to slide on the mast for raising and lowering instead of lacing. Any reason that wouldn't work?
@travelbywater937825 күн бұрын
@@ligngood3787 i saw that too. On FB maybe. Sounds smart to me. Lacing is a bit of a pain.
@james213727 күн бұрын
Hello. I’m modifying my grumman canoe. Any tips?
@travelbywater937827 күн бұрын
Nothing specific except that Grummans are about the best boats out there for doing cool mods on. They are strong enough that you can get away with a lot without having to worry about damaging them and Grumman made tons of factory mods including sail rigs, rowing rigs, outboard brackets. Some are still available on market place or Ebay and were built to last.
@james213726 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 do you need the stabilizer’s or can you get away with leaning?
@CapeBretonTrailerSailor27 күн бұрын
How much throttle is that? 1/4? 1/2?
@travelbywater937827 күн бұрын
About %30 throttle.
@CapeBretonTrailerSailor27 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 impressive
@travelbywater937827 күн бұрын
If you are eondering about your Siren 17, it would work great. %25 throttle will run you at 3 mph for hours.
@CapeBretonTrailerSailor26 күн бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 I’ve considered it. I really like the units and the performance seems great. But if I went that route I’d want to do solar. And, and, and… lol I am planning on doing solar on the siren this season or next. Maybe I’ll look into then. Doesn’t help either I just bought a new outboard last season. Cheers
@justinspring3422Ай бұрын
thanks - very helpful!
@PrimitiveTimАй бұрын
That's freaking sick!
@Franklin-pc3xdАй бұрын
Those whacky Canookians are always up to some funny shenanigans.
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
We have a reputatiin to uphold :)
@Franklin-pc3xdАй бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 We've got to stick together with our northern brothers and sisters and protect each other from tyranny.
@DowneastThunderCreationsАй бұрын
👍👍👍
@Dutch_GonnekeАй бұрын
Really nice video. Reminds me of my sailing days many years ago... Would like to see how you organized it inside. (Thinking seriously about living a tiny boat lifestyle in a couple of years. But still a lot to learn - without any technical skills whatsover 😅). Fair winds and following seas to you sir!
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Maybe I can do a video on the interior some time :)
@Ger1gerАй бұрын
Looks as if it was a really COOL journey. Your dog didn't seem to complain too much, though.
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
The pup is an Olde English Sheep Dog/Poodle cross, so the cold and wet don't bother him at all. I had planned to spend more time on islands where he could run around.
@BigFiveJackАй бұрын
THANK YOU FOR DEMONSTRATING YOUR METHOD !
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
No problem :)
@billcaperton3375Ай бұрын
are the steering blocks just simply tied to the thwart? Im working on rigging up a 70's grumman with sail kit.
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
Yes, the hooks go over the flat parts of the centre thwart.
@livingsimplytosimplylive6817Ай бұрын
Nice with the kayaking. I have yet to take mine out. I go out on Lake Erie, and some of the tributaries of the lake.
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
I sold my sea kayak about 4 years ago. Stick to creeks and rivers now.
@ligngood3787Ай бұрын
Awesome video! Thinking of getting one of these for ICW in Florida East Coast. How long does it take to launch from trailer and what do you lose by not having a jib/genoa?
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
It is pretty fast to launch and rig. 15 or 20 minutes if there are no tangles. The boat sails pretty well for no jib. The mainbis huge, the boat has a lot of power.
@derrickshueyАй бұрын
a washer with the pins would prevent that. form your pins with a torch to have a hump/bump and they wont pull out
@ziasadrudinАй бұрын
What did you use as a mast step?
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
I epoxied in a block of wood with a hole saw cut through the middle.
@vilhelm2802Ай бұрын
What year model ist it!!????????
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
I don't remember. Sold the boat about 5 or 6 years ago.
@mikeodonovan7325Ай бұрын
excellent
@Peter-ve6kz2 ай бұрын
Steer with the bow to aim your stern. Got it!
@travelbywater93782 ай бұрын
Exactly :)
@huntsail37272 ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
@UndoneEV2 ай бұрын
This video has made me much more confident leaving the dock in my 37!ft Rafiki. Prevailing winds usually blow the bow opposite to what is needed to head out of my fairway. Bout 50% of the time I'm backing out but now it looks like I know what I'm doing!
@travelbywater93782 ай бұрын
Awesome. Rafikis are a lot like this boat.
@toddramonochoa30862 ай бұрын
Thank you for your reply to my message about the reefing and boat speed in the your other video. Amazing that you set out for a two week adventure in the Bay Hen with family of 3 and pup. I limit myself to 3 days! In this one, at 5:32, how are you managing your anchor rode in the bow during the trip? Seems like your bedding would get wet as you used the anchor throughout the day. Thanks!
@travelbywater93782 ай бұрын
The anchor is tricky. I manage the anchor from the bow hatch but the anchor and rode are stowed in my starboard cockpit locker in a bucket. So the anchor is never inside the cabin.
@MihailSvetlov22 ай бұрын
Видел их на "Алиекспресс". Стоят, как "взрослые", грузоподъёмность, как у бутылки из-под пива. Спасибо, что попробовали, но можно посчитать грузоподъёмность на бумажке, не рискуя замочить штаны. :- )
@toddramonochoa30862 ай бұрын
In the first part of this video you're reefed down all the way. What is your recollection of the wind speed that day? Being a Peep Hen sailor, I'm impressed with your speed and control of the boat.
@travelbywater93782 ай бұрын
Yes, Bay Hens are surprisingly fast boats. The long waterline and big sail plan really makes them scoot. They are lighter for their length than a peep too. I don't remember the wind speed but I was sailing with a baby on board, so I was probably over reefed for the conditions. I generally am with the kids on board.
@sharonbraselton31352 ай бұрын
Want this sail boat
@travelbywater93782 ай бұрын
Thanks, I really like it. Easiest to find in Quebec.
@sharonbraselton31352 ай бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 parry wife some ware loose biy fdobt kniw ware
@sharonbraselton31352 ай бұрын
@travelbywater9378 this. Cute sail boat draft. Up. 8 inch down draft 3 feet 8. Inches
@toddsimo85913 ай бұрын
Nice... I have a 20ft Buccaneer with torqeedo 1103CL, works just fine. Found that 400watt is about max efficient for my 10ft inflatable dinghy raft and about 600.watts for my sailboat. Maybe a .1-.4 knot diff at 1200watts (full throttle) but drains batt pretty quick. Not worth it. Can extend batt time by a lot with lower watt useage going roughly the same speed.
@travelbywater93783 ай бұрын
Exactly. It doesn't need full throttle :)
@JessicaTravelsNY3 ай бұрын
We camp on the US side Alex bay.
@travelbywater93783 ай бұрын
Beauty. Nice area.
@dananorth8953 ай бұрын
I sailed these a couple years at camp in the 70's, they had 8-9 grumman and added sail rigs to 4-5 of them. Total blast! I'm looking at another grumman for fun/touring and have been thinking about the old sail setups. Wouldn't be hard to rig one up, but I might keep my eyes open for one. You definately lucked out as they can be hard to find...right place , right time and know what your looking for!
@travelbywater93783 ай бұрын
I got super lucky on the sail rig. Complete for $150.
@westonwilcox4907Ай бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 that is so cheap. I'm in Canada and people seem to want 500-1000 even for worn out and damaged hulls, not adapted for sailing... I'm converting an old fiberglass canoe for sailing right now! luckily got it cheap from my neighbor.
@travelbywater9378Ай бұрын
@@westonwilcox4907 yes, this was in Canada. I bought the rig in Wakefeild Quebec. Thevideo is shot on Lake St Lawrence, Ontario.
@user-fu9vj9ix3g3 ай бұрын
Lotta fun. Grumman made several sail kits for their canoes. I used to use grumman canoes as platforms for my trimarans. Great camping rigs. Had a couple of those gunter sails - one older like yousr, the other one of the later all white ones made of dacron. The latter I modified for better performance by adding reefing points and a reefing halyard. Doing that makes it a true sliding gunter. Adding lazy jacks also helped manipulate the sail when droping or raising it. Good that you sail it loose footed. The long foot of the gunter really benefits from not being a sock type. Mine was, but i folded it closed and sewed it to get a better edge performance when loose footed. Made a big difference. I added a 20sq ft jib to get way better upwind speed, as well. Later I switched to a balanced lug sail l. I've since sold all my canoes and outrigger kits, but i still have the lugger. I might just try to kit out my 14' aluminum skiff.....
@travelbywater93783 ай бұрын
Canoe trimaran sounds fun!
@user-fu9vj9ix3g3 ай бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 It was comfortable to be able to sit facing forward, not having to hike all the time. like driving a car. i rigged up a norwegian tiller by fastening a telescoping painters pole to the starb'd tiller ear. Push /Pull works well in narrow boat. The pole extended 13 ft so I could keep hold of the tiller if I needed to get to the mast - which happened a lot. Walking around while under way is a great luxury because there was no chance of a capsize. One downside: when a sailboat does not heel, the mast takes more load. At most, it heeled 3% and never ever got close to submerging the leeward ama. So, I installed lookouts on each side of the mast partner for shrouds to reinforce the mast- which I never added as I sold the whole rig before getting to it. Back back, shoulders, etc. I really miss doing all that. It was a great way to get into shore side camp spots with a lot of gear for a lux camp. I took it out tothe San Juans a few times and beach hopped the Cascadia Water Trail. Left many a sea kayaker in my wake. cheers
@travelbywater93783 ай бұрын
San Juans as in Pacific Ocean? Very cool.
@user-fu9vj9ix3g3 ай бұрын
@@travelbywater9378 Technically, no, not out in the Pacific. The San Juans are located inside an inlet of the Pacific that also encompasses Puget Sound, ther Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Canadian San Juans, the American San Juans, with the north shjore being Vancouver Island, B.C. and the south shore being Washington State. So, it's open sea water, but the Pacific is about 100 miles west, out the Straights. The area is interesting boating because of all the small islets and currents. Lots of orca can be seen, as well as dolphins. gray whales also. So I guess most people would consider it the Pacific, but without the big swells.
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Long shaft or short?
That's a long, but it's way too long. Short would be better.
hi! great video and plenty of usefull information. i have just a question regarding your experience... would you say that's easier with the full keel to bow docking or with stern docking following what you've just shown in this video? thanks in advance! :)
I would say it depends on the dock, wind and current. I don't own this boat any more, but when I did I would say I went in bow first %70 of the time, stern first the other %30.
I don't like those grab ropes with holes drilled in the hull ... no no no.
On the bow and stern? Came from the manufacturer like that.
@@travelbywater9378 I know ... they are not needed. Why drill 4 holes in the hull for something not needed?
Just found one of these on Kijiji for $600. Runs good. Works well on my 12’ Sportspal with the transom.
@DodgeMan360 that's a pretty good price.
@@travelbywater9378 Yeah I thought so! Older gentleman, sold his cottage on a lake along with the boat. That was his asking price so I didn't bother to barter any lower.
Definitely need more weight up front. We have the same set up with a 3.5 Tohatsu. Works great with my wife up front. Solo I put 140lbs of weights in the front. I used a 2by8 to mount my outboard.
@@jbouchard4877 since shooting this video I switched to a Square Stern Grumman Eagle with Torqeedo. Amazing set up.
@@travelbywater9378 I like having the motor off to the side. This weekend was the first test. Nearly have 10 hours on the new motor. In the next season we will have the outriggers for stability and I will put the front seat back a bit and lower. My wife won’t be able to use it for paddling anymore. But now we just want to use the canoe with a motor anyways. It’s very fun and relaxing motoring around the many small lakes in northern Ontario.
would this work for a 5hp?
No, I think it would be too heavy.
Beautiful day and cruise! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks :)
How fast?
Typically maxes out between 5 and 6 miles per hour.
Thanks for showing the route at the end.
Thanks, I forget abput half the time lol.
I appreciate your thorough vetting of the Torqeedo.I have been mulling getting one of these for my Sea Pearl 21.
I use the Torqeedo on my Bay Hen 21 as well, might be more similar to yoyr sea pearl. Works well on the Bay Hen too.
Justin, what model Torqeedo are you using?
It's a 2021Travel 1103
Wow, this is wonderful! I am SO grateful for all your Bay hen videos, they are amazing!! I have been wanting a small trailer sailer but dreading the rigging when launching. I also LOVE the classic nostalgia of cat boats. Question: I assume that you leave the sail laced when you are going out often and only take it all the way off for the winter? So there's no lacing of the sail normally? The Bay Hen I am looking at just seems to have a cover bungee'd over the sail to protect it from the sun.
Yes, correct. I trailer the boat with the sail laced on and only remove it for winter storage. They are amazing trailer sailors, I haven't seen anything in the size range that was even close to as easy to rig and launch.
@@travelbywater9378 I saw a Bay Hen where a guy cut PVC pipe into rings and attached one to each eyelet of the sail to slide on the mast for raising and lowering instead of lacing. Any reason that wouldn't work?
@@ligngood3787 i saw that too. On FB maybe. Sounds smart to me. Lacing is a bit of a pain.
Hello. I’m modifying my grumman canoe. Any tips?
Nothing specific except that Grummans are about the best boats out there for doing cool mods on. They are strong enough that you can get away with a lot without having to worry about damaging them and Grumman made tons of factory mods including sail rigs, rowing rigs, outboard brackets. Some are still available on market place or Ebay and were built to last.
@@travelbywater9378 do you need the stabilizer’s or can you get away with leaning?
How much throttle is that? 1/4? 1/2?
About %30 throttle.
@@travelbywater9378 impressive
If you are eondering about your Siren 17, it would work great. %25 throttle will run you at 3 mph for hours.
@@travelbywater9378 I’ve considered it. I really like the units and the performance seems great. But if I went that route I’d want to do solar. And, and, and… lol I am planning on doing solar on the siren this season or next. Maybe I’ll look into then. Doesn’t help either I just bought a new outboard last season. Cheers
thanks - very helpful!
That's freaking sick!
Those whacky Canookians are always up to some funny shenanigans.
We have a reputatiin to uphold :)
@@travelbywater9378 We've got to stick together with our northern brothers and sisters and protect each other from tyranny.
👍👍👍
Really nice video. Reminds me of my sailing days many years ago... Would like to see how you organized it inside. (Thinking seriously about living a tiny boat lifestyle in a couple of years. But still a lot to learn - without any technical skills whatsover 😅). Fair winds and following seas to you sir!
Thanks for the feedback! Maybe I can do a video on the interior some time :)
Looks as if it was a really COOL journey. Your dog didn't seem to complain too much, though.
The pup is an Olde English Sheep Dog/Poodle cross, so the cold and wet don't bother him at all. I had planned to spend more time on islands where he could run around.
THANK YOU FOR DEMONSTRATING YOUR METHOD !
No problem :)
are the steering blocks just simply tied to the thwart? Im working on rigging up a 70's grumman with sail kit.
Yes, the hooks go over the flat parts of the centre thwart.
Nice with the kayaking. I have yet to take mine out. I go out on Lake Erie, and some of the tributaries of the lake.
I sold my sea kayak about 4 years ago. Stick to creeks and rivers now.
Awesome video! Thinking of getting one of these for ICW in Florida East Coast. How long does it take to launch from trailer and what do you lose by not having a jib/genoa?
It is pretty fast to launch and rig. 15 or 20 minutes if there are no tangles. The boat sails pretty well for no jib. The mainbis huge, the boat has a lot of power.
a washer with the pins would prevent that. form your pins with a torch to have a hump/bump and they wont pull out
What did you use as a mast step?
I epoxied in a block of wood with a hole saw cut through the middle.
What year model ist it!!????????
I don't remember. Sold the boat about 5 or 6 years ago.
excellent
Steer with the bow to aim your stern. Got it!
Exactly :)
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
This video has made me much more confident leaving the dock in my 37!ft Rafiki. Prevailing winds usually blow the bow opposite to what is needed to head out of my fairway. Bout 50% of the time I'm backing out but now it looks like I know what I'm doing!
Awesome. Rafikis are a lot like this boat.
Thank you for your reply to my message about the reefing and boat speed in the your other video. Amazing that you set out for a two week adventure in the Bay Hen with family of 3 and pup. I limit myself to 3 days! In this one, at 5:32, how are you managing your anchor rode in the bow during the trip? Seems like your bedding would get wet as you used the anchor throughout the day. Thanks!
The anchor is tricky. I manage the anchor from the bow hatch but the anchor and rode are stowed in my starboard cockpit locker in a bucket. So the anchor is never inside the cabin.
Видел их на "Алиекспресс". Стоят, как "взрослые", грузоподъёмность, как у бутылки из-под пива. Спасибо, что попробовали, но можно посчитать грузоподъёмность на бумажке, не рискуя замочить штаны. :- )
In the first part of this video you're reefed down all the way. What is your recollection of the wind speed that day? Being a Peep Hen sailor, I'm impressed with your speed and control of the boat.
Yes, Bay Hens are surprisingly fast boats. The long waterline and big sail plan really makes them scoot. They are lighter for their length than a peep too. I don't remember the wind speed but I was sailing with a baby on board, so I was probably over reefed for the conditions. I generally am with the kids on board.
Want this sail boat
Thanks, I really like it. Easiest to find in Quebec.
@@travelbywater9378 parry wife some ware loose biy fdobt kniw ware
@travelbywater9378 this. Cute sail boat draft. Up. 8 inch down draft 3 feet 8. Inches
Nice... I have a 20ft Buccaneer with torqeedo 1103CL, works just fine. Found that 400watt is about max efficient for my 10ft inflatable dinghy raft and about 600.watts for my sailboat. Maybe a .1-.4 knot diff at 1200watts (full throttle) but drains batt pretty quick. Not worth it. Can extend batt time by a lot with lower watt useage going roughly the same speed.
Exactly. It doesn't need full throttle :)
We camp on the US side Alex bay.
Beauty. Nice area.
I sailed these a couple years at camp in the 70's, they had 8-9 grumman and added sail rigs to 4-5 of them. Total blast! I'm looking at another grumman for fun/touring and have been thinking about the old sail setups. Wouldn't be hard to rig one up, but I might keep my eyes open for one. You definately lucked out as they can be hard to find...right place , right time and know what your looking for!
I got super lucky on the sail rig. Complete for $150.
@@travelbywater9378 that is so cheap. I'm in Canada and people seem to want 500-1000 even for worn out and damaged hulls, not adapted for sailing... I'm converting an old fiberglass canoe for sailing right now! luckily got it cheap from my neighbor.
@@westonwilcox4907 yes, this was in Canada. I bought the rig in Wakefeild Quebec. Thevideo is shot on Lake St Lawrence, Ontario.
Lotta fun. Grumman made several sail kits for their canoes. I used to use grumman canoes as platforms for my trimarans. Great camping rigs. Had a couple of those gunter sails - one older like yousr, the other one of the later all white ones made of dacron. The latter I modified for better performance by adding reefing points and a reefing halyard. Doing that makes it a true sliding gunter. Adding lazy jacks also helped manipulate the sail when droping or raising it. Good that you sail it loose footed. The long foot of the gunter really benefits from not being a sock type. Mine was, but i folded it closed and sewed it to get a better edge performance when loose footed. Made a big difference. I added a 20sq ft jib to get way better upwind speed, as well. Later I switched to a balanced lug sail l. I've since sold all my canoes and outrigger kits, but i still have the lugger. I might just try to kit out my 14' aluminum skiff.....
Canoe trimaran sounds fun!
@@travelbywater9378 It was comfortable to be able to sit facing forward, not having to hike all the time. like driving a car. i rigged up a norwegian tiller by fastening a telescoping painters pole to the starb'd tiller ear. Push /Pull works well in narrow boat. The pole extended 13 ft so I could keep hold of the tiller if I needed to get to the mast - which happened a lot. Walking around while under way is a great luxury because there was no chance of a capsize. One downside: when a sailboat does not heel, the mast takes more load. At most, it heeled 3% and never ever got close to submerging the leeward ama. So, I installed lookouts on each side of the mast partner for shrouds to reinforce the mast- which I never added as I sold the whole rig before getting to it. Back back, shoulders, etc. I really miss doing all that. It was a great way to get into shore side camp spots with a lot of gear for a lux camp. I took it out tothe San Juans a few times and beach hopped the Cascadia Water Trail. Left many a sea kayaker in my wake. cheers
San Juans as in Pacific Ocean? Very cool.
@@travelbywater9378 Technically, no, not out in the Pacific. The San Juans are located inside an inlet of the Pacific that also encompasses Puget Sound, ther Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Canadian San Juans, the American San Juans, with the north shjore being Vancouver Island, B.C. and the south shore being Washington State. So, it's open sea water, but the Pacific is about 100 miles west, out the Straights. The area is interesting boating because of all the small islets and currents. Lots of orca can be seen, as well as dolphins. gray whales also. So I guess most people would consider it the Pacific, but without the big swells.